Just wondering what the implications of Antifa being designated a US terrorist organisation will be? Social media will come under pressure to close their accounts, likewise financial transactions from PayPal. And then there is the international element- will other countries follow suit?
Of course in the run up to an election, clamping down on the militant left looks great for Trump- the longer this anarchy continues, the better the optics are for him. Some of the violence in the videos circulating on twitter is shocking.
Johnny
“More important, even if antifa were a real organization, the laws that permit the federal government to deem entities terrorists and impose sanctions on them are limited to foreign groups. There is no domestic terrorism law, despite periodic proposals to create one.”
“There is no authority under law to do that — and if such a statute were passed, it would face serious First Amendment challenges,” said Mary B. McCord, a former head of the Justice Department’s National Security Division. “But right now, the only terrorist authority is for foreign terrorist organizations.”
Always interesting to hear the profa point of view.
Enn
Fascism. Here. There it is. We’ve been here before, historically. It went on and on and it led to the slaughter of millions. But we still beat you in the end.
Janet, I ate my avatar
Seamus Heaney ‘s last words
SOQ
Thanks Johnny- that raises questions as how to target such an organisation but will this move ban open support of antifa? Will it become an offence to wear or sell the merchandise for example?
And then there are other areas like travel- could they prevent supporters entering the country? What about people who are employed in public positions like teachers and lecturers?
My point being that even if what that N Y Times article is saying is correct- which it probably is- there could still be serious implications to this law.
Johnny
Th law referred to is/was designed for non domestic organizations,with structure,leadership say like the UVF.
It just doest not apply to loose knit domestic groups.
Nigel
In what sort of world does continuing unrest in the middle of a pandemic and a recession, where the only action is the questionable crackdown of a vague group of hotheads, unconnected to the cause of the unrest and probably only responsible for a tiny portion of it, make Trump look good? His leadership is non-existent, his calls for violence and crackdowns are shocking, his refusal to take responsibility an act of cowardice. He’s desperately trying to look strong, failing miserably. The worst of his base want him to massacre protesters and instigate a new civil war and when that doesn’t happen (I mean, hopefully) even they might get sick of the big fool.
Clampers Outside
Your darling thugs in Antifa are under fire Nigel.
“… probably only responsible for a tiny portion”… yeah right, sure it was the police that started the riots. Isn’t that your take… Jebus.
Nigel
Yeah a group of unorganised anarchists started riots and unrest all across the US. Jesus you welcome authoritarianism with open arms don’t you? There isn’t any evidence whatsoever that antifa was behind the riots, or played any significant part in the violence, but Trump tweets tt out and you lap it up.
Fintan Frobisher
Oh look, an undercover cop looting a cheesecake.
In memory of George Floyd.
The revolution will be televised indeed.
No Nigel, I think you are projecting. As you often support and welcome authoritarian social pressures when you support sjw nonsense. As is often said, these things start small and clearly your tendency is there.
Nigel
Authoritarian social pressure – having my own opinions about things and not finding yours as persuasive as you think.
Actual authoritarianism – a powerful politician creating a vague new category of terrorist that can include anyone he doesn’t like.
Nigel
I used to think the death of George Floyd was a horrifying example of police brutality but then someone stole a cheesecake
Fintan Frobisher
Meanwhile the bros keep on killing bros.
As I predicted last week just another ordinary weekend in Chicago saw 16 dead and 30 injured.
And the gang-bangers weren’t dealing cheesecakes.
…in fairness, the tans are still confused about leaves…especially if they are the wrong type…
Fintan Frobisher
Black Lives Matter.
Unless it’s another black doing the killing.
The world according to Citizen ” Undercover Cops Are All To Blame ” Nigel.
Heh,heh,heh.
Nigel
The assumption in your idiotic gotcha is that all black people are responsible for any crimes committed by any black person. There’s a word for that kind of assumption.
Clampers Outside
Isn’t tarring a whole group with an assumption your thing though.
Nigel
Only if you can’t understand the difference between ‘groups’ and ‘institutions with systemic issues.’
Johnny
NYP taking a knee outside Barclays-this was early…not great quality,needed an escape route, got as close as possible..
Ps-Dennis feed was picked up by local TV-i politely declined a credit for “DennisDeadbeat” even for me that’s a bridge too far:)
Gabby
Some Irish youth are a disgrace. I’m so angry at reports of rowdyism in Galway and blatant anti-distancing house parties in Cork. I’m seriously thinking of phoning Joe Duffy. Alternatively I could write a blistering letter to the Irish Examiner. There, that’ll teach ’em.
Ringsend Incinerator
Leave them kids alone. Lockdown, sod all to do. Online exams, remote learning. No socializing IRL. Best weather in ages.
We all partied as youths. After my exams finished we went mad and wiped several % points off Ireland’s GDP and caused the property market in Killiney to take a dive. Proud of it too. Hope I die before I get old.
Gabby
Don’t go near a fairy fort – the fairies may take you away. No booze where they play.
At least you could tell the difference between Mods n’ Rockers
Punks Hippies etc
Now they all look and sound the same
Hardly worth whinging about tbh
when it could be skin colour,
Or the biggest curse of them all, religion
That segregates bored young people
Ringsend Incinerator
True. The white runners. The ray-ban shades. The Zara clothes. The Canada Goose. The bra tops. The American accents. The tattoos. The hair. The flat whites.
Boring.
Ringsend Incinerator
Terry Prone. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh! Imagine being locked down with Tel.
…I’ve never bought the Examiner but I used to be a newspaper junkie and bought them by the armful…but putting La Keane in the strapline…does this really sell extra copies?
Janet, I ate my avatar
In other news it’s going to be the warmest day so far, there’s a pleasant breeze, the wood pigeons are hooting, so slap on a sunhat, throw something in the fridge to cool, and socially distance enjoy the hell out of a glorious June day in a relatively stable pleasant part of the world.
Clampers Outside
*looks out window, checks fridge*
I can concur!
Have a good one :)
Janet, I ate my avatar
thanks Clamps, you too, gonna be too nice to worry about the world today
Johnny
Superb piece LA Times by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.
“Yes, protests often are used as an excuse for some to take advantage, just as when fans celebrating a hometown sports team championship burn cars and destroy storefronts. I don’t want to see stores looted or even buildings burn. But African Americans have been living in a burning building for many years, choking on the smoke as the flames burn closer and closer. Racism in America is like dust in the air. It seems invisible — even if you’re choking on it — until you let the sun in. Then you see it’s everywhere.”
Incredible but very violent and disturbing journalism by NYT-video explainer/recreation of how George Floyd was murdered.Have a great Bank Holiday the protests in NY have been peaceful with the senior leadership of NYPD taking a knee in Brooklyn last night with the protestors.
The Tories maintain a double digit lead over Labour. https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1267414279147474944
Taxi for O’Bertie Begorrah.
Better make it a people carrier for all the other jokers on here who believed the Irish media on Cummings.
ReproBertie
You’re obsessed Spoofer. Try wearing a hat in the sun to stop you imagining me saying all the things you think I said.
Ringsend Incinerator
+39,045
goldenbrown
a little cartoon from the Toronto Star that says it all (safe to view)
-a rather amusing little DOB/Digicel story for the bank holiday-would write it up but have been out late last few nights peacefully protesting, well done Dublin and Ireland.
backstory on the Don-all from NWL link below.
-He’s a first cousin of Denis O’Brien, his mother Maureen was the sister of Denis O’Brien’s father, Denis Senior. Donald’s father, from whom his mother was divorced, was an American physician, Dr Niall MacAllister-
He’s now filled after filling a lawsuit (above)prior in California a complaint in Digicel’s BK case in NY,allegations that DOB has committed a crime in not reporting his INM legal woes in IRL,in his SEC filling-he may actually be onto something !
He’s alleging all filled in US court and available below or on twitter that Dennis has committed financial fraud and that he has evidence…also and way more importantly that he should have disclosed his INM legal issues in IRL to the SEC.
Now,Don has shall we say made some fairly out there allegations in past, but Judical Watch or any the MAGA crowd may use this over the Clintons,either way it’s looking very messy….
The revolution will be tweeted.
https://twitter.com/chadloder
https://twitter.com/tkerssen/status/1266921821653385225
The revolution will be tweeted.
https://twitter.com/chadloder
The revolution will be tweeted.
https://twitter.com/chadloder
Just wondering what the implications of Antifa being designated a US terrorist organisation will be? Social media will come under pressure to close their accounts, likewise financial transactions from PayPal. And then there is the international element- will other countries follow suit?
Of course in the run up to an election, clamping down on the militant left looks great for Trump- the longer this anarchy continues, the better the optics are for him. Some of the violence in the videos circulating on twitter is shocking.
“More important, even if antifa were a real organization, the laws that permit the federal government to deem entities terrorists and impose sanctions on them are limited to foreign groups. There is no domestic terrorism law, despite periodic proposals to create one.”
“There is no authority under law to do that — and if such a statute were passed, it would face serious First Amendment challenges,” said Mary B. McCord, a former head of the Justice Department’s National Security Division. “But right now, the only terrorist authority is for foreign terrorist organizations.”
The End.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/31/us/politics/trump-antifa-terrorist-group.html
I love kittens
Always interesting to hear the profa point of view.
Fascism. Here. There it is. We’ve been here before, historically. It went on and on and it led to the slaughter of millions. But we still beat you in the end.
Seamus Heaney ‘s last words
Thanks Johnny- that raises questions as how to target such an organisation but will this move ban open support of antifa? Will it become an offence to wear or sell the merchandise for example?
And then there are other areas like travel- could they prevent supporters entering the country? What about people who are employed in public positions like teachers and lecturers?
My point being that even if what that N Y Times article is saying is correct- which it probably is- there could still be serious implications to this law.
Th law referred to is/was designed for non domestic organizations,with structure,leadership say like the UVF.
It just doest not apply to loose knit domestic groups.
In what sort of world does continuing unrest in the middle of a pandemic and a recession, where the only action is the questionable crackdown of a vague group of hotheads, unconnected to the cause of the unrest and probably only responsible for a tiny portion of it, make Trump look good? His leadership is non-existent, his calls for violence and crackdowns are shocking, his refusal to take responsibility an act of cowardice. He’s desperately trying to look strong, failing miserably. The worst of his base want him to massacre protesters and instigate a new civil war and when that doesn’t happen (I mean, hopefully) even they might get sick of the big fool.
Your darling thugs in Antifa are under fire Nigel.
“… probably only responsible for a tiny portion”… yeah right, sure it was the police that started the riots. Isn’t that your take… Jebus.
Yeah a group of unorganised anarchists started riots and unrest all across the US. Jesus you welcome authoritarianism with open arms don’t you? There isn’t any evidence whatsoever that antifa was behind the riots, or played any significant part in the violence, but Trump tweets tt out and you lap it up.
Oh look, an undercover cop looting a cheesecake.
In memory of George Floyd.
The revolution will be televised indeed.
https://twitter.com/ladyhaja/status/1267110585428303877
No Nigel, I think you are projecting. As you often support and welcome authoritarian social pressures when you support sjw nonsense. As is often said, these things start small and clearly your tendency is there.
Authoritarian social pressure – having my own opinions about things and not finding yours as persuasive as you think.
Actual authoritarianism – a powerful politician creating a vague new category of terrorist that can include anyone he doesn’t like.
I used to think the death of George Floyd was a horrifying example of police brutality but then someone stole a cheesecake
Meanwhile the bros keep on killing bros.
As I predicted last week just another ordinary weekend in Chicago saw 16 dead and 30 injured.
And the gang-bangers weren’t dealing cheesecakes.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/16-dead-at-least-30-injured-in-second-straight-weekend-of-violence-in-chicago
Brave protesters eh ?
https://twitter.com/PatrolRpd/status/1267202275895803904
Still confused about the difference between civilians killed by civilians and civilians killed by cops, I see.
…in fairness, the tans are still confused about leaves…especially if they are the wrong type…
Black Lives Matter.
Unless it’s another black doing the killing.
The world according to Citizen ” Undercover Cops Are All To Blame ” Nigel.
Heh,heh,heh.
The assumption in your idiotic gotcha is that all black people are responsible for any crimes committed by any black person. There’s a word for that kind of assumption.
Isn’t tarring a whole group with an assumption your thing though.
Only if you can’t understand the difference between ‘groups’ and ‘institutions with systemic issues.’
NYP taking a knee outside Barclays-this was early…not great quality,needed an escape route, got as close as possible..
https://twitter.com/DennisDeadbeat/status/1267277021027106817?s=20
Ps-Dennis feed was picked up by local TV-i politely declined a credit for “DennisDeadbeat” even for me that’s a bridge too far:)
Some Irish youth are a disgrace. I’m so angry at reports of rowdyism in Galway and blatant anti-distancing house parties in Cork. I’m seriously thinking of phoning Joe Duffy. Alternatively I could write a blistering letter to the Irish Examiner. There, that’ll teach ’em.
Leave them kids alone. Lockdown, sod all to do. Online exams, remote learning. No socializing IRL. Best weather in ages.
We all partied as youths. After my exams finished we went mad and wiped several % points off Ireland’s GDP and caused the property market in Killiney to take a dive. Proud of it too. Hope I die before I get old.
Don’t go near a fairy fort – the fairies may take you away. No booze where they play.
Less time in The Sun for you.
At least you could tell the difference between Mods n’ Rockers
Punks Hippies etc
Now they all look and sound the same
Hardly worth whinging about tbh
when it could be skin colour,
Or the biggest curse of them all, religion
That segregates bored young people
True. The white runners. The ray-ban shades. The Zara clothes. The Canada Goose. The bra tops. The American accents. The tattoos. The hair. The flat whites.
Boring.
Terry Prone. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh! Imagine being locked down with Tel.
…I’ve never bought the Examiner but I used to be a newspaper junkie and bought them by the armful…but putting La Keane in the strapline…does this really sell extra copies?
In other news it’s going to be the warmest day so far, there’s a pleasant breeze, the wood pigeons are hooting, so slap on a sunhat, throw something in the fridge to cool, and socially distance enjoy the hell out of a glorious June day in a relatively stable pleasant part of the world.
*looks out window, checks fridge*
I can concur!
Have a good one :)
thanks Clamps, you too, gonna be too nice to worry about the world today
Superb piece LA Times by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.
“Yes, protests often are used as an excuse for some to take advantage, just as when fans celebrating a hometown sports team championship burn cars and destroy storefronts. I don’t want to see stores looted or even buildings burn. But African Americans have been living in a burning building for many years, choking on the smoke as the flames burn closer and closer. Racism in America is like dust in the air. It seems invisible — even if you’re choking on it — until you let the sun in. Then you see it’s everywhere.”
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-05-30/dont-understand-the-protests-what-youre-seeing-is-people-pushed-to-the-edge
Incredible but very violent and disturbing journalism by NYT-video explainer/recreation of how George Floyd was murdered.Have a great Bank Holiday the protests in NY have been peaceful with the senior leadership of NYPD taking a knee in Brooklyn last night with the protestors.
https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000007159353/george-floyd-arrest-death-video.html?playlistId=video/minneapolis-george-floyd-death-video
The protests in NY have not been peaceful, many stores in NY have been looted.
Who gives a flying. #blacklivesmatter
The Minister for Re-Classification strikes again. https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/eoghan-murphy-criticised-over-reclassification-of-homeless-people-1002750.html
Boy Yoghan decreases the homelessness figure just by re-classification. Par for the course for the failure.
The Tories maintain a double digit lead over Labour.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1267414279147474944
Taxi for O’Bertie Begorrah.
Better make it a people carrier for all the other jokers on here who believed the Irish media on Cummings.
You’re obsessed Spoofer. Try wearing a hat in the sun to stop you imagining me saying all the things you think I said.
+39,045
a little cartoon from the Toronto Star that says it all (safe to view)
https://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorial_cartoon/2020/06/01/michael-de-adder-video-evidence.html
#AmericaOrTrump
-a rather amusing little DOB/Digicel story for the bank holiday-would write it up but have been out late last few nights peacefully protesting, well done Dublin and Ireland.
backstory on the Don-all from NWL link below.
-He’s a first cousin of Denis O’Brien, his mother Maureen was the sister of Denis O’Brien’s father, Denis Senior. Donald’s father, from whom his mother was divorced, was an American physician, Dr Niall MacAllister-
He’s now filled after filling a lawsuit (above)prior in California a complaint in Digicel’s BK case in NY,allegations that DOB has committed a crime in not reporting his INM legal woes in IRL,in his SEC filling-he may actually be onto something !
He’s alleging all filled in US court and available below or on twitter that Dennis has committed financial fraud and that he has evidence…also and way more importantly that he should have disclosed his INM legal issues in IRL to the SEC.
Now,Don has shall we say made some fairly out there allegations in past, but Judical Watch or any the MAGA crowd may use this over the Clintons,either way it’s looking very messy….
https://namawinelake.wordpress.com/2013/04/02/denis-obrien-suing-for-defamation-in-california/
here..its the first doc if IP issues with US courts a rather bad photo is on the feed-link above.
https://dm.epiq11.com/case/dc2/dockets
Sixth mass extinction of wildlife accelerating, scientists warn
– 500 species on the brink of extinction, same as were lost over the entire last century
https://twitter.com/dpcarrington/status/1267536937197453312
“We’re eroding the capabilities of the planet to maintain human life and life in general.”
https://twitter.com/dzarrilli/status/1267554147752173569