Et Tu, Mary Lou?


Sinn Féin President Mary Lou McDonald

This morning.




41 thoughts on “Et Tu, Mary Lou?

  1. Rob_G

    SF are a big party now (the biggest!), if you hadn’t heard, so hardly that surprising that they would vote in favour of a motion that is in their own interests.

      1. Vanessanelle

        Shur’ they don’t have ta

        They’ve enough weigh in their surpluses alone to have everyone not Fine Gael bricking another Election

        The Government are playing the exact game Sinn Féin want

          1. Rob_G

            Undoubtedly, yes.

            It’s all fun and games giving SF a #1 as a protest vote to punish the sitting government for its lacklustre delivery of housing, but in the case when the poop hits the fan (the pandemic, Brexit), I think only genuine zealots would prefer to see Mary Lou (plus Gerry pulling the strings) instead of calm, stolid Coveney & Varadker.

          2. Brother Barnabas

            maybe FG would gain – based on early handling of pandemic and PUP – but FF would lose. would one offset the other? either way, Greens wont get anywhere near Feb’s vote again.

            we’ll find out in the autumn

          3. sidhe

            it is very ‘on brand’ for Rob_G but to be fair to him I don’t think he’s far from the mark here

            FF haven’t covered themselves in glory since getting into government and the greens are an absolute mess

            SF may well still be able to capitalise on the success of the previous election, but I think FG have managed to recoup a lot of lost ground since the beginning of the year

          4. GiggidyGoo

            ‘A Lot Better’.
            You’d have to define what ‘a lot’ means. A 10% improvement on their last outing – would that be ‘a lot’?

          5. Rob_G

            Leo’s satisfaction rate at the time of the election was (AFAIR) down at 25 or 30%; the most recent poll (which in fairness was a while ago) had him at 70%. I don’t think that it would be an enormous leap to suppose that, failing some major gaffe, FG would do better in an election tomorrow.

          6. Brother Barnabas

            jesus…doesnt bear thinking about

            (although down 12, up 10… theyd still be down)

          7. GiggidyGoo

            @ Rob The question was whether ‘FG’ would do ‘a lot’ better though – not Varadkar. Plus my views on polls are well known. They’re not very accurate. The only polls that count are the actual votes.

        1. Cian

          If FF and FG had only put 40 candidates forward in the last election (like SF did) they would have had similar surpluses.

          The next GE campaign will cause huge issues for FF/FG – they will need to adopt a very clear hierarchy for vote preferences in each constituency to ensure their candidates don’t split the vote and not get anyone elected.

          SF will do this too – but they are starting from a position of only having one candidate in each constituency – so can enforce a “current TD gets #1; new candidate get #2” more easily.

          1. Brother Barnabas

            fortunately there’s a strong sense of unity and commitment to doing what’s best for the party within FF

          2. Brother Barnabas

            the way FF tds stomped across one another to get their fat faces deep into the trough said a lot about current state of that party imo

          3. Vanessanelle

            there must be at least three if not four seperate factions within the eFF PP at the moment

            and Jaysus knows what’s going on out an about the Cumanns

          4. bisted

            …that’s as close to acknowledging the merger of FFG Cian…would you be in favour of extending that voting pact to the greens…or the old reliable – labour…

          5. Cian

            I phrased that in way that was misconstrued. I meant both the FF and FG parties separately.
            “The next GE campaign will cause huge issues for FF– they will need to adopt a very clear hierarchy for vote preferences in each constituency to ensure their candidates don’t split the vote and not get anyone elected.

            The next GE campaign will also cause huge issues for FG – they will need to adopt a very clear hierarchy for vote preferences in each constituency to ensure their candidates don’t split the vote and not get anyone elected. “

    1. Brother Barnabas

      if they’re ever going to get into government, theyll need support from those smaller parties – SD, PBP, Inds

      1. Rob_G

        Also true – but if they ever get into government, it would still be in their interest for bigger parties to have a greater proportion of the speaking time.

    2. Vanessanelle


      This is big bold pants level Politics

      They’ve had since the 2nd week of February to organise themselves
      And if they didn’t see this coming
      They’ve a lot of copping on to do

      Surprised the SocDems didn’t recognise the weight of Sinn Fein on their own side of the house was going to end up looking like this

      Get better at Dáil politicking lads
      Or start planning yere next jobs

      1. Mary (Never) Wong

        I actually agree
        Sinn Féín have no clear interest in promoting the speaking rights of other leftist parties who are their natural enemy in our parliamentary system.

        And standing there as big as life
        And smiling with his eyes
        Says Joe, ‘What they forgot to kill’
        ‘Went on to organize’
        ‘Went on to organize.’

  2. Broadbag

    Think it’s a stinky move by SF, but maybe they’re sick of the leftists raising the same old guff and bringing the same old failed populist motions to the chamber ad nauseum, SF want more time to spout their own guff and promote their own failed populist motions, which in fairness, does make sense.

  3. goldenbrown

    I don’t really believe SF are “Left” politically speaking
    their world view, raison d’etre, is a 32 county Ireland
    with them in sole charge of it
    that’s the agenda, everything else is a sidebar

    1. Rob_G

      This is more of a a reflection on the fickle nature of the Irish electorate; in just 18 months, SF went from losing one-third of their council seats and two-thirds of their MEPs to doubling their first preference vote in the general election.

      1. GiggidyGoo

        I wouldn’t term it fickle. There were just 1200 people polled. I’d term it ‘bull’

  4. Pee Pee

    Very dumb move by Sinn Fein. We live in a world where everything is immediately reactive. Nothing gets hidden away in a small column in a newspaper anymore. The world is now demanding fairness and equality for all. Complete lack of awareness from SF.

    1. dav

      Agreed, the government over the past few weeks were shooting themselves in booth feet whilst stuffing them into their mouths, the shinners have now provided such fools with an assist in silencing the voices of the left.

  5. RuilleBuille

    The six smaller opposition political parties and groupings have a total of 39 TDs will have a combined 120 minutes of speaking time on legislation and Sinn Féin, with 37 TDs, will have 35 minutes of speaking time.

    And those Trots elected in February got in on the coat tails of SF saying ‘vote left’!

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