Interesting to see the German outlet, Das Bild (Europe’s biggest selling newspaper) letting a number of German public intellectuals air an alternative point of view on the lockdown. The title of the article is “Lockdown war ein Riesen-Fehler“ (“The Lockdown was a Huge Mistake”).
Hard to imagine the likes of the Irish Times doing something similar – how many would be even willing to speak out? Any “Emperor’s New Clothes” moment seems like a distant dream ;)
dav
shure isn’t all made up and just a bad cold…
MaryLou's ArmaLite
That is not what they say. Their view is the lockdown went too far and the cure did more damage than the disease.
Nobody was to know this back in February/March, but with the Imperial College London’s modelling software being of such poor quality and the approach taken by Sweden resulting in similar outcome to ourselves, there is an argument to be made, and nobody in the Irish Media is making it.
One thing to note is that Lee’s article claims that Sweden does not count deaths in nursing homes in its statistics for coronavirus deaths, but various sources online say or imply that it does.
Sweden are including care home deaths in the stats. They have said half of all deaths were in care homes and 90% of deaths are over the age of 70.
george
They have a higher death rate than us and a death rate much higher than their neighbors.
guns and drums and drums and guns harooo
and more people in ICU but yea tin hat and scamdemic anyone
goldenbrown
well, some lads have always been willing to push the envelope when it comes to the philosophical questions around life and death (and airing of same)…given the majority have at least a moral compass installed and are capable of sound critical thought I myself have enough foolish confidence to tolerate that tour of the darker side. it’s healthy. the trick is to recognise if it’s being weaponised in some way e.g.
our thinking around economics and capitalism is being really tested right now and it will be interesting to see where it all ends up. my own belief is that there is only one realistic outcome – we will simply end up doing whatever the banks tell us to do
Gabby
@f_lawless- Can you imagine the Irish Times inviting a former contributor, John Waters, to write a dissenting piece along those lines? or the Sunday Independent welcoming a piece from its former investigative contributor, dear Gemma?
I have doubts about Das Bild. It has carried some useful exposes now and again, but its cultural demeanor is like so many tabloids.
guns and drums and drums and guns harooo
sssh don’t upset the contrarian
george
Sure David Quinn writes for the Irish Times and he’s moaning away about it predictably enough.
george
The Independent just posted an “end the lock out” opinion piece today.
Know Man Is An Island
BoJo waiting for his instructions from Bill Gates.
Nigel
HE’S COMING FOR YOU WITH HIS HUMANITY-ENSLAVING VACCINE RUN!
MIGA
kittens
Rosette of Sirius
Bild AND eutimes in one day…. lucky us. Must. Control. Urge. To. Goose. Step.
Rob_G
Oh look, bodger has a new pseudonym.
Bodger
Rob_G, I only comment under Bodger.
Know Man Is An Island
Triggered Concannon bot S-1000.
Rob_G
It was just a joke, Bodge :)
Bodger
Ah sorry, forgive me Rob_G, thought you were serious.
Rob_G
:) no bother
guns and drums and drums and guns harooo
Know Man’s pseudonym is a touching tribute to the great commenters of yesteryear
THANK YOU FOR THE MUSIC BENNY AND BJORN!
guns and drums and drums and guns harooo
sssh don’t upset the contrarian
PS if only that were true!
HUGZ “Know Man”
GiggidyGoo
Himself, ‘Germany’ and the Wellcome Foundation.
Fintan Frobisher
So Scotland, Wales, NI and Ireland are Staying Home.
Just like most World Cup finals then …
Rosette of Sirius
You forgot to end that with a stirring rendition of “two world wars and one world cup…. doo dah….”
Rosette of Sirius
You forgot to end that with a stirring rendition of “two world wars and one world cup…. doo dah….”
Imagine allowing yourself to get wound up at the idea of other people enjoying themselves…
george
Of course it was going to be cancelled. There are a lot of people who worked on it who have lost out due to the cancellation of this and every other festival. Small businesses who service events will close and people will be unemployed. You seem happy though, why?
Lilly
Please, no compulsory face masks!
Andrew
Don’t worry Lily. Ireland wll pretend and extend, as it always does.We’re different aparently.
SB
Re the Telegraph, why does it have to be “BRITISH common sense”? Why not just “common sense”? Why do they have to always be so jingoistic?
Interesting to see the German outlet, Das Bild (Europe’s biggest selling newspaper) letting a number of German public intellectuals air an alternative point of view on the lockdown. The title of the article is “Lockdown war ein Riesen-Fehler“ (“The Lockdown was a Huge Mistake”).
https://www.politicopathy.com/2020/05/11/germanys-das-bild-says-lockdown-was-a-huge-mistake/
Hard to imagine the likes of the Irish Times doing something similar – how many would be even willing to speak out? Any “Emperor’s New Clothes” moment seems like a distant dream ;)
shure isn’t all made up and just a bad cold…
That is not what they say. Their view is the lockdown went too far and the cure did more damage than the disease.
Nobody was to know this back in February/March, but with the Imperial College London’s modelling software being of such poor quality and the approach taken by Sweden resulting in similar outcome to ourselves, there is an argument to be made, and nobody in the Irish Media is making it.
On Sweden’s outcomes vs Ireland’s, this is interesting: https://www.rte.ie/amp/1137763/
This is worth listening from 38 mins on. Jonathan Sumption..
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000j1yr
One thing to note is that Lee’s article claims that Sweden does not count deaths in nursing homes in its statistics for coronavirus deaths, but various sources online say or imply that it does.
The figures he gives for Sweden’s ICU usage seen accurate, though: https://www.icuregswe.org/en/data–results/covid-19-in-swedish-intensive-care/
Sweden are including care home deaths in the stats. They have said half of all deaths were in care homes and 90% of deaths are over the age of 70.
They have a higher death rate than us and a death rate much higher than their neighbors.
and more people in ICU but yea tin hat and scamdemic anyone
well, some lads have always been willing to push the envelope when it comes to the philosophical questions around life and death (and airing of same)…given the majority have at least a moral compass installed and are capable of sound critical thought I myself have enough foolish confidence to tolerate that tour of the darker side. it’s healthy. the trick is to recognise if it’s being weaponised in some way e.g.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktion_T4#/media/File:EuthanasiePropaganda.jpg
our thinking around economics and capitalism is being really tested right now and it will be interesting to see where it all ends up. my own belief is that there is only one realistic outcome – we will simply end up doing whatever the banks tell us to do
@f_lawless- Can you imagine the Irish Times inviting a former contributor, John Waters, to write a dissenting piece along those lines? or the Sunday Independent welcoming a piece from its former investigative contributor, dear Gemma?
I have doubts about Das Bild. It has carried some useful exposes now and again, but its cultural demeanor is like so many tabloids.
sssh don’t upset the contrarian
Sure David Quinn writes for the Irish Times and he’s moaning away about it predictably enough.
The Independent just posted an “end the lock out” opinion piece today.
BoJo waiting for his instructions from Bill Gates.
HE’S COMING FOR YOU WITH HIS HUMANITY-ENSLAVING VACCINE RUN!
kittens
Bild AND eutimes in one day…. lucky us. Must. Control. Urge. To. Goose. Step.
Oh look, bodger has a new pseudonym.
Rob_G, I only comment under Bodger.
Triggered Concannon bot S-1000.
It was just a joke, Bodge :)
Ah sorry, forgive me Rob_G, thought you were serious.
:) no bother
Know Man’s pseudonym is a touching tribute to the great commenters of yesteryear
THANK YOU FOR THE MUSIC BENNY AND BJORN!
sssh don’t upset the contrarian
PS if only that were true!
HUGZ “Know Man”
Himself, ‘Germany’ and the Wellcome Foundation.
So Scotland, Wales, NI and Ireland are Staying Home.
Just like most World Cup finals then …
You forgot to end that with a stirring rendition of “two world wars and one world cup…. doo dah….”
You forgot to end that with a stirring rendition of “two world wars and one world cup…. doo dah….”
Every cloud has a silver lining.
https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCWalesNews/status/1259769984018001920
Even better:
Electric Picnic now disconnected.
https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/music/electric-picnic-2020-falls-victim-to-coronavirus-pandemic-1.4250596
Imagine allowing yourself to get wound up at the idea of other people enjoying themselves…
Of course it was going to be cancelled. There are a lot of people who worked on it who have lost out due to the cancellation of this and every other festival. Small businesses who service events will close and people will be unemployed. You seem happy though, why?
Please, no compulsory face masks!
Don’t worry Lily. Ireland wll pretend and extend, as it always does.We’re different aparently.
Re the Telegraph, why does it have to be “BRITISH common sense”? Why not just “common sense”? Why do they have to always be so jingoistic?
They’re just getting a dig in
like if the Brits had any common sense at all
they wouldn’t have elected Bojarred in the first place
Are you not familiar with the Torygraph?
I try not to be