Labour Party Leader Alan Kelly TD, and Duncan Smith TD (left) at Leinster House this morning
Labour’s Alan Kelly calls for investment of up to €50m to get public wearing masks. Also calls for free flu vaccine for everyone. @rtenews pic.twitter.com/uNy0bZhyaL
— David Murphy (@davidmurphyRTE) June 11, 2020
This morning/afternoon.
Big Pharma’s way so.
Imagine our shock, etc.
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wore face coverings in March, then HSE and Science ‘experts’ told us not to, that they were ineffective and only those in Healthcare settings should wear them
I will not wear one 6 months into the event as they were either lying then or now.
Was the March position not based on the availability of medical masks?
That is not what they stated
What did they state? specifically?
Perhaps they have more information now than they had then and so have revised their position based on that. You should try it sometime.
try comprehending what I wrote, if you read it you would realise that I followed ‘the expert’ guidance against my own judgement and parked the face coverings.
now, if 6 months into a pandemic ‘the experts’ feel the general public can be trusted to access now available masks then I ask, given that the virus can enter through the eyes why arent ‘the experts’ also requesting the general public to wear face shields or eye protection.
I will take my own precautions as the ‘experts’ flip flop with requests of us not based on the science
It appears you are simply looking for something to whine about, carry on.
noted that you failed to tackle or address the substance and or detail of my presentation.
He’s right
Flu Vaccine should be free to anyone who wants it
Plenty employers already invest in it
This isn’t an over reaction, look at the disruption Covid-19 has caused
This initiative makes sense on number of metrics
Health, Well being, Social, Financial and Economic
also everyone should get a box of disposable masks – say 100 ea
Per person per household
If Labour are costing that at 50 mill per annum
I’d say tis money well spent
How much is the State paying the recruitment firm CPL alone?
It’s time for us to start measuring Government Spend on a Value for Money basis
Will we get a good value for money result for the spend into the Private Hospitals for empty beds
will we feic
You lack consistency.
You call for all government spend to have a “Value for Money basis” in the same breath as calling for free vaccines for all *and* 100 masks per person…but you have no “value for money” quantum on either vaccines or masks. Will they make any difference? will they even save 1 life? 50 lives? 1,000 lives? will they prevent 1 case of COVID? who know? and would that money be better spent elsewhere to save lives/improve life quality?
Did you miss the bit where I introduced Labour costing that at 50 mill
and that at 50 mill per annum it was money well spent
especially if it manages to reduce the disruption and impact of Covid 19 and the likes to follow, by even 2%
How much has CPL earned from the State this year alone Cian?
And just for Temporary Agency Staff – go on, tell us
Put that up again 50 mill for an annual flu shot
Sorry. I thought you meant value for money when you said value for money. But you seem to mean “a fixed price”.
Unless you know what the actual benefit of getting masks for all is (e.g. if we spend €50m then we should save 100 lives)…. and then your value for money is 1 life = €100k (or whatever your metrics are). And then look at free flu vaccines: (say 1 life = €200k) and then decide is it better value to spend the 50m on masks or vaccines (or cut €50m from temp staff and do both).
You are just saying “lets spend €50m and it might reduce the disruption and impact of COVID by 2%”! That is NOT value for money.
As for the other stuff – I’m in agreement with you – when the NCL was proposed there was a value-for-money (or a positive cost-benefit analysis) which gave it the green light. With the massive overruns this value-for-money keeps dropping and dropping. This is problem and shouldn’t be happening.
As for Temp Agency Staff – I don’t know the numbers… you can’t just compare the hourly rates of a temp Vs fulltime. There are other costs associated with fulltime staff – training, lack of flexibility (hiring & firing), future pension entitlements, etc. If you run the full costs of each you can see if one is better value for money than the other.
Ah would ya go and pick up someone elses knitting
Seriously C.i ant
this online FG Government enthusiast lark isn’t one bit healthy or even entertaining
Get a life lad
Now back to my post
I think I am qualified to say that 50m ring fenced to provide free Flu Vax for anyone who wants it, and have freebie face masks everywhere, like the Lotto envelopes shows better value for money for the State, and contributes to the welfare of our citizens
Its visable and its action based
as well as practical and meaningful
than what they pay – yoyo for yoyo for agency commissions, or PR gurus, or Minister for Justice advertorials in regional newspapers, or another round of reports into the NCH, or another Broadband tender
But that’s just me
And btw,
That 50 mill is the Labour party’s value
They could have pulled it out of their ar53 for all I know
But 50mill spent of free flu shots and face masks is better value for money for the State, than those info letters and An Post cards, that never arrived
you’re still inconsistent.
With zero evidence of how much benefit, if any, you want the government to spend €50m (which we don’t know is it on flu shots/masks/or advertising masks).
And then you complain of wasted money and a lack of Value for Money.
Pick one.
That looks like what I was lending my commentary to was too wide and just flowed over you like a rogue wave Cian
Which pretty much sums up why Fine Gael are an utter disaster
Politically and Traditionally within their own grassroots
Pumping Millions and billions into their supporters interests
The ones that wouldn’t be seen dead in a mart in Newmarket, or at a branch meeting in Mayo, or at a Hustings Quiz night in Meath
Free Flu shots and tissue face masks just isn’t grand enough for ye
But lash out the Advertorials and Press releases about job numbers
Government Tenders to Private Equity Funds
and so what if they multiply the costs – they play golf
And look at all the private hospital beds we paid up front for – they must look lovely
According to Labour,
Less than half of what Fine Gael are paying for a month of empty beds in a private hospital, will provide free flu shots for everyone
If that doesn’t satisfy a value for money test, well at least we know the brains and motivation around pursuing with the National Broadband Tender and the NCH
go’ way
you’re worse than a weed insisting on coming up through the tarmac on the driveway
Your belligerence is astounding
and now, frankly
Insulting
You’ve been ciansplained V’ness.
Why do these sociopaths all have to put their fingers together in that stance. It’s embarrassing at this stage how transparent it is.
“Big Pharma’s way so.”
What’s that supposed to mean? I got the flu show last year (paid for it) and have a bag of masks at home. Am I a tool of Big Pharma? Or just trying to take sensible precautions to protect my friends and family?
“big pharma” is just an anti vax dog whistle at this stage
jabs for the boys, wha?
Bodger is a conspiracy loon who should have been dropped a long time ago. Doesn’t make it that obvious, but has here.
‘Experts can’t make their minds up, so I’m not going wear a mask’. One less idiot is no loss.
ehm eh shhh but where the fook is his mask ?
I bet ya he has a family member who coincidentally makes face masks
The bro’s shop rep’s Dow but Alan is more interested I hear, in its other big client Weight Watchers:)
“Teneo’s major clients include Dow Chemical, Coca-Cola, Weight Watchers, Delta and GE.”
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/28/sarah-sanders-consulting-firm-teneo-clinton-aides-1476782