Ah here.

Yesterday.

Phoenix Park, Dublin.

OPEN the side gates!

42 thoughts on “Phoenix Parked

  1. me

    All within their 5k limit. Yeah right. Irish people need to accept they have a problem with their addiction to cars.

      1. ce

        Yep – our attitude to the outside world and weather is getting worse every year, kinda sad.

        Obvious there is very poor public transport in many areas of the country but using the weather as an excuse or driving back and forth for under 3-5K is ridiculous

      2. TessFlynn

        most of the people in those queues were families, many with young kids. It is unrealistic to expect someone with 3 young kids to walk or cycle 4km each way to enjoy a publicly funded amenity. The OPW is forgetting who it is there to serve.

  2. Joe

    Like it or lump it, the Phoenix park is a major traffic artery DCC have shown extraordinary contempt for planning and don’t get me started on how disgracefully bad the contempt that has been shown by DCC for the less abled access to the park by banning car movement. The gates must be opened until there is a workable alternative in place. Cyclists need to comprehend that car use will correctly be used as the main form of transport for the majority. Just banning things for the sake of it is never a solution.

    1. Gavin

      As a cyclist, I choose not to accept that, and gleefully laugh at those stuck in traffic, if you’re driving to the phoenix park expect to get stuck in traffic, its 5km walk it and if you cant walk it and need the car all the more reason for everyone else to walk it, #notofatlumpsincars.

    2. Nigel

      You’d think motorists would be all in favour of better cycling/pedestrain/public transport infrastructure because they would all mean less cars on the road and less time stuck in traffic, I can’t get my head around the way so many of them can’t work that equation but turn it into a tribal fight.

    3. Rob_G

      Why on earth is there a ‘major traffic artery’ running through a public park? This is lunacy. It should be closed to traffic altogether.

      1. scottser

        if there was no road through the park, you would probably be one of those screaming that there should be.

        1. Rob_G

          Well, you’d be wrong – there are loads of alternative routes outside the park; motorists should just use one of them.

  3. LuvinLunch

    Cars are important because they offer so many benefits to so many people. But they exclude many people too. For example the following people are excluded by cars:
    • Everyone under the age of 17
    • Those who can’t afford €600 for a driver’s licence.
    • Those who can’t afford to run a car (the AA estimates car running costs of ~€10,000 per annum).
    • People with disabilities e.g. visual impairment, intellectual disability.
    • People who don’t want to drive on the left hand side of the road or who don’t have an Irish drivers licence.
    • Those who don’t want to drive.

    Despite how exclusive cars are, the Irish government allocates €600 per annum per citizen to the maintenance of roads.

    1. Cian

      While your post seems fair, I’d just say that whatever money is spent on roads (you say €600/person) these roads are used by and for everyone – not just car owners. This may be either for transporting people .i.e. buses, taxis, or goods: shops use delivery vans/trucks to be stocked.
      Secondly, car owners pay a lot of additional taxes/duties that others don’t – VRT, duty on petrol.

      1. george

        Yes, they pay those taxes due to the massive harm that driving does.

        The people driving to their local park (excluding the small number of blue badge holders) are causing the problem. They’re not victims.

      2. Rob_G

        Someone driving a private, single-occupancy vehicle occupies a lot more road space, and generates a lot more wear-and-tear, than a person walking or cycling (or indeed one person on a bus).

    2. Stephen

      10,000 is a crazy figure, I had a quick look at their breakdown, which is a horrible mess of numbers that is hard to read .
      https://www.theaa.ie/aa/motoring-advice/cost-of-motoring.aspx

      No doubt a car is pricey to run but can be done for far less than 10,000.
      Also in making a comparison you need to consider than figures that are included in that 10,000 you would have to pay if you went with an alternative, e.g. parking/fuel alternative is paying for public transport which could easily be over 1,000 a year.

      The 600 isn’t allocated for the sole purpose of car users. How do you think groceries get to shops, via roads, whilst yes roads are used by cars they are also a requirement to allow commercial activity to take place.

  4. Gavin

    As a cyclist, I choose not to accept that, and gleefully laugh at those stuck in traffic, if you’re driving to the phoenix park expect to get stuck in traffic, its 5km, walk it, and if you cant walk it and need the car all the more reason for everyone else to walk it, #notofatlumpsincars.

    1. ce

      Yeah make them work for those donations – throw in a couple of baboons to rip the wing mirrors off and it’s sorted

  5. Bruncvik

    I’ve been running in Phoenix Park for over nine years, at least twice per week (since March at least four times per week), and I’ve never seen traffic as bad as yesterday. I think it’s time to close all gates or establish toll booths on both sides of Chesterfield Avenue. Failing that, the side roads should be closed with the exception of the road from the Papal Cross to the Chapelizod Gate to facilitate a connection to St Mary’s hospital, and the road from the northern roundabout to Farmleigh parking lot and from the southern roundabout to Garza and Zoo entrances.. If Chesterfield Avenue remains open, there should be pedestrian-operated traffic lights at each roundabout.

    As far as I’m concerned, the reason for closing the side gates is to allow people maintain social distancing. Moving cycle traffic onto road along Chesterfield Avenue opened up pedestrian paths that are wide enough to allow for proper social distancing, especially since OPW made the former cycle lanes one-way only. There wasn’t such space along the perimeter roads. With side gates open, cars were often blocking the already narrow footpaths. Especially around Ashtown gate, cars often parked across the entire footpath (I usually stopped in my run, photographed the worst offenders and sent them to OPW and Garda). The quickest way to stop that and allow pedestrians (many of whom may also be drivers who parked responsibly) to properly socially distance on the footpaths. The reduction in traffic also allows pedestrians to walk short distances on the roads while avoiding others. Yesterday, this was exactly the case along North Road, where the footpath was choke-full with pedestrians.

    1. Redundant Proofreaders Society

      As much as the running brigade like to use this common amenity, isn’t it right that it should be open for families too?

      Delighted at weekends to see all ages and abilities pile out of a car for an afternoon of healthy exercise in this treasured space.

        1. Redundant Proofreaders Society

          Of course not. Sure let them off there along the NCR on their tricycles and skateboards.

      1. Rob_G

        I don’t know about you, but it doesn’t exactly look like much of a ‘treasured space’ in that video above, gridlocked with cars.

      2. Operatick

        It is open for families. They are more than welcome. However the parents deciding to drive the 4km to the park instead of walking/cycling is the problem. If cycling/walking is not possible for whatever reason, then…do something else! Its not all about one family’s ability to easily ‘pile out of the car’ in a park.

      3. Bruncvik

        There were plenty of families in the park. They packed the North Road footpath so much that I was happy for the side gates to be closed. This allowed me to run on the road, to give more space to the families.

        I’ve also seen plenty of adults with children trying to cross Chesterfield Avenue, some of them surely trying to reach their cars. I bet all of them would appreciate traffic lights across the avenue.

  6. george

    The lack of self-awareness here is incredible. Ruining the enjoyment of the park for all including themselves and they think they’re victims.

  7. V AKA Frilly Keane

    Ok
    So yesterday got out of hand

    But this is an OPW facility
    Open to all

    Give over with the toll booths and the locking of gates
    FFS

    Get proper parking facilities instead
    Fiver a day or whatever

    1. george

      Open to all? The people in their cars aren’t welded into them. With the exception of blue badge holders this is rubbish. And if car access was restricted to blue badge holders they’d be much better off.

      If I want to arrive by helicopter must I be accommodated? Is it discrimination against helicopter pilots?

      Providing parking for €5 a day would result in people parking there and going off to work. The daily parking rates in Dublin are much higher.

      1. V AKA Frilly Keane

        a fiver or whatever George

        If the Pheonix Park is not open for all
        Like a reserved for pedestrians introduction then
        Move Garda HQ, the Áras, the Ambassador’s gaff etc
        Stop Bikes, carriages, escooters scooters and skateboards
        Roller skates and roller blades
        And whatever your having yourselves

        No matter what there’ll always be some crib

        Install regulated car parks
        Or introduce some park n’ ride Setups
        And that’ll sort it out

        1. Rob_G

          Why should a public park be used to provide you with a subsidised place to store your private property – should we turn St Stephen’s Green into parking spaces as well, render it more “accessible” for people who are too lazy to walk to the bus stop?

          There are loads of public transport options to get to the Phoenix Park already.

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