Dr Tony Holohan, Chief Medical Officer, Department of Health
Very senior Govt source says we’re “in a very dangerous place” as decision is being represented as “politicians versus doctors” when it “never ever should have been allowed to get to this point of showdown.” They add there are “serious questions and [a] major fallout”. @rtenews
— Paul Cunningham (@RTENewsPaulC) October 5, 2020
If it’s accurate that govt is rejecting public health advice, this will be the decision that encapsulates how private profits come before public health and lives for FF/FG.
People will pay the price with the spread of the coronavirus.
The parties should be made pay a price too.
— Paul Murphy (@paulmurphy_TD) October 5, 2020
This evening.
Some reaction to the decision to discard NPHET advice on bringing the country to Level 5…
Via RTÉ
A senior Government source said we are “in a very dangerous place” as decision is being represented as “politicians versus doctors” when it “never ever should have been allowed to get to this point of showdown”.
The source added that there are “serious questions and [a] major fallout”.
RTÉ also understands that while ministers took NPHET’s concern about the exponential growth of the virus “very seriously”, there was “resistance” to moving to Level 5 “at this time.”
Now Cabinet is set to decide on a proposal to put the entire country on Level 3, with additional enforcement.
A real fallout?
Or bait and switch?
We may never know.
Govt set to veto NPHET advice, adopt Level 3 nationwide (RTÉ)
Earlier: ‘You Were Elected To Lead’
“politicians versus doctors”
What % of NPHET are doctors?
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Handy that this kicked off to fit in with the deliveries of the leaflet today all the same.
Member / Role
Tony Holohan / Chief Medical Officer, Chair of NPHET
Ronan Glynn / Deputy Chief Medical Officer
Eibhlin Connolly / Deputy Chief Medical Officer of the Department of Health
Alan Smith / Deputy Chief Medical Officer of the Department of Health
Paul Bolger / Director of the Department of Health Resources Division
Colm Bergin / Consultant Infectious Diseases, St. James’s Hospital and Professor of Medicine, Trinity College Dublin
Tracey Conroy / Acute Hospitals Division of the Department of Health
John Cuddihy / Interim Director of the Health Protection Surveillance Centre (HPSC)
Cillian de Gascun / Director of the National Virus Reference Laboratory, Chair of the Coronavirus Expert Advisory Group
Colm Desmond / Corporate Legislation, Mental Health, Drugs Policy and Food Safety Division of the Department of Health
Colm Henry / Chief Clinical Officer of the Health Service Executive (HSE)
Lorraine Doherty / National Clinical Director for Health Protection of the HPSC and HSE
Mary Favier / President of the Irish College of General Practitioners (ICGP)
Fergal Goodman / Primary Care Division of the Department of Health
Kevin Kelleher / Assistant National Director of the HSE
Marita Kinsella / Director of the National Patient Safety Office at the Department of Health
Kathleen Mac Lellan / Social Care Division of the Department of Health
Jeanette Mc Callion / Medical Assessor of the Health Products Regulatory Authority (HPRA)
Tom McGuinness / Assistant National Director at the Office of Emergency Planning at the HSE
Siobhán Ní Bhrian / Lead for Integrated Care of the HSE
Philip Nolan / President of Maynooth University
Kate O’Flaherty / Head of Health and Wellbeing at the Department of Health
Darina O’Flanagan / Special Advisor to NPHET and the Department of Health
Siobhan O’Sullivan / Chief Bioethics Officer of the Department of Health
Michael Power / National Clinical Lead, Critical Care Programme, HSE Consultant in Anaesthetics and Intensive Care Medicine at Beaumont Hospital, Dublin
Phelim Quinn / Chief Executive Officer of the Health Information and Quality Authority (HIQA)
Máirín Ryan / Deputy Chief Executive and Director of Health Technology Assessment of HIQA
Breda Smyth / Director of Public Health Medicine of the HSE
Deirdre Watters / Head of Communications of the Department of Health
Liam Woods / National Director of Acute Operations of the HSE
David Walsh / National Director of Community Operations of the HSE
David Leach / Deputy National Director of Communications of the HSE
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Public_Health_Emergency_Team_(2020)
I’m sure finding which are Dr’s or relevant experts wouldn’t be difficult.
Work away there Clampers, and suss out the 60+ and their sub-committee ‘members’, and see who are the doctors (and incidentally, what they’re qualified in).
(as an aside…. did you enquire about Alice’s shop at the park, NikNakNeorum and Jimmy DeLa Salle after?) Louis the Lip was another character in Waterford.
Here’s a list from August.
Ms Marita Kinsella, Director, NPSO, DOH
Ms Sarah Treleaven, CMO Division, DOH
Dr Matthew Robinson, Specialist Registrar in Public Health, DOH
Ms Lyndsey Drea, Communications Unit, DOH
Mr Gerry O’ Brien, Acting Director, Health Protection Division
Dr Elaine Breslin, Clinical Assessment Manager, HPRA (alternate for Jeanette McCallion) Dr Trish Markham, HSE
Ms Deirdre McNamara, HSE (alternate for Dr Colm Henry)
Ms Aoife Gillivan, Communications Unit, DOH
Dr Heather Burns, Deputy Chief Medical Officer, DOH
Dr Desmond Hickey, Deputy Chief Medical Officer, DOH
Ms Fidelma Browne, Communications Division, HSE (alternate for Mr David Leach)
Mr Ronan O’Kelly, R&D and Health Analytics Division, DOH
Ms Sheona Gilsenan, R&D and Health Analytics Division, DOH
Ms Justyna Szewczyk, Policy and Strategy Division, DOH
Dr Kevin Kelleher, Assistant National Director, Public Health, HSE
Prof Philip Nolan, President, National University of Ireland, Maynooth and Chair of the Irish Epidemiological Modelling Advisory Group (IEMAG)
Dr Cillian de Gascun, Laboratory Director, NVRL and Expert Advisory Group (EAG) Chair Dr Lorraine Doherty, National Clinical Director Health Protection, HSE
Dr John Cuddihy, Interim Director, HSE HPSC
Dr Michael Power, Consultant in Anaesthetics / Intensive Care Medicine, Beaumont Hospital Dr Siobhán Ní Bhriain, Lead for Integrated Care, HSE
Dr Mary Favier, President, Irish College of General Practitioners (ICGP)
Mr David Leach, Communications, HSE
Dr Siobhán O’Sullivan, Chief Bioethics Officer, DOH
Dr Colette Bonner, Deputy Chief Medical Officer, DOH
Mr Colm Desmond, Assistant Secretary, Corporate Legislation, Mental Health, Drugs Policy and Food Safety Division, DOH
Ms Yvonne O’Neill, National Director, Community Operations, HSE
Dr Catherine Fleming, ID Physician UCHG (Alternative for Colm Bergin)
Mr Fergal Goodman, Assistant Secretary, Primary Care Division, DOH
Mr Liam Woods, National Director, Acute Operations, HSE
Dr Kathleen MacLellan, Assistant Secretary, Social Care Division, DOH
Ms Kate O’Flaherty, Head of Health and Wellbeing, DOH
Ms Deirdre Watters, Communications Unit, DOH
Mr Phelim Quinn, Chief Executive, HIQA
Mr Tom McGuinness, Assistant National Director for Emergency Management, HSE
Dr Keith Lyons,
Mr Liam Robinson,
Ms Ruth Brandon,
Mr Ivan Murphy
Ms Tracey Conroy, Assistant Secretary, Acute Hospitals Policy Division, DOH
Mr David Keating, Communicable Diseases Policy Unit, DOH;
Dr Colm Henry, Chief Clinical Officer (CCO), HSE; Prof Colm Bergin, Consultant in Infectious Diseases, St James’s Hospital;
Dr Eibhlín Connolly, Deputy Chief Medical Officer, DOH;
Mr David Leach, Communications, HSE;
Dr Máirín Ryan, Deputy Chief Executive and Director of HTA, HIQA;
Dr Darina O’Flanagan, Special Advisor to the NPHET.
Ant that doesn’t even include the sub committees.
Why so many?
At what cost?
Spread it out. No one becomes responsible.
Google Nphet sub groups. There are quite a few.
Here’s just one. https://assets.gov.ie/71812/ec280f23af4446e5b02a17790610c50e.pdf
‘Vulnerable people sub group’
original Members
Dr Kathleen Mac Lellan, Assistant Secretary, Social Care.
Dr John Devlin, The Irish Prison Service Ms Carol Baxter, Assistant Secretary
Mr Michael Kirrane, Assistant Secretary.
Department of Children and Youth Affairs
Albert O’Donoghue, Principal Officer
Department of Housing, Planning and Local Government
Mary Hurley, Assistant Secretary David Kelly (Alternate)
Local Government Management Agency,
Eileen Gleeson, Director of the Dublin Region Homeless Executive
Mary Flynn (Alternate)
Department of Education and Skills
Daltan Tattan, Assistant Secretary
Department of Defence
David Buckley
Department of Rural and Community Development
Bairbre Nic Aonghusa, Assistant Secretary,
Community Operations – Health Service Executive
Jim Ryan, Head of Operations Mental Health.
Public Health Specialist
Dr Margaret Fitzgerald, National Public Health Lead Social inclusion and Vulnerable groups.
Voluntary Sector
Sean Moynihan, CEO Alone
Public Representative
Brigid Doherty
Health Information and Quality Authority
Mary Dunnion,
Susan Cliffe (Alternate)
National Cancer Control Programme
Dr Caitriona Mc Carthy
Chronic Disease (COPD) Representative
Joan Johnston
Department of Health
Berneen Laycock, Chief Nurses Officer
Department of Health
Sarah Cooney, Principal Officer, Older Persons Projects
Department of Health
Andy Conlon, Principal Officer, Primary Care
Department of Health
Celeste O’Callaghan, Principal Officer. Acute Hospitals
Department of Health
Dave Maguire, Principal Officer, Mental Health Unit,
Department of Health
Clare Lewis, Deputy Chief Nursing Officer
Department of Health
Louise Carrigan, Accountant, Finance Unit
Department of Health
Malachy Corcoran, Governance and Performance
Division
Department of Public Expenditure and Reform
Mairead Emerson, Civil Service HR
Department of Finance
Klare Havelin, Civil Service HR
Disability Umbrella Groups Representative
Dr Joanne Mc Carthy, Disability Federation of Ireland.
Department of Health/HIQA
Dr Máirín Ryan, Deputy Chief Executive and Director of Health Technology Assessment,
Mental Health Commission
Rosemary Smyth, Director Standards & Quality Assurance, Training & Development
It’ is a consultancy feeding ground- how much are all of these costing?
Most of them seem to be public service. So they don’t get paid extra to be on a committee.
According to Varadkar, there are just 40 people in Nphet.
“One thing that needs to be borne in mind is that these are very good people – 40 of them – but all coming from medical, scientific or civil service backgrounds.”
Facts not high on his agenda.
…a senior government source says it’s politicians against doctors…
Something is off anyway
Just look at the list of NPHET Committee Members Clampers threw up there
And count how many are Dept of Health Employees, and HSE Employees
One relies on the other for its budget allocation – which we know is in the billions and beyond + top ups
Likewise with oversight, which it has catastrophically failed at
Combined those numbers of DoH and HSE people are significant and in the majority. They control this committee
Ever think they are racking up the stay the fluic at home and don’t open the front door to anyone lads cause no matter where this virus is – contagion rate, numbers or stage of its virulence, they wouldn’t be able for it anyway
Go back to last winter, everything in the news was numbers on trollies, and operational failures ie screening services, NCH overrun etc
Look, all I’m saying is
there is a risk that as the DoH/ HSE control NPHET the problems of dominant Influence need to be assessed
Also worth remembering that the current Government have three former Health Ministers who know exactly what’s under the bonnet in the DoH/ HSE
So maybe the lads called Their bluff
I’m not sure where you are going with this?
You seem surprised that a Committee established by the Department of Health to provide advice across the health service and the wider public service, on the national response to COVID is full of DOH and HSE bodies? Why are you surprised? Who else could provide such advice?
I am not surprised there is a large number of DoH/ HSE people there
but it is dangerously lopsided
But why not consultants from the Private Sector or even the Central Bank and Revenue
Economists
Educationalists
Community Care and Local Authority Groups
Sporting Bodies
The Courts and the Prison Services
Other Sector Specific Lobby Groups, like Airlines, Private Transport, Haulage, Retail, Farming
If there is ever a risk of another Health Care related cover up or even an attempt
All the ingredients are there in the current NPHET profile/ member composition
At the very least, the conflict of interest that we call Fee Influence is all over it
Point out one independent member of NPHET
You should be asking what % of Politicians are Doctors or even have a third level Science degree. Or have you had enough of experts, like Michael Gove?
Remarkable coincidence…
I had no idea that Paul Murphy was such a know-nothing adolescent opportunist…
The replies to his tweet are gas – he really can’t read the room.
…wondering where you’d got to Bog_R…
He’s an awful tool
Oh, the reactionary Twitter room or an actual room?
Man, Paul really is just a “everything the government do is bad” kinda guy
I’ve no love for this government, but man – today’s decision not to go to level 5 was 100% correct.
In fairness.
Curfew for teenagers. Normality for the rest of us. Problem solved.
Not the way it would work though. A resistance has to be built up to it. Curfew for the elderly and party time for the young is the long term solution. (If you shield the teenagers from it now, ) you’re only putting off the inevitable that they’ll catch is in their 20’s, 30’s etc. and today’s middle aged folk will then be…. the elderly.
you really are the most tremendous dryshite
Profit before people. Your dead relatives are acceptable collateral damage for maskhole donkeys, landlords, publicans and politicians
According to Ewetube no doubt.
The statement above, actually.
Paul Murphys statement? Did you even read it?
“If it’s accurate that govt is rejecting public health advice, this will be the decision that encapsulates how private profits come before public health and lives for FF/FG”
So there he is commenting about government not heeding health advice, and you’re calling him a donkey. Press ‘reset’ there Daisy. Youre all over the place now.
That’s a tweet, not a statement. And there’s more than the tweet quoted. You need to calm down in your zeal to come across as clever cos it’s cringeworthy how you keep self owning. Even I’m feeling sorry for you.
He made a statement in a tweet. You’re coming across more and more as lacking education.
Paul feels that the only damage to poor people will be because of a no lock down- how many non nationals does he actually know?
They clearly don’t vote- at least for him.
There’s more than a tweet quoted.
I’d bet what’s left of my life savings that had the government approved level 5, Paul Murphy and Richard Boyd Barrett would have opposed it and said it’s going to impact society far greater than covid
I’m afraid that you are correct.
As this stuff goes on, it’s becoming more apparent that the any opposition is just unwarranted criticising.
They should have said that it was the right decision.
Honestly, the more I listen to this fellah makes me think he’s the only one making sense
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGBP8EgsUbY
Yes- Michael McNamara is definitely not part of the religious fear cult.
This is what happens when politicians forget who elected them.
https://twitter.com/darrengrimes_/status/1313112496316837888
I thought this was interesting –
https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2020/1005/1169604-who-covid-spread/
WHO believes 10% of world has had Covid-19 –
“To date, more than 35 million cases of Covid-19 have been registered worldwide, including some 1.04 million who have died, according to an AFP tally based on official sources.
But the WHO now estimates that around a tenth of the planet’s 7.8 billion or so people have already been infected since the virus first surfaced in China late last year – more than 20 times the official count.”
So, based on my maths, that leaves us with a fatality rate of 0.13% (0.128%) and survival rate of 99.87%?
Added to this, we already know that the Covid numbers have been exaggerated to give us that 1.04 million number and in Ireland, 95% of those who died had a known underlying condition. How deadly is this virus that sees us destroy more and more livelihoods and childhoods by the day?
Absolutely the correct decision made. Good to see Holohan and co knocked down a peg or two
It’s really odd to see the fetishisation and cult of personality that’s grown up around this guy.
holohan v luke o’neill
its the blur v oasis of our time
Oh Danny Boy- the German courts are calling…
How the hell is Holohan in a job after the cervical cancer scandal?
That McClonkey spanner is on RTE 1.
Now Richard Boyd Barrett saying that poor people should become poorer- which he will never be of course.
RBB said “poor people should become poorer”?
I didnt see it but am pretty sure he never said such a thing