77 thoughts on “Wednesday’s Papers

  1. V'ness

    ‘flagged somewhere here on Monday about requiring permission from the Carrigaline victim’s parents / guardian for that fundit

    This might get a lot trickier than just getting donors back their $$$$

  2. SOQ

    So- business already going to the wall, unemployment at near record highs, people unable to get medical scans or life saving treatments and a list of evictions from both rented and home owned to come- and what is the response of some?

    To pull down friggen statues of dead people- yes, that is going to help alright.

    1. MaryLou's ArmaLite

      and pretend Little Britain never happened. That show didn’t celebrate racists is satirised them.

      1. SOQ

        Actually it is- do you honestly think the reaction to that murder would have been the same if people had not been under house arrest for months beforehand?

        1. Cian

          Who knows?

          It could have been the same. It might have been smaller. It might even have been bigger – in the 90s when Rodney King was beaten and the police officers were later acquitted there were 6 days of riots and 63 deaths and €1billion damage done in LA.

          1. SOQ

            Yes and the fact that this was caught on camera is also a factor but- I think that people in Ireland were so willing to break the pandemic rules for something which had little to do with them, is a pretty good indication that there was a bit more at play.

          2. Cian

            I don’t know where you are getting that conclusion.

            If there was no COVID I think there would have been BLM demonstrations in Ireland. It was (not surprisingly) attended by a lot of black people – who (most likely) would have gone if there was no COVID. For all we know there was another cohort of people that would liked to have gone, but chose not to.

    2. Tommy

      And those who did this I bet buy cheap clothing etc made in sweat shops with workers exploited
      And use the same excuses as the people used in the days of slavery

      1. Nigel

        Old enough to remember when the same sort of people used to hit the streets to protest against the exploitation of poor people through gloablisation only to have the absolute mittens beaten out of them and get roundly mocked by self-satisfied types because they were wearing clothes and stuff. Oh yes, I remember, it was regarded as the hight of hypocrisy for a protest against globalism to be global. God almighty.

      2. SOQ

        Slavery is still happening- where are the protests about that?

        Slavery may seem like a relic of history. But according to the U.N.’s International Labor Organization (ILO), there are more than three times as many people in forced servitude today as were captured and sold during the 350-year span of the transatlantic slave trade.

        https://time.com/longform/african-slave-trade/

        1. Nigel

          Bringing up modern slavery only when people talk about historical slvery is the equivalent of saying All Lives Matter only when someone says Black Lives Matter.

          1. SOQ

            Oh ok so people enslaved right now are not important- my bad.

            Bringing up modern day slavery when people want to only talk about historical slavery is pointing out their hypocrisy.

            Tearing down statues changes absolutely nothing apart from making those who do it feel good about themselves.

          2. Janet, dreams of spidercrab

            SoQ can you assume people only want to talk about that, maybe it’s next, maybe people are dealing with the one that has affected them personally the most first ?
            If tearing down a statue heals a wound and allows people to move on to address deserving current issues together instead of divided what’s the harm ?

          3. Nigel

            Oh ok so working hard to assert hypocrisy in the actions of others is obviously more important than literally anything, my bad

          4. ReproBertie

            It’s as if all those protests calling on governments to take more action on the refugee crisis, which directly feeds the modern slave trade, happened behind closed doors.

          5. Nigel

            A lot of protests, campaigns, hard work, and organisations suddenly become invisible when convenient accusations of hypocrisy are called for.

          6. Ghost of Yep

            That doesn’t make any sense Bertie. The protests have mainly been about facilitating safer transport for more people. This would clearly lead to a bigger problem with the slave trade in N. Africa.

          7. ReproBertie

            Even if the protests were only about safer transport don’t you think safer transport options would mean people weren’t stuck relying on the slavers who promise transport and then hold them for ransom before selling them on or loading them on unsafe, overloaded boats?

          8. Ghost of Yep

            Not really no. Many are captured long before they make the coast. Fleet of ships waiting doesn’t mean the slavers will use them for fear of losing their “property”. Stabilty in Libya is the only thing i see solving that but who knows how that happens…sure the UN sent in some lads to monitor so it will be grand….

          9. f_lawless

            -edit- a reply to Nigel’s original comment – I didn’t see the thread that had developed before I posted…..anyway –

            Depends on who’s saying it and to whom it’s being directed. If the person saying “All Lives Matter” is coming from a position of privilege – for example when Hillary Clinton said it to a congregation at historic black church in Missouri – then it can rightly be criticised as dismissive of African American suffering endured through racial discrimination. But if say, a Native American said it, it would mean something different.

            It’s another thing to observe that there are those protesting under a “Black Lives Matter” banner, who themselves are far removed from the US experience or from direct racial discrimination. Nothing wrong with that in itself, but by failing to highlight the worst of the suffering by Africans currently happening in the world, then those people would leave themselves open to criticism that they’re being led by a whimsical mass media culture and by this time next month, say, may have moved on to something else.

          10. SOQ

            @ janet- yup fair point but it goes a little further than that.

            IMO the real reason it is not getting coverage is because it does not fit the current race narrative. It is an inconvenient truth that modern day slave owners are white black and also Arab.

          11. Janet, dreams of spidercrab

            This isn’t just about a few racist individuals or companies. It’s a racist, capitalist system, designed to put down strong communities and unity that comes from cultural togetherness, workplaces and activism. Who stands to benefit from the disunity of organised groups and the maintaining of supposed racial and class superiority? The benefactors of slavery do, including the benefactors of current slavery.

          12. Nigel

            Neither of those seem representative of how All Lives Matter is used as a negative response to BLM and the second one is weird since BLM is a US movement primarily in response to US police brutality.

  3. Al Jolson

    “… every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.” George Orwell, 1984

    1. millie von strumpet

      Oh noes. They’re changing the street names! They’re taking down statues! This has never ever been done before! We are truly living in a dystopia work of fiction.

      1. Janet, dreams of spidercrab

        it doesn’t matter we can do what my Mum does and still go to Kingscross station to get the train to Cork

        1. Cian

          M’eh! that’s just old people (and isn’t it Kingsbridge station?)

          I still call it Landstown Road and the Point Depot.

  4. Gabby

    Meanwhile, in other news, some regions in Ireland are getting spells of rain to relieve the drought of May. No need to import traditional rain dancers from America.

    1. f_lawless

      ‘America’ was the name adopted by the by the racist Europeans who stole the land and committed genocide on the indigenous people living there. Its use should be discontinued.

  5. jamesjoist

    When the devotees of political correctness get their teeth into this we may see much more iconoclasm . There may be demands for Mark Twain’s Huckleberry Finn to be removed form public libraries , or least , all instances of the word ‘n*gg*r’ be expunged from the text . Probably leading to a modern day ‘Bonfire Of The Vanities’ , their are quite a few works by Irish authors where the N word is used . We would have to set up a committee of literary scholars to discuss the context . Great arguments would ensue and I , for one , would be enthralled.

    1. ReproBertie

      Were you aware that modern prints of Enid Blyton’s books rename Fanny to Frannie and have removed all corporate punishment from Dame Slap’s school while renaming her to Dame Snap?

      Also, Agatha Christie never wrote a book titled “And then there were none”.

      1. Nigel

        And that Agatha Christie book has been And Then There Were None, and the rhyme in the story changed to Ten Little Indians for a while now and somehow the world kept turning,

        1. ReproBertie

          “Ten little soldiers” in the recent BBC adaptation.

          Presumably this has led directly to the current racial unrest.

          1. ReproBertie

            It was very good. On a slightly related note, I watched the Kenneth Branagh version of “Murder on the Orient Express” over the June weekend and found it very disappointing.

          2. Bertie Theodore Alphege Blenkinsop

            The scenery and sets were gorgeous but I found Branagh’s moustache a terrible distraction.

          3. ReproBertie

            Apparently Branagh talked about that in interviews when promoting the film and defended it based on how many times the moustache was mentioned in the novel.

            The sequel, Death on the Nile, was due for release this year.

          4. Janet, dreams of spidercrab

            she can have mine, I don’t have the skin for it, will look better on a red head, all iridescent and so on

    2. bisted

      …careful what you wish for…James Joyce was a great admirer of Twain and Tom Sawyer makes it onto the first page of Finnegans Wake…

      1. millie von strumpet

        Did you make it past the first page of Finnegan’s Wake? A very frustrating book. Hated it. Managed about three pages before I threw it at the wall.

        1. bisted

          …by coincidence, last Sunday the readers group I belong to reached page 628…final page in Finnegans Wake which I did a full read through at a page per week…next Sunday we start again…update you in 12 years…

  6. Johnny

    Daily Beast now NPR…

    “U.S. Attorney General William Barr has repeatedly blamed anti-fascist activists for the violence that has erupted during demonstrations over George Floyd’s death, but federal court records show no sign of so-called antifa links so far in cases brought by the Justice Department.

    NPR has reviewed court documents of 51 individuals facing federal charges in connection with the unrest. As of Tuesday morning, none is alleged to have links to the antifa movement.”

    https://www.npr.org/2020/06/09/873278314/no-sign-of-antifa-so-far-in-justice-department-cases-brought-over-unrest

  7. Johnny

    The NTMA has released its mid year institutional investor presentation, its a good snapshot of the economy,with FG once again spending more that it takes in and running a budget deficit.This govt has always prioritized the upper class and ‘business’ with significantly more resources for business than individuals.

    €4.8bn for income support measures
    €6.5bn for business supports:

    https://www.ntma.ie/uploads/general/Investor-Presentation-June-2020.pdf

    Remember a vote for FFG is a vote to murder your parents via state sponsored euthanasia.

    1. Cian

      Social Welfare was scheduled to spend over €21bn this year – to individuals.
      With COVID that will probably increase by €4-€8bn (depending on how things pan out).

      Oh, and I don’t think euthanasia means what you think it does – it doesn’t make sense in your context.

    2. Cian

      The 6.5bn for business includes
      – €2bn as credit guarantee – this isn’t a pay-out of €2bn it means that companies can borrow €2bn from the banks – and the State will guarantee it. (this will only be a cost to the state if companies default)
      – Another 2bn is “capital available to medium and large enterprises on commercial terms;” <- the government will pay that out, but it needs to be repaid (this will only be a cost to the state if companies default). But the State will be charging commercial interest rates…so it should make some money.
      – the other €2.5bn is
      * rates waivers grants
      * (10k) to small businesses and
      * allowing them hold on to taxes until next year.

      Whereas the €4.8bn is real cash going directly to individuals (albeit that it will be liable for income tax).

      1. Johnny

        Thanks Cian i can read:)

        Tough decisions had be made as the hospital system was about get overwhelmed,the FFG govt made a policy decision to ship (murder) the sick and elderly off to die alone in nursing homes,its not complicated.

        The yanks made the exact same decision especially in NY,but we got over it and now focus on the next generation, instead of spinning and denying it was a policy choice, when clearly it was.

        1. Cian

          If you can read why are you spinning it as “prioritized the upper class and ‘business’ with significantly more resources for business than individuals” when, in fact, the opposite is true?

          €4.8bn in cash for individuals versus less than €2.5bn in ‘rates waivers’ and €10k grants for small business?

        2. ReproBertie

          “the FFG govt made a policy decision to ship (murder) the sick and elderly off to die alone in nursing homes”

          A flashy spinner like that is for the kids, man. Fly fishing is where the real skill is.

          1. GiggidyGoo

            But that’s what actually happened. The elderly were moved from the hospitals to the nursing homes. The nursing homes decided to close to visitors but were instructed to re-open by Holohan, Harris and Co. The net result was the dying in the homes without family around. A shameful chapter during this pandemic which could and should have been averted.

          2. Johnny

            I fully support that policy decision by the way,too much bandwidth has been wasted on the elderly as they are a very vocal and important voting bloc to both FG and FF,children have home schooled for months many without basic resources.

            Parents of kids with special needs have been ignored, but allowing nature and the virus to take it course and lay waste to the elderly is a third rail for FG/FF-say the quite part out loud, yeah we sent the old and sick to die alone in nursing homes, yes we made that policy decision so what, they had life expectancy rates of a few months or weeks in many cases.

            Harsh yeah-but FFS its wall to wall with teary-eyed stories about the elderly in Ireland and in the media, what about the children…

          3. Cian

            @Johnny: You are suggesting that FG chose to ‘murder’, ‘kill’, ‘euthanize’ it’s most vocal voting block. Which is nonsensical.

          4. Johnny

            Not at all Cian-i’m simply stating the bleeding obvious, its FG/FF that refuses come clean on what was in my opinion the correct policy choice, given the bad choices made in Italy.

            Its pg 15-the 2 billion diff in allocating resources.

            Cumo in NY did exactly the same thing,everyone kinda shrugged went oh that sucks for the almost dead, but how about the kids do they have the resources…

          5. V'ness

            Play the ball lads

            It is an established fact that the FF created HSE and FG managed since 2011, had what they got used to calling “bedblockers” shifted out from early March into the Nursing and Care Home facilities.

            And they did it without first testing these people, who were well recognised and established as being the most vulnerable to the virus. So whether ye want to hear it or not lads, that evacuation from the Acute Hospitals introduced the Covid 19 virus into many of these facilities.

            Of which, most, particularly the privately owned ones were already in Lockdown scenarios weeks before.

            Note this – the first patient was confirmed on the 29th February, a GP no less, who made himself known to the HSE a week before the 29th. it was APRIL – bloody APRIL before our Acting Government came up with a scheme to assist.

            So in addition to sending the Virus into these care settings, these facilities were also sent to the back of the queue for PPE – by dept of Health / HSE
            Including their Staff members, some of whom were in poor accommodation settings themselves, including Direct Provision sites.

            So before this descends into a belt around the legs for sending Assylum Seekers who had been exposed to the virus from Dublin, to a facility in Kerry for it to fester even more, and hope the people of Kerry would be ok with just a pat on the back from Charlie Flanaghan; I’ll end with this

            When the Private Nursing Homes stood their ground and put it up to the HSE etc, isn’t it funny how the papers were then talking about the directors and owners and wealth of these Home Owners.

            The hypocrisy, double standards, short memories, and immaturity of our NPET team and our Acting Government and their online enthusiasts is not just sickening,
            Its a fkkkking insult

            Grow some balls ffs, and to quote the lady of the week (kinda) the Pirate Ann Bonney
            Is there a man among ye

          6. SOQ

            There was a war time medical decision made before it was ever ever needed- I am pretty certain Harris made that decision.

          7. Johnny

            ..these are roughly 50 grand each …so 45,000,000 on ventilators with various studies showing a 95% mortality rate-this was pork to buy off and soothe the fears of the elderly FFG voters-which is its largest voting bloc.

            ..how much is a good state the art iPad in Irl say 1,000 so basically 45 thousand iPads that children could have used to learn,play video games,make new friends, but instead FFG wasted 45 million on a useless medical device which has a 5% chance of coming off,for what to live for another month or two…people who have come off them report horrific after effects with dramatically lower levels of functionality.

            “In Ireland there are approximately 1,300 ventilators available, and in mid-March the Health Service Executive ordered 900 new ventilators specifically for the treatment of patients with Covid 19,” explains Dr Mulryan.”

            https://www.galwaydaily.com/news/gmit-engineers-develop-low-cost-emergency-ventilator/

            PS-i would have spent that on giving every kid in Ireland a new Swith by Nintendo they are amazing:)

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