132 thoughts on “Saturday’s Papers

  1. Formerly known as @ireland.com

    I used to wonder how the Germans could support a leader who was obviously so dangerous, back in the 1930’s. I look at people supporting Trump and Bozo and I can see how it happened. Boris has found a virus cliff to send the country over before he sends them off the Brexit cliff.

      1. Formerly known as @ireland.com

        True. Boris only got 43.6% of the UK vote and Clinton had more votes than Trump. Democracy is imperfect.

  2. Fintan Frobisher

    As I predicted at the beginning of the week the whole Cummings brouhaha was a confected storm in a teacup that would blow over in a day or two.
    Fact is Boris is a winner.
    Won the London Mayoralty twice, won the referendum, won the Tory leadership, won a new Brexit deal, won the general election and won the Battle of Dominic Cummings.
    People like leaders who show their mettle in the white heat of battle.
    Ireland meanwhile struggles to find anyone of calibre to lead a ragtag government of back-scratching career politicians,picnicking peacocks and cloth-capped culchies.
    You’re being sold very short.

      1. Ringsend Incinerator

        Brilliant isn’t it? 37,000 dead – more than the London Blitz, IRA bombing in the UK, ISIS, Falklands, Iraq 1+2 together. Still! We’ll meet again and all that.

        1. Lush

          Belgium still tops the league of per capita deaths, and Ireland is ahead of the USA. No-one can really point fingers.

    1. Formerly known as @ireland.com

      Lazy trolling. Boris is being found out.

      This in an Eton report to his father:
      “Boris really has adopted a disgracefully cavalier attitude to his classical studies . . . Boris sometimes seems affronted when criticised for what amounts to a gross failure of responsibility (and surprised at the same time that he was not appointed Captain of the School for next half): I think he honestly believes that it is churlish of us not to regard him as an exception, one who should be free of the network of obligation which binds everyone else.

      The highest toll in Europe and a crazy Brexit coming. This is Jonestown level stuff.

      1. Fintan Frobisher

        There’s something delightfully droll about an Irish poster who normally complains about the toffs running Blighty using a 50-year-old Eton school report to make a point about Boris.
        The lack of self-awareness makes it a joy to read.

    2. ReproBertie

      “But no mere advisor should ever be thought indispensable and any prime minister so wholly dependent on a single advisor, no matter how brilliant he or she may be, is a weak one. If Boris Johnson cannot function without Cummings he is not qualified to be prime minister. The price of defending Cummings is admitting Johnson’s inadequacy.”

      So says that bitter Leftie, Remoaner publication the Spectator.

      1. Fintan Frobisher

        Poor deluded Bertie O’Begorrah.
        Started the week predicting this story would run and run.
        Ending it by making an abject fool of himself.
        The piece you quote is by Alex Massey, a long-term opponent of Brexit.
        The Commissioning Editor of the Spectator who asked him to write it is Mary Wakefield.
        Guess who Mary Wakefield is married to ?
        But if you like the Speccie so much have a gander at this.

        https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/what-the-fury-about-dominic-cummings-s-road-trip-is-really-about

        Heh,heh,heh

        1. ReproBertie

          “Started the week predicting this story would run and run.”

          More lies from Spoofer. How pathetic that you have to invent things just to feel good about yourself.

          I know who Wakefield is married to. Sure wast it her own article on their lockdown that exposed Cummings’ statement as lies, lies that Britain’s tea boy Taoiseach had to defend because he knows that Cummings would never let him sack him.

        2. Formerly known as @ireland.com

          Brendan O’Neill is an idiot. I endure him on the Eamonn Dunphy podcast, just to see if he has any insights. No, just the usual “elites” rubbish every time. It is always someone being against the Brits. He reckons he supports a united Ireland, not sure his Brexit cult would agree with that.

          1. ReproBertie

            O’Neill and Dunphy are both big fans of Sasamach but, unlike most of that cult, they’re not afraid to point out the obvious flaws and lack of leadership coming from Britain’s teaboy Taoiseach and how his weakness in almost every area is making the whole project much more difficult than it should be. It makes a nice change from the usual gormless bleating of “bitter remoaners” and “will of the people” that normally greets any criticism, no matter how well researched or stated.

          2. Fintan Frobisher

            Making the whole project more difficult ?
            His big election win cleared the logjam and his insistence that they will not ask for an extension of talks and telling France to shove off with their fishing demands has virtually ensured No Deal Brexit.
            Seems clear enough to me.
            The decision by Nissan to close their Barcelona plant and concentrate exclusively on their world-class facility with great technology and a fantastic, hugely productive workforce in Sunderland underscores that British industry will cope with WTO terms.
            You wait till Renault, part-owned by the French government, starts shifting production there too – Macron’s face will be a delight.
            Fact is the EU is in disarray with countries now given a green light to bail out their own industries and airlines in trouble, much to Michael O’Leary’s displeasure.
            And Ireland is going to have to dig deep into its pockets when the new EU budget starts in January 2021 thanks to Blighty removing its cheque book.
            Oh yes sirree, things are becoming much clearer.

          3. bisted

            …call it what you like but brexit was the will of the people…and at the second time of asking it delivered an unassailable majority at Westminster…I believe that brexit will lead to a break-up of the UK sooner rather than later…I foresee a Hong Kong type of arrangement for the north…I thought it would be fudged but well done Boris…

          4. scottser

            But seonin, you live here. You won’t reap the benefits of your beloved brexit in galway. The tax you pay here will go to fund macron’s sock collection at the behest of our gombeen government. Whatever will you do when you have to apply for a visa to come over here, or do you secretly own an Irish passport?

    3. Otis Blue

      Leadership? You’re havin’ a larf.

      Johnson is a mendacious, workshy, lying spoofer.

    4. GiggidyGoo

      Cummings predicted coronavirus way back in 2019. As he pronounced “only last year I wrote explicitly about the danger of coronaviruses”. He was referring to a post in his blog dated in March 19.
      Except – that prediction was actually inserted (backdated basically) into the original Match 2019 blog on 14 April 2020. It was amended the day after Cummings return from Durham.
      Interesting read. https://www.bbc.com/news/business-52808059

      Bean savages have no shame.

    5. Ringsend Incinerator

      Off you go Finty.

      Yesterday the UK recorded more COVID deaths than:

      Spain
      Italy
      Germany
      France
      Turkey
      Belgium
      Portugal
      Ireland
      Poland
      Romania
      Hungary

      Not more deaths than each….the UK recorded more deaths than all of those countries combined.

      Gwan Boris, ease the lockdown!

      1. Fintan Frobisher

        I’m surprised Ireland’s appalling record of Covid-19 deaths in care homes,the second worst in the world,doesn’t appear to trouble you.
        Well,perhaps not that surprised.

  3. SOQ

    We can sit here and pontificate and debate as to what is the right way to handle this virus but one is for sure- it’s not the way Brazil is doing it. Half a million infections and just under 28 000 deaths which is probably an underestimation as testing is limited.

    The herd immunity approach may work in the longer term- but at what price?

      1. SOQ

        As you well know I never said that Cain, I said the fatality rate may be the same. But- it does go against the theory that flu is also a factor as I doubt if Brazil would have such this time of the year- then again their cycle may be different.

        The peculiar question that no one so far can answer is why is it so much more severe in some places than others. Density? Air pollution? Corona infected flu vaccines? No one seems to know.

  4. GiggidyGoo

    So the awe-inspiring word from the meeting of the three parties that can’t form a government is that they agree on Civil Servants being able to work from home 20% of the time.
    Eamon Ryan did a lap of honour declaring an hour a week off to water the window boxes for those who wish to avail of it.

    Michéal Martin called it an ex-tra-or-din-ar-y moment which would form a basis for Brexit negotiations.

    Leo Varadkar was also upbeat, offering Civil Servants the use of Farmleigh if they so wished, at €50 per night.

      1. GiggidyGoo

        Awe inspiring alright. the three parties each of which vehemently poo poo-ed (or should that be boo-boo-ed) each other and whose election campaigns stood on not going into government with the other, but having quickly torn that up, are STILL, after 4 months, piddling around, and the important issues are things like Civil Servants working from home a day a week.

        The self same parties who were lambasting the Northern Assembly (Assembly mind, not Government) – in fact, not the Assembly itself, but SF – for not going into power, are here now fluttering around with both FF and FG looking eagerly for reasons NOT to go into government but try give the impression that they are.

        Forgive them lord, they know not what they do (to quote an historic figure who wept)

        1. MaryLou's ArmaLite

          FF FG and the Greens may be forgiven for their sins, SF/IRA never will.

          Remember a vote for SF/IRA is a vote for murder.

          1. Johnny

            535,595 V 484,320
            – its FF your with right,well kinda as your not really ‘with’ them, the party has no room anymore for fat old hatred filled cowards, is that why you hid in closet so long,filled with self loathing and hatred,I suppose eating so much brings some comfort…

          2. Johnny

            ..c’mon ‘Mary’ set yourself free do you good, let me think who’s on here regularly writes(haha) and hates SF,his pieces on here recently, well for a long time have been awful,simply drivel,the fact free musings of obese hatred filled has been…

            ..where did it all go wrong huh-reduced to a cowardly hatred filled troll,fat,broke,alone and miserable, karma’s a bi….

      1. Johnny

        You mean Lock Doh-June 8th is phase one opening, but Black Lives Matter organized a big protest outside Barclay center, cops came in heavy,protesters scattered and then regrouped at Fort Green Park few minutes run from BAM-torched some cop vehicles, riot squad…quite the evening :)

        They needed a few paddies/ dubs like at the Brit embassy in Dublin-lots WHITE kids dressed for a RIOT and streaming it with commentary-im not a LOOTER just a RIOTER yeah white boy:)

        When they lit and burnt the American flag against the backdrop of a NYPD vehicle on fire the NYPD came in hard..its all in the tweets / feed which I sent ‘sheet exclusively :)

        Lock Doh
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l1rdqmWxGU

        1. Johnny

          -kicked off quiet-cops outside Barclays center used pepper spray – came in hard break up at that point a loud and angry but peaceful crowd.

          https://twitter.com/DennisDeadbeat/status/1266529235453333509?s=20

          -the crowd (organized ?) took the metal barriers – crowd control- then used them to block of the side streets, basically piled them on top each other on the ground-but no vehicles could get through -it created a alley or canyon as the park is elevated at that stretch..

          -so streets blocked,cop vehicles trapped in a ‘just created alley’ or ambush point-then they lit them up and finished it with a burning American flag and cop cars in flames-this was early:)

          https://twitter.com/DennisDeadbeat/status/1266551694382505996?s=20

          1. SOQ

            Thanks.

            Mad to think that after the viral hammering NYC got that all of a sudden- one guy being killed gets such an explosive reaction.

          2. Clampers Outside

            Do you enjoy this rioting mayhem Johnny or what..

            What’s the smiley for… >_<

          3. Johnny

            -it was quite well done, the blocking of the streets if it was organic was executed very well, they blocked the park entrances too and took the high ground

            -the NYPD had then abandon their vehicles and retreat calling for reinforcements

            -between the time it took for the riot squad to get suited and booted the vehicles and US flags were ablaze

            -a image I won’t forget a NYPD truck in flames and a masked protestor holding a US Flag aflame against the Manhattan skyline

            -I ‘enjoyed’ it the sense I was not accused resisting arrest….

    1. Kate

      Remember 21 year old Adrian Moynihan asphyxiated by 4 bouncers in Cork , in
      2001? A thug of a security guard compressed his neck causing his death and there was no further action by inept DPP. The lad had bruises to neck, arms , legs and chest from these bouncer thugs.
      R.I.P. & I expect this death in USA has raked up dreadful memories for your loving family.

      1. Johnny

        It’s already kicked off again this morning and it’s not even 11 am – sorry hear about that murder,the idiot in charge here is now calling for a MAGA protest outside White House this eve-echos of ‘68 post assignation MLK.

        It’s going be a long hot violent summer in city…

      2. Fintan Frobisher

        Of course the autoposy found the unfortunate Mr Floyd died from police restraint combined with heart disease and potential intoxicants in his system and not asphyxiation or strangulation by officer. The ME found no injuries or bruising to the body.
        This is clearly an unfortunate death but it’s important the facts are truthfully established.

          1. Fintan Frobisher

            A contributory factor no doubt but the fact the cop has only been charged with 3rd degree murder suggests prosecutors know they have a battle on their hands to put him away.
            Anyway, I’m a great believer in allowing juries to find guilt not some conspiracy theory tin foil head on the internet.

          2. Nigel

            That a policeman can kneel on a man’s neck for nine minutes, killing him, with clear video evdence of the entire incident, and it takes mass protests and violence in cities across the US to have him held accountable is kinda the problem, actually.

          3. SOQ

            Nigel- do you honestly think that that cop would not have been prosecuted?

            The only thing this looting and burning will do is give Trump an excuse to declare Antifa a proscribed terrorist organisation. And then- a lot of young people’s lives, both black and white, are going to be ruined by having criminal records and placed on watch lists.

          4. Nigel

            Yes, I do honestly think that. Thousands of young lives are already beig ruined through heavy-handed racist policing and a prison-industrial complex. Trump is going to Trump, no matter what happens. Dissent will be delegitimaised. He’d declare the Democrats a terrorist organisation if he could.

        1. Ringsend Incinerator

          Finty, you missed the one about him dying from underlying causes. Lying under a fuppin cop on his neck.

  5. Ringsend Incinerator

    Er, hasn’t Brucie shuffled out of his generation’s game? Poor taste from Daily Star.

  6. Fintan Frobisher

    Watched the mob trying to trash the CNN Center in Atlanta last night and two things became obvious.
    The crowd was overwhelmingly white.The usual Antifa and anarchist crowd.Trying to see a black face in the crowd was like playing Spot the Ball.
    CNN tip-toed around the issue with reporters and anchors simply lying and saying it was a mixed crowd with pockets of white protestors when the evidence was before our eyes.
    And you could see the genuine confusion on the faces of the hacks.Why are these liberals attacking us when we do so much to slant our reporting in favour of them and against Orange Man Bad ?
    It was a joy to behold.Like the night of Trump’s election victory which started when he was given a 1% chance of becoming POTUS and ended with the hacks in tears.
    Almost as funny as the Channel Four News live audience on the night of Boris’s triumph.
    This sucker never gets old.
    https://twitter.com/archrose90/status/1206252575898689536?lang=en

    1. Nigel

      More likely to be police in plain clothes and random TheDonald edgelords emerged from their mother’s basements to start the race war than antifa or anarchists, don’t you think?

      1. Fintan Frobisher

        Yeah, hundreds of them.
        Poor Nigel.
        You can feel his pain when the facts don’t match his prejudices.
        Trump has spoken directly with the Lloyd family, promised them a full federal investigation and expressed his disapproval at what happened.
        Rent-a-mob deserve a good slap with a night-stick to be reminded about the rule of law.
        Speaking of rioting,

        https://twitter.com/HisHolyLord/status/1265906440985890816

        1. Nigel

          How many do you need to undermine peaceful protests? Still more likely to be really there than antifa.

          Nothng like years and years of extra-judicial killings to teach people respect for law and order. Having an obvious crook in the White House doesn’t exactly help, let alone what dribbles out of his twitters.

          1. Clampers Outside

            You’re really sticking with that one, eh…. more likely plain clothes police than Antifa….

            Ooooh.. kay…

          2. Nigel

            Absolutely. I’m not claiming they were one or the other, mind, that’s the job of Salmonella above, just assessing the probabilities.

          3. Clampers Outside

            And your own probability assessment tells you they are police plants?

            I say again….

            Ooooh, kay.

          4. Nigel

            No, it tells me there are MORE LIKELY to be police plants and white nationalists amongst them starting trouble than antifa.

          5. SOQ

            Did it ever occur to you two northern Irish Protestants (black ‘n white) that it was in the interests of both the state and the NGO’s to escalate this situation?

          6. Nigel

            I’m sure the case could be made on an abstract level, though I don’t think it’s ever been demonstrated that peceful protests turning violent in the US ever truly benefit anyone but the increasingly miitarised police and the increasingly insular, hermetically sealed, radicalised right, so I’m still going with the police plants and white nationalists as being the more likely.

          7. Really?

            So Ilhan Omar’s daughter retweeting a request to bring hockey sticks to the protest in Minneapolis must make her a white nationalist.

            Riiight….

            This conspiracy theory is entertaining at least.

          8. Tsk

            Reminder: Joe “You Aint’ Black” Biden…

            His staff are donating to bail out “protestors”.

            Who, according to Nigel here, are all White Nationalists.

            “Good from them”, writes Nigel.

            (Someone is having trouble keeping between the lines on his propaganda script!)

      2. Fintan Frobisher

        Anyway the sun is shining and although it’s a bit early I might start with an early sharpener.
        Bombay Sapphire today I think.

          1. bisted

            …have to hand it to you tans, you make good gin…pity about the picture of the old ‘famine queen’ on the bottle label…

        1. Nigel

          Good example of right-wing agitprop, thanks. This guy tried to turn getting splashed by a milkshake into an attempted homicide once.

      3. Clampers Outside

        WTF… “more likely to be the police in plain clothes”

        Hahahahahaha…. Lay off the kool-aid Nigel

        1. Nigel

          Are you really unfamiliar with police organisations using agents provocateurs in plain clothes to disrupt peaceful protests? That’s a thing that actually happens, as opposed to George Soros shipping in antifa rentamobs.

          1. Nigel

            Also, far more likely to have been white nationalists hoping to inflame their cherished race war, than antifa.

          2. Fintan Frobisher

            Boom.
            George Soros makes his first appearance in Nigel’s rogue gallery of conspiracy theory baddies.
            You just know he’s going to mention the Jews fairly soon.
            Popcorn time.

        2. Dangerfield

          Max Blumenthal comes across a cop dressed as a protester who claims to be CNN in D.C. But Agents Provocateurs could never be used by state or federal agencies…ooooookay ooookaaaay – am I getting the patronising tone right, Clampers?

        3. scottser

          Clamps, are you familiar with the shell to sea protests? The kickbacks and sweeteners to gardai to undermine and harass protesters, gardai in plain clothes kicking off at peaceful demonstrations? It’s well documented here and the UK.

  7. Johnny

    Last time was ‘92 LA Rodney King – Brooklyn hoods are rite now preparing for another night of protests.

    “DELRAY BEACH, Fla. (AP) — As unrest spread across dozens of American cities on Friday, the Pentagon took the rare step of ordering the Army to put several active-duty U.S. military police units on the ready to deploy to Minneapolis, where the police killing of George Floyd sparked the widespread protests.

    Soldiers from Fort Bragg in North Carolina and Fort Drum in New York have been ordered to be ready to deploy within four hours if called, according to three people with direct knowledge of the orders. Soldiers in Fort Carson, in Colorado, and Fort Riley in Kansas have been told to be ready within 24 hours. The people did not want their names used because they were not authorized to discuss the preparations.“ AP

    If they send in the US Army to try “police” BedStuy / East NY man this place is going erupt …

    1. Nigel

      Fair enough but I’d rather they prevented riots by making sure the police don’t engage in extrajudicial murders and heavy-handed violent crackdowns on peaceful protests to protect fellow policeman who commit extrajudicial murders.

        1. Nigel

          That makes it worse – he knelt on the neck of someone he may have known, for nine minutes, until he was dead?

          1. Nigel

            I am morally against the kneeling on the neck of fecking anybody for nine minutes until they’re dead, but I don’t think it would take national protests to bring a a black man who knelt on the neck of a cop until he was dead to justice, or whatever moral equivalence it is you are trying to draw.

          2. Clampers Outside

            Do you really think it was the protests that resulted in the cop being brought to justice?

            I’d say it was the evidence.
            .
            .
            Also…

            The time line according to cnbc:

            Mr Floyd died after 8pm Monday.

            4 cops fired by early noon Tuesday.

            1 cop charged with murder Friday morning.

            “Even as late as yesterday [Thursday] afternoon, we didn’t have all [evidence] that we needed.” 

            https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/29/former-officer-involved-in-death-of-george-floyd-has-been-arrested.html

            “This is by far the fastest we’ve ever charged a police officer,” said Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman. 

          3. Nigel

            Evidence is immaterial. This is the police. Prosecutions are rare, convictions even rarer. You think this anger came out of nowhere?

          4. Tsk

            (The old TDS fallback eh?)

            So if you’re blaming Trump for Minneapolis then you must also blame Obama for Ferguson. Make sense, right?

            Is Obama a White Nationalist too?

          5. Nigel

            Haven’t you heard? Trump isn”t responsible for anything. The US is in an ‘Obama shadow presidency.’ Its all Obama’s fault! It’s habbening!

          6. Tsk

            You’re all over the map with this one aren’t you. The facts have you frazzled.

            Cup of tea and a biscuit for you.

            Then a long, long, long lie down.

            And keep away from the internet. It’s doing you no favors.

  8. SOQ

    Burnt after half an hour out today- can’t use screen as I pronto rash from the chemicals.

    1. Fintan Frobisher

      8.25pm and the dying embers of the sun cast a faint glow on my bronzed
      features.
      I hoist another cold one and fire up the final stogie.
      What a fabulous day.

    2. ReproBertie

      Have you tried Eucerin? My little one used to get a shocking rash from sun cream and someone recommended Eucerin to us. No issues since we started using it.

      1. SOQ

        Thanks Bertie but I am inclined much more towards a shaded month in the south of France look than a spread eagled park Leo thing.

  9. Papi

    Trump just said it’s fake, and your man Cummings was in there the whole time.
    Pew pew pew!

      1. :-Joe

        Ye, very modern, almost futuristic or almost even fake looking…

        It’s crazy how advanced the technlogy and automation makes it look like simple and straight forward procedures compared to just a few decades ago.

        It’s looking more and more like your typical plane flight on earth…

        Space tourism on the horizon…

        :-J – https://www.privacytools.io

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