94 thoughts on “Saturday’s Papers

    1. Cú Chulainn

      Yes indeed.. much along the line of what he instigated when he was in South Africa.

    1. Charger Salmons

      By jove what a glorious evening.
      Just enjoying a few hours before the rain arrives with a glass of shampoo and a cheeky three-skinner.
      Hope everyone is tickety-boo.
      Isn’t it marvellous to be alive ?
      Absolutely marvellous.

      1. V'ness

        So as a true and loyal Blightyist Brexiteer Bless The Queen chap Charage
        I think we’re entitled to assume you’re bald, fat, tattooed, sweaty, drink from a can, with flacid bladder muscles, and spell it like Britian

        I’d say Kettie is only dying to have you over to hers for brunch

        1. f_lawless

          Back underway in light of the Lancet scandal? It’s like you’re almost willing for those tests to fail. A cheaply produced drug that could be used to ease suffering and might save countless lives.

          1. SOQ

            Its amazing how blindly political some people can be- because Trump backed it, others want it to fail.

            As James Todaro said in that interview- a conspiracy theory became fact within the space of two days.

          2. jamesjoist

            Breaking news on the Google news feed , from the Washington Post. Several instances of the virus have detected in Beijing , all associated with food markets . Detection of the virus on a chopping board used for imported salmon has led to said salmon being removed from shops .

    1. alickdouglas

      Have you looked into this ‘James Todaro MD’? Ophthalmologist, bitcoin investor, self-published a story on treatment of COVID with an attorney who falsely claimed to be associated with Stanford. This is someone who has plenty to gain on a personal level by promoting spurious nonsense, and questioning international quality standards.

      What happened at The Lancet and the NEJM *IS* a scandal, and the editors should be held to account. Horton’s previous one on MMR was bad enough and he should have been fired then. But I’ve seen nothing to show that Horton is corrupt, if anything he’s heavily anti-pharma industry on a personal level.

      1. SOQ

        f_lawless stated “He believes the evidence points to serious corruption at both the Lancet and the WHO ”

        That statement doesn’t mention Horton but- if he was citing fake data from hospitals who knew nothing about it, somebody sure is.

      2. f_lawless

        @alickdouglas You’re making a habit of pushing Daily Mail-style character assassinations that distract from the bigger picture. It’s not about one individual.

        One thing we know is that, among the international medical community, there is sufficient interest in hydroxychloroquine as a potential treatment for Covid-19 that clinical trials of the highest standard have been commissioned around the world.

        In the space of a few of days of the Lancet report being published, the WHO changed their treatment recommendations worldwide without doing any of their own due diligence on the veracity of the report.

        The report was then retracted in record time. The WHO’s Chief Scientist responded: “It’s very difficult for us to check the data quality of every published paper”. But that excuse doesn’t hold weight as this wasn’t just some random paper that might have a peripheral effect on patient treatment. It’s impact would be to fundamentally change approaches to treatment of Covid-19 worldwide.

        Also, as Todaro points out, the database behind the report, was the largest of its kind in the world purporting to be unique in its highly-detailed level of patient data. It had already been used as the basis of other reports. It’s not credible that the WHO weren’t already aware of it – particularly in this time of pandemic. And yet it only took Todaro (as a single independent investigator) a matter of days to expose the database as fake.

        If you think that simple negligence on the part of the WHO is the best explanation for all this, then perhaps I could interest you in a lovely bridge that’s recently come on the market? ;)

        By questioning international quality standards in the field of scientific research and exposing them where they fall short, James Todaro is doing science -and all of us – a valuable service.

        1. :-Joe

          Is it not plain and simple economics at the end of the day,,,

          The WHO’s top two sources of funding comes from ‘murica and bill “the custard pie obsessed” gates…

          Fauci who represents ‘murica as the interface with health policy and the WHO has worked alongside(under / for) gates on previous projects. So, the WHO is essentially under the influence of gates, a billionaire obsessed with patent law and manipulating intellectual property rights on seeds and crops as proven time and time again i.e. The farmers driven to suicide in India, all the Monsanto connections etc. etc.( Go look for yourslef.. It’s not hard to find.. e.g. DemocracyNow.org )

          My guess is this is all about being first to market with a vacine but rather than the best solution it has to be the right solution with the right financial incentives in place for those who want the glory/profits and they have the powers to stifle anything else in the meantime, as long as people like you and others stop taking notice, give up and let them get away with it….

          BTW I know gates is not the devil etc. but it’s intreresting that there is a recent concerted effort to counter the valid criticisms of him by labelling detractors as tin-foil conspiracy lunatics. I think he’s noticing the push-back and it’s making a difference, enough so to make him and his pr bs team of corporate spin propaganda react to it.

          Interesting story though and cheers for the update.

          :-J –

          NO MORE LINKS TO PRODUCTS PLEASE, JOE – BS

          1. :-Joe

            ?…

            Do you mean privacy tools?

            It’s not a product, it’s a website that helps people learn how to protect their personal privacy, security and data when online.

            No money or profit involved, it’s completely free.

            It’s like citizens information or more like a positive public service helping to make the internet better and safer for everyone.

            :-J –

        2. alickdouglas

          Right. 1) I’ve had a g&t and most of a bottle of wine, I reserve the right to return to this conversation with a different opinion when I am compus mentus (oh gawd, I sound like charger) 2) f_lawless, to be frank, I suspect you and I are in the same ballpark, but are disagreeing on details, see. 3… 3) This is not my first trip on the epidemic/pandemic merry go round. Every time, there are charlatans and eejits who join the fray, trying to project their false expertise, and portray themselves as knowledgeable. I have a low tolerance for people who project (apparent) expertise in one field to pass off into another: Todaro oozes snake oil ‘bullshid ardist’ to me. 4) I don’t think that any of us (me included) are sceptical enough of what we are informed by the mainstream media is ‘expert opinion’. The reason I drew attention to Todaro and Sikora is because I genuinely believe they have their own agenda, and that agenda is not about providing impactful, economic healthcare solutions to fight COVID. Spiegelhalter (who you cited via BMJ f_lawless) on the other hand, as I said on BS the other day, I believe is someone of integrity, backed up with decades of consistent expertise in this domain. Over and out, bottle of wine to finish. Oh, at some point I’ll come back to Bill Gates, but not now…

          1. f_lawless

            Ok, well thanks for your reply. I don’t share your sceptism about the motivations of Todaro or Sikora but everyone is entitled to their own opinions. Enjoy the wine!

    2. Daisy Chainsaw

      https://abcnews.go.com/Health/tracking-hydroxychloroquine-misinformation-unproven-covid-19-treatment-ended/story?id=70074235
      James Todaro, a businessman who graduated from medical school but is now a blockchain investor.

      The document cited treatment guidelines from Korea and China and an abstract published China, but did not reference any peer-reviewed research related to COVID-19. The document also said it was produced in consultation with Stanford University School of Medicine and SPARK, a research collaboration group that includes Stanford and industry experts, but that’s been disputed.

      “Stanford Medicine, including SPARK, wasn’t involved in the creation of the Google document, and we’ve requested that the author remove all references to us. In addition, Gregory Rigano is not an advisor with Stanford School of Medicine and no one at Stanford was involved in the study,” a spokesperson for Stanford Medical School said in a statement to Wired magazine.

      Twitter now warns users clicking the link that the content may be unsafe, and Google has removed the document, saying that it violates the company’s terms of service.

      1. f_lawless

        But the crucial point is that the Lancet was forced to retract the published paper in question in disgrace and the high level clinical tests on hydroxychloroquine therefore resumed around the world. How is an attack on the character of this person and his own personal research on the drug relevant to that?

          1. f_lawless

            Todaro’s own research, whatever its merits may be, had no bearing whatsoever on the study published in the Lancet. The Lancet study is the one of global interest due its level of impact after publication and subsequent retraction. I feel a bit embarrassed on your behalf pointing this out. Not sure what else to say

          2. bisted

            …I’m not familiar with this Todaro guy but I do understand his motivation…what I don’t understand is your motivation for relentlessly promoting this and any other quack remedy that seems to emerge*…early on the Chinese flagged the importance of PPE to protect frontline workers…to suggest any remedy as a substitute for PPE is dangerous and irresponsible…

            *No doubt you’ll keep us informed on the progress of tests…

          3. f_lawless

            You seem to be confusing me with someone else. I’ve only ever posted on hydroxychloroquine in relation to the concerted campaign to discredit it as a “quack remedy” in both corporate media and certain elements of the science establishment BEFORE the gold-standard trials that are being conducted around the world have even been completed.

            That this corruption exists is the important takeaway from the affair regardless of what the results of those tests turn out to be. I’ve never posted about any other remedies as you state.

            And the campaign goes on it seems. Just after the Lancet scandal emerged, an Oxford study on hydroxychloroquine announced that the drug was not effective. But that study is now mired in controversy amid claims that it was set up to fail.
            https://conservativewoman.co.uk/the-marx-brothers-do-science/

    1. :-Joe

      Here’s one of Attenborough with a rarely seen out-take from an episode about the Lyre bird from the BBC earth series:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOFy8QkNWWs

      You can also go to unblockit with noscript and ublock origin in firefox to access any content, anytime, anywhere… – I recommend using a vpn like the free basic proton vpn for added security and privacy and especially if you are not sure about how it all works.

      :-J – (link removed)

        1. :-Joe

          I just think it’s one of the most helpful and useful websites for anyone online.

          People should be more aware of how to go online safely and securely and avoid the many pitfalls of using various apps, websites and services that are abusing them and their data while also making the internet worse for everyone at the same time.

          It’s one of, if not THE most honest and reliable sources for help and information about what you should do to have a better online internet experience and to see the who, what how is going on by different companies and their dodgy behaviour..

          :-J

      1. Steph Pinker

        Thanks, :-J, I’ve watched the Lyre bird/ Attenborough docs multiple times through the years, but I thought that by posting a link to Netflix docs other BSheeters could enjoy them as well. The subsequent link you’ve posted seems to have been removed…

        1. :-Joe

          You’re welcome, I just thought you and others would find that funny..

          The original broadcast footagee is brilliant and hilarious all by itself to be fair…

          – The link removed was to the privacy tools io website.
          If you click on my name in the margin/ latest comments it’ll link you to it.
          Perfectly safe and secure and no profit motive involved.

          :-J

  1. Formerly known as @ireland.com

    I would love to see what Banksy or some other artists would do with that screen around Churchill’s monument. In Australia, the “Leopold Ranges”, named after King Leopold II of Belgium, is being renamed. I find it funny that they will rename something named after a Belgian but I see no signs of taking action against British villains who did actual harm in Australia.

    1. Steph Pinker

      Formerly – you’ve changed your avatar, I preferred the other one – it was more conspicuous.

  2. GiggidyGoo

    So much for the push to herd taxpayers online. Safe?, Secure?. Mygov ID? So, how many other taxpayers IDs have been used to claim the Covid (and probably if the truth be known, normal welfare payments) and the funds transferred to a scammers account.
    And where has the breach occurred – within Revenue? https?
    So many questions, so little information.

    1. MaryLou's ArmaLite

      A few thousand people were victims of a phishing scam where they are tricked into entering their credentials to a fake revenue login page.

          1. GiggidyGoo

            €1050 is the tip of the social welfare scam iceberg. I’m surprised at a Garda falling for it too.
            Apart from that We are going around carrying all sorts of personal details in Credit Card sized information banks. Passport, Bank, PSC, Driving Licence, Medical or Drug Payment Cards, and all of which eventually join up the information eventually.
            Lose your handbag or wallet with all of those in there, and in the wrong hands you can get scammed quickly.
            Good old dealing with people in person has a lot to be said for it.

          2. Clampers Outside

            I neay fell for it myself.

            I’d submitted for tax return.

            Two weeks later I got a call purporting to be from Revenue.

            They asked for my bank details and I duly reached for my wallet and was about to read out my card… Then… a penny dropped.
            I said, “I don’t have my wallet on me, and don’t you have my bank details…”

            Another minute and I’d have spewed the numbers.

            How was it though that the first time I ever get a call like that was within weeks of filing for tax back? Odd I thought…

          3. Clampers Outside

            Possibly, I guess everyone is looking for tax back at the same time in January and scammers likely know this….

  3. jamesjoist

    This is a serious question . Are women genetically predisposed to shop . Does it go back to a division of skills before the hunter/gatherer era ?

    1. Lilly

      Plenty of women loathe shopping. If they can afford it, they employ personal shoppers. If not, they get in and out at lightening speed.

        1. Paulus

          Psychologically I’d say it’s a complex issue with several answers:

          Reward or treat, possibly for working hard or in need of break.
          A “hunter” aspect; tracking down an outfit which is a perfect fit, colour, is flattering etc.
          A viewing experience, as in a museum or gallery.
          The buzz of being in a bright, dynamic space.

          BUT, should these not apply equally to men?

          1. jamesjoist

            When I was a young man I took great pleasure of visiting record shops , along with my mates, and flicking through the racks of L P’s . Hours would be spent in this pursuit of a Saturday morning , regardless of the fact that maybe only one of the group had the money to buy an album . Information would be exchanged about which drummer was a onetime member of a different band . Also , other instrumentalists. Views on the various genres of music would be elaborated upon . In short , I was learning how to be a ‘hip’ young man. Would the same thing apply to young women who shop with their mates for clothes , make-up etc .

        2. Janet, dreams of spidercrab

          I fecking hate it, I’m in and out like a commando opp, shops I know my size in at first doors , so I don’t have to try everything on and it’s all still neatly folded, if you want to loose me as a friend torture me by dragging me into a shop,
          I get himself to shop while I go to the pub and he comes and gets me when he’s done, if you need advice send me a picture from the changing room…no time for it

          1. bisted

            …I really hate shopping for clothes…really will miss Debenhams…summer shop now overdue…I knew the sizes so I could walk in and grab a few pairs of jeans, shirts, t-shirts, jocks and socks…all done in less than five minutes…however, I can spend hours in food halls and markets…

          2. Janet, dreams of spidercrab

            oh food is a different story for sure, really miss my Sunday Bastille open market

          3. bisted

            …mmm…Bastille market…I spent two hours there going round drooling…knowing I couldn’t buy anything and could have spent two hours more…I could cook for a year of sundays and not make the same thing…those mushrooms…it would have to be bouillabaisse …there was a guy there from Loire selling his own wine but you just knew he was itching to get back to the start of the harvest…jugs of his ice-cold blanc de blancs…some spider crab legs into mix…who needs sex?

          4. Janet, dreams of spidercrab

            I used to love just letting lunch plan itself based on what was available, rabbit kidney and fennel starters maybe, freshest fish down from Normandy, seasonal veggies at cut throat prices, the smells, the tasting, the haggling,
            great lunch and siesta sex ;) proper Sunday,

          5. Janet, dreams of spidercrab

            ooooh I once stuffed a woodcock with apricot, how are you doing the ortolan ?

            I love the what’s your last meal question ? Morbid I know but it can tell you a lot about someone, I allow for 5 course ;) Mine constantly changes, wild mushrooms defo get a look in

          6. Janet, dreams of spidercrab

            I mean usually it’s made with spinach here instead of mustard greens, it’s not supposed to be spinach but it’s hard to sorce the mustard leaves, after the spices etc are according to taste, I like a fair amount of green chilli in mine

          7. V'ness

            Don’t worry Bisto
            If they’re kept in an air tight jar they’ll be grand
            I’ve a few strings of saffron here (in the van) and the date on the side is 2002

            Anyway, if Bake Off (11th Season) resumes it looks like Broadsheet will be spoilt for choice there between yourself and Janie for Bake’Sheet S4
            If they go with it for another year like

          8. Janet, dreams of spidercrab

            hmmm my baking is hit and miss, not enough room for experiment, I can do the basics by eye, scones, gingerbread, soda bread, sponge, pastries and flat breads but I’m more of a cook to be honest, I like the rollercoaster route of no measures

      1. Clampers Outside

        I used to live shopping, now I haven’t money for it, and when I do buy, it’s always on my mind… “will I get good wear out of that”. ‘Good wear’ is at least a year, preferably two.

        Never buy ‘on trend’ stuff, even when I had the money.

        Quality first, at right price.
        Broke my rule and I once, in my late 20s, spent a hundred quid on an effing tie, a feckin TIE ffs. Got two wears of it before a red wine stain ruined it. Lesson learnt :)

        1. Janet, dreams of spidercrab

          my weakness is heels, ones you need good weather for and a driver, I have neither…I still have the shoes

  4. Gabby

    Let’s cocoon statues around the world to safeguard them against the current statue virus.

  5. Verbatim

    The Bank Of England is going to couple up with the Beano to teach young children about money, do children still buy the Beano – what’s up with this?

    1. SOQ

      Four hours later this comment appears?

      Anyways we need a good riot in Dublin- lets all march then pull down the spike? It’s offensive no matter which way you look at it.

        1. SOQ

          NO- Spike represents all that is wrong with our hetronormative racist transphobic misogynistic society and must be torn down immediately.

          Also- mummy has only loaned me enough to hire a JCB digger for one day.

      1. SOQ

        They went after a Churchill statue- what did they think would happen?

        Race is a distraction IMO- a bit like the north back in the day- dirty tricks all over the place.

        It is England after all.

        1. Nigel

          People have been going after Churchill in London demos for decades. Remember when they gave him the grass mohawk? When was that, 99? Throwing Nazi salutes at the man who fought Hitler is a far worse insult than pointing out the truth of his historical record. As for race being a distraction – only a twit could look at the last week and think so. In fact, the way it’s been treated as a mere distraction for so long that contributed to the outburst.

  6. Ringsend Incinerator

    Brit football fans turn out to be right-wing, violent, thickos. Who knew?

  7. Ringsend Incinerator

    I Weekend:

    “Fun baking recipes to try with children”.

    Personally I’d rather try them with flour and currants, but to each their fancy.

    1. Janet, dreams of spidercrab

      I once made scones pronounced scoans with a child who remarked on tasting what fun it had been and went on to show me how clean their nails where NOW, guess those fine butter breadcrumbs had a life of their own…burk

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