WHO’s In The House

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Dr Mike Ryan, Executive Director of the World Health Organization’s Emergencies Programme

Speaking on RTÉ’s Today with Claire Byrne, Dr Ryan said that although younger people may suffer a less severe version of the disease, it is not guaranteed that this will be the case and that there is always the risk of passing it to older populations.

If the disease is passed onto older generations again, he said, the hospitals will refill and “this is not something we want to see”.

Dr Ryan said it is not known yet about what kind of protection people will have if they contract the disease.

Anyone?

Ongoing shift of virus to younger adults – WHO expert Ryan (RTÉ)

Meanwhile…

Back in April.

Dr Ryan (@1.15) suggests entering homes and removing suspected Covid-19 patients.

Good times.

Meanwhile…

Oh.

54 thoughts on “WHO’s In The House

          1. Cian

            I’d better unwarp my brain then and watch that video again. I’m sure I didn’t hear Dr Ryan mention the Gardaí the first time I watched.

          2. Pat Mustard

            You can’t and you won’t unwarp. Years of being brought up in your little fg cult renders you unable to do anything but conform.

            The gardai will be present hand under the guise of “maintaining public order” and you know it.

  1. Ragamuffin

    He’s totally right, for some people this virus will leave them permanently disabled. I got a bad virus a few years ago and it totally changed my life. I can no longer exercise, work full time, do normal things like meet up with friends. I feel tired & fluey, almost all the time, and there’s very little hope of recovery even though I’m only in my mid-30s. It can be labelled post-viral syndrome / chronic fatigue syndrome /ME, all these labels come with baggage. But the bottom line is: I caught a virus, something went very wrong in my body, and I never got well again.

    I wouldn’t wish this on my worst enemy to be honest. We need to do everything we can to limit the spread of this virus, and protect as many people as possible from these long term effects.

    Research is being done around the world on so-called “Long Covid”, and it seems that many covid patients (even the fit, young & healthy) are not recovering as hoped. If you are interested in learning more The Atlantic’s coverage by Ed Yong has been excellent: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/08/long-haulers-covid-19-recognition-support-groups-symptoms/615382/

  2. Qwerty123

    Yes, we all know from Broadsheet, that the WHO are merely a mouthpiece for the Bill gates driven new world order to control us with their mind controlling vaccines.

  3. GiggidyGoo

    The hospitals will refill, he says. Were our hospitals full?
    I think the open-shirted doctor is winging it.

    1. SOQ

      + CoVid-1984

      As for the ‘WHO Mask Study Seriously Flawed’ article- WHO have already admitted the advice on masks was politically influenced but nobody seems to know by who- WHO gettit?

      They are however very careful not to recommend mandatory mask wearing to nation states- because they know that they don’t make a blind bit off difference.

      1. Daisy Chainsaw

        Based on one tweet and the fact that the WHO didn’t “deny”, reported by a conspiracy theory propaganda website.

        A non response to a tweet is not confirmation.

        1. f_lawless

          Daisy you’re misinformed. What you’re dismissively referring to was an investigative piece on BBC’s Newsnight

          https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/12/creeping-mask-tyranny-far-concerning-rules/

          “An investigation by Deborah Cohen for Newsnight found evidence that WHO scientific advisers had been lobbied by politicians, something they failed to deny”

          Also the idea that certain members of the WHO might be acting on behalf of vested interests rather than in the common good, isn’t far-fetched at all. During the 2009 Swine Flu pandemic, certain leading WHO scientists pushed governments into stockpiling several millions worth of vaccines. The level of danger proved to be completely over-hyped and the vaccines were never used. Those scientists were later put under investigation and found to have been acting under the sponsorship of pharmaceutical corporations. The lead investigator at the time called it “the biggest medical scandal of the 21st century”

          1. Cian

            The publicans have been lobbying the government for 6 months to reopen the pubs for all the good it has done them.

            Just because someone was lobbied doesn’t mean that it affected their decision.

          2. f_lawless

            @ Daisy What I know is that she said various sources of hers told her that the WHO reviewing committee on mask policy weren’t going to change their recommendations but did so due to political lobbying . She has a right to protect the confidentiality of her sources under UK and international law.

            @Cian Political lobbying would certainly be a plausible explanation as to why in July 2020 the WHO suddenly rejected all the empirical evidence from the numerous randomised control trials that previously informed their public policy on masks in favour of weaker evidence (ie. the flawed Lancet meta-study of observational studies).

            Can you offer a more plausible explanation in light of the BBC medical correspondent’s claims?

  4. Junkface

    There were also new reports on the news last night that further study of covid 19 patients shows that it attacks and degenerates heart tissue. This is definitely NOT a seasonal virus, nothing seasonal does this. The longer we study the long term effects on some patients, the stranger the results seem to be on our bodies.

      1. Junkface

        There were between 0 and 60 deaths recorded in the last 24 hrs in many countries across Europe. It seems to be higher in Eastern Europe now. Turkey for example had 52 deaths. It’s not nothing. Maybe medical treatments are improving, viral loads are lower because of mask wearing, less indoor shared spaces in public, there are many factors that could be in action here. I’m not a scientist or working in medicine, this is a Novel corona virus though, so we will be learning about everything it does as time goes by.

        But it doesn’t matter what anyone says, you have made up your mind about the whole thing, so there’s no point in debating.

        Tell me, what seasonal virus do you know of which damages the heart and neurological links to taste and smell long term? Or that can last up to 5 months even with fit people in their 20’s and 30’s? https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54031587

        1. Micko

          “Tell me, what seasonal virus do you know of which damages the heart and neurological links to taste and smell long term?”

          Flu can do that Junkface

          From the CDC:

          Sinus and ear infections are examples of moderate complications from flu, while pneumonia is a serious flu complication that can result from either influenza virus infection alone or from co-infection of flu virus and bacteria. Other possible serious complications triggered by flu can include inflammation of the heart (myocarditis), brain (encephalitis) or muscle (myositis, rhabdomyolysis) tissues, and multi-organ failure (for example, respiratory and kidney failure). Flu virus infection of the respiratory tract can trigger an extreme inflammatory response in the body and can lead to sepsis, the body’s life-threatening response to infection. Flu also can make chronic medical problems worse. For example, people with asthma may experience asthma attacks while they have flu, and people with chronic heart disease may experience a worsening of this condition triggered by flu.

          No one is saying that Covid isn’t dangerous, it’s whether we want to continue to dismantle our society and economy for it.

          Is the cure being worse than the disease?

        2. SOQ

          This virus has most defiantly followed a seasonal pattern so far- it has the exact same spike and tail off as all others.

          Secondly it is not ‘novel’ because if it was, it would not be called ‘Corona’- which it is, and has 80% of the same dna as the others.

          As for long term compilations- the jury is out on that one because most of those people would have had commodities so it is a bit more complicated than just saying it was one single virus which caused their current conditions.

          My recurrent point is that we need to keep a sense of perspective about all of this- 25 people a day- EVERY DAY- die of cancer in Ireland and that is set to ramp up significantly because the initial diagnostics and treatments were not available.

          1. SOQ

            No it is not but the earlier it is caught, the more chance of survival. I myself have a friend who’s long cancer treatment was put on hold for over 3 months- and she’s not on her own.

          2. Junkface

            “There are many types of human coronaviruses including some that commonly cause mild upper-respiratory tract illnesses. COVID-19 is a new disease, caused by a novel (or new) coronavirus that has not previously been seen in humans.”

            https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/faq.html#:~:text=In%20COVID%2D19%2C%20'CO,mild%20upper%2Drespiratory%20tract%20illnesses.

            I agree that we need to take full care of cancer patients, we should not endanger their lives, but we have to make sure that cancer patients needing treatments are not put in danger of catching covid 19 when going for appointments and check ups. That means taking all precautions with medical staff wearing PPE. We need to find a way of living with the disease until there is a vaccine ready. We can do that with localised lockdowns, test and trace, and wearing masks indoors in shops etc. Not shutting down the entire country again. Economically its too destructive.

          3. SOQ

            But that si not what is happening Junk- a lot of treatments and checks are still being cancelled and there are plenty of health care staff sitting around, as they have been right through this thing, with nothing to do.

      2. Ragamuffin

        Firstly, the current rolling 7 day average for Covid deaths in EU is 151 (according to FT’s tracking chart) not 0.

        Secondly, the point of the above statement by Dr Ryan is that we shouldn’t just be thinking about deaths, when so many people are being left with life long illness.

        For a moment imagine there was another polio epidemic, we wouldn’t just be thinking about the death rate, we would also be looking at how many people were left permanently disabled. It is looking increasingly likely that long-covid is going to cause chronic illness for a large percentage of those infected. A 6 month follow up study in Italy is saying that could be as high as 50% not making a full recovery, https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/09/08/bergamo-italy-covid-longterm/?arc404=true

        1. SOQ

          You may be right Ragamuffin but at the moment there is no real evidence that long term serious complications are widespread- and I am pretty sure it would be all over the media if there was.

          There is well documented evidence that ventilators will damage the lungs however, especially in combination with a bad case of CoVid-19;. Anyone who survived ICU ventilator type treatments are not going to be as fit as they were beforehand- I am currently watching such with a family member and she never even had CoVid-19.

          But again as with my point to Junk- how many of these people had commodities in the first place?

    1. SOQ

      What is interesting is that the ICU number of 6 has not changed but 3 fatalities have occurred which would infer that those 3- may they Rest in Peace- were already too ill or frail to be admitted into ICU.

      1. Junkface

        Wikipedia is better than the Bible. It contains a lot more facts, although its not perfect, its still pretty good from a general knowledge point of view on many subjects.

        Actually the Bible is mostly nonsense that was edited down from over 60 different versions up until the 6th Century.

          1. Pat Mustard

            Media bias fact check

            ROFL x millions

            Run by Dave Van Zandt, of the council on foreign relations.

            Pull your head out of the sand and stop self owning.

    1. f_lawless

      Suggestion: why not use your own critical thinking skills to assess the information presented?

      Looking to Wikipedia or “online fact checkers” – or any source for that matter – to tell you who to believe on what are highly politicised, contentious issues is a fool’s errand.

      1. Micko

        But lawless…?

        Why do the critical thinking when you have “experts” to do it for you?

        What a waste of brain power. Silly lawless ;-)

      2. Daisy Chainsaw

        dO tHe rEsEaRcH!!!!1eleventy!!1!

        Funny how my research doesn’t involve falling down the conspiraloon batplop crazy rabbithole!

  5. f_lawless

    This is an informative piece:

    https://lockdownsceptics.org/is-there-a-case-for-a-zero-covid-strategy/

    “A review of the evidence concerning the medical complications and lingering effects of COVID-19 by an epidemiologist and a retired Professor of Forensic and Biological Anthropology”

    It’s not dismissive of the evidence as some may assume but it does make the point that long term symptoms are also observed with other respiratory illnesses such as the flu and that ” it is difficult to find a justification for implementing lockdowns or similar restrictive measures for SARS-CoV-2 when they have not been applied in recent serious seasonal, epidemic or pandemic influenza outbreaks – and, for the most part, are not recommended.”

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