69 thoughts on “Tuesday’s Papers

  1. f_lawless

    Try this experiment type any 3-digit number followed by “new cases” into google. It’s quite extraordinary!

      1. f_lawless

        Well, I think it’s probably just an indication of Covid-19 being the most obsessively reported thing in history… but aside from that, sure, it seems clear to me at this point that there are different powerful players trying to spin the outbreak to their advantage – from those at the top of the profit-driven corporate healthcare world to state intelligence agencies wanting to bring in a new era of population surveillance and control..

          1. Verbatim

            @f_lawless – you may have found the essence of the virus – the whole thing is extraordinary!

    1. GiggidyGoo

      Well, I have input a lot of combinations, and you’re correct. Always an exact match (so far). Who would like to be a luggage manufacturer at a time like this?

      1. Cian

        100 countries have had more than 2,000 cases. If they have been reporting over the last 100+ days, that is 10,000+ sample points. As countries refine their counts there are often two values per day. Since some countries also report by region/State (especially the harder hit ones) the likelihood of hitting all 3-digit combinations heads to 1.

        Statistically I would expect the smaller 3-digit numbers to be a lot more common than the bigger ones.

          1. Cian

            Ah, I’d missed that point, thanks. I was assuming that when “cases” were mentioned it was COVID cases.

            Google optimizes it’s search engine based on your previous searches, other people’s searches and what people are currently searching for. When you actually click on a link Google knows which link you clicked (and if you don’t come straight back, they assume that link answered whatever you searched for.

            At the moment lots more people must be searching for “cases” are looking for COVID cases rather than suitcases or briefcases or legal cases – so Google will assume it is COVID you’re looking for. If you search for “marathon” it will most likely link to your local marathon (wherever it thinks you live). If during the 6-nations you search for “rugby results” it will show you that day’s matches.

            If you don’t want COVID then you can either add ” -COVID” (exclude COVID) or add the type of case you need.

    2. Charger Salmons

      ‘ Ireland’s health workers have world’s highest rate of Covid-19 ‘

      Ireland has the highest rate of infection from coronavirus of health workers globally, the Oireachtas Covid-19 committee has been told.

      http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ireland-s-health-workers-have-world-s-highest-rate-of-covid-19-committee-hears-1.4286233

      Any moment now.
      ” Ah,yes but what about the UK …blah,blah,blah …incompetent Boris …blah,blah,blah … NHS workers hung out to dry …blah,blah,blah … ”
      And probably in this order.
      Scottser,
      O’Bertie Begorrah,
      SOQ,
      Nigel,
      Then usually Papi trots along after he’s seen what everyone else writes.

      It’s the ICI Rear Window Nodding Dogs brigade.

  2. Matt Pilates

    Bad typo there on the Irish Examiner. It should say, “Council launches tourism and hospital website”.

    Don’t think much of that bikini either.

  3. GiggidyGoo

    The Examiner seems to have gone down the road of headlines that are not truthful. Todays one tells us that Higgins will not allow Dail to disband. When you read the article, that is speculation by someone or other, and nor confirmed by higgins. Has the Examiner been bought by DinnyMedia recently?.

    1. bisted

      …nah…I got rounded on by the top brass from the Broadsheet Cumannn of FG for suggesting that Squee might not allow a new election…and you don’t get closer to Dinnie than that…

        1. Cian

          It sits with the President – it is pretty much the only power he has.
          He may choose to call the Council of State to get their view; but it rests with him.

          1. bisted

            …that’s not what you said yesterday Cian…in fact…you insisted that the president didn’t have any power to direct the Dail…nor was there any direction in the constitution…

          2. GiggidyGoo

            That’s a fair old burn in fairness Bisted. It’s the reason why I often say that Cian tries to deflect/divert etc. You’ve just made what he’s up to abundantly clear.

          3. Cian

            bisted, nothing I say here contradicts what I said yesterday. I was just answering dav’s question. I never said (on either day) that the president had any power to direct the Dail!

            Yesterday I said “The constitution is silent on this – it doesn’t seem to say anything about what happens if after an election there isn’t a new government formed. ”

            and it doesn’t. The constitution says

            2° The President may in his absolute discretion refuse to dissolve Dáil Éireann on the advice of a Taoiseach who has ceased to retain the support of a majority in Dáil Éireann.

            The Taoiseach never had the support of the majority of the current Dáil. so his support hasn’t, technically, ceased.

          4. The Old Boy

            Cian, the Irish text does not use a word with an equivalent meaning to “ceased”.

            The text is “Taoisigh nach leanann tromlach i nDáil Éireann de bheith i dtacaíocht leis”, which means “A Taoiseach who is not supported by a majority/who does not continue to have a majority in Dáil Éireann”, so that point about the Taoiseach never having had the support of the current Dáil is Constitutionally irrelevant.

          5. Cian

            @The Old Boy
            Thanks for that – I stand corrected – I hadn’t looked at the Irish text.

        2. The Old Boy

          Article 13.2 of the Constitution states:

          1° Dáil Éireann shall be summoned and dissolved by the President on the advice of the Taoiseach.

          2° The President may in his absolute discretion* refuse to dissolve Dáil Éireann on the advice of a Taoiseach who has ceased to retain the support of a majority in Dáil Éireann.

          3° The President may at any time, after consultation with the Council of State, convene a meeting of either or both of the Houses of the Oireachtas.

          *The Irish text reads “as a chomhairle féin”, which Patrick Hillery allegedly interpreted as meaning “without consulting others”. We have never had judicial guidance on the matter, but I don’t think it in fact precludes a President from consulting with the Council of State, but doing so would be entirely at the President’s discretion.

          No President has exercised his or her discretion under 13.2.2° to refuse the advice of a Taoiseach to dissolve the Dáil.

          1. ReproBertie

            Was there not a previous failed attempt to build a coalition, or a coalition that collapsed, where the president sent them back to try and form a government? Possibly resulting in the rainbow coalition. No doubt I can google this but I’m sure somebody here knows and can answer this quicker.

          2. The Old Boy

            The Rainbow Coalition of 1994 to 1997 was formed after Fianna Fáil’s coalition with Labour collapsed. However, Albert Reynolds didn’t advise the President to dissolve the Dáil. There is some suggestion that someone from the Áras had a word in his shell-like to the effect that Mary Robinson intended to refuse a request for dissolution if he made one.

          3. Cian

            you might be thinking of:

            On two occasions the President’s power to refuse a dissolution has become an issue.

            In January 1982, President Patrick Hillery acceded to Taoiseach Garret FitzGerald’s request for a dissolution, resulting in a general election. Brian Lenihan Snr unsuccessfully tried to persuade the President to refuse a dissolution and allow Fianna Fáil to try to form a new government; an action which caused controversy when he ran in the 1990 presidential election.

            In 1994, when Labour left the coalition it had formed with Fianna Fáil in 1992, there was neither a confidence motion nor a request for a dissolution. Instead, negotiations led to a new coalition of Fine Gael, Labour, and Democratic Left. Fianna Fáil Taoiseach Albert Reynolds did not attempt to forestall this by requesting a dissolution, because he believed President Mary Robinson would have refused.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidence_motions_in_D%C3%A1il_%C3%89ireann

          4. bisted

            …it’s funny reading all these arguments about the power or otherwise of the president when he has already demonstrated that he is merely a paper tiger who will do whatever he is directed by the political establishment…he meekly signed the water charges legislation with undue haste…one of the most devisive pieces of legislation ever to come before him and he signed without comment or acknowledgement…

  4. GiggidyGoo

    So, Eamon Ryan thinks that using an actor who played The Hulk gives him kudos? Thinks it is cool or something? Shows how green, in another sense, Ryan is. Almost Vradkaresque.

    The younger members of the Party have already let it be known that lines such as ‘We must do this for the next generation’ don’t wash, and have told Ryan basically that ‘We are the next generation, and what you’re doing and have done is not the way – we are not a crutch for FFG’

    1. dav

      tune into blushirttalk today, leo is claiming the housing crisis is the fault of the labour party .

    2. goldenbrown

      I’d have to agree with you there, sounds very like the kind of PR hollywood cringefest a certain leading US computer manufacturer used to deploy annually at their celebratory bash.

      (ooh ooh ooh….must vote YES…because Mark Guffalo or whateverhescalled said so)

      GO GREENS! etc.

      1. GiggidyGoo

        Rumor has it that Hazel Chu will be the next Lord Mayor of Dublin. A voting pact no doubt, at the ‘right’ time.

        1. Vanessanelle

          She won’t need a Voting Pact

          by far the most high profile Councillor in the City, possibly the most popular

          and (winging it as I’m not all that arsed being for sure about it) the highest 1st preference count

          She might even have given Eamon Ryan a close run to top the poll in Dublin BS last February but he wouldn’t let her run
          He prevented her from running for the Seanad too btw

          Hazel is a great prospect for Irish Politics, and she will be a great Lord Mayor for the City

          As for your at the ‘right’ time
          don’t know what its there for, but it reminded of the drunk Mr Squirky shlurpping and shlurring down in Barrow Street about her

        2. GiggidyGoo

          ‘At the right time’ refers to the current situation that the Greens are in – hit and miss whether their party members will vote for them to go into Government, so nothing like having a high profile member getting a high-profile position in the lead up to the vote, and a voting pact maybe to make it happen.
          Don’t know what Barrow Street has to do with anything I’ve written above.

          1. Vanessanelle

            She’s already declared she’s Voted No

            And I mentioned Barrow Street
            Because your post reminded me of it
            That’s all

            And
            I hope her campaign to be Lord Mayor of Dublin is successful
            She’s the best candidate by a mile

          2. GiggidyGoo

            “It is the Green Party’s turn to take over the position of Lord Mayor under the Dublin Agreement drawn up with Fianna Fáil, Labour and the Social Democrats.“
            That from RTE’s report last night. Voting pact it is then.

            How did the words ‘right time’ in my post remind you of Barrow Street, and give rise to the ensuing words you wrote? I’d love to know how word association works for you. You could have written ‘sure that happens there every weekend’ and it would have made the same association? No?

          3. Vanessanelle

            Voting pact is neither here nor there
            Hazel is still the best candidate

            As to your other pestering
            I simply don’t know what it was about your post that made me think of the leader of the Irish National Party’s Party Piece down on Barrow Street

            Do you?

          4. GiggidyGoo

            How would I know the way your word association works?. Only you can answer that.
            You wrote it – yet you accuse me of pestering when I wondered why you wrote it specifically under one of my posts which had nothing to do with Barrow Street.

    1. SOQ

      So the motive was homophobic but no mention of that in the media because he was an immigrant – that figures.

      1. Charger Salmons

        That’s the gist of it.
        Plus the fact the BBC and other media organisations deliberately misrepresent the truth if it doesn’t fit with their political agenda.
        They’ve downed their final pint in the Last Chance Saloon.They will never get their reputations for impartiality and honest back.
        And they’re now discovering to their horror that the media is being physically attacked at demonstrations by the very people they thought their biased reporting would support.
        Schadenfreude, as the Germans say.

      2. Verbatim

        It wasn’t mentioned because we are going into the unholy realm of “Islamic homophobia”, but we don’t want to go there now do we!

          1. Nigel

            Is he a nice person who will enrich and enhance my day? That’s the only opinion I want to have about people right now.

        1. SOQ

          Douglas Moore wrote The Madness of Crowds- IMO one of the most astute observations of our time. He is also a very out gay man.

          Sorry if that doesn’t fit your narrative but people have this annoying habit of jumping out of your pigeon holes now don’t they?

          1. SOQ

            Andrew Doyle and he were planning a tour together- hopefully that is still on the cards.

            He’s very anti woke which is why he broke this story I expect.

          2. Charger Salmons

            He doesn’t just ” pigeon-hole ” himself to the Spectator.He also contributes to, among others, the Guardian.
            Poor Nigel, who judges everyone else by his own narrow outlook on life.
            If he was a sandwich he’d be a tuna mayo on white – but hold the mayo.

          3. Nigel

            Oh, so The Spectator is where he goes with stuff nowhere else will publish. Fair enough. Everyone has off days.

      3. class wario

        uh oh, SOQ has another token [member of minority group] right winger with whose opinion he will bash us over the head with and call us homophobic if we disagree

    2. goldenbrown

      no there aren’t, difficult questions

      it’s a ridiculous article, a jumble of supposition and labels searching for a “difficult” question that doesn’t particularly exist

      actually, my only question is why the ideology of Chesterton and Powell has managed to persist onwards into modern day Britain? For a country that rightfully prides itself on it’s survival and eventual success’ in WWII it sure is a puzzler. I certainly cannot understand why although I’m fairly confident it ain’t to do with imported “foreign”

      England in particular have plenty of home-grown nutjobs with weapons and perverse ideals. Indeed as do Ireland and every country I have ever had the pleasure of travelling, so what’s your point caller etc. (oh yeah, it’s the clickbait, innit? :) )

      PS. I’m surprised at this tack of yours Charger, although I’m relatively new around here I hadn’t got you down as this kind of s—stirrer. Why do you think any reader from Ireland would care particularly to speculate upon and process this type of nonsense?

    3. Kate

      “Unaddressed & unaddressable” is accurate in today’s world.
      “86 shot, 12 fatally so far this weekend in Chicago” poses questions as well . A murdered Chicago cop wouldn’t have hit the airwaves either!

      1. Charger Salmons

        Some of us like to address the difficult questions.
        I posted this link on here yesterday.
        The Nigels of this parish preferred to remain silent over it.
        It doesn’t fit their ‘ black men murder other black men in hugely disproportionate numbers because they never got a great start in life and all white people have been beastly racists towards them ” narrative.
        http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/chicago-weekend-shootings-2-dead-at-least-21-wounded-in-gun-violence-thus-far/2292837/

        1. Nigel

          You don’t ‘address it’ you only bring it up when black people complain about being extra-judicially murdered by the police, without ever saying exactly why you think that a black person getting murdered by another black person in Chicago is relevant to black people being murdered by the police in the rest of the US. Why would you think it’s relevant I wonder? More examples of bad but overfunded policing and underfunded social sytems and supports? Or something else? Difficult question, that…

          1. Charger Salmons

            If black lives matter why are so many of them ended by other black people ?
            I know, why not blame the police.
            The World According to Nigel.

          2. Nigel

            Ah, so the difficult question you are sking is why can’t you hold black people responsible for all crimes committed by other black people? The turd according to Salmon.

          3. ReproBertie

            The causal execution of black people by the forces of the state given the task of law enforcement is not the same as citizens murdering other citizens. Protesting against the systemic failure of a state to tackle the issue of LEOs murdering black civilians does not mean glossing over other murders. Those murders are investigated. There is a police force in place to investigate them and bring the perpetrators before the courts. There is a problem when that police force deems black lives of lesser worth and has no issue in murdering black civilians.

            I know you’re not a stupid person so you must be doing this intentionally. Why?

          4. Nigel

            Because thinking the police murdering people and getting away with it is bad = ‘woke’
            ‘Woke’ = disliking Trump, Johnson, Tories, Brexit, privatising healthcare etc.
            ‘Woke ‘= bad
            Thinking the police murdering people is bad = bad.
            BLM = bad
            Black people = responsible for all crimes committed by black people
            QED!

          5. Charger Salmons

            You might have a point if black BLM protestors and not the whitey college students with a bit of time on their hands at weekends marched in black areas to ask black people to stop killing each other.
            But they don’t.
            So you don’t.
            White wokes shout ” fupp the police ” and call for them to be disfunded right up to the moment they feel a knife at their throat accompanied by an impolite request to hand over their wallet.
            Then they wet themselves.

          6. Nigel

            So, yeah, black people should be held responsible for all black crime. There’s a word for this view.

            And isn’t it funny how your little pro-police fantasy came across as a violent threat? When your argument is that the police should be allowed to kill you with impunity or they’ll let criminals kill you with impunity, I think there might be something very wrong.

          7. ReproBertie

            Is your position really that because people are not protesting against citizens breaking the law their protest against LEOs breaking the law has no standing?

            The calls to defund the police are calls to use some of their funding to fund social programmes to tackle the causes of crime. It’s not simply about cutting their funds but calling for an investment in prevention.

  5. Johnny

    in order to write something on weed/cannabis in Ireland I’m doing some background research on what happened-these 3 companies are approved suppliers/dealers.

    Aurora Cannabis Enterprises Inc., 4439 Township Road 304, Cremona, Alberta, Canada, T0M 0R0 clientcare@auroramj.com

    MGC Pharmaceuticals d.o.o., Kamniška ulica 29, 1000, Ljubljana, Slovenia ashok@ipslabs.co.uk

    Tilray Canada Ltd., 1100 Maughan Road, Nanaimo, BC, V9X 1J2, Canada EUdocumentrequest@tilray.com

    Tilray and Aurora I’m very familiar with the other one no idea, over next few days/weeks I will profile and do a Depp Dive into both which had retained lobbyists to get licenses in Ireland-its Big Weed or suits v stoners.

    The info is all here:
    https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/90ece9-medical-cannabis-access-programme/

    The program is a disaster by any metric,Ireland is blowing a once in a lifetime opportunity to be the EU center for medical cannibis cultivation,manufacturing and research.

    Tilray and Aurora have both got absolutely crushed lately,with their stock prices collapsing,questions about their survival,this is who Irish govt is licensing, start ups with no track record,lots leverage and poorly executed plans.

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