Last night.
RTÉ One’s Prime Time.
Dr. Martin Feeley (top left) debated infectious disease expert Professor Sam McConkey (top right) in one of the first times RTÉ has aired a dissenting voice on Covid restrictions.
Dr Martin Feeley was forced to resign from Dublin Midlands Hospital Group after criticising Ireland’s ‘Draconian’ response to the pandemic.
Previously: Dr Martin Feeley on Broadsheet
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This was a great watch last night. An actual debate.
Regardless of whether you agree with him or not, this man should not have been forced to resign.
He spoke very well (in your edited clip), McConkey believing you can eradicate it from the island when much of the north is under another jurisdiction is bonkers, not sure he was the best to represent that side of the debate.
McConkey is arguing for a zero CoVid-19 strategy except we are not Australia or New Zealand and besides, the story is far from over in those countries because it will still be back next season and they will be starting all over again.
New Zealand has a tourist economy in and around 40 billion
23 billion of that is domestic. They could probably close their borders indefinitely
I agree, McConkey is talking rubbish about covid-zero.
@SOQ – NZ has eradicated it. Aus is close. There is talk of a travel bubble between the two. Aus is hoping to allow foreign students in. The domestic tourist markets will do well. Zero Covid is an option for Oz and NZ. I am not sure it could work for Ireland, much as I would like it to. The nutty unionists would prefer to die than to work with the 26 counties. Apart from that, travel between Ireland and Europe would be difficult to limit.
I think you are somewhat missing the point Formely- even is a country is successful in entirely eradicating it now- which none have done so far- it will reappear again and again until enough people are immune.
Lockdowns only delay its transmission- not stop it.
*even if
Hahahhaha haha.
Australian here. Every single time the Government relaxes restrictions here, cases begin to climb once again. They have the hospitality, event and tourism industries under brutal restrictions that are absolutely crippling the majority of businesses.
They haven’t “eradicated” the virus, they have hit the pause button. Nothing more. New Zealand’s economy will take an unfathomable hit if their international tourism stays closed much longer. We are not a success story. We are stuck in the lockdown cycle from hell here. A single positive case results in heavy restrictions and internal border closures. The Government dictate who we can have in our homes, they dictate where we can travel within our own country, they have rendered entire industries totally unviable.
The Government must keep us living like this indefinitely if they are to keep their “eradication” strategy going. One year? Two? Three? What happens when a vaccine doesn’t come or is only 50% effective? Remain closed? Bankrupt the country? Ruin hundreds of thousands of lives?
those rule loving Aussies must be loving it…gluttons for punishment
So it’s not an option then. ♂️
I’d love to know where you are getting your evidence that Covid-19 is seasonal.
Check @fatemperor on Twitter or youtube. He has compiled the relevant studies.
Yes, but he is under the impression that it will *not* come back next year when the Covid “season” starts,
Wrong- it will come back every year if community immunity has not built up, just like other corona viruses and flus.
So there will be a resurgence of Covid -with hospitalizations, ICU occupancy and deaths.
But not a “second wave”.
(oh, there are 20 ICU cases today. highest since 18th June) but sure, it’s a “casedemic”.
“(oh, there are 20 ICU cases today. highest since 18th June)”
You need to start adding a disclaimer to these updates Cian.
Suggestion:
*20 PCR positive test cases. Unknown what proportion of cases are in ICU due to Covid-19 disease
+1 f_lawless
McConkey is delusional and loving the attention RTE give him way too much
He’s a bland civil servant who lives in his own little very well paid bubble
Martin Feeley has just handed the fear-meister McConckey his ass. McConkey has tried (and what is tried here on BS) to divert, distract etc.
The first case in Ireland – wasn’t the first case.
What has happened to Martin Feeley was despicable.
He isn’t a civil servant.
Great contribution george..
Ans, as proof how biased the debate is, McConkey is actually an ASSOCIATE professor
Aw, I don’t think you know what Associate Professor means, do you?
Neither do you george as it turns out.
You’re right, that’s incredible – he’s only an Associate Professor!!! How did I not pick up on this before now. Now I have even less respect for him, and that was already on the floor! Thanks Dan!
Open to correction
of course
but wasn’t Sam McConkey predicting deaths in the tens of thousands there earlier in the year
11th March he said between 80 to 120,000 deaths
that’s a fair bit of elbow room for him
119920
cheesus I wouldn’t want to be his hospital FC
has he been labelled a racist Nazi, 5g conspiracy theorist, xenophobe yet by daisy chainsaw and co?
Living in your head, rent free. Lotsa space too.
Just as I reside carefree in yours.
I agree with his point on “flattening the curve” to a point.
However, does anyone have a ballpark figure for how many new admissions to hospital the state can take? Is 100 per week high or manageable? Or does it only depend on ICU beds? Maybe it can’t be quantified, but this isn’t mentioned anywhere that I can find.
And how many new ICU beds have been created since this thing started?
23
Just 23. Micheal Martin confirmed it two weeks ago.
Total pants
.
You will never hear the head of the HSE questioned on any of this. I don’t know why he has been given such an easy ride.
And yet Sweden over doubled it’s ICU capacity?
have they? any evidence?
This says they have 5.8 “critical care beds” per 100,000 people. Ireland fares a bit better with 6.5.
https://www.politico.eu/article/charting-europes-capacity-to-deal-with-the-coronavirus-crisis/
Considering they have such an old population this seems a but strange.
According to figures shared in Swedish media, Sweden had 526 available intensive care beds at the start of the crisis – among the lowest number in Europe (a comparison from 2011 estimated Sweden’s intensive care beds at 5.8 per 100,000 people, compared to a European average of 11.5).
In just a matter of weeks, it scaled up to more than 1,100 available beds, which were all equipped to be able to accept patients.
https://www.thelocal.it/20200623/how-sweden-doubled-intensive-care-capacity-to-treat-coronavirus-patients
They didn’t push on the ICU beds because very few actually end up in there. Less than 100 of the recorded 1800 passed away in ICU.
Which is a story in itself- about how so many were already so ill that there was no point in admitting them to ICU.
So ill,
With Covid or with co-morbidity, frail with age.
Not deemed a viable ICU candidate, or at home, afraid to present due to the mass psychosis instilled by Gov & MSM
They didn’t bother putting the “dead wood” into ICU – sure they should have died of the flu last winter.
No they just threw the symptomatic into the nursing homes which is why Dr Marcus De Brun is calling for a public inquiry.
“”My median scenario is that we’d have a 20 per cent attack rate and 20,000 deaths.”
Associate Professor Sam McConkey, March 2020
Yes . He said that at the start of March when daily deaths in one part of Italy were hitting the thousands. At the time is wasn’t an unreasonable estimate based on the data available.
Hindsight is 20:20.
Correction of old beliefs in light of new information is 100%
True, but irrelevant.
Has McConkey repeated that claim in the last 6 months? nope. he has recalculated the number on new info and come up with a much lower figure.
He was wrong then.
He has been wrong several times since
He is wrong now
What will it take to shake him out of his Zero-Covid utopia
Cases Cases Cases ≠ Hospitalisation ≠ Deaths
Cases Cases Cases ≠ Hospitalisation ≠ Deaths
This is 100% correct.
However you can say:
An increase in the positive tests will be followed by an increase in the numbers admitted to hospital which will be followed by an increase in ICU and/or deaths.
you can say it all you want.
Not showing to be happening tho is it ♂️
“recalculated..”
ROFL
Lock the country down for 4 months, says an associate professor on €150k a year.
Put him on €300 a week and make him stay at home for 4 months.
McConkey is actually my doc, not really a reflection on him but I can tell you if you aren’t infectious going into that ward in beaumont you are when you come out , same with NI ?
if they can’t handle hygiene in the tropical and infectious disease wardd of 10 beds not a great precedent to be lecturing the rest of the country
I think McConkey’s strategy is losing credibility by the day. I just cannot see it working and was logically and eloquently pointed out just there.The social implications of it is absolutely enormous. Lives are being destroyed. Adults lives who cannot look after their children because they have no job. They wont be able to pay their mortgage. They fear losing their homes. They fear even to put food on the table…. The possibility of going into poverty could become a reality. We need to look after the vulnerable of course. There has to be a better way then the approach that is happening now.
Even the vulnerable are getting pee’ed off now.
This is a phone call from a over 80 year old woman to TalkRadio in London.
https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1310937429633896451
Isn’t McConkey the guy who’s talking restriction for 3 to 7 years? Dam is breaking alright. Even Boris has started talking to the Swedes about their approach. They’ve all been a bit too keen to set us all on an ill thought out authoritarian, fiscally disastrous path. I hope people remember that.
What do you mean “even Boris”? He’s a the clown who gave himself Covid-19 by going around shaking hands in hospitals treating people with covid-19.
Having trouble there george?
fair play to RTE for finally having a dissenting voice. that guy spoke very well. great guts, bravery. Feely for President
I think its a lesson to everyone, read what the media say, listen to views, but make up your own mind. except for anti-vaccinators who think vaccines case autism.
have RTE started to realise cracks are showing ?
More like it’s unstoppable at this stage.
Charlie Bird was a fairly tentative dissenting voice on Claire Byrne.
They’ve had dissenting voices on the radio all the time.
Citation?
Nils Anders Tegnell was the first to advise herd immunity (although he could not use that term)
Each country will soon have a version of Tegnell e.g. Dr.Feeley in Ireland, who with science and common sense will give options to the world’s current covid plans.
These Tegnell clones will multiple and spread and a real worldwide debate will occur. Change is coming.
As someone with an underlying condition, and has a son with an underlying condition, two parents, one brother and one sister with underlying conditions, and quite a few friends in the same boat, I am really looking forward to a pre-vaccine thin-the-herd-immunity policy ripping through our lives.
(In reference to comments made yesterday – hey Micko and SOQ yes I am REAL FLIPPIN COMFORTABLE.)
Hey, me too buddy.
I Have three underlying conditions.
But, I’d still rather take my chances than live in the scrappy world we’ve created.
“Underlying condition Top Trumps” is such fun!
Well thanks for spreading it for the rest us, I guess.
Community immunity has already happened Nigel- as evidenced by the small number of people getting sick.
There is nothing new about this, old as the hills in fact, the only thing new was these idiots wrecking the country because of it.
Ok Doc SOQ.
We didn’t have herd immunity for Measles, mumps, or rubella until we vaccinated. There’s nothing to say herd immunity will just develop.
It is called a CORONA virus for a reason- it has a 80% makeup as others, which is why some people are naturally immune to it.
Why would you assume it is going to behave like viruses which have absolutely nothing in common with it- rather than the family it comes from?
Sit in at home and wait for a vaccine if you wish but don’t demand the rest of us continue to ruin our lives- and the economy too.
Why is this clip edited to largely cut out McConkey’s contributions?
Bias.
Bias oh Bias.
Full vid here https://vimeo.com/463418688
Thanks SOQ.
Lockdowns were based on the wildly inaccurate predictions of one very compromised scientist who didn’t share his assumptions with anyone. No peer review and conflicts of interest beyond the pale. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/neil-ferguson-transformed-uk-covid-response-oxford-challenge-imperial-model-2020-4%3Famp
They have some Covid denier on the radio every time I turn it on at the weekend.
Hard to take his judgement seriously when he decided that hairstyle was a good idea.
Who are these deniers and when have they been on the radio?
I thing George bases decisions on looks and hairstyles. Important things like that.