87 thoughts on “Friday’s Papers

  1. broadbag

    Although that bar owner is a selfish idiot I’m not sure publicly shaming him achieves much and putting him on the cover is just cruel.

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      1. george

        How was it a genuine mistake? I find it hard to believe that he was referred for a test and nobody told him he had to self isolate.

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        1. george

          Also there was a group of 20 in the bar and his staff allowed it. The pub looks small to be holding 60 people at the moment. Seems like a reckless disregard for the Covid-19 rules in general.

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    1. Cian

      Why? He is either ignorant – which is difficult to believe after 6 months of pandemic and lockdowns – or he did it knowingly and is a danger to society.

      In either case publicity shaming him may help to educate any other idiots or psychopaths to self isolate while waiting for results.

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        1. Rob_G

          If someone gets a drink driving conviction, their name is published in the papers; I don’t see how this is any different.

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          1. GiggidyGoo

            No. Just asking, as there are regular reports in the newspapers of stabbings, assaults or attempted murder by driving cars at people. but no names. Just wondering why that is.

      1. Micko

        You seem like a smart lad Cian.

        But you need to wise up.

        You won’t always be on the side of the social justice brigade.

        Some day, a mistake that YOU make could end up in public shaming and you losing your livelihood.

        Have some more kindness now, it could save your a$$ in the future. ;-)

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      2. Janet, dreams of big guns

        I guess he wasn’t watching enough RTE…..
        I’m against sensationalist media as a whole, whatever happened to a bit of empathy, why is evey do angry all the time ?

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        1. Janet, dreams of big guns

          bit of a silly comparison, they are as you said yourself the people ” supposed to be running the country” and therefore in a completely different essential and public category

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  2. Rob_G

    Fupp him, he could have killed someone – there is no shortage of bar staff looking for work at the minute; instead he decided to save a few euro and put all of his customers (and their families and friends) as risk.

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      1. E'Matty

        Rob is just hysterical and irrationally frightened of this virus. Don’t blame him. We should display empathy for the feeble minded and gullible.

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        1. Vanessanelle

          if they have a machete
          or one of those guns that Janet knows all about

          Connery’s Bond smoked – and he killed loadsa baddies
          Christopher Walken would light up ‘specially before he knocked someone off

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        2. E'Matty

          Coronavirus is highly unlikely to kill you too. You don’t die with a virus. Most of these people are dying of chronic heart disease, chronic neurological conditions, chronic respiratory diseases, cancer/malignancy and diabetes. In the US, they’ve even had young people die with coronavirus in a sky diving accident and a motor cycle accident. Why cook the numbers if this is such a deadly virus?

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          1. paul

            but once you’ve recovered it could leave you with a lifetime of chronic illness (lung and heart issues, skin sores, immunity and bone marrow problems) that will shorten your life expectancy.

            “Ah yeah, I’m young, I’ll get better but I might be on an oxygen tank and in a wheelchair from my 40’s onwards.”

          2. E'Matty

            @Paul, can you explain this problem with the organs being damaged that you describe? What is causing it? You might also provide some evidence for your claim of “lifetime of chronic illness (lung and heart issues, skin sores, immunity and bone marrow problems) that will shorten your life expectancy.”

          3. paul

            @E’Matty

            University of Manchester are doing the bone marrow/monocytes study, New Zealand and DermNet (I think, that ones from memory) are covering the skin stuff (COVID Toes may even be classified as a condition in the future), Science and the Heising-Simons Foundation are looking at the cardiopulmonary side. I can’t remember the lung study right now but plenty of survivors have had to have lung transplants speaks for itself, I’ve heard the phrase ‘lungs like gooey cheese’ more than once. These are just some of the larger studies.

            You have access to the same sources I do. If you’re concerned about the long term ramifications of COVID then they are just as accessible to you. If you’re not concerned… *shrug*

          4. E'Matty

            @ Paul. Thanks for the information, I’ll check those out. They all seem to be addressing a fairly wide variety of ailments and diseases which are resulting from the cytokine storms, which it is widely accepted now are the cause of the worst reactions to the virus. Do you think it is a little odd that nobody is actually investigating or looking at what is causing these cytokine storms to occur for some coronavirus patients and not others? What’s driving these reactions? Would seem like an obvious question to ask if we want to reduce the harm from the virus, yet nobody in officialdom is doing so. Bit strange, no?

          5. paul

            @E’Matty

            I’d say there is more investigation going on than is being let on, people won’t draw attention to themselves unless they’ve already seen some promising results. But yeah, if this virus is going to adversely affect peoples lives for years to come, I’d want qualified folks digging down into every aspect of it so people can be prepared.

            All the focus is on deaths which, while tragic and an awful loss to everyone involved, will be a far smaller number than those carrying the scars of COVID for the rest of their lives. I genuinely think we’d see better compliance with measures designed (if badly) to reduce infection if folks understood all the risks and not just ‘it kills the old and the ill but not me’.

          6. GiggidyGoo

            @ Paul. The virus is what, 8-9 months here. Where did you get the information that it gives lifelong problems like you suggest?

          7. paul

            @GiggidyGoo

            Hearts and lungs and bone marrow don’t just recover, not without a lot of treatment and even then, there are scars.

            Things like ‘COVID toes’ might be a curable anomaly but when delicate tissues inside the body are damaged, it’s often for life. I have scars on my heart and lungs from other things and the word from the Surgeon on the day of my discharge was ‘that sort of thing doesn’t go away, no matter what causes it, it might come back to bite you when you’re older or if you become unhealthy or you might get lucky and die of something else entirely’.

          8. E'Matty

            @Paul, but the deaths and serious side effects for those who don’t die that you refer to are all resulting from the cytokine storms. This is widely accepted. I can provide National Geographic, Irish Times and other mainstream articles to support this. My question is why is nobody in our media, our medical professions or political class asking what is causing these cytokine storms and why is nobody mentioning the FACT coronaviruses, as a family of viruses, have a long history of causing cytokine storms due to vaccine interference? This is just a fact, yet it is not spoken of and is even attacked if raised.

            Surely we should at least examine this potential link where the worst affected are the elderly and medical staff, both groups who receive the flu vaccine each Winter? This becomes increasingly important an issue, even if just to discount it as a threat to health, given the government now wants everybody in the country of all ages and predispositions to receive the flu vaccine this year. If there is any link between the flu vaccine and these cytokine storms, this course of action could have devastating results in the Winter months ahead.

    1. GiggidyGoo

      Yet Donohue, Coveney, can come and go as they please to / from areas in Europe that are not on the green list, and attend the Dail, have press conferences, be in the company of their advisors without any hint of isolation that the rest of us have to do? They’re the same flesh and bone and metabolism. So why is that then? Fupp them too maybe Rob?

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      1. Rob_G

        Obviously running a pub is as vitally important as running the country

        “see these apples – but what about these oranges???”

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  3. GiggidyGoo

    The rumors about Boris being spotted in Italy – maybe there is truth in them, as his wife and child are holidaying there.

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  4. GiggidyGoo

    Another plan with ‘ambitious targets’. This time, the HSE.
    ‘Ambitious targets’ is a code in this case for ‘We will write a plan because we have to, and fill it with unachievable promises’

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  5. GiggidyGoo

    Aaaannnnndddd there we have it. McAleese gets a spot on the Late Late to advertise her new book. It will be in the 50c basket within a year. Un-Two-Ward must be on as well pouring a new chemical toilet on us. I wonder what advice will ‘I have a dream’ Tubridy unleash complete with hand gestures?

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    1. newsjustin

      I wonder if she’ll throw caution to the wind and say something extraordinarily profound, novel, and deeply unpopular about the Catholic Church? She wouldn’t dare…..would she?

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    2. Janet, dreams of big guns

      ahhh why did my comment bet deleted, it wasn’t that bad
      ok I just had a vision of him having a little self pleasure and not of his usual verbal kind

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  6. Charger Salmons

    Calling all BS nautical chums.
    According to the Examiner ” Verona Murphy the Independent TD for Wexford,who served as president of the Irish Road Haulage Association before her election last February, told Taoiseach Micheál Martin that more than 150,000 trucks per year come and go from Dublin Port and Rosslare Europort and use the landbridge, transporting cargo with an estimated value of more than €18bn. ”
    And with Brexit just 4 months away how is Ireland doing with its preparations for disruption to that landbridge.
    Much fanfare has been made in the past couple of years at the launch of two giant Brexit-busting ferries at Dublin Port.
    The world’s largest short sea roll-on roll-off vessel the Celine,capable of carrying 580 lorries, was launched in 2018.
    Yet according to data it was last in port 5 days ago and seems to be popping back and forth between Zeebrugge and the UK East Coast port of Killingholme.
    http://www.vesselfinder.com/vessels/CELINE-IMO-9789233-MMSI-249901000
    Earlier this year its sister ship was also launched.
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/brexit-buster-sister-ship-begins-sailings-to-mainland-europe-1.3842933
    Yet a cursory glance shows it only operating between Zeebrugge,Rotterdam and the Portugese port of Leixoes.
    http://www.vesselfinder.com/vessels/LAURELINE-IMO-9823352-MMSI-248743000
    Obviously Brexit hasn’t happened yet but with all the uncertainty why aren’t these vessels already operating on the shortest route between Ireland and mainland Europe ?
    And how quickly could they switch over to such a route in the event of lorry queues at Dover ?
    I’m no expert on this but would genuinely like to know as my experience of boats is limited to mixing ferocious magaritas in the galley of a chum’s racing yacht.

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    1. Charger Salmons

      It’s a rum do alright.
      Normally when I post on Ireland’s trading arrangements post-Brexit I’m inundated with opinions.
      Now it’s the train calling in at Tumbleweed Connection.
      Experts, eh ?
      Heh,heh,heh x 150,000

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    2. GiggidyGoo

      Pity for you is probably the reason. Such an inferiority complex – today’s score 8.075 on the Sure Have Inferiority Troubles meter.

      As you say, you’re no expert. At least you do know
      “Obviously Brexit hasn’t happened yet but with all the uncertainty why aren’t these vessels already operating on the shortest route between Ireland and mainland Europe ?

      Do they operate on the shortest route between Ireland and mainland Europe? Rosslare- Cherbourg is shorter.

      Currently there is no need for them to be the Irish route permanently. The number of sailings haven’t diminished. We still landbridge through the UK too. CLdN have opened up new routes recently as well which they (cleverly) utilize ferries that are not being utilized fully on the Irish service. The Celine came into service in 2017 to cover Dublin and Killingholme – did you not know that?
      CLdN put other vessels on that are more suited at this time.

      Back to your baked beans, one ring stove and your diluted orange Walter. You haven’t a clue, have you?

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      1. Charger Salmons

        So what you’re saying is that the landbridge is still the most preferred route for Irish freight traffic to Europe even with the threat of a no-deal Brexit and as a result the Irish government has wasted four years not bothering to invest in an alternative ?
        And on December 31st at midnight they’re suddenly going to magic up ferries and port facilities ?

        Kind of what the Irish Hauliers Association have been saying this week as well.

        Heh x 150,000.

        PS: You need some new material.Whilst imitation is the bext form of flattery your index stuff is getting whiffier than strong blue cheese.

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  7. E'Matty

    Nobody seems to be paying much attention to this travesty of justice. The pretend journos in the msm have unsurprisingly not been covering it much, despite the enormous threat it poses to true journalism which is supposed to be about holding power to account, instead of propping it up and crushing dissenters, as so many in the msm seem to believe. I don’t actually think our Irish journalist corp are particularly malevolent. They’re just idiots with next to no understanding of affairs outside our borders. We don’t actually have any reporting of international affairs in this country which isn’t a hand me down from the Anglo American media sphere (see the The Telegraph and Observer, or Associated Press for all Indo and IT foreign affairs articles). Our media are basically a crap joke running around pretending to be Lois and Clark, all the while acting as PR men/women/confused for established power. Play their cards right, they might even get invited on fancy golf trips and get to hobnob with their betters, whom they look up to with such brown nosing reverence.

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      1. E'Matty

        @Charger Salmons, did you get your talking point from the mainstream media and US government claims? Or do you have any actual evidence to support your claim that lives were put in danger by Assange? The US certainly hasn’t been able to substantiate its claim so if you have such evidence you might want to contact the embassy and get some browny points.

        Let’s ignore the fact that Wikileaks exposed murderous criminality by the US State apparatus. Charger here loves supporting war criminals and murderers, and helping them conceal their crimes.

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