127 thoughts on “Saturday’s Papers

  1. SOQ

    One of the subjects I have studied (and loved) was Geographical Information Systems. I always remember a lecturer saying that when propaganda was being used, out comes the maps- and by God are the maps out at the moment- tiers, levels, same thing- stay within your county?

    Go tinky-poo yourself.

      1. SOQ

        I wasn’t talking about the papers but sure you know that- are you paid by the response?

        How is your project scheduling skills coming along btw?

    1. Rosette of Sirius

      You’ll be interested to learn then that Jack Dangermond is a friend of mine and over the years have helped him guide his company to deliver their tech to some of the most important environmental and humanitarian challenges that our planet faces…

    1. Brother Barnabas

      says the fellow who giggles himself into moistness at the mere mention of boris johnson

      wasnt too long ago that concerned neighbours had to call the police to stop boris slapping the missus around

      he learned well, of course – old stanley gave his old dear a broken nose for burning the toast

      a nice sort

        1. Charger Salmons

          Funnily enough I thought someone like you might have had some sympathy for the women Maradona mistreated.
          Seeing as how much time you spend on here virtue-signalling and saying how wonderful you are.
          Clearly I was mistaken.
          Instead you’re as asinine as the rest of the little gang of mutual bottom-sniffers on here.
          Sista.

          1. Charlie

            It was 1986 Charger. Let it go. No amount of whinging will change a thing. Look on the bright side, you now have VAR…haa

          2. Brother Barnabas

            had there been VAR, terry butcher (for sure) and kenny sansom (probably) would have been sent off in the first half

            the english whinge like little b1 itches to this day about that goal – conveniently ignoring the fact that they cheated right through the game

          3. v AKA Frilly Keane

            Where did I say I approved of his behaviour Charage? Or where I even turned a blind eye?

            Besides what has been documented by a former fiancee’s video of the incident you are relying on yourself for a foothold here
            show me where he publicly advocated and demonstrated an appropriate style of hitting a woman
            ie like Sean Connery

            or occupied Public Office at the time, ie. like Boris Johnson

            go on
            Lets have ya

            walk your talk now ya cocky boo boo

          4. Charger Salmons

            Walk your talk ?
            Where is your evidence that Boris Johnson hit his fiancee ?
            Provide me with a single newspaper article that alleges this and I’ll happily accept you are right.
            Also, in recent posts – which you say a pre-moderated – you have called me a boo boo and a silly.
            Now I’m more than happy to accept any abuse that comes my way but you might have a word with Admin here because a number of my responses to you recently which have been far less robust have not been printed.
            Either the mods think you’re incapable of being able to withstand robust debate or they’re looking after one of their own.

          5. v AKA Frilly Keane

            what are ya asking me for
            ask the people that phoned the police fearing a domestic violence incidence

            Your move Charage

            in the meantime like
            as for the Mods
            shur’ what do I know what you say you said and all that

            their gaff their rules

            Believe me lad
            they don’t protect me around here

          6. Charger Salmons

            You accused Boris Johnson of hitting a woman.
            ” show me where he publicly advocated and demonstrated an appropriate style of hitting a woman
            ie like Sean Connery

            or occupied Public Office at the time, ie. like Boris Johnson ”

            Either put up or shut up spouting slanderous nonsense that actually diminishes the fight against domestic violence.

          7. V AKA Frilly Keane

            Did I imagine it?

            Police were called to a suspected Domestic Violence scene by neighbours?
            Something about hearing disturbing arguements within a household that contained the British PM and his now fiance?

            Wha’
            Were they playing bridge?

          8. Charger Salmons

            Boris was not PM at the time of the incident.
            And a domestic argument is not hitting a woman.
            You know that but you’re too arrogant to admit you’re at fault.
            You’re not worth any further consideration.

    2. Joe F

      “International day for the elimination of violence against women” you say clown man? Any comment about your hero Bozo then and when police were called a while back to his place? Of course not you complete hypocrite. Your silence is deafening old boy. Still, the Tories are/were 0.005% ahead in the polls and that’s all that matters you complete clown of a person. Marvelous indeed.

        1. Papi

          Oof, charger got burned. Again.
          He’s not having the best run, is he, poor chap?
          Crack another can there, tubs.

      1. Janet, dreams of a steamed clootie

        aristos don’t manner for love, maybe they are like “upperclass ” french, a mistress is de rigueur, they expect you to sleep with your tennis coach ?

      1. Charger Salmons

        Having three young children and being married to a future king is probably no stroll in the park.
        But I’m impressed by Kate.
        Stylish, composed and by all accounts a thoroughly good egg with no airs and graces about her.

        1. ce

          Imagine the realisation that you are the cow at a fair getting bought for you breading abilities… but you have a nice field, with nice grass to ruminate on … waiting for the next insemination. Also, realising that your children will have the fantasies and dreams of a substantial portion of the world’s idiots projected onto them for their entire lives…good times

          …. there’s a poem in here somewhere, get Kevin Higgins on the case

  2. Cian

    U.S. Appeals Court Rejects Trump Campaign’s Pennsylvania Election Case

    “Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here,” Judge Stephanos Bibas wrote in the 3-0 decision.

    Unanimous decision from Republican judges

    1. Steph Pinker

      BS, your behaviour is indicative of your obsessional personality – indulge your bullying fetich somewhere else.

          1. Brother Barnabas

            in fairness, SOQ, you can give as well as your given – imo the repeated accusations and taunts levelled at Cian come close to bullying (from several, not just you), yet Cian – to his credit – never responds personally or rudely

          2. V AKA Frilly Keane

            FFS
            Look who’s talking
            bullying ….. obsessive personality wtfever

            If that hipocracy doesn’t choke the pair of ye
            Those short memories will definitely trip ye up

            I see ye’re still in it together anyway
            Well met
            Well met indeed

      1. millie

        Ah now. Let’s not piss on the dreams of kids.

        I thought that little amputee Saoirse was absolutely brilliant. The French trampoline painting was gas too.

          1. Rosette of Sirius

            Did one of the kids playing puppets call her puppet Polly Protestant?! Could’ve sworn I head that!!!

        1. Rosette of Sirius

          In fairness to the lad, Tubs put on an excellent show last night and fwiw, I actually managed to watch it end to end.

          1. scottser

            That lad Michael who sang with Dermot Kennedy was the best thing last night. He held his nerve and nailed the tune like a boss. Keep an eye for that kid, hes got real talent.

          2. Rosette of Sirius

            He was indeed. We will see more of him for sure. That said the little fella with the brittle bones warmed my heart no end and the little girl with the amputated leg opened up my wallet….

        2. v AKA Frilly Keane

          ‘thought it was a great night tbh
          Best one yet if I’m honest

          But I have serious concerns about that type of fundraising – live – and actually scripted to be coercive
          Also giving values but not advising who was confirming and supervising the tots
          monitoring the calls etc
          no confirmation as to who was getting access to payment details
          Or if, and open to correction btw, there were operating costs for the fundraiser

          Like Really – when we’re never done lately
          well me anyway
          calling out probity and sloppy governance
          We sat back and watched it last night
          as light entertainment

          not to mention the ridiculousness of raising money for Temple Street
          while now tipping into the fourth billion with the N€H

          1. v AKA Frilly Keane

            Thanks Cian

            But that should have actually been included in each appeal made from the floor of the studio last night

            if not by Tubs himself, at least within the kyron etc

            And quite frankly RTE anything should not be hosting any charitable fundraising without a very clear pair of hands managing it
            between RTE and the Funds
            Not until their own Accounts have been signed off – on the face of it now
            since RTE have failed to produce YE2019, I’m entitled to question their Going Concern prospects
            that puts probity compliance and a whole range of risks in the red

            If a registered charity themselves did that
            well the Sunday papers would be wetting themselves

          2. Cian

            Each time he made the appeal that website was included onscreen.
            Along with a Phone number. And some text – which I don’t remember.

          3. GiggidyGoo

            The text was
            “Service provider: Abtran” (Not one that has a great record as regards security relating to credit card details)
            Plus the numbers to ring.

            The repeats are on RTE 1 and RTE+1 at the moment.

    1. Lilly

      I saw that clip on Twitter, so cute. I dipped in and out of the show; I’m no expert but it seemed improved on previous years and the host less manic, more relaxed than usual.

      Laugh of the night has to go to Annie – a precocious brat who undid Tubridy – for her comment on newspapers: “He doesn’t get the newspaper, he’s not THAT old.” Out of the mouth of babes.

  3. f_lawless

    It felt like living in late stage Soviet-era Russia listening to the taoiseach speak on the news tonight.

    “In July, we introduced guidance on wearing masks indoors and this has had an incredibly positive impact.”

    This statement of course runs contrary to available evidence – there’s no discernable positive impact one can glean from the official data since the introduction of mandatory masks. New cases continued to rise.

    No matter. Reality is whatever our leaders say it is. No need for distractions like evidence. Sure while we’re at it, what the hey, let’s tell the public they should now wear masks on the streets.

    1. Steph Pinker

      I turned off the radio after I heard Donnelly (remember him?) telling us to wear masks while cooking Christmas dinner – all 6 hours of it. Oh, and we have to wear masks while serving as well *cough*…

      Bring back the meter ruler or the big sthick to beat us with for not behaving – MM likes to tell us to behave, as does Varadkar, when he’s not leaking through the seams and bullying with his promise/ threat of another lockdown in January.

  4. Steph Pinker

    Also, can anyone enlighten me as to why some dentists won’t treat Medical Card holders anymore?*

    *I know why (medical card patients can’t afford expensive treatment, also, some dentists choose to deal with private cash paying patients only), but is it legal?

    1. Steph Pinker

      Dental hygiene is one of many necessary health aspects of life which are being affected by unnecessary lockdowns – it’s as if the most unfortunate and poverty stricken demographic in our society don’t matter:

      https://www.thejournal.ie/warning-over-treatment-crisis-as-dentists-quit-care-scheme-in-their-droves-5252051-Nov2020/#:~:text=DENTISTS%20ARE%20LEAVING%20a%20Government,the%20start%20of%20this%20year.

      Dental health is as important as mental and physical health, but poor Leo and MM have suffered cabin fever during this lockdown (apparently), but they will still suck the warm teat of taxpayers’ money through their bleached dental veneers.

  5. Birdie

    Every newspaper about the government’s decision; hope, normalcy and celebration.

    Well screw that. We had a chance to have a better 2021 but they just messed that up with their decisions. I totally get the argument about livelihoods, I lost my job earlier in the year because of it and it’s awful but for the greater good of the most vulnerable I’d rather we just get the numbers down.

    Ramp up testing (especially around international travel)… it’s just so unfair on our health service this will all just spike in January.

    1. bisted

      …you wouldn’t know it from the newspapers and certainly not from reading Broadsheet but the pro-sickness lobby are only a tiny minority…the vast majority of us want to do our bit to suppress and eventually eliminate this virus and our solidarity looks like it will be rewarded soon with the emergence of several vaccines…we acted too late and too half-heartedly to take advantage of our island status to become virus free like Aus or NZ but thankfully we had NPHET to point out to the decision makers where their populous policies were taking us…again their advice is ignored and sacrificed on the altar of expediency…

      1. Micko

        Eh? Dunno about that @Bisted

        If the “pro-sickness lobby” as you put it. are only a tiny minority.

        Why are we opening up shops for Christmas then?

        If the people don’t want a return to some normality, why open?

        And with that return to normality, will of course bring more cases and more death.

        Something that people seem willing to accept. So you may wish to question who is in the minority. You or us.

        I guess we’ll see how many crowds hit the shops, beauty salons, hairdressers, restaurants etc from next week.

        Anecdotally, a friends beauty salon in the heart of Dublin is nearly completely booked out for December.

        I guess we’ll see. :)

          1. V AKA Frilly Keane

            I’m definitely taking it to the edge this time Micko
            Suspending all actions right up to the Broadsheet Christmas Do

            Now I might get what’s left of the shellac removed alright on Day 1
            Lick a coat of whatever is in the makeup drawer as a temp arrangement

            The stress

    2. SOQ

      Lockdowns kill more than they save Bridie and they do not protect the vulnerable- at least not to the level that focused protection does. Even a basic cost-benefit analysis (CBA) will show the cost is too high which is why I suspect one was never done.

      A lot of the cost is in the lack of other health treatments of course and public health should be the consideration of all potential risks including the fact that the poorest and vulnerable suffer most from Lockdowns- something which NPHET has spectacularly failed to do.

      As for testing, if PCR is so accurate then why is the new rapid test returning two thirds this less positive results? Two thirds of what we have been told are live infections are then false positives- which means decisions to lockdown are based on completely wrong infection figures.

      1. SOQ

        Speaking of which, this is a pretty good article on PCR testing. It used the term ‘Lateral Flow Tests’ rather that rapid but it is referring to the same thing.

        So forget the politics and the polarised positions for a minute and ask yourself this simple question- if PCR tests are proven to be out by over 60% and therefore not fit for purpose- why are they being used?

        PCR-Based Covid Testing Has Failed

        https://lockdownsceptics.org/pcr-based-covid-testing-has-failed-us/

          1. Brother Barnabas

            ok

            so no actual evidence or numbers

            thought so

            its sheer conjecture, soq – making assumptions and estimates from one side only. is it not also true that if you lockdown the entire population, there are less road traffic deaths, less saturday night drunken assaults etc etc? it probably balances out

            you’re being wholly selective

      2. Cian

        , if PCR is so accurate then why is the new rapid test returning two thirds this less positive results?
        If two tests give different results how do you know which is correct? Why assume the new one is more accurate?

        1. SOQ

          Because it is testing for an actual protein in the virus? If the virus is not there then neither is the protein.

  6. Ger

    Irish people donate over 4 million to children hospitals while government wastes 1 billion building childrens hospital.

  7. Charger Salmons

    Strictly speaking Australia is not entirely free of C-19 and is currently heading into its summer where, as in Ireland, the virus infection rate drops dramatically.
    There is nothing to suggest that come their winter Australia will not experience a second wave without widespread vaccination.
    The state airline Quantas says it doesn’t expect international flights to begin until July 2021 – that’s another seven months.
    New Zealand is thousands of miles from anywhere with a small population that’s easily policed and coerced into accepting Draconian lockdowns.
    It’s also why other countries in the South Pacific have achieved zero Covid deaths.
    Island status is fine if you’re a rock in the middle of nowhere but less so when it’s fully integrated with a continent a short distance away.

    1. Papi

      It’s the weekend charger, take a break, Kilmichael is nice this time of year, you should visit.
      Heh, heh, heh.

      1. GiggidyGoo

        And it’s not too far from that piddle stained, mouldy cheese-smelling bedsit either. A grand day out Grommit.

    2. Micko

      Lads, I don’t know your history with Charger. But every time he posts people have a go at him. What’s going on?

      Especially since the points he’s making there are very relevant.

      I’m actually gobsmacked when people now tout Australia as being “brilliantly virus free” right now without the caveat of them being in their summer at the moment.

      Plus both Australia and NZ being in the top 5 self sufficient food producers globally.

      1. Papi

        Charger has a good schtick in racist, misogynist bigotry and is a self confessed troll.
        He’s a silly booper.

        1. bisted

          …I’m fairly convinced that Charger, aka Ollie Cromwell, is a creation of Bodger…as a long term commenter on Broadsheet, I think Bodger has had several had several persona over the years…he seems to relish the bizarre and absurd and Charger seems to conform…a brit contrarian who lives here and operates as a landlord…who knows all the Irish foibles and must be a media junkie…he also displays a quick wit and a sense of humour…marvelous…

          1. GiggidyGoo

            I don’t think so. He was commenting on peoplesrepublicofcork many years ago, same bigotry, racism and a lot worse .

      2. Charger Salmons

        It’s like this Micko.
        There are some posters on here with whom it’s possible to have an intelligent conversation and a bit of banter.
        And there are others who I avoid because they dull and repetitive.
        And by ignoring them it drives them demented so that every single time I post something they arrive as regularly as night follows day to chatter away amongst themselves like agitated meerkats.
        On Covid I have pals in Oz. They’re currently sweating their way through an unusually uncomfortable heatwave but none is under any illusion that Covid-19 could return with a vengeance in a few months time.
        Even countries such as Germany which had great success during the first wave are struggling to control the latest outbreaks.
        January is the key month which is worrying doctors here,mainly because it’s usually the busiest month for flu.I was talking to my GP last week – a very sanguine and philisophical sort of chap – and I’ve never known him to be so worried as he is about the weeks ahead.

        1. Joe F

          “….because they dull and repetitive.” Good man Charage, you’re always good to bring a smile to my face. You never repeat anything, do you? Except for important things like how far Bozo is ahead in the polls, hugely important for all Irish people to know.
          You’ve shown you’re inability to construct basic sentences (see start of this post) once again. And can I point out basic grammar you clown? A comma comes immediately after the previous character, no space, old boy. Then you have the cheek to give out to other about their literacy!
          Anyhow, you just continue listening to half of what’s going on you hypocrite, you’re showing your insecurities clown man, by having a go at Maradona, while your pal Bozo is a perfect gentleman to ALL (how many different women has he had children with now?) his lady friends. Why did his neighbours call the police? Check back if you want and you can find very easily what the neighbours heard. Marvelous I say.

      3. Micko

        I get it lads. You’ve a history ;)

        But, to play devil’s advocate here. To rip the pee out of Charger whenever he makes a genuine point makes it just look like bullying to me and to potential newcomers to the site.

        So, how about this. Rip him up when he’s being bold. But be nice when he’s not?

        Or is there too much bad blood?

        1. Janet, dreams of a steamed clootie

          I like to completely ignore comments by the odd commentator I find irredeemable, it’s just easier, there are only three in they category :) so that not so bad,
          although one of them is so irritating you’d itch to give a virtual back of the hand
          Happy weekend !

          1. Brother Barnabas

            there’s only one commenter that I genuinely think is just a real and fundamental twit – to the extent that I regularly have to remind myself not to engage

            and I’m glad he can’t come back for christmas

        2. Papi

          Bad blood and charger fattens on negative energy and attention. So it’s a symbiotic thing. He wouldn’t have it any other way. Well, he has no choice in the matter.

        3. Brother Barnabas

          honestly – but I guess this isnt going to a popular viewpoint – I like charger (not as much as he likes me and in a different way, but still) and am glad he’s around – BS is all the richer and more interesting and more fun when it throws open the doors to every miscreant, deviant and reprobate out there.

          1. scottser

            He’s a predictable and tiresome bore at this stage – his hypocrisy is just too easy to point out. I do enjoy seeing him get his backside handed to him daily though i know this level of schadenfreude is probably bad for the soul.

        4. Micko

          See, so really everyone loves each other. I knew it.

          Even if we annoy the absolute crap outta each other – we still come back every single day.

          So… there has to be something in that!

          Have a happy weekend indeed Janet ;)

  8. bisted

    …how come publicans have lost their position as tops when it comes to political lobbying…time was when they would have been treated as an essential service…the pubs would have remained open, like the schools, through all levels…

  9. Lolzy

    A British transport Tsar ? Has been appointed? What now?

    Tsar (/zɑːr, sɑːr/ or /tsɑːr/), also spelled czar, or tzar or csar, is a title used to designate East and South Slavic monarchs or supreme rulers of Eastern Europe, originally the Bulgarian monarchs from 10th century

    1. GiggidyGoo

      Dreadful indictment of the attitude of RTE towards using children to promote, amongst other things, Pfizer. Writing scripts for them to say.
      Between that, the RTE farewell party, and Tubridy using bad language on what is a show geared towards children (and gets a get out of jail free card by many for doing so), that cesspit of State propaganda reaches more lows daily.

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