33 thoughts on “Tuesday’s Papers

  1. SOQ

    For those who will think that the border should be closed, it might be worth having a look at this.

    http://donegal.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f5863a09f5b445cba1897841a6f9f57b

    It is an all-Ireland dashboard reporting daily on all cases across the island. Cavan, Monaghan and Louth are 609, 373 and 627 per 100k respectively. Unless there is some difference in the way in which NI cases are reported, the border regions on the north side are much lower- so if anything, it should be NI arguing for closure.

    One thing which is pretty certain is that the shambles of Cavan Hospital had nothing to do with its proximity to the border. Given that 3-4 weeks ago there were nurses on Facebook appealing to local business for PPE, you didn’t need to be a clairvoyant to predict what was going to happen- disgraceful.

      1. SOQ

        Ok there appears to be an error with that map. The points are returning a different value to the underlying polygons.

        Total infected on the points is only 2506 which explains why circles appear smaller than similar in ROI.

  2. GiggidyGoo

    The Boo Harris and his band of merry men now are going to put in place compulsory isolation for visitors. Well well well. They finally realize what us plebs have known, and told them, all along.

    Not much talk of a flattened curve these days either. Or the notional peak supposedly passed on 6th April or so. Peak blind?

    Funny how there are so many gardai available at the moment too. Too many fast food restaurants, and donut premises closed I suppose. Plenty of garda cars too.

        1. ReproBertie

          You know, that people have been told to self isolate for 14 days on their arrival to the country and that the gardaí leased a load of extra vehicles at the start of the pandemic.

          The only new thing is that the gardaí will be checking up on people to make sure they are doing so.

          1. SOQ

            When were they told to self isolate?

            There is videos flying around on twitter from only a few days ago of people being asked what advice they had be given when they arrived and everyone of them said none.

          2. GiggidyGoo

            There’s a difference in being ‘advised’ to self isolate and being forced to.
            Keep believing the fairy tales though. I think there’s one named Simple Simon.

          3. ReproBertie

            A lad from Ballymun was in court on Friday for refusing to self isolate but tell me again how this is only being enforced now.

          4. SOQ

            @sidhe Its on YouTube too but sure don’t let camera recorded evidence get in the way of a good narrative eh?

          5. sidhe

            Another excellent source of, again, anecdotal evidence. Will you be offering Wikipedia next? At this rate I’d consider that an improvement.

          6. sidhe

            And which narrative is this? Where there are people dying the world over because of a virus? As opposed to your narrative of speculation and 5G conspiracy theories?

          7. SOQ

            My 5G “conspiracy theories” are based on science whoever you are this week- 4G causes cancer and male sterility- FACT.

            Is this bitchy nonsense really necessary?

  3. Charlie

    Good morning everyone! It’s good to be alive on this beautiful day. Morning Giggidy, how’s the whinger management goin’?

    1. GiggidyGoo

      Morning B9. Your expert insights into what’s going on in the world are always well worth waiting for. Any reason why you’re changing your name so often?

  4. :-Joe

    Top o’ de mornin’ lads and lassies…

    Has Ireland made a better job of responding to coronavirus than the UK? | ITV News
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWSnVRi-zB0

    Apparently…!?(Meaning I’ve no clue obviously)…
    – Just by implementing and closing schools one week earlier than britain and nor’n iron.. and specifically having a policy of testing and tracing everyone with reported or confirmed severe symptoms instead of only testing as they arrived in hospitals meant a difference of as much as 80% in hospital deaths.

    Nor’n iron has had approx. 147 deaths per milllion and our banana republic has had 82. As sad and tragic as they all may be.

    If we had locked down earlier, would it have made a huge difference?.. Would it have mattered, regardless of how badly the tory establishment for the elite wealthiest tiny minority has handled it in britain?.. -Nottomention their obvious historical and inherent nature of classist, racist and xenophobic contempt for the poor and unfortunate and the public good as a whole.

    Well who knows for sure?.. If a week means a difference of up to 80% all I can tell is that every second counts from the start and in my opinion, we should have taken it way more seriously around the time of travel to and from Cheltenham and the expected arrival of Italian rugby fans.

    I will always be almost anti F-f/g because we need real bi-partisan change to the way the world works for everyone and they represent the old way that has run it’s course. I have to be honest, I’ve seen no real leadership, initiative or any kind of creativity from the F-f/g establishment duopoly outside of bare necessity as advised by health experts but what do I know?

    Others I’m sure will see it differently, particularly the captured, biased and partisan 50% of voters and their most fervent supporters.

    :-J

    1. Siobhan O'Toole

      A better job of responding ?
      Boris Johnson chaired his first COBR emergency planning meeting on March 2nd.
      Guess what also happened on that same day ? Leo Varadkar announced he was setting up a special cabinet committee to deal with the ” evolving ” C-19 situation with the Chief Medical Officer Dr Tony Holohan also saying he was confident that only a “small numbers of sporadic cases” would occur.
      The UK also introduced its stay-at-home orders four days before Ireland.
      People have very short memories.
      Ireland has the seventh-highest number of C-19 deaths per capita in the world ahead of even the United States.
      Our record in this pandemic is nothing to be proud of and doesn’t bear comparison with other countries.
      New Zealand and Australia anyone ?
      Then there’s India.

    1. ReproBertie

      How many times must that myth be debunked?
      “While comparative analysis of genomic data has shown evidence that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus, the notion that the SARS-CoV-2 virus was invented has continued to receive mileage on social media platforms.”
      /https://www.asianscientist.com/2020/04/academia/nobel-laureate-tasuku-honjo-kyoto-university-coronavirus-man-made-claim/

        1. ReproBertie

          Not when the weight of scientific opinion backs mine. There have been several studies of the genome and none of them have said it was manmade.

          “All evidence so far points to the fact the COVID-19 virus is naturally derived and not man-made,” explains immunologist Nigel McMillan from the Menzies Health Institute Queensland.
          “If you were going to design it in a lab the sequence changes make no sense as all previous evidence would tell you it would make the virus worse. No system exists in the lab to make some of the changes found.”

          https://www.msn.com/en-xl/finance/tech-and-science/scientists-are-tired-of-explaining-why-the-covid-19-virus-was-not-made-in-a-lab/ar-BB12YutF

        2. SOQ

          It is not debunked because there is no way of debunking it, especially as the scientist are divided.

          The Chinese Communist Party wants everyone to believe that a new virus which was never seen before emerged from bats in a market. Except bats do not reside anywhere near Wuhan and coincidentally, China’s only level four lab was within a stone’s throw of the place where documented research into bat viruses was taking place. Really?

          This is an administration which detains then force harvests organs from Falun Gong practitioners for its own party members- I would not trust one word they say.

          https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/17/china-is-harvesting-organs-from-detainees-uk-tribunal-concludes

      1. f_lawless

        I was wrong to say the story was from yesterday as Prof. Montagnier made his claim over a week ago. I don’t discount the possibility that he’s incorrect at all. But let me ask, in the article you linked to, does it seem like honest journalism to you, to dismissively frame the argument as “the notion that the SARS-CoV-2 virus was invented has continued to receive mileage on social media platforms” and not at least mention that the Nobel-winning professor who discovered HIV had also made the claim?

        1. ReproBertie

          You should contact the editor of the article and ask them why they didn’t list all the people making the repeatedly rejected claim.

          But let me ask, in the article you linked to, does it seem like honest journalism to you, to fail to mention any of the many studies from respected scientists which show the virus to be natural?

          1. f_lawless

            Well, the article I linked to does say that, in making his claim, he’s challenging ” the prevailing views of the scientific establishment”, whereas the article you linked to implies that only unqualified experts on social media have made the claim

          2. ReproBertie

            Implies depends on interpretation. Your article implies, for example, that because he helped discover HIV he must be right about this virus. That’s a logical fallacy.

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