Donald Trump (left) and Joe Biden

This morning.

To recap…

…The Trump campaign has filed lawsuits in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Arizona asking judges to stop state officials from certifying the vote in the US Presidential Election 2020.

Via Wall Street Journal:

Denying Mr. Biden the 47 electoral votes in those three states would block his path to securing a majority. Mr. Biden leads by about 50,000 votes, or 0.75%, in Pennsylvania; by about 146,000 votes, or 2.6%, in Michigan; and by about 13,000 votes, or 0.4%, in Arizona.

Few courts have considered similar requests in the past, leaving few precedents.

[States use their popular vote for president to send a set number of electors to formally vote for president in the Electoral College. The Constitution says state legislatures shall determine how the electors are chosen, leading to speculation about what would happen with deadlocked results.]

Asked about the Trump campaign’s attempts to delay certification in some states, Biden campaign general counsel Dana Remus said Tuesday: “They simply have no evidence, and to succeed in a lawsuit that will stop certification, there has to be evidence of a problem with the process.”

In Pennsylvania, government officials say the law doesn’t allow the Legislature to send up a pro-Trump set of electors.

Arizona is scheduled to certify its election results on Nov. 30. Michigan and Pennsylvania have deadlines of Nov. 23, under most circumstances.

What Is Trump’s Legal Strategy? Try to Block Certification of Biden Victory in States (WSJ)




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101 thoughts on “Two More Weeks

  1. Johnny

    The WSJ covers politics as it does climate change-great interview by Trumbull here.

    “Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp has attempted to defuse Malcolm Turnbull’s criticism of its coverage of the national bushfire crisis and climate change following a heated debate on ABC’s Q&A between the former prime minister and a senior journalist.”

    Hope springs eternal……

      1. Daisy Chainsaw

        Fiddlin with his pen is better than having his hand down his pants in front of someone he’s been told is 15 years old.

    1. Johnny

      …’s the Wall Street Journal,the house bible of vulture funds,not really changing public opinion.nor widely read,but the weekend edition does have great property porn.if you in market for a 100 mil mansion…..
      It’s a coup on the cheap,he’s broke and desperate,not a good look….

      1. Johnny

        Don’t hate the player….
        …the diff this time is yesterday,and he’s broke.
        single-day all time high 144k US cases
        All time high 65.4k COVID patients hospitalized.
        >1500 deaths in single day,
        highest since May.
        Death lag is ~3 weeks.
        December will be horrendous

          1. Johnny

            ….I’m agnostic regarding the noise,I ignore most,it’s just a game for most politicians,theatre.
            If he want be president he needs start acting like it,the bodies are piling up,again.
            How’s the task force….

          1. Nigel

            It certainly makes for interesting reading, and it’s a bit more credible than anonymous postings on a child-porn website.

          2. Nigel

            More than I believe Pizzagate, or Trump’s claims of fraud.

            Oh, and more than I believe Obamagate. Forgot that one. But then again so has everyone.

          3. Pat Mustard

            Pizzagate was uninvestigated, went on for barely a Summer, and cost the taxpayers nothing. Russia gate went on for 4 years costing millions.

            Try harder Nigel. In terms of tinfoil you’re way out in front..

          4. Nigel

            That’s the difference between a fake 4chan scam and something that causes serious criminal and national security concerns Pat.

          5. Pat Mustard

            No Nigel, you don’t know the difference. Trump derangement has broken you. Take a break from the Internet.

          6. Pat Mustard

            No Nigel, you don’t know. One day Barr is a liar, the next he’s the embodiment of truth. Take a break from the Internet.

          7. Johnny

            dumb, dumb and dumber.
            ..campaign adviser Corey Lewandowski tested positive for COVID-19 yesterday, CBS News confirmed,he got it in Philly, where he’s been since late last week working on the campaign’s legal challenges. He doesn’t have symptoms & is working from quarantine…

    2. SOQ

      Illegal votes are not democratic Nigel- they are fraud. There is always a certain level of fraudulent activity in every election but it remains to be seen if there is enough this time to change the outcome. The republicans are well within their rights to challenge where they see fit and it is up to the courts to decide.

      As for duration- it took Gore over a month to contest one state- so who knows when this will end.

      1. Nigel

        Votes are legal unless proven otherwise. They haven’t proven a single fraudulent Biden vote so far. The Repubicans are within their rights if they have evidence, which so far they have not, which means this is an attempt to oveturn a democratic election.

        Bush’s margin was tiny, and Republicans threw everything at it to prevent a recount, including staging a riot at a counting centre. That got us 9-11 the Iraq War and a global recession. Assuming good faith from the Republicans is neither objective nor rreasonable.

        1. SOQ

          You, like the rest of us, have no idea what evidence they may or may not have because they are still collecting affidavits and still speaking to alleged whistle blowers. The identities of some being kept secret because of security concerns of course.

          Time will tell.

          1. Nigel

            You can see the court filings, SOQ. They’re in the public record. They’re not still collecting evidence, they’re getting ready to pull more stunts.

          2. Junkface

            It doesn’t matter what kind of reports or links debunking the ridiculous, fantasy, fraud claims from Trump you send to SOQ. He is firmly in the Trump cult or else the usual GOP related conspiracy websites.

            If you believe the fraud claims without seeing the evidence, you are a rube. Trumps favourite type of person. Washington experts spent yesterday going through all of them one by one, all debunked. There was also the report that a Trump supporter and postal worker admitted receiving $120,000 for lying about voter fraud from a GOP superPAC.

          3. SOQ

            So- one if the largest political party in the US is taking legal action in a number of states and it all just conspiracy theories then is it? Do you honestly thing they are going to all this trouble without some reason?

            Some of the best lawyers in the country- on both sides- are lining up and to even consider what their arguments may be is apparently- pro Trump.

            Let me ask you a question- if accusations were made in an Irish election that observers from one or more parties were not allowed to monitor a count- would you not want an inquiry?

            To just wave the high hand and dismiss these accusation is incredibly dangerous when so many think fraud was committed- let the courts decide- that is what they are there for.

          4. Nigel

            Snce the head of the Republican Party is broadcastng obvious lies about fraud and observers all over the internet, I think it’s safe to assume there’s no merit to the charges. If anyone in Ireland made those kinds of fake charges there would be Total Nuclear War. Vanessa would personally crucify any dope brazen enough to try undermining the electoral system for personal gain.

            (Obviously they’re doing it for a reason – to either overturn a democratic election or deligitimise a Biden presidency, to drive fundraising, to solidify Trump as head of the GOP, to cover up shenangians in the administration, to angle for immunity for said and other shenanigans, to keep their base mobilised, to normalise future baselss challanges in order to repeatedly sabotage and undermine Democrat victories. There’s no end of reasons, and they’re all ugly and malicious.)

          5. ReproBertie

            “if accusations were made in an Irish election that observers from one or more parties were not allowed to monitor a tally count- would you not want an inquiry?”
            This issue has been debunked completely in every state. Observers were allowed.

            Mitch McConnell said that the media don’t decide elections and yet he had photoshoots with new Republican congress members whose election was announced by the media. It’s all a circus and it’s going nowhere.

          6. Junkface

            Yes one of the biggest parties in the US is hostage to a cult leader. How do you not understand this? Senate republicans have been secretly trying to find a way out of this, but they are stuck because he got such a large amount of votes. They don’t know whether to run or hide.

            Why believe the accusations of a proven record breaking liar and narcissist like Trump without waiting to see if they are thrown out of court by judges? Have you watched Rising reporters on youtube debunk every claim which I posted earlier?

            If accusations were made in Ireland of a similar nature about an election, I would be concerned and yes I would want them investigated, but if they came from Danny Healy Rae I would approach with caution, as he is insane. No evidence, no investigation.

        2. ReproBertie

          The Republican investigation did turn up one deceased voter!

          Unfortunately she died after she voted and she had voted Republican.

          It’s a start though!

        3. SOQ

          @ Junkface- Why believe the accusations of a proven record breaking liar and narcissist like Trump without waiting to see if they are thrown out of court by judges? Have you watched Rising reporters on youtube debunk every claim which I posted earlier?.

          I never said I believed him but I do believe in due process. RNC Chair Ronna McDaniel is claiming that 11,000 people have come forward with voter fraud claims. If true, that all takes time to process and collate, so dismal of anything at this stage is just wishful thinking.

          Have you guys not learned anything about Trump? he was written off at every step of the way and he still came out on top. All I am saying is that this thing is not over until the fat lady sings and until then, I am not ruling anybody in or out until then.

          And as for the Healy-Rays- a LOT of people vote for them and they deserve the same due process as anyone else. It is not up to you or anyone else to decide that they should be treated any differently.

          1. Nigel

            Aw bless. They’re Republicans, scions of white privelege. If there’s one group of people in little to no danger of being denied due process, it’s them, not that it’ll stop them whining about it. Believing in due process is not the same as suspending your judgement.

          2. SOQ

            But that is the point- it is you that is suspending judgement because until you see the full extent of those legal claims- which you have no way of knowing right now- you are only speculating.

            Georgia is to conduct a hand count and full audit of every single vote- Biden currently leads by about 14,000 votes- what are the odds that will be overturned?

          3. Nigel

            I’m not suspending judgement, I’m applying it to the past and current behaviour of those involved, and that tells me this is all malarkey. If it doesn’t tell you the same, you’re not so much suspending judgement as switching off your brain.

            The odds of the Georgia outcome being overturned by a recount are miniscule.

          4. Junkface

            Also, remember on election night Trump declared himself winner! Most states were not even passed 50% of the vote counts. This shows you clearly Trumps intention to steal the election.

            Everyone arguing about respecting voters rights and taking claims of voter fraud seriously, has to take into account who started this. If Trump had any merit or dignity left and showed proof on his claims, then I’m sure people would have been more concerned in the political world.

            There’s a reason why ‘The boy who cried Wolf’ is an important fable all over the world.

          5. SOQ

            Everyone arguing about respecting voters rights and taking claims of voter fraud seriously, has to take into account who started this.

            No they don’t- IT’S THE LAW. As for proof of claims- in due course I expect. Naming whistle blowers at this stage could put their lives in danger.

            Trump just tweeted that Dominion (software) deleted 2.7 million votes nationwide- 221 000 from Trump to Biden in Pennsylvania alone- where exactly is he getting such figures from?

            They sure are coming from somewhere.

          6. Nigel

            Judges have to assess the evidence presented. Everybody else can take into account who has started this and adjust expectations accordingly.

            They can do what they like with their whistleblowers, until they testify. If safety is a concern, rather than subterfuge, maybe they should have a word with Trump singling out voting officials for false accusations of fraud who then get subjected to death threats.

            As for his numbers, where have you been for the last four years? The last four days?
            He. Is, Making. Them. Up.

      2. Oro

        As Elle Woods will tell you, you have to have evidenciary support for these claims. That’s why the Trump campaign has been failing in almost all of these cases filed thus far.

        Given that Goldstein tried to dodge the exact question about voter fraud, the judge restated it.
        “I understand,” he told Goldstein. “I am asking you a specific question, and I am looking for a specific answer. Are you claiming that there is any fraud in connection with these 592 disputed ballots?”
        “To my knowledge at present, no,” Goldstein said.
        “Are you claiming that there is any undue or improper influence upon the elector with respect to these 592 ballots,” queried the judge.
        “To my knowledge at present, no,” was Goldstein’s reply.
        In other words, there’s nothing to see here. But we’re going to make a stink about it anyway.

        “This court finds that while there are assertions made by the plaintiffs that there is no evidence in support of those assertions,” said Judge Timothy Kenny in denying a request to delay certification of election results.

        “The claims are baseless,” Hobbs said. “At this point folks are grasping at straws.”

        “The court finds that there is no evidence that the ballots referenced in the petition were received after 7:00 p.m. on [Election Day], thereby making those ballots invalid,” Judge James F. Bass wrote, in dismissing the case.

        The Trump campaign and the Nevada Republican Party claimed that “irregularities have plagued the election” in Clark County, the state’s most populous county, without providing evidence. They argued that the county should not be able to use a machine to verify signatures, but federal Judge Andrew Gordon rejected the request.

        TL;DR – It is over. Trump lost. He’s just throwing the toys out of the pram. They don’t have any evidence, as is being borne out in their own lawsuits. It’s all distraction and bluster, none of the results will be overturned because they are real results. I know secretly (not so secretly) you’re upset about your guy losing but move on.

        1. johnny

          show me the money.
          ..Bill Stepien dialed into a private call for top donors and allies to insist his candidate could still win the race — and ask them one more time to chip in.

          The margins are close, Stepien said, and the campaign is still fighting. And while he recognized the call was meant as a briefing on the recount fights and not a fundraiser, Stepien made an ask anyway: He urged the donors to go to the campaign website and give to Trump’s legal defense fund…

          these suckers deserve each other.

          …the fine print indicates much of the money donated to support that effort since Election Day has instead paid down campaign debt, replenished the Republican National Committee and, more recently, helped get Save America, a new political action committee Trump founded, off the ground….

          he’s broke,a busted flush,deadbead,
          DB-deutsche is shopping his loans,best outcome is a ‘friendly’ vulture fund buys them,but debt relief/forgiveness is a taxable,it gets taxed as income…
          so if a lender say forgave a 100 million loan-the IRS treats that as income…rock and hard place.

  2. v AKA Frilly Keane

    Laughing Stock of the World

    no more biggest Democracy in the World
    no more biggest Military in the World
    no more biggest whatever your having yerselves in the World

    but firmly the biggest Laughing Stock in the World

    1. Johnny

      Who won the “world” series,to most yanks America is the world:)
      You sound like a east coast elite…’s middle America,white trash that’s the problem,but it’s slipping slowly into irelavance,thankfully.

      1. v AKA Frilly Keane

        Yet oddly enough I would never use the expression
        middle America, white trash

        and for what its worth
        – and both sides are equally guilty of this
        Its the sustained use of hardcore polemic rhetoric in all forms of political discussion, debate, opinion, campaign policies and strategies,
        From the very top of the Party, to the Candidates
        and even down onto the local canvas

        that’s the problem

        1. Nigel

          No. They are not ‘equally’ guilty. There is no Democratic equivalent to what Trump is doing right now, or what he has been doing for the last four years.

          1. v AKA Frilly Keane

            White Trash
            100s more stuff,

            or Michelle Obama’s when they go low we go high
            Their own White House telling non Democratic Party voters that they & their voters were all better than those that aren’t them or voting for them

            That constituency today is over 70 million voters

            What Trump is doing right now – fair enough
            that’s why I called ‘Merika a Laughing Stock

            but the division and the hard finger pointing goes back to 2016

          2. Nigel

            Like I thought, nothing remotely comparable. You have to go back to 2016 for two examples by anyone prominent, the rest are either perfectly defensible – the Nazis do love him – or idiots on twitter. Apparently it’s wrong to think you might be better than the people who support voter supression and overturning an election.

          3. V aka Frilly Keane

            Ah would ya give over

            Biden’s entire race was a rerun of 2016
            Which the Dems have been running since 2016
            First three years of Trump’s White House has been their opposition was Democrats regurgitating their Clinton campaign

          4. Nigel

            What, the 2016 campaign of proposing policies which mostly get ignored by the media for Trump’s antics? They managed to make it work for them this time.

        2. Oro

          It really is stacked one way more than the other V. And it’s dishonest to claim otherwise.
          To give you an example (from many), November 1st this year is the day that the Day of the Dead festival occurred, where Mexican Americans remember those they have lost during the year. Donald Trump decided to declare that same day a national day of remembrance for americans killed by illegal aliens. No day of mourning for the 250,000 or so people who have died from COVID, or any acknowledgement that that has disproportionately affected the Hispanic community, instead he decided to troll them. And of course praised ICE in his press release about it.

  3. f_lawless

    I highly recommend listening to this interview with NYU Professor and long-time campaigner for US election integrity, Mark Crispin Miller, whose gives a very insightful explanation (from a non-partisan perspective) of how US electoral politics has evolved in the modern era.

    1. Daisy Chainsaw

      An hour and 10 minutes? Jaykers!

      Where does his “non partisan” batpoopery fit in with his belief that 9/11 was an inside job, Andrew Wakefield is right and climate change isn’t real?

        1. Nigel

          Pat believes 911 was an inside job, vaccinations cause autism and climate change isn’t real, but don’t you DARE imply he’s a Republican, he’s got some standards.

          1. Eoghan O'Mahony

            911 was an inside job. To believe the Official story requires one ignore the basic laws of the universe and physics. Only those who have done absolutely no research of their own on the topic still believe the official version. Perhaps you could start by explaining how a steel structured building that was never hit by any plane and only suffered office fires across one side of the building saw all of its supporting columns fail at precisely the same time resulting in collapse at rate of freefall?

            In respect of your vaccine comment, Pediatric neurologist Dr. Andrew Zimmerman originally served as the expert medical witness for the government, which defends vaccines in federal vaccine court. Dr. Zimmerman has signed a sworn affidavit in which he says that, during a group of 5,000 vaccine-autism cases being heard in court on June 15, 2007, he took aside the Department of Justice (DOJ) lawyers he worked for defending vaccines and told them he’d discovered “exceptions in which vaccinations could cause autism.” Dr. Zimmerman signed a sworn affidavit in which he swears that, during a group of 5,000 vaccine-autism cases being heard in court on June 15, 2007, he took aside the Department of Justice (DOJ) lawyers he worked for defending vaccines and told them he’d discovered “exceptions in which vaccinations could cause autism.”“I explained that in a subset of children, vaccine-induced fever and immune stimulation did cause regressive brain disease with features of autism spectrum disorder,”

            As for climate change, it’s very real and has been happening since the dawn of time. We’re actually heading into a protracted cooling period now. The claim that manmade emissions are the primary driver of climate change and are pushing the world towards a climate disaster is complete BS.

            Just like you follow the globalist voices of authority on Covid, you gullibly believe everything they tell you about these subjects. It’s the very same financial based interests who are behind all four. People like you NEVER follow the money. They present an official sounding organisation and you just swallow their pronouncements whole. You have no understanding of who is behind these organisations nor what their ideology or agenda actually is. Who created the WWF? Who created the UNEP? Who drafted the Terms of Reference for the IPCC? Who are the prime funders of the WHO? Who was behind the unexplained surge in financial transactions made just before two hijacked planes crashed into New York’s World Trade Center Sept. 11? Who made billions from insurance having insured the WTC buildings, both asbestos riddled, for $3.55 billion (when they’d just been valued at half that) in July 2001 and collected the largest single insurance settlement in history totalling €4.55 billion? Ah, why ask you, you’re not going to know the answer to a single one of these….

          2. Rosette of Sirius

            Where do you stand on chemtrails, the Illuminati, Flat Earth, Fluoridation, Sandy Hook and, I dunno, let’s go with Denver Airport?

          3. Eoghan O'Mahony

            @ Nigel – I am following science. You’re not. You’re following scientists, and only those from “official sounding bodies”. Scientists are just people, and like all people can be corruptible and finance and career focused. People like you treat them like high priests or oracles of old, swallowing without question their sermons, declarations and future predictions. You treat them as infallible. How dare anyone question these “experts and “scientists”!! Who do they think they are questioning these high priests, I mean scientists? No ordinary man could ever understand such subjects (this is the common intellectual inferiority complex most people suffer from). They should just shut up and follow everything then “scientists” tell them. Let’s just ignore the numerous scientists who diasgree with these narratives and claims.

            You think organisations like the IPCC are some kind of independent honest entitities representing the interests of global society, just like you probably believe the same about the WHO. These are political organisations, not scientific; created, funded and directed by the richest and most powerful people in the world to act in the interests of the richest and most powerful people in the world. They sell you an illusion of “science” that serves their interests, just like they sell you “science” to make you spend and consume. When it comes from a big international organisation people like you think, oh, that’s official, must be true so.

            The people you see crying “Listen to the experts” are generally imbeciles who don’t even know what an expert actually is.

          4. Nigel

            I’m satisfied that anthropomorphic climate change is real. I don’t really take seriously people who say otherwise.

          5. Pat Mustard

            You were satisfied with Russia gate too, look how that went. You’ve plenty of form in the BS department.

    2. JEH

      Sorry, this casts a dark shadow over whatever he has to say. From his Wikipedia entry: “Miller is a signatory to the 9/11 Truth Statement[5] and a member of the 9/11 Truth movement.[6][7]”

      1. f_lawless

        JEH for what it’s worth, you won’t gain any genuine understanding of controversial political issues and the nature of the world by looking to Wikipedia to form your opinions

      2. Eoghan O'Mahony

        except he’s right. Anybody believing the Official 911 narrative has either done absolutely no research on the topic or is hopelessly stupid, or both.

      1. Eoghan O'Mahony

        interestingly, The Bloomberg Family Foundation is a leading funder of the World Health Organisation. The same financial interests always pop up when one digs into these global organisations.

    1. Junkface

      It’s mad isn’t it? There’s a real link between them and the whole anti-mask, anti-vaxx, nihilistic commenters. It’s like chatting on a forum in Kentucky or something sometimes.

      I believe in nothing! Everything is a conspiracy!


      1. Nigel

        They’ll repeat obviously bad-faith but vaguely reasonable-sounding right-wing claims then get mad when you point it out because they’re NOT right wing how dare you, then move on to the less reasonable stuff because the libs and the MSM drove them to it.

      2. ian-oh

        It’s the utter lack of introspection that gets me.

        They will pivot and pirouette like a lunatic depending on date, time and subject.

        4 years ago they were shoving it into peoples faces about Clinton losing (hands up here, if I was a yank in 2016 I just might have given Trump a vote as an FU to Clinton and her shenanigans around Sanders nomination to name just one reason) and laughing in their faces but now we keep hearing about how triumphalism is a bad thing and its dividing their nation.

        Well guess what, you clowns set the tone the last four years and now after overusing the term ‘snowflake’ its being thrown back at them and its bad now?

        Jog on lads, seriously. This very well might be the last GOP president for some time, if ever. The US demographic is changing and while there will always be a conservative presence in US politics, its not going to dominate the way it has. As a matter of fact, if you brought in genuinely independent people to draw up voting districts for different purposes you would see a very, very different congress and senate. For example, take one look at Gym Jordan’s district , gerrymandered to the point it almost look like a wrestling student being molested by their coach, to ensure the GOP get a congressman. Not that Gym can see that, apparently he has selective vision in that regard.


      3. Ben Madigan

        Nihilists! F*** me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it’s an ethos.

  4. Eoghan O'Mahony

    “I believe in nothing! Everything is a conspiracy!” Your slogan would likely be more along the lines of “I believe everything voices of authority tell me! Everything is exactly as the media tell me it is!” You actually pride yourself on always believing the claims and narratives of proven liars and conmen!

    I mean, do you still believe Saddam’s troops were throwing babies from incubators, as we were told in the lead up the first Gulf War? Or perhaps you think those pesky WMDs will turn up any day now? Or, you still hold to that belief that Gaddafis troops were being given viagara and instructed to rape civilians so western airstrikes were needed to save them? Tell us about the “moderate rebels fighting for democracy” in Syria. You probably believe in the evidence free claim that Russia “hacked the US election” (whatever that was supposed to even mean), or that they ran some nefarious campaign to “confuse” the US populace to favour Trump in the election. They feed you BS, you swallow it whole, and accuse anyone who dares question the pronouncements of these proven liars and criminals as a nutty “conspiracy theorist”. It’s bizarre. How is it the gullible herd animals actually believe they are the thinking ones? You don’t think, you follow what your told is true and pat yourself on the back for being such a faithful follower.

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