…with an 80 seat majority and no chance of an election for four years…both the opposition party leaders are Lords…growing popularity in traditional labour heartlands…Scotland probably independent before the next election…where did it all go wrong Boris?
Formerly known as @ireland.com
Boris’ massive blue wall might decide they should have a new leader to take them to the next election. Bozo won’t give Scotland the opportunity to vote themselves out, unfortunately.
Q Celt
If Scotland leaves UK will be Tory forever. Be careful what you wish for.
…I support democratic outcomes…NI and Scotland both voted to remain in the EU…brexit was the impetus NI needed to break from the UK and it’s well on it’s way…I expect a Hong Kong type of arrangement to emerge in NI, aka, having your cake and eating it…as for England, there’s a bigger difference here between FF and FG than between Blairites and Thatcherites…
Ben
If Scotland wales England just people
f_lawless
Asked if Ireland’s ‘wet’ pubs will open again this year, Tánaiste @LeoVaradkar
says “I can’t say that with any certainty. What I can say is that we are now the only country in Europe in which wet pubs are not allowed to open”, but #Covid19 cases need to stabilise and fall first.
We’re being treated like gormless idiots at this point – or else being led them. This is beyond any reason that I can see. Why is our government continuing to send the economy down the tubes?
The more testing done the more “new cases” are going to appear. The tests can’t distinguish between an active infection and viral debris. Viral debris is known to linger for up to 3 months or so. The tests will always return a certain number of false positives. Why are the numbers of deaths and hospitalisations now no longer mentioned as a metric for judging the level of risk? Surely that’s the bottom line – but as the weeks pass with zero or near zero figures, this seems to have become irrelevant to policy.
(From Aug 17th) Prof Carl Heneghan poses a rhetorical question:
“Just asking: there are 47,600 pubs in the UK (let’s say 1000 week through the door) that’s nearly 300M people in 6 weeks – How many outbreaks in that time and what’s the risk?”
(Answer: no more than a handful of pubs have had cases. Conclusion: pubs in the UK are not acting as vectors for the spread of the virus)
Cian
5 times the UK population went into pubs in the UK?
Clampers Outside
Reminds me of website stat bloating.. . It’s repeat visits Cian.. . I’m sure he meant ‘visits made’ rather than individuals.
Cian
Yeah I get that.
But you are saying every man, woman and child in the UK visited a pub 5 times in 6 weeks. Or 12% of the population visited a pub every day for 6 weeks.
“Some of the nation’s leading public health experts are raising a new concern in the endless debate over coronavirus testing in the United States: The standard tests are diagnosing huge numbers of people who may be carrying relatively insignificant amounts of the virus.
Most of these people are not likely to be contagious, and identifying them may contribute to bottlenecks that prevent those who are contagious from being found in time. But researchers say the solution is not to test less, or to skip testing people without symptoms, as recently suggested by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Instead, new data underscore the need for more widespread use of rapid tests, even if they are less sensitive.”
SOQ
You beat me to it with that one Formely. It would make sense that the viral load is an important factor in determining how infectious someone is- or not.
What is interesting is that there appears to be no standard of sensitivity and that “commercial manufacturers and laboratories set their own.”- which is absolutely crazy. A sample could be sent to two different labs and come back with the completely different results.
Formerly known as @ireland.com
SOQ – I am uncomortable with the situation where I agree with aspects of your comments here :) . I expect EU labs to use a single standard, which would help provide some consistency, at least.
SOQ
In fairness this topic is not new- Prof Carl Heneghan wrote about it on the 20th July in The Spectator.
@ F_lawless- here is a graphic from Tony Murray @MintMurray0. It overlays positive results on testing from data.gov.ie- the similarities are quite striking.
I saw that alright but when I tried to verify it either with the government data source he gave (on the twitter thread where he originally shared the graph) or on this site:
the figures didn’t seem to match exactly with his graph. That could easily have been down to my limited ability to read the data properly but in any case it made me a bit wary of it. Were you able to verify it for yourself?
SOQ
No- the site kept timing out for some reason,
Cian
More misinformation.
His blue line “tests” seem to be correct, but the “positives” is completely wrong.
This link shows the number of positives per day (you’ll need to copy and paste because of the ..): If you change the radio button to “tests” you get his blue graph. The orange positive should look like this:
It’s nonsense. Open the pubs. Even if they change/restrict the hours, it has to be done. It’s embarrassing: can they not ‘trust’ the people who have been so compliant?
Janet, dreams of big guns
meanwhile in Paris distancing non public transport is being recover to accommodate the rentrée
Janet, dreams of big guns
*on public
Janet, dreams of big guns
omg I can’t think on a Sunday morning, my apologies, gets up to make coffee
Ben
If alcohol is the problem then ban the sale of it
A publican is trained through his job way we are living with this dictates the end of music the theatre the arts
Soon life in Ireland will resemble something but for all the sexes
GiggidyGoo
Government may ask ESB to ‘help’ with broadband rollout. Well, now that the contract for €3,000,000,000 has been activated (Actavoted), let’s now provide the winning ‘bidder’ with the tools to to it (again FOC). Dinny and the blue shorts are really giving us the two fingers.
Definitely not Bluetooth or Bluegrass
Or Bluefins or Blueberries or Bluecross
Ben
Just wait for Elon musks it’s self and all the operators that operate here
Cú Chulainn
I see the aliens have been called in to augment the psycho seagulls.. cutting edge reporting from the Star..
SOQ
Two major anti lockdown protests yesterday in London and Berlin. How many turned up to each depends on who you read but the London estimate of 10 k seems low. Trafalgar Square holds 30 k and it appeared quite full. It was unfortunate that David Icke spoke because that is what the media has focused in on- as they would.
The march afterwards seemed to go for ever but with so many black and Asian people in attendance, poor antifia must have been very confused- well, more than usual that is.
Not sure what happened in Berlin- the police moved to cancel the event but there were live streams of some sort of large gathering with people giving speeches. Again, hard to put real numbers on it but 18 k was mentioned.
goldenbrown
yes and I hear the lads in London landed The Son Of God himself as a keynote speaker
that’s quite the coup
Q Celt
+1
f_lawless
In this video of RFK jr speaking, there are some glimpses here and there which give some sense of the scale of it https://youtu.be/RloipY83ljg
“50 years ago my uncle, John Kennedy, came to this city.
He came here to Berlin because Berlin was the front line against global totalitarianism.
Today Berlin is again the front line against global totalitarianism.
He proudly said to the people of Germany, ‘Ich bin ein Berliner’.
All of us who are here again today can proudly say ‘Ich bin ein Berliner’ “
Nigel
‘I am a doughnut!’
‘Yes! We are all doughnuts!’
realPolithicks
rfkjr is a well known anti vaxx crackpot, which is why what he has to say suits your argument.
is posting links to Twitter feeds an editing offence these days? straight question just to know the rules like
Q Celt
Surely ESB becoming involved in the broadband roll out would not be allowed under the public procurement directive and state aid rules. But then who knows what to expect given the tender process was not compliant with the directive.
Anyone know why individual government departments are allowed to tender, children’s hospital, broadband, etc, when OGP exists
Liam Deliverance
Is it not also time that with such a large tender as the NBP that we are constantly updated as to their progress and if they are meeting targets. I would imagine people, either residential or business’s, are planning projects, investments, relocations etc etc based on the progress of the plan and available broadband access.
I looked at the website,nbi.ie, it has information such as “. . in the coming weeks, x will be rolled out” but no date stamp as to when this piece of information was published or when this target date will be reached. This is no doubt by design.
In the past, a project like this would be 2/3rds of the way in when they would eventually say we have lost of control of this project, it will not be delivered in 2024 but is now delayed to 2028 and there will increased costs associated with the delay. Now is the time to know if they are on schedule.
In line with what others have being saying that the pandemic is being used as a pretext by global policy makers in the west to usher in long held plans for a new AI tech-driven system of governance allowing for much greater surveillance and a major social restructuring. The US-led western globalists see the implementation of this as essential in the ongoing geopolitical struggle with China
All we need to know was on Brendan R1 today
The GP rep on the NPET – Inbetween interruptions from the big man, was constantly refering to them using an algorithm to manage any breakouts in schools. Not parents or teachers or GPs or local community health officials. Computer Code.
What, bumbling Boris is less popular, now that his incompetence has become more obvious! Enjoy Brexit, Charger (where ever you are).
…with an 80 seat majority and no chance of an election for four years…both the opposition party leaders are Lords…growing popularity in traditional labour heartlands…Scotland probably independent before the next election…where did it all go wrong Boris?
Boris’ massive blue wall might decide they should have a new leader to take them to the next election. Bozo won’t give Scotland the opportunity to vote themselves out, unfortunately.
If Scotland leaves UK will be Tory forever. Be careful what you wish for.
…I support democratic outcomes…NI and Scotland both voted to remain in the EU…brexit was the impetus NI needed to break from the UK and it’s well on it’s way…I expect a Hong Kong type of arrangement to emerge in NI, aka, having your cake and eating it…as for England, there’s a bigger difference here between FF and FG than between Blairites and Thatcherites…
If Scotland wales England just people
Asked if Ireland’s ‘wet’ pubs will open again this year, Tánaiste @LeoVaradkar
says “I can’t say that with any certainty. What I can say is that we are now the only country in Europe in which wet pubs are not allowed to open”, but #Covid19 cases need to stabilise and fall first.
https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1299403464049602566
We’re being treated like gormless idiots at this point – or else being led them. This is beyond any reason that I can see. Why is our government continuing to send the economy down the tubes?
The more testing done the more “new cases” are going to appear. The tests can’t distinguish between an active infection and viral debris. Viral debris is known to linger for up to 3 months or so. The tests will always return a certain number of false positives. Why are the numbers of deaths and hospitalisations now no longer mentioned as a metric for judging the level of risk? Surely that’s the bottom line – but as the weeks pass with zero or near zero figures, this seems to have become irrelevant to policy.
Meanwhile
https://twitter.com/carlheneghan/status/1295257884926914561
(From Aug 17th) Prof Carl Heneghan poses a rhetorical question:
“Just asking: there are 47,600 pubs in the UK (let’s say 1000 week through the door) that’s nearly 300M people in 6 weeks – How many outbreaks in that time and what’s the risk?”
(Answer: no more than a handful of pubs have had cases. Conclusion: pubs in the UK are not acting as vectors for the spread of the virus)
5 times the UK population went into pubs in the UK?
Reminds me of website stat bloating.. . It’s repeat visits Cian.. . I’m sure he meant ‘visits made’ rather than individuals.
Yeah I get that.
But you are saying every man, woman and child in the UK visited a pub 5 times in 6 weeks. Or 12% of the population visited a pub every day for 6 weeks.
That sounds bonkers.
This is interesting…from the NY Times.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/health/coronavirus-testing.html
“Some of the nation’s leading public health experts are raising a new concern in the endless debate over coronavirus testing in the United States: The standard tests are diagnosing huge numbers of people who may be carrying relatively insignificant amounts of the virus.
Most of these people are not likely to be contagious, and identifying them may contribute to bottlenecks that prevent those who are contagious from being found in time. But researchers say the solution is not to test less, or to skip testing people without symptoms, as recently suggested by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Instead, new data underscore the need for more widespread use of rapid tests, even if they are less sensitive.”
You beat me to it with that one Formely. It would make sense that the viral load is an important factor in determining how infectious someone is- or not.
What is interesting is that there appears to be no standard of sensitivity and that “commercial manufacturers and laboratories set their own.”- which is absolutely crazy. A sample could be sent to two different labs and come back with the completely different results.
SOQ – I am uncomortable with the situation where I agree with aspects of your comments here :) . I expect EU labs to use a single standard, which would help provide some consistency, at least.
In fairness this topic is not new- Prof Carl Heneghan wrote about it on the 20th July in The Spectator.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-many-covid-diagnoses-are-false-positives-
just fyi soq – that link doesnt work
(though I know you’ve posted it before )
This link?
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-many-covid-diagnoses-are-false-positives-
linky no worky
Definitely works for me- is it a geographical issue maybe?
Doesn’t work for me either, queenie.
Works for me.
Ok what about this one?
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/it-s-a-mistake-to-think-all-positive-covid-tests-mean-the-same
Can you see the core site at all?
yes, that works
thanks
Cheers SOQ
…maybe you had your DodgyLinks filter on?
@ F_lawless- here is a graphic from Tony Murray @MintMurray0. It overlays positive results on testing from data.gov.ie- the similarities are quite striking.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgdIldZX0AIZdS4?format=jpg&name=small
I saw that alright but when I tried to verify it either with the government data source he gave (on the twitter thread where he originally shared the graph) or on this site:
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-08-08..2020-08-27&country=~IRL&casesMetric=true&interval=smoothed&smoothing=7&pickerMetric=total_deaths_per_million&pickerSort=desc
the figures didn’t seem to match exactly with his graph. That could easily have been down to my limited ability to read the data properly but in any case it made me a bit wary of it. Were you able to verify it for yourself?
No- the site kept timing out for some reason,
More misinformation.
His blue line “tests” seem to be correct, but the “positives” is completely wrong.
This link shows the number of positives per day (you’ll need to copy and paste because of the ..): If you change the radio button to “tests” you get his blue graph. The orange positive should look like this:
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-08-01..2020-08-27&country=~IRL&casesMetric=true&interval=daily&smoothing=0&pickerMetric=total_deaths_per_million&pickerSort=desc
It’s nonsense. Open the pubs. Even if they change/restrict the hours, it has to be done. It’s embarrassing: can they not ‘trust’ the people who have been so compliant?
meanwhile in Paris distancing non public transport is being recover to accommodate the rentrée
*on public
omg I can’t think on a Sunday morning, my apologies, gets up to make coffee
If alcohol is the problem then ban the sale of it
A publican is trained through his job way we are living with this dictates the end of music the theatre the arts
Soon life in Ireland will resemble something but for all the sexes
Government may ask ESB to ‘help’ with broadband rollout. Well, now that the contract for €3,000,000,000 has been activated (Actavoted), let’s now provide the winning ‘bidder’ with the tools to to it (again FOC). Dinny and the blue shorts are really giving us the two fingers.
Remember Michilín back in 2019? https://www.thejournal.ie/fianna-fail-broadband-4626499-May2019/ “if FF were in power”.?
Blueshirts, not blue shorts of course.
Bluetits
Perhaps
Mebbe Bluenoses
Definitely not Bluetooth or Bluegrass
Or Bluefins or Blueberries or Bluecross
Just wait for Elon musks it’s self and all the operators that operate here
I see the aliens have been called in to augment the psycho seagulls.. cutting edge reporting from the Star..
Two major anti lockdown protests yesterday in London and Berlin. How many turned up to each depends on who you read but the London estimate of 10 k seems low. Trafalgar Square holds 30 k and it appeared quite full. It was unfortunate that David Icke spoke because that is what the media has focused in on- as they would.
The march afterwards seemed to go for ever but with so many black and Asian people in attendance, poor antifia must have been very confused- well, more than usual that is.
Not sure what happened in Berlin- the police moved to cancel the event but there were live streams of some sort of large gathering with people giving speeches. Again, hard to put real numbers on it but 18 k was mentioned.
yes and I hear the lads in London landed The Son Of God himself as a keynote speaker
that’s quite the coup
+1
In this video of RFK jr speaking, there are some glimpses here and there which give some sense of the scale of it
https://youtu.be/RloipY83ljg
“50 years ago my uncle, John Kennedy, came to this city.
He came here to Berlin because Berlin was the front line against global totalitarianism.
Today Berlin is again the front line against global totalitarianism.
He proudly said to the people of Germany, ‘Ich bin ein Berliner’.
All of us who are here again today can proudly say ‘Ich bin ein Berliner’ “
‘I am a doughnut!’
‘Yes! We are all doughnuts!’
rfkjr is a well known anti vaxx crackpot, which is why what he has to say suits your argument.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/05/08/robert-kennedy-jr-measles-vaccines-226798
“antivaxx crackpot..”
Please explain..
What about this crackpot?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/10/12/business/jeffrey-epstein-bill-gates.amp.html
yes and I hear the lads in London landed The Son Of God himself as a keynote speaker
https://twitter.com/davidicke/status/1299738706853724166
that’s quite a coup
hey Bodger
is posting links to Twitter feeds an editing offence these days? straight question just to know the rules like
Surely ESB becoming involved in the broadband roll out would not be allowed under the public procurement directive and state aid rules. But then who knows what to expect given the tender process was not compliant with the directive.
Anyone know why individual government departments are allowed to tender, children’s hospital, broadband, etc, when OGP exists
Is it not also time that with such a large tender as the NBP that we are constantly updated as to their progress and if they are meeting targets. I would imagine people, either residential or business’s, are planning projects, investments, relocations etc etc based on the progress of the plan and available broadband access.
I looked at the website,nbi.ie, it has information such as “. . in the coming weeks, x will be rolled out” but no date stamp as to when this piece of information was published or when this target date will be reached. This is no doubt by design.
In the past, a project like this would be 2/3rds of the way in when they would eventually say we have lost of control of this project, it will not be delivered in 2024 but is now delayed to 2028 and there will increased costs associated with the delay. Now is the time to know if they are on schedule.
My AM post re Lucinda Cretin / Radio 1 doesn’t seem to have made the cut
Boo
And this would have been the perfect PS
https://www.newstalk.com/news/government-announces-e50-million-extra-funding-rte-five-years-936110?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=article&utm_medium=web
Didn’t I say they needed 100m
(They still do, and that’s what they asked for )
They’ll have to make do with 50 / 5 yrs (as if .·´¯`(>▂<)´¯`·.)
Notable article by Naomi Klein
“Pandemic Shock Doctrine”
https://theintercept.com/2020/05/08/andrew-cuomo-eric-schmidt-coronavirus-tech-shock-doctrine/
In line with what others have being saying that the pandemic is being used as a pretext by global policy makers in the west to usher in long held plans for a new AI tech-driven system of governance allowing for much greater surveillance and a major social restructuring. The US-led western globalists see the implementation of this as essential in the ongoing geopolitical struggle with China
All we need to know was on Brendan R1 today
The GP rep on the NPET – Inbetween interruptions from the big man, was constantly refering to them using an algorithm to manage any breakouts in schools. Not parents or teachers or GPs or local community health officials. Computer Code.
Algorithms are our overlords
Get used to it lads