Bojonaro – how long before the currency is changed to the ruble?
Charger Salmons
I was hoping Bodger might mark the occasion with something special but just in case he’s already on the turps celebrating Happy Boris Day those good folk at Guido Fawkes have reminded everyone that today is the first anniversary of Johnson becoming leader of the Conservative Party.
Since then he’s sent Magic Grandpa packing, delivered Brexit and won a stonking 80-seat majority in a general election.
Obviously Max Headroom is a more formidable opponent than Corbyn but Labour voters who switched to Boris won’t forget he remained loyal to Jezza throughout the worst of the anti-semitic abuse that was going on.
Then there’s this picture.
I have a feeling it’s going to come back to haunt him in the future.
Worth a read and relevant to Ireland – an article by Prof. Carl Heneghan,director of Oxford’s Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine, who has previously made some significant contributions to the unfolding Covid narrative in the UK. (eg. the overcounting of Covid deaths in England by the PHE).
According to Heneghan, due to known problems with the accuracy of the testing kits, there will always be a certain percentage of test results that will be false positives. New positive cases would still continue to be diagnosed even in the scenario were the virus is no longer actually active among the population
Continuing on down the road of “test, test, test” may mean the virus will never disappear.
So 70- odd of the 560 positives are false positives?
Ah well. It’s just a flu.
f_lawless
Can you explain a bit more about your calculation. I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make or what your figures are based on. From what I can see, ‘Active cases’ in Ireland are officially at ‘701’ as of today but it’s unclear how many tests were made in total during the period the 701 figure built up. What percentage is it of the total cases carried out? I’m not sure either how one moves from being classed as an “active case” to not active. Are they retested periodically?
But anyway is it relevant to the hypothetical future scenario posed in the article where the virus is no longer active but a number of false positive cases continue to appear – the amount of which depending on the number of tests being made?
…Oxford Professor – check
Evidence-based -check
Corvid deaths – check
Over-counting – check
Spectator link – send
SOQ
In NI, Scotland and Wages, they only record CoVid-19 as a factor if the deceased was tested within the previous three weeks so I expect they just count three weeks forward for the active cases?
…the morning shift has arrived…nice slip there on Wales…reminds me of that song:
…the Welsh have their speech
Her poets are paid about tenpence a week
Provided no harsh word on England they speak
oh dear, what a price for devotion…
Cian
Sorry, I was using UK numbers (as it was a UK article).
Yesterday they had 560 positive results. The 70 false positives was an estimate based on the number of tests yesterday with at a specificity of 99.9%.
In Ireland there have been 579,088 tests producing 25,819 positives. Again, at 99.9% this suggests that there were 580 false positives. Which still leaves 25,000 correct positives.
John
Your assumptions are based on a randomised sample,
Can you adjust your calculations to account for the biasing of the people who where tested towards people showing symptoms and contacts of same.
It would also be useful to analyse the proportion of the sample that were a genuine random sample e.g. people who are requesting tests without symptoms or contacts or testing by employers who require all employees to be tested etc.
580 false positives seems excessive
Cian
This is all finger in the air – since we don’t know with the specificity is.
But if we use the numbers for the article (99.9%) I’m suggesting that it would reduce the Irish figures by less than 2.5% – so it is not significant.
John
False positives and false negatives are always an issue with testing, you dont have to look any further than the cervical smear testing for that.
The big assumption that the article is making though is that you are randomly testing the population. In Ireland we are mostly testing people with symptoms or people who have had a contact with a confirmed case. While this does not have any impact on the absolute accuracy of the test it does completely skew your ability to determine what the accuracy of the test is, as you are not working from a randomised sample, your sample is skewed towards people who actually have the virus.
Matt Pilates
No Daily Star? Usually the only headlines worth reading.
All that money and still turns out as mutton dressed like pork.
Matt Pilates
EVERYONE: Think about Poor Kanye. Especially as he has a new album out this Friday.
Andy Pipkin
In all fairness the man is not well in the numbskull department, I think most of staff have left.
You can be a billionaire but it counts for nothing if you’ve nobody at the controls!!
scottser
it’s an interesting debate; how many people would forego their stigma about mental health to vote kanye to be president?
obviously you want a president to be stable, rational and empathetic, and god knows there have been a few psychopaths in that role in the last while. I guess the difference is that voters in the states voted for someone who invariably turned out to be something else but with kanye you know you’re going to get a terrible president from the off.
Cian
“that voters in the states voted for someone who invariably turned out to be something else ”
Which president is this aimed at?
scottser
take your pick – nixon, clinton, bush sr all spring to mind.
Nigel
Remember when they voted for Reagan but the the Scooby Gang pulled off his mask and it turned out to be Old Man Marsden, the gardener, trying to scare everyone out of the White House because they kept stepping on his petunias?
scottser
would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn’t for those pesky kids…
Cian
Hmmm
Nixon and Clinton were both re-elected as president. So the voters knew after 4 years what they were dealing with… and choose to keep them.
Granted. Bush Sr. didn’t get a second term.
Johnny Green
Poor Kanye.Biblical.
“On Good Friday, the virus took the life of Sister Mary Luiza Wawrzyniak, 99. By the end of the month, eleven other sisters had passed; seventeen more were infected but recovered, according to Sr. Noel Marie Gabriel, the director of clinical health services for Our Lady of Hope Province. A thirteenth sister, despite an initial recovery, passed away in June.” https://time.com/5869948/13-nuns-felician-sisters-die-coronavirus-michigan/
italia'90
That’s a massive torpedo to the biased narrative
on the good ship Covid 19.
Sweden just released their
excess death total for Jan-July 2020
Yes it is a bit higher than the previous 6 year average
BUT
it’s lower than the average from 1990 – 2012
No Lockdown
No destroyed economy
They admitted early that they made some mistakes in not protecting the vulnerable.
And a reported 10% to 14% usage of masks throughout the pandemic
In other news, Covid has apparently almost cured the flu in South America too!
Matt Pilates
No more cans for you until Friday.
italia'90
Feic off ya feen!
I’ve just got the better of a 3 day champagne induced hangover
Let me have one more can… please boss?
Matt Pilates
It didn’t end well for Cowen. Take the lesson.
italia'90
I’ll cross that cul de sac when I slur me words on the wireless
SOQ
I wonder is the Swedish people getting the vaccine sales pitch too?
SOQ
Are you a mask bandit, suffering from an irrational fear reflex?
Do you have a link to that?
The Economist has a graph for Sweden that shows they had negative excess deaths (~-100 per week) for the first 10 weeks of the year, followed by a big spike of +800 in mid April.. which has dropped down toward 0.
Germany and Denmark are strange – they have huge negative excess deaths trough for the first 10 weeks followed by the same scale peak – it looks like the numbers who didn’t die in Jan Feb dies in April May.
Gabby
The Daily Star as usual gets down to basics. Forget Russia, China, Kashmir, Afghanistan and Brexit.
Charger Salmons
You know how people laughed when details emerged of the government’s staycation scheme of vouchers to boost the hospitality and tourist industry because it wouldn’t start until September when all the kids are back at school ?
It gets even better.According to the Indo it won’t start till October and only run to April.
Even as we speak thousands of families are planning getaways at the Roscommon Travelodge for the mid-term break at the end of October.
And others are looking forward to a much-needed winter break on the Costa del Alliteration.
Glamping in a gale in Galway.
Sun-bathing in a snowstorm in Sligo.
Or Christ it’s cold to be caravanning in Connemara.
The ineptitude of this new government is unfolding at an alarming pace.
Pip
I can’t get over the Father Ted-ness of the Green List.
It has given me hours of amusement.
Charger Salmons
My chums on the mainland have had a giggle at Greenland.
And of course the only way to get to Monaco is via a country not on the green list unless you go by helicopter.
You would think someone at the highest level of government would have suggested the green list names would be open to some ridicule.
Mehole needs a Dom.
…doh…my knowledge of geography is as bad as my knowledge of footie…one cold, remote island with a tiny population is easily confused with another in my eagerness to hit the back of the net…
Charger Salmons
Never mind, there’s always next time.
As England supporters are used to saying by now…
GiggidyGoo
FG having a right old laugh at FFs expense. Send out the village idiot, Micheal Martin, with all sorts of idiotic schemes, put him in front of the cameras and watch him burn. In the meantime, Varadkar hones his skills as the alternative ‘common sense’ fellow.
I’ll say one thing for FG – they sure do know how to destroy smaller ‘friendly’ parties.
It can’t go on like this for FF. Someone has to make a stand within that party and there needs to be a rout. The BOGOF, yellow pack, Taoiseach is a disgrace to the party – and all just to have the title ‘Taoiseach’ for a while.
GiggidyGoo
Is there a Little Chef at Travelodges still?
dav
no, only underpaid, exploited staff
Charger Salmons
I’ve never used a Travelodge so I couldn’t tell you.
But I occasionally bed down at a Premier Inn at Gatwick North before an early flight.
Very comfortable bed, decent full English WITH beans and about 50 sovs a night.
Sorted.
GiggidyGoo
You must have booked well in advance. Premier Inns are usually very comfortable. Stayed in one in Ayr a few years ago. I can’t say the same about UK Travelodges however. Stayed in one in London and another in Edinburgh, and both were stinking dirty.
Charger Salmons
Yup.
I have two upcoming Gatwick North bookings made a couple of months ago where I paid £36 a night.
Great value in Dubai as well.
Some excellent flight bargains out of LGW for the intrepid traveller.
The ineptitude of this new government is unfolding at an alarming pace
Sorry Charage
The Fianna Fail wing of this Government most definitely
In fact I’d go further than the politeness of ineptitude
His MM has finally showed his true abilities to be leader
Less than nothing
I’d do a better job meself
The man is completely lacking in any ability or skill to Govern
Or make decisions that are capable of holding up – in any weather
He’s got this far from hanging onto the coattails of former eFFers such as Cowan the Big, Lenihan Jnr, Hanifan and Ahern (the Dermot one)
And of course Harney who took over from him in Health, and she was capable of generating so much shade – not even a nettle would grow there
Prior to 2011 he was sitting comfortably at the back of the FF bus letting Ahern (the Bertie one) Cowen, O’Donoghue and Lenihan Jnr take the full impact of the crash that all but wrote them off
He got a ‘hospital pass’ till 2016, and from then he hid under the Confidence & Supply agreement – knowing full well Fianna Fail still weren’t in a fit State to get anywhere at National level
And after the Frances Fitz blustering and blowharding – led by Jim O’Callaghan btw
He retreated under Brexit
And he flip flopped on Repeal
He has one legislative win to his name, one
The smoking ban
Even Mary Harney has a better record in the Dáil
Now that he is steering the ship, he has been found out
The writing on the wall was his refusal to consider a Unity Poll
But his ultimate collapse and the death penalty for Fianna Fail was his refusal to parley with Sinn Fein
Watch the stray FF TDs and also rans scoot over to the Sinn Fein tickets next time round
While his handful of loyalists try and find room for themselves with the Blueshirts
If he was a leader of any merit
He’d have campaigned on a Peoples Assembly, and a Unity Poll, and cleared the way for a Republican Government
Where in he absolutely would have had to assemble the best of the best available to sit around the Cabinet with him
His inferiority Complex is making the decisions
We’re f::ked lads
Charger Salmons
We agree.
I’ve met him a couple of times.
Uninspiring doesn’t do him justice.
He’s got that BMW 3 series- driving travelling rep for a cleaning products firm bang off him.
A History teacher on a career break
He worked as Minister for Health, Minister for Ed, Minister for Foreign Affairs and Minister for Enterprise Trade & Employment, and then Taoiseach
Some going for a lad that might have managed to reach Deputy Principal by now had he stayed in Pres
Just shows how far mediocre can go in Irish Politics
SOQ
This is a Twitter thread by Francis Hoar- Barrister, specialist in election/public, commercial & employment law in the UK highlighting the legal risk of shop keepers demanding the compulsory wearing of masks by people with disabilities. I expect the same will arise here.
“Any person refusing a service or to sell a product to a disabled person by reason of their disability is liable to that person unless they have a statutory defence.
That they haven’t told you is unlikely to be a defence. By the nature of their disability, some with depression (etc) will be reluctant to tell you about it. Indeed, being asked is in itself likely to exacerbate their symptoms.
The only way a shop can avoid the risk of many expensive law suits is to order its staff not in any circumstances to ask why a person is not wearing a mask and not to bar entry if they aren’t.”
it’s already been mentioned, although not discussed to the extent it should be, that people with a hearing problem might need to lip read, so when staff wear masks it places that customer in a position of unnecessary difficulty.
the security aspect of everyone wearing face coverings is another obvious issue that conveniently doesn’t get discussed.
SOQ
I think that is the reason face visors are now accepted on public transport. The core point here is that some medical information is confidential and shops do not have the right to inquire about such.
Cian
The regulation for wearing masks on public transport is interesting.
You must wear a mask unless you have a reasonable excuse. The excuses are quite broad but the onus is on the passenger to establish the reasonable excuse.
Reasonable excuse
6. Without prejudice to the generality of what constitutes reasonable excuse for the purposes of Regulation 5(1), a person has reasonable excuse if –
(a) the person cannot put on, wear or remove a face covering –
(i) because of any physical or mental illness, impairment, or disability, or
(ii) without severe distress,
(b) the person needs to communicate with a person who has difficulties communicating (in relation to speech, language or otherwise),
(c) the person removes the face covering to provide emergency assistance or to provide care or assistance to a vulnerable person,
(d) the person removes the face covering to avoid harm or injury, or the risk of harm or injury,
(e) the person removes the face covering in order to, and only for the time required to, take medication.
and then if someone isn’t wearing a mask:
Powers of relevant person
7. (1) Where a relevant person reasonably believes that a person travelling by public transport vehicle (in this Regulation referred to as a “passenger”) is not wearing a face covering in accordance with Regulation 5, he or she may do any of the following:
(a) request the passenger to wear a face covering;
(b) refuse the passenger entry to a public transport vehicle;
(c) request the passenger to alight from a public transport vehicle.
(2) Before exercising a power under paragraph (1) in respect of a passenger, a relevant person shall give the passenger an opportunity to provide reasonable excuse and may request the passenger to provide such information as the relevant person considers necessary to determine whether or not the passenger has reasonable excuse.
(3) Notwithstanding paragraph (2), the onus shall be on a passenger to establish, to the satisfaction of the relevant person, that he or she has reasonable excuse
(my emphasis)
SOQ
Declaring a mental illness is not something someone should have to do in a public place and besides- how can a guard prove otherwise? And what qualifies a non medical inspector to determine what is or is not an acceptable condition?
Oh and careful of your wording there- the reference is to face coverings, not just masks. Visors are face coverings and they are acceptable too.
Nigel
This would be less of an issue if there wasn’t so much anti-mask agitation and stupidity. If people weren’t grandstanding about their rights to not hide behind cowardly masks or whatever, then anyone without a mask could be left alone on the assumption that they have a good reason.
@SOQ Why not?
If you want to park in a Disabled parking space you need to declare your disability – by displaying a badge.
If you want to get on a bus without wearing a mask face covering – you need to declare your reason. Not a detailed medical reasons – but be willing to say “I can’t wear any face coverings for genuine medical reasons”.
Note: forgetting you mask isn’t a genuine medical reason. Not wanting to wear a mask isn’t a genuine medical reason. Being a selfish bottomhole isn’t a genuine medical reason.
SOQ
Actually, as above- forgetting your face covering can be a genuine reason with certain medical conditions. As for the exemption system- like the UK that is fine if it was up and running first but it is not- neither country has implemented such.
Will a guard or other inspector accept the statement “I cannot wear a face covering for genuine medical reasons?” I doubt it.
Now if it gets to the point where a disabled person cannot travel or go into a shop then you can be certain that legal action will be taken because as it stands, it is bad law.
Cian
Forgetting you mask is not a genuine medical reason. Get off the bus.
Someone may have a medical condition that means they forget their mask. Stay on the bus.
These are two different things.
SOQ
From the Francis Hoar link above-
“It is also a symptom of depression, dementia and other conditions that sufferers are disorganised and forgetful, meaning they’d be likely to forget any medical certificate.”
GiggidyGoo
We have had a number of homeless people’s deaths this past week. Not the headlines that we had a couple of years ago. Have we become immune to them now?
Johnny
leading astrologist Rand Paul.
“The people we are lauding are actually making catastrophic decisions,” he said.
“I think Gov. Cuomo should be impeached … for the disastrous decision he made to send patients with coronavirus back to nursing homes. … Virtually half his people who died were in nursing homes,”
..lockdowns “killed the economy but didn’t do any good for trying to contain the virus.”
“Muppets Now,” a new series on Disney+, is the latest attempt to take Kermit the Frog and his fuzzy companions back to their anarchic sketch comedy roots.”
It’s just one person’s opinion, of course.
I would imagine there are some haters who would disagree …
*** Pulls red velvet cover off the WINKY-WOOometer and checks a couple of dials to see if everything is working tickety-boo ***
Pat Mustard
What successful treatment ? There is 56,000 dead people in just 5 months. One of the worst excess death figures in the world.
Charger Salmons
How’s the Irish search for a vaccine going ?
Joe F
Here you go again clown man, picking out positive things about your beloved Disunited Kingdom. As I said before you should be press secretary for Bozo, ignore all the chaos around you old boy, and carry on regardless. What about the mortality rate?? UK 4th highest, San Marino & Andorra (combined death 94) 2 of the countries above them. That’s marvelous old boy As I said our lads aren’t up to much,but as for Bozo and Trump…..
Nice picture of Bozo on the front page of the Times today by the way old boy?
Don’t see any comments of yours about that here, unlike your comments when he was in a photo shoot with people he was in hospital with.
Oh yeah, Bozo really has that human touch old boy.
Johnny Green
this is real,he’s in a hole in Fla of his own making with no way out,lose Fla it’s all over.
…In the race for the White House, former Vice President Joe Biden opens up a big lead over President Trump. Voters back Biden 51 – 38 percent over Trump. In an April 22nd poll, it was close with Biden at 46 percent and Trump at 42 percent….
MORE to follow
Bojonaro – how long before the currency is changed to the ruble?
I was hoping Bodger might mark the occasion with something special but just in case he’s already on the turps celebrating Happy Boris Day those good folk at Guido Fawkes have reminded everyone that today is the first anniversary of Johnson becoming leader of the Conservative Party.
Since then he’s sent Magic Grandpa packing, delivered Brexit and won a stonking 80-seat majority in a general election.
https://order-order.com/2020/07/23/happy-boris-day/
Marvellous stuff.
Obviously Max Headroom is a more formidable opponent than Corbyn but Labour voters who switched to Boris won’t forget he remained loyal to Jezza throughout the worst of the anti-semitic abuse that was going on.
Then there’s this picture.
I have a feeling it’s going to come back to haunt him in the future.
https://twitter.com/Gaza55585483/status/1286260298169679873/photo/1
Can’t see this going down a storm in the Whippet and Ferret Arms.
https://twitter.com/Gaza55585483/status/1286260298169679873
Worth a read and relevant to Ireland – an article by Prof. Carl Heneghan,director of Oxford’s Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine, who has previously made some significant contributions to the unfolding Covid narrative in the UK. (eg. the overcounting of Covid deaths in England by the PHE).
According to Heneghan, due to known problems with the accuracy of the testing kits, there will always be a certain percentage of test results that will be false positives. New positive cases would still continue to be diagnosed even in the scenario were the virus is no longer actually active among the population
Continuing on down the road of “test, test, test” may mean the virus will never disappear.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-many-covid-diagnoses-are-false-positives-
So 70- odd of the 560 positives are false positives?
Ah well. It’s just a flu.
Can you explain a bit more about your calculation. I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make or what your figures are based on. From what I can see, ‘Active cases’ in Ireland are officially at ‘701’ as of today but it’s unclear how many tests were made in total during the period the 701 figure built up. What percentage is it of the total cases carried out? I’m not sure either how one moves from being classed as an “active case” to not active. Are they retested periodically?
But anyway is it relevant to the hypothetical future scenario posed in the article where the virus is no longer active but a number of false positive cases continue to appear – the amount of which depending on the number of tests being made?
…Oxford Professor – check
Evidence-based -check
Corvid deaths – check
Over-counting – check
Spectator link – send
In NI, Scotland and Wages, they only record CoVid-19 as a factor if the deceased was tested within the previous three weeks so I expect they just count three weeks forward for the active cases?
…the morning shift has arrived…nice slip there on Wales…reminds me of that song:
…the Welsh have their speech
Her poets are paid about tenpence a week
Provided no harsh word on England they speak
oh dear, what a price for devotion…
Sorry, I was using UK numbers (as it was a UK article).
Yesterday they had 560 positive results. The 70 false positives was an estimate based on the number of tests yesterday with at a specificity of 99.9%.
In Ireland there have been 579,088 tests producing 25,819 positives. Again, at 99.9% this suggests that there were 580 false positives. Which still leaves 25,000 correct positives.
Your assumptions are based on a randomised sample,
Can you adjust your calculations to account for the biasing of the people who where tested towards people showing symptoms and contacts of same.
It would also be useful to analyse the proportion of the sample that were a genuine random sample e.g. people who are requesting tests without symptoms or contacts or testing by employers who require all employees to be tested etc.
580 false positives seems excessive
This is all finger in the air – since we don’t know with the specificity is.
But if we use the numbers for the article (99.9%) I’m suggesting that it would reduce the Irish figures by less than 2.5% – so it is not significant.
False positives and false negatives are always an issue with testing, you dont have to look any further than the cervical smear testing for that.
The big assumption that the article is making though is that you are randomly testing the population. In Ireland we are mostly testing people with symptoms or people who have had a contact with a confirmed case. While this does not have any impact on the absolute accuracy of the test it does completely skew your ability to determine what the accuracy of the test is, as you are not working from a randomised sample, your sample is skewed towards people who actually have the virus.
No Daily Star? Usually the only headlines worth reading.
There now. Worth the wait.
Cheers. It was. Classic.
+1
Absolutely classy!
WTF is Kim wearing
Looks like crumbed ham
Anyone?
Hang Sangwest?
All that money and still turns out as mutton dressed like pork.
EVERYONE: Think about Poor Kanye. Especially as he has a new album out this Friday.
In all fairness the man is not well in the numbskull department, I think most of staff have left.
You can be a billionaire but it counts for nothing if you’ve nobody at the controls!!
it’s an interesting debate; how many people would forego their stigma about mental health to vote kanye to be president?
obviously you want a president to be stable, rational and empathetic, and god knows there have been a few psychopaths in that role in the last while. I guess the difference is that voters in the states voted for someone who invariably turned out to be something else but with kanye you know you’re going to get a terrible president from the off.
“that voters in the states voted for someone who invariably turned out to be something else ”
Which president is this aimed at?
take your pick – nixon, clinton, bush sr all spring to mind.
Remember when they voted for Reagan but the the Scooby Gang pulled off his mask and it turned out to be Old Man Marsden, the gardener, trying to scare everyone out of the White House because they kept stepping on his petunias?
would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn’t for those pesky kids…
Hmmm
Nixon and Clinton were both re-elected as president. So the voters knew after 4 years what they were dealing with… and choose to keep them.
Granted. Bush Sr. didn’t get a second term.
Poor Kanye.Biblical.
“On Good Friday, the virus took the life of Sister Mary Luiza Wawrzyniak, 99. By the end of the month, eleven other sisters had passed; seventeen more were infected but recovered, according to Sr. Noel Marie Gabriel, the director of clinical health services for Our Lady of Hope Province. A thirteenth sister, despite an initial recovery, passed away in June.”
https://time.com/5869948/13-nuns-felician-sisters-die-coronavirus-michigan/
That’s a massive torpedo to the biased narrative
on the good ship Covid 19.
Sweden just released their
excess death total for Jan-July 2020
Yes it is a bit higher than the previous 6 year average
BUT
it’s lower than the average from 1990 – 2012
No Lockdown
No destroyed economy
They admitted early that they made some mistakes in not protecting the vulnerable.
And a reported 10% to 14% usage of masks throughout the pandemic
In other news, Covid has apparently almost cured the flu in South America too!
No more cans for you until Friday.
Feic off ya feen!
I’ve just got the better of a 3 day champagne induced hangover
Let me have one more can… please boss?
It didn’t end well for Cowen. Take the lesson.
I’ll cross that cul de sac when I slur me words on the wireless
I wonder is the Swedish people getting the vaccine sales pitch too?
Are you a mask bandit, suffering from an irrational fear reflex?
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1284336996987604995.html
Do you have a link to that?
The Economist has a graph for Sweden that shows they had negative excess deaths (~-100 per week) for the first 10 weeks of the year, followed by a big spike of +800 in mid April.. which has dropped down toward 0.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/07/15/tracking-covid-19-excess-deaths-across-countries
Germany and Denmark are strange – they have huge negative excess deaths trough for the first 10 weeks followed by the same scale peak – it looks like the numbers who didn’t die in Jan Feb dies in April May.
The Daily Star as usual gets down to basics. Forget Russia, China, Kashmir, Afghanistan and Brexit.
You know how people laughed when details emerged of the government’s staycation scheme of vouchers to boost the hospitality and tourist industry because it wouldn’t start until September when all the kids are back at school ?
It gets even better.According to the Indo it won’t start till October and only run to April.
Even as we speak thousands of families are planning getaways at the Roscommon Travelodge for the mid-term break at the end of October.
And others are looking forward to a much-needed winter break on the Costa del Alliteration.
Glamping in a gale in Galway.
Sun-bathing in a snowstorm in Sligo.
Or Christ it’s cold to be caravanning in Connemara.
The ineptitude of this new government is unfolding at an alarming pace.
I can’t get over the Father Ted-ness of the Green List.
It has given me hours of amusement.
My chums on the mainland have had a giggle at Greenland.
And of course the only way to get to Monaco is via a country not on the green list unless you go by helicopter.
You would think someone at the highest level of government would have suggested the green list names would be open to some ridicule.
Mehole needs a Dom.
…heard someone say it was like a world Cup draw…bet Iceland took the smirk of a few tan faces…
That joke would work if Iceland was on the green list of 15 countries.
A reminder once again – Greenland is not Iceland.
Doh !
…doh…my knowledge of geography is as bad as my knowledge of footie…one cold, remote island with a tiny population is easily confused with another in my eagerness to hit the back of the net…
Never mind, there’s always next time.
As England supporters are used to saying by now…
FG having a right old laugh at FFs expense. Send out the village idiot, Micheal Martin, with all sorts of idiotic schemes, put him in front of the cameras and watch him burn. In the meantime, Varadkar hones his skills as the alternative ‘common sense’ fellow.
I’ll say one thing for FG – they sure do know how to destroy smaller ‘friendly’ parties.
It can’t go on like this for FF. Someone has to make a stand within that party and there needs to be a rout. The BOGOF, yellow pack, Taoiseach is a disgrace to the party – and all just to have the title ‘Taoiseach’ for a while.
Is there a Little Chef at Travelodges still?
no, only underpaid, exploited staff
I’ve never used a Travelodge so I couldn’t tell you.
But I occasionally bed down at a Premier Inn at Gatwick North before an early flight.
Very comfortable bed, decent full English WITH beans and about 50 sovs a night.
Sorted.
You must have booked well in advance. Premier Inns are usually very comfortable. Stayed in one in Ayr a few years ago. I can’t say the same about UK Travelodges however. Stayed in one in London and another in Edinburgh, and both were stinking dirty.
Yup.
I have two upcoming Gatwick North bookings made a couple of months ago where I paid £36 a night.
Great value in Dubai as well.
Some excellent flight bargains out of LGW for the intrepid traveller.
The ineptitude of this new government is unfolding at an alarming pace
Sorry Charage
The Fianna Fail wing of this Government most definitely
In fact I’d go further than the politeness of ineptitude
His MM has finally showed his true abilities to be leader
Less than nothing
I’d do a better job meself
The man is completely lacking in any ability or skill to Govern
Or make decisions that are capable of holding up – in any weather
He’s got this far from hanging onto the coattails of former eFFers such as Cowan the Big, Lenihan Jnr, Hanifan and Ahern (the Dermot one)
And of course Harney who took over from him in Health, and she was capable of generating so much shade – not even a nettle would grow there
Prior to 2011 he was sitting comfortably at the back of the FF bus letting Ahern (the Bertie one) Cowen, O’Donoghue and Lenihan Jnr take the full impact of the crash that all but wrote them off
He got a ‘hospital pass’ till 2016, and from then he hid under the Confidence & Supply agreement – knowing full well Fianna Fail still weren’t in a fit State to get anywhere at National level
And after the Frances Fitz blustering and blowharding – led by Jim O’Callaghan btw
He retreated under Brexit
And he flip flopped on Repeal
He has one legislative win to his name, one
The smoking ban
Even Mary Harney has a better record in the Dáil
Now that he is steering the ship, he has been found out
The writing on the wall was his refusal to consider a Unity Poll
But his ultimate collapse and the death penalty for Fianna Fail was his refusal to parley with Sinn Fein
Watch the stray FF TDs and also rans scoot over to the Sinn Fein tickets next time round
While his handful of loyalists try and find room for themselves with the Blueshirts
If he was a leader of any merit
He’d have campaigned on a Peoples Assembly, and a Unity Poll, and cleared the way for a Republican Government
Where in he absolutely would have had to assemble the best of the best available to sit around the Cabinet with him
His inferiority Complex is making the decisions
We’re f::ked lads
We agree.
I’ve met him a couple of times.
Uninspiring doesn’t do him justice.
He’s got that BMW 3 series- driving travelling rep for a cleaning products firm bang off him.
A History teacher on a career break
He worked as Minister for Health, Minister for Ed, Minister for Foreign Affairs and Minister for Enterprise Trade & Employment, and then Taoiseach
Some going for a lad that might have managed to reach Deputy Principal by now had he stayed in Pres
Just shows how far mediocre can go in Irish Politics
This is a Twitter thread by Francis Hoar- Barrister, specialist in election/public, commercial & employment law in the UK highlighting the legal risk of shop keepers demanding the compulsory wearing of masks by people with disabilities. I expect the same will arise here.
“Any person refusing a service or to sell a product to a disabled person by reason of their disability is liable to that person unless they have a statutory defence.
That they haven’t told you is unlikely to be a defence. By the nature of their disability, some with depression (etc) will be reluctant to tell you about it. Indeed, being asked is in itself likely to exacerbate their symptoms.
The only way a shop can avoid the risk of many expensive law suits is to order its staff not in any circumstances to ask why a person is not wearing a mask and not to bar entry if they aren’t.”
https://threader.app/thread/1285491835415285761
it’s already been mentioned, although not discussed to the extent it should be, that people with a hearing problem might need to lip read, so when staff wear masks it places that customer in a position of unnecessary difficulty.
the security aspect of everyone wearing face coverings is another obvious issue that conveniently doesn’t get discussed.
I think that is the reason face visors are now accepted on public transport. The core point here is that some medical information is confidential and shops do not have the right to inquire about such.
The regulation for wearing masks on public transport is interesting.
You must wear a mask unless you have a reasonable excuse. The excuses are quite broad but the onus is on the passenger to establish the reasonable excuse.
Reasonable excuse
6. Without prejudice to the generality of what constitutes reasonable excuse for the purposes of Regulation 5(1), a person has reasonable excuse if –
(a) the person cannot put on, wear or remove a face covering –
(i) because of any physical or mental illness, impairment, or disability, or
(ii) without severe distress,
(b) the person needs to communicate with a person who has difficulties communicating (in relation to speech, language or otherwise),
(c) the person removes the face covering to provide emergency assistance or to provide care or assistance to a vulnerable person,
(d) the person removes the face covering to avoid harm or injury, or the risk of harm or injury,
(e) the person removes the face covering in order to, and only for the time required to, take medication.
and then if someone isn’t wearing a mask:
Powers of relevant person
7. (1) Where a relevant person reasonably believes that a person travelling by public transport vehicle (in this Regulation referred to as a “passenger”) is not wearing a face covering in accordance with Regulation 5, he or she may do any of the following:
(a) request the passenger to wear a face covering;
(b) refuse the passenger entry to a public transport vehicle;
(c) request the passenger to alight from a public transport vehicle.
(2) Before exercising a power under paragraph (1) in respect of a passenger, a relevant person shall give the passenger an opportunity to provide reasonable excuse and may request the passenger to provide such information as the relevant person considers necessary to determine whether or not the passenger has reasonable excuse.
(3) Notwithstanding paragraph (2), the onus shall be on a passenger to establish, to the satisfaction of the relevant person, that he or she has reasonable excuse
(my emphasis)
Declaring a mental illness is not something someone should have to do in a public place and besides- how can a guard prove otherwise? And what qualifies a non medical inspector to determine what is or is not an acceptable condition?
Oh and careful of your wording there- the reference is to face coverings, not just masks. Visors are face coverings and they are acceptable too.
This would be less of an issue if there wasn’t so much anti-mask agitation and stupidity. If people weren’t grandstanding about their rights to not hide behind cowardly masks or whatever, then anyone without a mask could be left alone on the assumption that they have a good reason.
As above Nigel.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1284336996987604995.html
Sure, if that becomes the scientific consensus. But it’s not.
Is there a scientific consensus- really?
Yes. That wearing a mask contributes to keeping the spread of the virus. You are bravely fighting back against this tyrannical narrative, remember?
Because my willy warmer (XXL) videos were removed from YouTube because of size fitting issues…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyofmYqqcVU
@SOQ Why not?
If you want to park in a Disabled parking space you need to declare your disability – by displaying a badge.
If you want to get on a bus without wearing a
maskface covering – you need to declare your reason. Not a detailed medical reasons – but be willing to say “I can’t wear any face coverings for genuine medical reasons”.Note: forgetting you mask isn’t a genuine medical reason. Not wanting to wear a mask isn’t a genuine medical reason. Being a selfish bottomhole isn’t a genuine medical reason.
Actually, as above- forgetting your face covering can be a genuine reason with certain medical conditions. As for the exemption system- like the UK that is fine if it was up and running first but it is not- neither country has implemented such.
Will a guard or other inspector accept the statement “I cannot wear a face covering for genuine medical reasons?” I doubt it.
Now if it gets to the point where a disabled person cannot travel or go into a shop then you can be certain that legal action will be taken because as it stands, it is bad law.
Forgetting you mask is not a genuine medical reason. Get off the bus.
Someone may have a medical condition that means they forget their mask. Stay on the bus.
These are two different things.
From the Francis Hoar link above-
“It is also a symptom of depression, dementia and other conditions that sufferers are disorganised and forgetful, meaning they’d be likely to forget any medical certificate.”
We have had a number of homeless people’s deaths this past week. Not the headlines that we had a couple of years ago. Have we become immune to them now?
leading astrologist Rand Paul.
“The people we are lauding are actually making catastrophic decisions,” he said.
“I think Gov. Cuomo should be impeached … for the disastrous decision he made to send patients with coronavirus back to nursing homes. … Virtually half his people who died were in nursing homes,”
..lockdowns “killed the economy but didn’t do any good for trying to contain the virus.”
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/508581-rand-paul-calls-for-cuomo-to-be-impeached-over-coronavirus-response
Fantastic David Grohl,on teachers in The Atlantic ,his single mom was a public school teacher.
In Defense of Our Teachers
“When it comes to the daunting question of reopening schools, America’s educators deserve a plan, not a trap.”
https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2020/07/dave-grohl-pandemic-reopening-schools-health-teachers/614422/
It’s Time to Re-Re-Re-Meet the Muppets.
where’s my papers.
https://youtu.be/x6647smCPHQ
“Muppets Now,” a new series on Disney+, is the latest attempt to take Kermit the Frog and his fuzzy companions back to their anarchic sketch comedy roots.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/23/arts/television/muppets-now-disney.html
http://www.bloomberg.com/amp/opinion/articles/2020-07-22/british-response-to-covid-19-has-been-world-class
It’s just one person’s opinion, of course.
I would imagine there are some haters who would disagree …
*** Pulls red velvet cover off the WINKY-WOOometer and checks a couple of dials to see if everything is working tickety-boo ***
What successful treatment ? There is 56,000 dead people in just 5 months. One of the worst excess death figures in the world.
How’s the Irish search for a vaccine going ?
Here you go again clown man, picking out positive things about your beloved Disunited Kingdom. As I said before you should be press secretary for Bozo, ignore all the chaos around you old boy, and carry on regardless. What about the mortality rate?? UK 4th highest, San Marino & Andorra (combined death 94) 2 of the countries above them. That’s marvelous old boy As I said our lads aren’t up to much,but as for Bozo and Trump…..
Nice picture of Bozo on the front page of the Times today by the way old boy?
Don’t see any comments of yours about that here, unlike your comments when he was in a photo shoot with people he was in hospital with.
Oh yeah, Bozo really has that human touch old boy.
this is real,he’s in a hole in Fla of his own making with no way out,lose Fla it’s all over.
…In the race for the White House, former Vice President Joe Biden opens up a big lead over President Trump. Voters back Biden 51 – 38 percent over Trump. In an April 22nd poll, it was close with Biden at 46 percent and Trump at 42 percent….
https://poll.qu.edu/florida/release-detail?ReleaseID=3668