97 thoughts on “Saturday’s Papers

  1. GiggidyGoo

    Less than £4bn to build 40 hospitals – that Boris fella sure is great.

    Then again, as Varadkar is in contrition mode, maybe he will spill the beans on the truth why the NCH went ahead.

    1. Alexander the Great

      Mr Incredible with yet another rip roaring political exclusive! Where does he get the time?

      1. GiggidyGoo

        Charger must have called you early. Did he leave any beans for you? I thought you’d be Tahiti or somewhere like that?

      2. Bitnbox

        Giggidy is right though with the Daily Express scoop. Look at the benefits of Brexit – the UK is going to be firing on all cylinders come this January. The chains have been slung off and the EU will no longer be able to suffocate the NHS. We will be looking on in jealously as the English health care system just gets better and better. Boris is dismantling all the things that are holding the UK back – unlike our politicians, he keeps his promises.

        1. :-Joe

          The EU is not responsible for strangling the progress of the NHS, unless you’re living in another dimension populated only by absolute eejits…

          Take a look at the history of the tories and privatisation for basic level, stating the bleedin obvious fact…

          More importantly, how did you manage to cross over and communicate with us?..

          Quantum distortion?.. Tell us more… We might be able to find a way to reach you and save you all…

          :-J

          1. Bitnbox

            The recent legislation to bypass the so called Withdrawal Agreement was a masterstroke by Cummings, playing the EU at its own game and what’s more, as Giggidy or another I think previously pointed out, totally in conformity with the international law. I have looked into this. Clarifying supplementary safety net legislation is allowed.

            The EU has always wanted the NHS to fail by sucking up funds destined for it. Boris is giving this back to the UK health system. Brexit is a win win for the UK. Ireland could also thrive by listening to Hermann Kelly who has worked very closely with Farage and is as clever as Cummings. He knows the inside track and is one of the good guys.

          2. V AKA Frilly Keane

            Am I seeing things?

            Ireland could also thrive by listening to Hermann Kelly

            That should come with a Health Warning lads
            Virtual sanitiser and face masks will be needed before logging into the ‘Sheet if this stuff starts spreading

        2. :-Joe

          I was only joking before, perhaps a bit flippant or harsh but now, to be honest..

          You’re spouting freedom party nonsense and promoting the ideaology of fa(cade)rage and that other clown, cummings as some kind of political masterminds…

          Soon to get his cum-upp-mings is a wannabe carbon copy of Vladislav Surkov, Putin’s right hand man who helped him specifically in creating a destabilised psychological state of fear and confusion through propaganda and aysymetric warfare both psychological and physical, internally and externally in the great land of mother Rusky.. and in the minds of every other geo-political think-tank of foreign policy in every other nation around the planet.

          The demented lunatic soon to get his cum-upp-mings is nothing more than a motivated, greedy, narcissistic, deluded, pseudo intellectual opportunist..

          The only thing you can admire about him is his level of treacherous, treasonous, inhumane egotistical greed combined with a level of scientology, religious /cult, cia lsd/manson family political persuasion, the like of which the sleepy-west has never had to deal with before..

          Fa(cade)rage is just another greedy opportunist, the right clown when the circus came to town.. a likeable personality(if you’re a backwards thinking eejit whose easily led astray) at the right time who made a name and profile stating the bleedin’ obvious about the EU’s failings..

          If you don’t know or see this then you are at beginner level understanding of the scenario..
          -But don’t be disuaded, I’m only one step ahead of you so don’t lose any spirit over it, in searching for the truth..

          Beginner +1 on this issue…

          :-J

          1. :-Joe

            I don’t know who is more deluded, him above or you thinking that the tories actually won the last election without engaging in a colossol amount of corruption on all sides from all possible angles…

            A very tory coup…

            :-J

  2. Formerly known as @ireland.com

    The UK Independent showing Trump for what he is – a complete idiot. Tis no wonder there are over 200K dead in the USA. Unfortunately, many more will die before a competent person replaces him.

    1. Rosette of Sirius

      I’m really interested to see now what will happen with the SCOTUS hearings now. It sounds as if Trump personally is in for a very rough October. Lord knows how many old men and women have been infected in his bubble let alone everyone else….

      1. Birdie

        I listened the guardians daily digest podcast yesterday about the importance of winning Florida. It was so sad to hear how divisive the elderly have become over there and kinda funny too… trump supporters in golf buggy’s giving the finger to Biden supporters (all in an retirement home).

        I wonder will the US ever recover from this time… and if he gets back in, goodnight.

    1. goldenbrown

      it’s a total rouse. he is now now doing what he does best – grabbing control of the narrative and twisting it to order

      now with the Boris hospital drama and some miracle recovery to follow a couple of weeks before the election…probably with some hocuspocusquine thrown in for good measure lol.

      nobody now dare say a bad word about him, commentators are already tippeytoeing around him, he gets a sicknote for the upcoming debate and when he does recover it’ll be all-american superhero time – he’ll be hailed as everything from the chosen one to Super Don! betcha the artwork lads at the T-shirt shops are already at work….Trump flying thru the air in his SuperTrump outfit biffing the C19 spiky chinese spheroid inot submission

      Biden hasn’t a chance, Trump wins this election easily now

      1. GiggidyGoo

        That’s the run of it alright. Paragraph 2 you have it spot on I think. A ‘I told you so’ moment.

        1. Charger Salmons

          You probably think the moon landings were faked as well.
          It’s an indictment of the Irish education system that it churns out so many idiots like you who believe in this nonsense.

          1. Janet, dreams of big guns

            funny everytime you post a little english voice whispers in my ear
            ” another child left behind ”
            ;)

          2. Charger Salmons

            It’s English not english.
            Another wasted education.
            No wonder there isn’t a single Irish university in the world’s top 100.

          3. GiggidyGoo

            Yourself and your apprentice Alexander Salmons hitting the 8.8 on the Sure Have Inferiority Troubles meter regularly.
            Must be difficult to have two in the one-bed, one ring camping gas stove, gobbling beans all day. Stir crazy perhaps.
            Surely there are UK websites for you to visit and comment on. LOL

          4. Charger Salmons

            LOL ?
            I didn’t think anyone over the age of 10 or an IQ of similar number still uses that.
            How very quaint.

      2. Nigel

        Boris didn’t get a bounce from catching covid – he was already high in the polls and had just got a large electoral majority. Trump never had either of those things. He’s on tape as deliberately downplaying the virus, has publicly made a score of statements dismissing it in ridiculous terms, and the death toll is still rising. If this is a strategy to keep the focus on his handling of the pandemic it’s poorly thought through. Furthermore, he and the First Lady are getting the very best health care in the world at taxpayer’s expense – everybody else who has paid more taxes than this billionaire is at the mercy of the horrible insurance industry, especially if they, like him, have pre-existing conditions that Republicans have been stripping protections from. Nobody is prepared to believe any official statements coming from the WH, underlining the dishonesty of this administration, and the astonishing hypocrisy of demanding civility from his critics after over four years of him setting the tone is sickening. So, no, I don’t think this is the devastating master stroke you seem to think it is.

        1. Nigel

          The more we learn about it, the more it becomes a lesson in hubris and arrogance, and one of the rare examples so far during his first term where that hubris and arrogance has personal and direct negative consequences for Trump himself. He’s built a myth of being untouchable, of getting away with everything, no matter how openly he flouts convention and morality. Not any more.

          ‘These details of the Amy Coney Barrett super spreader ceremony baffle and infuriate me. I question the judgment of any adult who would act this recklessly. All these people should know better.’

          https://twitter.com/mjs_DC/status/1312197863363866624

          Catching covid at the start of the outbreak, like Boris did, and catching covid after over 200,000 dead are two very different propositions.

          1. Kate

            Population USA 331.2 million
            49.2 million are over 65.
            Deaths 209,000 .
            On above statistics the USA haven’t done too badly when you consider underlying conditions, obesity , asthma etc.
            I think that WHO have failed far more than President Trump. I expected a decisive voice from WHO and they came across as clueless.

          2. goldenbrown

            yea, I don’t mean electioneering or parliament numbers, Boris has achieved almost unassailable control over parliament. Boris was getting battered at the time because he had initially decided to accede to the Cummings “herd immunity” theory. he was looking like a village idiot. then he got C19 and it was all sympathy and silencing of the growing noise around the idiocy of said approach. U-turn neatly executed. poor Boris.

            as for this particular performance I believe the audience are not smart enough to work that out Nigel. they’ll do whatever their TV or Church tells ’em to do. there’s endless hay for GOP to make out of the unfolding “drama” a liferaft just when they need one.

            Trump wins.

          3. Nigel

            Kate – I’d like to see Trump get up on the national stage after everything he’s said and done and try to make that case. I don’t think it will go down well from the guy who said ‘I don’t take any responsibility.’

            goldenbrown – that seems like a completely different situation. I really don’t get this tendency to immediately cave in the face of Trump’s imagined genius.

          4. Charger Salmons

            Perceptive as ever Kate.
            What people fail to realise is that the fault for much of the response towards Covid-19 in the USA lies at state level rather than federal government.
            It is federal government’s job to provide funding and equipment which Trump did from the very outset.
            The idea that hundreds of thousands of deaths can be laid at the door of the President is nonsense.If anything his decisive action over the pandemic has saved many lives.
            Agreed on the WHO as well and while we’re at it where has the EU been throughout this crisis ?
            It has taken them more than six months to get around to forumlating a policy for travel between member states while European carriers have been crying out for some leadership.
            They’ve seemed more concerned about fixing a budget to ensure their fat-cat salaries and luxurious lifestyle in Brussels continue at our expense.
            Thank goodness Blighty has left that shower.

          5. goldenbrown

            Nigel, I don’t imagine he’s a genius in the conventional sense, I think he’s a very cunning cockroach – personally he has clearly demonstrated over several decades now his abilities in the self-preservation dept. worse still he’s supported by some very clever strategists whom I believe would stoop to ANYTHING to ensure the continuance of the administration that will promote their conservative ideology. in their heads everything is game, because it’s a mission, there is no “fair”.
            and if you’re looking for evidence of just how gullible the American voting public are you don’t have to look back very far, 4 years ago…needless to say :)

          6. Nigel

            ‘the fault for much of the response towards Covid-19 in the USA lies at state level rather than federal government.’

            Sure, if you blow right past Trump’s federal non-response, having disbanded the Federal Pandemic Team, not to mention Kushner and co channeling relief funds to cronies and equipment to states that voted for Trump while the Senate bailed out coporations that didn’t need bailing at and continue to block relief funding for anyone who isn’t a billionaire. Then there’s the tape where he admitted to downplaying the virus and allthe superspreader railles, and now the superspreader ceremony. Finally, Trump refusing to take responsibility and blaming everybody but himself is such a STRONG look in a leader, don’t you think?

          7. Nigel

            goldenbrown – if you think he’ll win because of voter supression and relentless blasts of toxic misinformation, rather than because he did (or didn’t) catch covid, then I agree. That’s why he won before, and if he wins again, that also will be the reason.

      3. :-Joe

        @goldenbrown, Ye exactly, pretty much 100% there..

        Take advantage of any opportunity.. Any sign of real threat and over-react with dropping a proverbial bomb…

        It was drumpf’s to lose anyway, the other half, dnc and the rest of the oligarchy already know this and the whole point of putting the worst losing candidate forward is just to raise maximum funds for themselves, maintain the status quo and keep the delusional pantomime alive for the rest of the serfs / plebs / eejits…. while funding the bonuses of the fake corporate media etc.

        The third party option which is now a real possibility thanks to all the chaos, is the only way to break up the duopoly nightmare and find some pre-war balance of sanity again..

        Bye, bye, your murican em-pie -re..
        – It was well, both interesting and disturbing in equal measure while it lasted..

        :-J

        1. Nigel

          ‘The third party option which is now a real possibility’

          This is pure fantasy, especially if you think tripping over yourself to hand victory to Trump and the Republicans is going to bring it about sooner and not reduce to even more of a pipe dream.

        2. Nigel

          ‘the whole point of putting the worst losing candidate forward’

          You mean the candidate that beat all the other candidates in the Primary process? That losing candidate? You’d have preferred one of the other candidates, one of the ones that lost to the ‘worst losing’ candidate?

      4. George

        Sure, a 74 year old man in hospital with Covid-19 due to total flouting of all public health advice just 4 weeks before an election and while people are already voting. Sounds like a winner!

  3. SOQ

    Professor of theoretical epidemiology- Sunetra Gupta – Once it reaches that endemic equilibrium life can return back to old normal

    In this interview with Andrew Neil she criticises the UK projection figures because they are based on a virus which is new. when we know CoVid-19 has been around for quite a while- so some people are immune.

    For context she states that in the UK there are 1000 people a week dying of flu and pneumonia at the moment. 10 minutes long.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUYmju6hdWg

    1. Formerly known as @ireland.com

      I don’t think enough people are immune for it to matter. The epidemiologist on the Dunphy podcast this week stated that herd immunity doesn’t protect everyone from the virus, it just slows it down. I will continue to listen to the smart people, not the hurlers on the ditch.

      1. Clampers Outside

        That doesn’t contradict nor could be digested as a counter argument to SOQ’s.
        One could easily agree with both of your points as presented.

      2. SOQ

        Professor of theoretical epidemiology Sunetra Gupta is a hurler on the ditch? She is one of the leading experts in the field of epidemiology but if you disagree then please point me to someone you do agree with- I have asked you for this before btw.

        As for the immunity percentage, no one really knows but Sunetra ‘s opinion is it is around 80%. The problem is that T Cell tests are expensive and require a high level of lab skill to process but there certainly is a reason why it seems to peak at a certain percentage in each country or community.

        Anyways, I look forward to you posting the names of a few “smart people” that we can have a look at.

        1. Bitnbox

          Gupta is great. She is also challenging the lack of debate in the UK around 5G. There are specific likely health effects for some people and it can also be used as a form of enhanced covert surveillance. All she wants is a reasoned debate – same as with the plandemic – so we can get all the facts, before 5G is rolled out under our noses. Of course, what do we hear re 5G dangers here: SFA

          1. Bitnbox

            @benblack Saw that. Worrying indeed. I think this is test 5G. We’ll never hear of the effects of this for those who live near masts. Independent voices like Gupta who question this madness need to raise their voices even louder. You, me, SOQ and all those who know the real reasons for the quiet deployment of 5G need to wake the sleeping masses up.

          2. benblack

            Actually, I was browsing for a 5G phone during the week.

            Full disclosure, before you include me in any future group.

  4. Q Celt

    Merkel hints ar room for maneuver. Are German and French exports to GB more important to these countries than the GFA. All will be revealed in due course

  5. Clampers Outside

    Anyone watching Sky Arts today…. 12 hrs (9.30am to 9.30pm) of ‘arty’ backdrop / scene setting for the TV series The Third Day.

    Has a feel to it like the 60s TV series The Prisoner, or the movie The Wickerman…
    Been watching an hour or more now and not a single bit of dialogue… really long slow shots… And weird ‘culty’ stuff going on…

    It’s slow but intriguing.. I haven’t a clue what’s going on :)

  6. Clampers Outside

    Anyone watching Sky Arts…. 12 hrs (9.30am – 21.30) of ‘arty’ backdrop / scene setting for the series The Third Day.

    Has a feel to it like the 60s TV series The Prisoner, or The Wickerman… Been watching an hour or more now and not a single bit of dialogue… really long slow shots… And weird ‘culty’ stuff going on…

    It’s slow but intriguing.. I haven’t a clue what’s going on :)

    1. SOQ

      You have pointed to a group of research scientists whom at this point do not appear to be making any substantial claims about CoVid-19 one way or the other? Their projects appear to be live so results won’t be know for some time- probably middle of next year in some cases.

      Although I can see that several are connected to WHO and on advisory boards, but I still have no idea what their opinions are on government lock down strategies. .

  7. Formerly known as @ireland.com

    Another good source of information:
    https://www.burnet.edu.au/covid-19//36_know_c19_hub

    SOQ –
    What about ‘Long Covid’ and other long term health impacts that survivors can suffer from – Is that not relevant to how seriously we take the virus?
    Doesn’t the capacity of hospitals, ICU, medical staff, play a major factor in the response, not just the number who die?

    1. SOQ

      As for this link- there appears to be an emphasis on modelling which is exactly what Sunetra Guptain in the UK is criticising. I don’t know about Australia but in UK and Ireland, modellers have consistently got it wrong by a factor of between 10 and 20- and they are still at it.

      As for long haul CoVid-19- is it any worse or better than flu and pneumonia? Is it more common than long haul flu and pneumonia? I really don’t know the answer to those questions- do you?

      I haven’t seen any studies to indicate one way or another but there seems to be a reluctance to do ANY comparative analysis between the three diseases which is why Sunetra is repeatedly raising the flu and pneumonia fatality stats.

      Of course hospital capacity is a factor but not at our current levels of hospitalisations and ICU admissions. If there is a spike then everyone will understand why a lock down is needed but we are not ‘flattening a curve’ here in Ireland now, we are needlessly wrecking the economy- and people’s lives. .

  8. Lilly

    Haha, Brendan O’Connor displaying a sense of humour playing out his show today with Fernando.

  9. GiggidyGoo

    https://www.thejournal.ie/jim-ocallaghan-theres-a-danger-in-a-political-system-that-blindly-follows-everything-nphet-says-5220162-Oct2020/

    Oh dear. Jim O’Callaghan now on the case of NPHET. Himself and Leo ‘wherever the winds blows’ Varadkar
    now as one almost.

    Last NPHET minutes 27th August.
    ‘Members’ missing regularly.
    ‘Substitute members’ put in sometimes.
    Sub Committee minutes abandoned.

    No holding to account. No detail on how decisions are made. Shambles.

      1. GiggidyGoo

        I’ll give him that. The cracks are appearing though as regards the trust (if you can call it that) put in NPHET.

    1. Papi

      When you get your pocket money, do you go straight for the cans or the batter burgers?
      Serious question.

  10. GiggidyGoo

    From The Examiner (breakingnews.ie) I read, in relation to the LC debacle
    “Ms Foley explained that the error was found as a result of an independent assessment conducted by Polymetrica International, identifying an error in one line of coding out of a total of 50,000 lines.”

    Now, read that again…. independent assessment conducted by Polymetrika International .

    That’s saying that the code wasn’t written by Polymetrika isn’t it? So, who/what company wrote the code? Why the secrecy? Where has McHugh spend our money?

    1. Lilly

      I’d say that’s an inaccurate report because I distinctly remember hearing during the week that an American company has been brought in to review the code.

      1. GiggidyGoo

        Maybe there were two reviewers of the code. The initial agreement with Polymetrika sounded cheap for what was required.
        As a matter of fact, the software is free on one of the Polymetrika websites, so maybe some brainbox in the Dept. Of Education got it, used it, and then got Fernando to do a check, after the fact.
        This story has a long way to go.

        1. Bitnbox

          Wow Giggidy. You are a flipping Oracle. This is obviously bang on the money. Looking
          forward to the next instalment. We’ll smother them in truth!

        2. Cian

          Some software is free on Polymetrika websites. Some of their software needs licences.

          We can speculate all we want. But is all it is – speculation.

          1. Alexander the Great

            I am on the edge of my seat literally slavering at the thought of Giggidy’s next incredible insight
            Next week: Giggidy blows the lid open on the conspiracy at the heart of the illegal dog breeding industry

  11. ce

    Can’t wait for the Übermensch that is Jim O’Callaghan to take over the country and make absolutely everything better…

    I don’t think it’s possibly, confidentiality etc. etc. but I’d love – and think it would be incredibly beneficial – to live stream a NPHET meeting, so people could see what they actually have to do and how they do it.

    In lieu of that, there’s always comment sections, large international project engineering consultants, and the YouTube videos our mates send us to help show the way through these difficult times

  12. :-Joe

    I wonder, did the nazi’s ever dress up as british royals when they were having fun in their private sex-dungeon bunkers?..

    :-J

  13. George

    I don’t see how there’d be 1metre between people seated in those pods so they’re only suitable if everyone is from the same household otherwise they are just petri dishes.

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