49 thoughts on “Friday’s Papers

    1. Gerry

      Read it, good idea.

      The best thing about the proposal in the article is that only those with medical contraindications would be allowed to opt out, there would be no idiots freeloading on the general herd immunity while contributing nothing.

      Also the proposal is that it be free.

      As for the Irish Times promoting a similar idea, I hope so.

      Civil war, lol.

      1. Sirtuffyknight

        You honestly think forcibly injecting people with a rushed-through vaccine (of which the long-term consequences can’t possibly be known, and for which pharmaceutical companies are already indemnified against potential lawsuits) is a good thing?

        1. Cian

          If 99% of the population gets a vaccine this provides herd immunity to the other 1%.
          A vaccine in itself isn’t herd immunity but it provides herd immunity when taken by the herd.

          If I am a slow learner – can you explain what I’m missing.

          1. Junkface

            +1 Cian!

            This is how it worked for Smallpox, Polio, Measles. It has been recorded scientifically and historically, anyone who tells otherwise does not have an accurate understanding of vaccines. I blame social media

    2. Cian

      It is interesting. I don’t know if it would be constitutionally sound to force vaccines.
      Perhaps they/we should have a referendum on this question of mandatory vaccination – and then go with the majority. It could even be done as a we need 60% (or 75% or 85%) to vote yes to pass this.

      1. The Old Boy

        You would have to have a referendum to amend Article 47 to allow for amendment of the Constitution by super-majority voting first.

        1. Cian

          If mandatory vaccination isn’t unconstitutional then it wouldn’t be a referendum per se – as it wouldn’t need to change the constitution it would be a plebiscite and they could set any limits.

      2. SOQ

        Meanwhile in France, Dr. Raoult- he who conducted the first hydroxychloroquine trails, has received death treats.

        He filed a complaint with the police, and a medical doctor from a Nantes university hospital was identified as the culprit.

        This ‘gentleman’ was then proven to receive substantial funding from Gilead pharmaceuticals who are touting their drug remdesivir as a potential option to treat the disease.

        Dirty doesn’t even begin to describe it all.

      1. f_lawless

        Thanks dav, for providing a perfect illustration of the point made by Dr. Daniels:-

        “We’ve got to look at all of the data rather than any one dataset in isolation”
        “What we can’t do is consider the two entities completely in isolation (ie. a rise in cases after a rise in testing & a continued trend in near zero deaths and hospitalisations)

        Tucked away at the end of that Journal article: “five further deaths. Four of the newly recorded deaths are from April and June”. but the article gives no consideration as to how this changes the context of a rise in case numbers.

        1. SOQ

          That is just common sense.

          The more testing the more cases which only proves that the fatality rate is way lower than estimated. And, when they say ‘test’ one assumes they are only testing for live virus, not anti bodies and certainly not t cells.

          This all reminds of the scare around MRSA- a big killer infection- except it turned out that many people were infected with MRSA who never even knew.

          1. Cian

            how is that article in any way relevant to COVID?

            Are you suggesting that the COVID test is faulty and nobody really has it?

  1. GiggidyGoo

    A major cluster was at a cooked meat plant in Offaly. Meats (cooked at the plant) are then chilled and sent out to retail outlets.
    Covid-19 survives longer on surfaces that are cooler. Doesn’t that bring into question the safety of these ready to eat meats coming from a plant with a cluster, major or minor?

    1. dav

      Is this your speculation? or is their any evidence that people can catch covid from Cooked (and lets be clear everybody cooks meat at 180 C+) meat.

      1. GiggidyGoo

        Im questioning whether, after the meat has been cooked in the factory, and it’s then chilled in the factory, whether and transfer of the virus can happen after the chilling process, The meat is sliced when cool, and it’s distributed when chilled.
        Questioning is different than speculation.

          1. GiggidyGoo

            Naw – I tried that other mine of information NigelyWigely, but as usual it came up blank.

        1. Janet, dreams of big guns

          I have had Brady’s ham, partial to a toastie, no sign of contamination so far

          1. Janet, dreams of big guns

            thanks for the tip ! I normally go to the butchers but got drenched yesterday and dived into my nemesis of a shop, Tesco

          2. goldenbrown

            most Supervalu’s have it now in the sliced pack, a smidge dearer but you more than get what you pay for. if you’re down Cork direction I’ve also seen fillets of it for sale you could slice yourself

            it’s done German style, old school slightly smoked, drier and not as rubbery as the rest

        2. Mary (Never) Wong

          Surprised you haven’t zeroed in on the direct provision angle at Brady’s Ham

          1. GiggidyGoo

            Says the child, zeroing in on one of his favorite topics. Toddle along lad. You just keep proving me correct.

  2. class wario

    why do the government continue to shrug their shoulders when it comes to virus clusters in meat factories/DP centres? why is it still being couched in terms of individual responsibility and not below par working conditions and exploitative bosses?

    1. Janet, dreams of big guns

      because they are a shower of self serving egomaniac cu*ya,
      I think this is an answer that works for most questions asking why Ireland is driven like a spluttering overcrowded bus full of chickens and people with travel sickness by a drunk monk around the bends of a hymalayan mountain

      1. Kate

        The three rescued trafficked lads in North Cork recently (found shoplifting through hunger) had their wages going to the suspected criminal from yet another meat factory. Some 30 workers crammed into a house . Cead mile failte to Ireland eh.

        1. SOQ

          And that is the other side of the immigration debate- every dodgy money hungry scumbag has homed in on the exploitation of those people. I know the WRC is very active in this area but that is only with the outfits they know about.

        2. Vanessanelle

          You’d think all these food safety inspectors and Bord Bia quality mark Examiners
          And I suppose big retail buyers too
          Would have something to say about the welfare of staff engaged by these brands
          How is it that all these external observers and regulators are more interested in how clean the floors are than they are about the health and wellbeing of the factory floor staff

          Maybe it’s just me
          But I think that’s just as important a quality check as how compliant their packaging room is

        1. Janet, dreams of big guns

          must be an Android glitch I thought the first time you put this up it disappeared :)

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