Faith In Public

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At the weekend.

Fr Seán Mulligan, parish priest of Carrickmacross, County Monaghan, speaks out (starts @2minutes ) from the pulpit against rona restrictions…

“We are gradually moving towards a totalitarian approach to government where are freedom is slowly being stripped away from us.

Our freedom to travel, to come and go as we please, the freedom to come together as a family with friends in our own home, our freedom to peaceful protest. And even our freedom to practice our faith in public.

So what has happened to Catholic Ireland.

If we look at the preamble to the 1937 Constitution which states as follows:

‘In the Name of the Most Holy Trinity, from Whom is all authority and to Whom, as our final end, all actions both of men and States must be referred, We, the people of Éire,Humbly acknowledging all our obligations to our Divine Lord, Jesus Christ, Who sustained our fathers through centuries of trial, Gratefully remembering their heroic and unremitting struggle to regain the rightful independence of our Nation, And seeking to promote the common good, with due observance of Prudence, Justice and Charity, so that the dignity and freedom of the individual may be assured, true social order attained, the unity of our country restored, and concord established with other nations,Do hereby adopt, enact, and give to ourselves this Constitution.’

And in Article 44 of that same Constitution

‘The State acknowledges that the homage of public worship is due to Almighty God. It shall hold His Name in reverence, and shall respect and honour religion.’

So what has happened to our country in the intervening 80 plus years?”

Anyone?

And we wish Fr Sean the very best in his new career outside the church, probably abroad.

That’ll learn him.

Paul McEvoy (Facebook)


Thanks SOQ

21 thoughts on “Faith In Public

  1. Johnny

    If you’ve ever been to Carrickmacross,Tyrone:)……..he’s just put in for the transfer,well played father.

  2. Micko

    Sure it’s grand

    Science IS the new religion ;-)

    “Publish or perish” has ruined what was once a bastion of enlightenment in our world.

      1. Micko

        Ah it is. Sure half the stuff published nowadays is pants and you almost have to have “a faith of sorts” to believe in it

        And my chemistry professor called back in the day.

        “Too many papers published” he would say, “Too little work and not enough reviewing”.
        I’m paraphrasing of course, but you get the idea.

        But, I’m sure you’re right and he was wrong Ian

        Oh wait…

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis

        1. ian-oh

          Micko: Science IS the new religion ;-)

          ian-oh: Its not really.

          Micko: And my chemistry professor called back in the day, something, something about output over quality leading up to the replication crisis problem; Ha! You think you know more than my chemistry professor.

          ian-oh: Nope, just saying that science is not the new religion. But feel free to *believe* that, makes you sound almost….religious-ish.

          1. Micko

            Yeah, you’re not really coming up with a constructive argument there ian

            My point is that to the general population, science is treated very much like a religion now.

            It cannot be questioned by the general public – if they do, they are called idiots (heretics) and asked where “your qualifications is?” or “are you a doctor?” (the priests know best- who are you to question them)

            The deference shown to Doctors and scientists is similar to what we used to show priests and clergy. Look at the rise of the “medi-celeb” in our culture.
            I mean WT absolute F?

            And don’t get me wrong. science is wonderous, I absolutely loved it in college (alas, I never worked in it after college – switched to the arts instead)

            And again I’m not talking about the scientific method or peer-reviewed data. I’m talking about how the general population views it.

            The pressure to publish has created a situation where a lot of new papers are no longer based on grounded facts, hundreds of thousands of papers are produced every year.

            Hundreds of thousands of brand new discoveries – come off it would you!!

            Papers that grab headlines and lead the general population to believe in false things – things that are not true, and when they are finally peer-reviewed and possibly found false, that paper makes page 12, not page 1.

            Anything that causes people to believe in false things without question – things that are not true, well that’s a religion in my book.

            So we’ll just have to disagree ;-)

          2. ian-oh

            You can disagree with whoever you like, science is not and never will be like religion.

            You can expand your original answer until its so far off its a different one, but the fact remains that people treating science like religion is one thing, but science is not like religion.

            You even seem to be having an argument with me without me being party to it:

            ”Hundreds of thousands of brand new discoveries – come off it would you!!”

            Em, sorry, was that for me?

          3. Janet, dreams of warm feet

            ok I’ll bite, science can be proven, infact must be, sky fairies categorically can not and are therefore in no way comparable to beliefs based on indoctrinated unquantifiable harmful bullcrap

          4. ian-oh

            What Janet said with an additional proviso that it can also be shown to be wrong, one of the more famous examples was Hawking’s black hole theory.

            What you probably meant to say Micko was that ‘some people are putting their faith into science to the same extent they did with religion” which is correct.

            Science is science, people not being honest, people skewing results to be published to further their academic career is just people doing bad things, but science, thankfully, is open to correction, when it isn’t we are into the realms of belief and faith which are not open to correction?

            I could be wrong but I think that was the original point you were making?

          5. Micko

            @Janet my “suuuure” reply was to Ian, not you. Dunno what happened there.

            Problem is though – the general public only really see the headlines of “false” or bad science. Maybe I’m not explaining myself properly.

            The pressure for academics to publish has led to all sorts of papers being published that have no basis in real science and have lazy conclusions.

            This bad science then makes headlines that are swallowed by the public as gospel “it’s science after all” and any attempt by anyone to not believe it is met with calls of heresy.

            Sure, look at the now disproved modelling around Covid19 on this very site. Anyone who questioned the modelling at the start of the pandemic was pummeled into submission by the “science-elite”.

            Even now, when it’s brought up that the Irish Gov said that 85K could die from this disease, the same few still defend the modelling. Even though that would be nearly three times the population that die every year in Ireland.

            Even now, when we know that Covid is nowhere near as lethal as we initially thought, we still go ahead with restrictions and lockdowns because the original science said it was lethal as hell.

            Anyway, if you get my point. I don’t have an issue with the scientific method or its principles. It’s possible the greatest concept we’ve ever made.

            I have a major issue with the way it’s worshipped by the public now.

            Science is a principle, a method – now people see it as a belief system which to belittle others.

            Ye know – like a religion! ;-)

          6. SOQ

            OK Ian here is two examples of how ‘science’ got corrupted and skewed.

            The first was the fraudulent paper saying that Hydroxychloroquine was dangerous. That has been proved to be false but was seized on by the WHO to dismiss a drug which while not a cure, could potentially save lives.

            The second was the 3-4 low grade pro mask papers which contradicted the most of 40 years of science saying the exact opposite and they have dictated the wearing of masks without any real evidence. Sweden is currently proving this point of course.

            Science evolves through a process of poof and challenges. The problem is that in the middle of that process is a pharmaceutical industry with a big check-book, so as the saying goes- it is as easy to bribe a scientist as it is to bribe a politician.

            Unfortunately what we are witnessing right now is a belief system masquerading as science so- I am with Mick on this one.

          7. paddy apathy

            Stop SOQ will ye:
            The drug has long been used to treat malaria, lupus and rheumatoid arthritis. At the start of the pandemic, a handful of small, poorly designed studies suggested that it could block the coronavirus from replicating in cells.
            Since then, the data on hydroxychloroquine’s effectiveness against the virus has been mixed. The early, seemingly promising results, bolstered by political pressure, prompted the Food and Drug Administration to grant the drug an emergency authorization for use in very sick Covid-19 patients. Follow-up studies, however, found the drug neither sped recovery nor prevented healthy people from contracting the coronavirus or progressing to serious disease.
            The F.D.A. ultimately revoked its emergency approval. The agency now warns that hydroxychloroquine can cause dangerous abnormalities in heart rhythm in coronavirus patients. Researchers have also conducted large reviews concluding that hydroxychloroquine does not benefit Covid-19 patients, and have reaffirmed the risks of side effects in these individuals.

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