134 thoughts on “Sunday’s Papers

  1. Daisy Chainsaw

    After initial attempts by the media to make it look like Seema Banu had something to do with the deaths of her children, turns out the husband has been charged. Shameful coverage.

    1. Hank

      I don’t remember them ever suggesting she was involved. In any articles I read about it, the husband was always alluded to as the prime suspect.

      1. Daisy Chainsaw

        “Found dead alongside her murdered children”

        “Detectives investigating the murders of two children and the death of their mother in Dublin”

        Two initial reports saying the children were murdered, but no mention of their mother being murdered implying that she was somehow involved in their murder, rather than another victim.

        1. Spud

          Perhaps it was made to look like a suicide?
          I remember at the time the Gardai said they were looking for more clues and help and it wasn’t clearcut.

        2. Cian

          Both articles are factually correct (which is proper journalism) and both say later on that there is a question mark over her death.

          “A ligature was also found with the remains of Ms Banu and the postmortem has established this brought about her death. However, precisely how that happened, and specifically whether she was murdered, has yet to be established.”

  2. Charger Salmons

    There is the occasional comment on here about how many of the current British Cabinet are educated at Eton College.
    If the latest crop of Eton schoolkids is anything to go by I reckon the future of their country is in safe hands.
    The college has sacked a teacher for a lecture which challenged the ” current radical feminist orthodoxy. ”
    His students have come to his defence and are challenging the sacking and the actions of the college principal.
    It is a masterclass in rigorous critical thinking and spurns the current vogue for de-platforming and hounding out academics who encourage their students to think, to argue and to learn.
    It’s worth a read.

    1. scottser

      A level and GCSE students will be given exam questions in advance and marked more easily.
      You really are a Muppet – safe hands…pfft

      1. bisted

        …don’t give up on the fish just yet…Blighty’s humiliating climbdown has begun and the UK fishermen are likely to be the first to be flung under the Brexit bus…

          1. Charger Salmons

            But did you read the article ?
            You seem obsessed about fish quotas this morning.
            May I suggest you settle down with a nice pot of English breakfast tea and have a read.
            You don’t want to appear oafish like some of my regular followers …

          2. bisted

            …I saw Neil (the Scottish one) had put the show on the road and was doing a tour of theatres before the plague…it struck me at the time that he might be more interested in the half-Crown than the Crown…this article confirms it…reminds me of that song: Surrounded By Water…

            The Scots have their whisky
            The Welsh have their speech
            Their poets are paid about tenpence a week
            Provided no harsh word on England they speak
            Oh dear what a price for devotion…

          3. Charger Salmons

            It’s an interesting concept that you think a professional entertainer shouldn’t be able to do his job while also having an opinion.
            Envy is such a terrible trait.
            But at least you’ve got over your piscine obsession…

  3. anolderman

    So now the press say the majority want mandatory vaccine for students. What is this. Have we all gone mad. What is the COVID death rate for under 25s. Where are the dead. This is NO pandemic, your cases should be deaths to justify such madness. The kids are FAT stuffed with sugars. The synthetic diets are blowing out their immune systems. Just look at the new comic super heroes unhealthy freaks. Help them that way not injecting them every year for ever. We did that with our cattle then one year with mad cow we had to burn them in big piles. In looking to leave here I recently checked out Namibia. A german colony they had a genocide in 1900s. They had wicked lethal medical experimentation in the concentration camps. 50 yrs later look what they got up to. Don’t think it ever stops its a human trait. These are horrific headlines. You invent a new drug in desperation and then you want to inject your population immediately for something that 99.9% of them survive. Its NOT polio or TB is it. We don’t have much luck with rushed laws and unintended consequences. How stupid are we – I think I know the answer.

    1. SOQ

      The vaccine propaganda is in full flight now.

      7/10 says IOS IrelandThinks except how many surveyed and what was their demographical breakdown? This conveniently is the exact same ratio as The Washington Post had in June of course.

      The Independent slyly introduces the term ‘vaccine passport’ “to allow the health service keep track of the immunization process” except that is just what we call a medical record for correct dosage? The word ‘passport’ used to attempt to normalise what if it comes to pass (pun), will be the biggest breach of civil liberties in our lifetime.

      The Business Post weighs in a very loaded ‘pathway to freedom’ phrase inferring restrictions on those who refuse and talking about an unprecedented governmental campaign.

      But when you have Moderna’s Chief Medical Officer Tal Zaks warning that they only measure efficacy in relation to protecting someone against getting sick, not against transmitting the virus to others- what exactly is the communitarian purpose of these vaccines?


      NOT ONE of these manufacturers are claiming that they can prevent the transmission of the virus known as SARS-CoV-2, only the symptoms of the disease known as CoVid-19- which is why they are all called CoVid-19 vaccines- so how can people who are vaccinated be in anyway ‘safer’ than those who are not?

      1. Charger Salmons

        I’d be quite happy to first in the queue for a vaccine.
        Scientific expertise trumps bloke on the internet with a theory every time.
        This time next year we’ll be wondering what all the fuss us about.
        And in my case sipping a refreshing beverage in sunnier climes.
        Can’t wait.

        1. SOQ

          Go for it- knock yourself out- although I am not sure what it has to do with sunnier climes if you are still potentially SARS-CoV-2 infectious?

      2. Brother Barnabas

        “the biggest breach of civil liberties in our lifetime”

        taking refuge in nonsense now, soq

        you know there are already vaccine requirements for travel to lots of places, right? not ‘recommendations’ – actual requirements. and you need to prove it before you’re permitted to enter. is that a breach of civil liberties ? or just prudent policy?

        1. SOQ

          What vaccine is required to go watch a football match or a rock concert or even to go to work? This will go way beyond what is accepted as the norm right now.

          And besides, what vaccine is required where the manufacturers state that it will not prevent the vaccinated infecting the non vaccinated?

          1. Brother Barnabas

            vaccines are required to enter certain countries – so, yes, you would need it in order to attend a football match or a rock concert etc in that country

          2. SOQ

            It is your choice whether you wish to visit such countries or not- it is not a choice in order to earn a living in your own country- THAT is the difference.

          3. Brother Barnabas

            not in my case- I was obliged to be vaccinated to go to south america and africa. and in all case it was work, which I didnt have much of a choice in

          4. GiggidyGoo

            Question is BB – have you needed to have been vaccinated in order to attend a sports or entertainment venue or go to work in Ireland, or in the UK, or in Europe where you would be specifically barred from attending for not having had a vaccine?

          5. Brother Barnabas

            no, because, until now, that hasn’t been necessary – at least, not in my lifetime. now it is necessary. so I’ll do it.

          6. SOQ

            Of course you have already had CoVid-19 Brother so- unless they are going to insist on immune people taking it too- it is all pretty academic to you is it not?

      1. Brother Barnabas

        first question he asks (not so much a question, more an assertion) is whether the vaccine is of any value given that the virus is mutating

        o’neill says that it’s not a problem as, if the virus mutates, the vaccine can be modified

        cue a dramatic pause in the video with headline grab: O’NEILL ADMITS A NEW VACCINE WILL BE REQUIRED

        disingenuous and manipulative from the outset

        1. E'Matty

          No comment on O’Neill stating that stage 4 testing of vaccines will effectively be carried out on the public? I wonder do many parents know this? Allowing ones children be used as guinea pigs for an entirely novel treatment (RNA has never provided any successful vaccine), rushed to market, for a virus that poses no threat to their kids would be pretty daft stuff, to put it mildly…

          1. Brother Barnabas

            no, because I didnt watch beyond the blatant distortion of the aforementioned remark

            suppose that’s what happens when you manipulate information to suit your agenda

          2. SOQ

            Even if O’Neill is right and a new vaccine is required- that means the entire population will need jabbed again.

            And, as none of these manufacturers are guaranteeing life long protection- or indeed any protection over the roughly 6 months where antibodies are present- we are most likely looking at a twice a year shot.

            Do you not see where this is going?

          3. E'Matty

            “That annual flu jab that healthy people choose to take each year?” Or it turns out to be another Pandemrix but this time thousands have their lives destroyed across all age groups. As O’Neill himself even says, we don’t know the long term effects, or even medium term for that matter. Those who receive the vaccine first will be the guinea pigs for that stage of “testing”. Given the vast majority of the population are not in danger from Covid, it’s a completely disproportionate risk to expect all in society to take on. There’s also the completely pointless nature of the exercise given the disease efficacy is comparable to natural immunity and they do not make any claims on infection efficacy so those who cannot be vaccinated remain at risk of infection, even from the vaccinated. And isn’t that the entire argument for mass vaccinations, to protect the vulnerable who cannot receive it themselves? It’s turning out to be an exercise in mindless obedience where this unthinking obedience is worn as a badge of honour. People today literally pride themselves on unquestioningly following the dictats of voices of authority, no matter how illogical they may be. This is how evil acts have been perpetrated on the masses time and again down through the centuries.

          4. Brother Barnabas

            “People today literally pride themselves on unquestioningly following the dictats of voices of authority”

            that is literally not true

          5. Cian

            No comment on O’Neill stating that stage 4 testing of vaccines will effectively be carried out on the public?

            **clutches pearls**

            But wait, by definition a Phase 4 test is one that happens after FDA/EMA approval and thus after is it being generally prescribed. This phase is used to get more information about the medication’s long-term safety, effectiveness, and any other benefits. All phase 4 testing are carried out on the public.

            **un-clutches pearls**

    1. Janet, dreams of a steamed clootie

      it’s not actually as far as countries go,
      much as I adore France sexual harassment is to some extent a daily occurrence depending on where in France you live, I can only speak for Paris or Marseille,
      try living in Delhi or Kenya, I have a nice collection of modest dress from time there not that you could go unaccompanied in some places even dressed like a nun.
      Ireland does have problems with sexism, domestic violence and an institutionalized disregard for female health care but in general it’s relatively a pretty safe place to live…a woman’s daily experience.
      Rob G you’ll be delighted I’m sticking up for Ireland !

      1. Toby

        Well done! Bravely speaking up for Ireland indeed. Its true though, we do our best and for most people who live here, they have an experience equal to the top 15% in the world. Something I am continuously grateful for.

        1. Rosette of Sirius

          All I know is that the weirdest of posts get banned these days. Weird meaning whatever rubs Bodger up the wrong way and that could be absolutely anything.

  4. GiggidyGoo

    I don’t remember being asked my opinion about taking a vaccine. Another weighted poll ‘result’. And peddling the word ‘passport’, to keep in line with the the wishes of the Bilderbergers.
    Well pardon me- but i’ll wait a few years to see the results of the tests of these ‘you can’t sue me’ concoctions on the lemmings before I consider having this vaccination.

    1. bisted

      …don’t worry…enough of us will be queued up to probably achieve that herd immunity and reduce your risk…only trouble is the like of George Hook will be well in front of me in the queue…

      1. GiggidyGoo

        Thanks Bisted. Much appreciated. I’ll always have great time for guinea pigs. But don’t sign away your option to sue.

        1. bisted

          …you’re welcome…just sorry I didn’t try harder to volunteer for trials of a vaccine…one of the few positives to emerge from this pandemic is the triumph of science…

          1. SOQ

            And that is the point Gigs- in that survey you would have most likely have been marked as someone who would take it. That you, like most, have reservations is conveniently distilled down to a yes / no answer.

            But most importantly, the sales pitch that you will be protecting others is shot.

            Unless some new information comes through pretty quickly, the only reason to take a CoVid-19 vaccine is to protect yourself- so that is a decision to be made by yourself alone.

      2. E'Matty

        ” to probably achieve that herd immunity and reduce your risk…” can you explain how you will be helping to achieve herd immunity taking a vaccine that has no proven infection prevention efficacy? How would you reduce our risk, if you can still spread the virus to us or the vulnerable?

        1. bisted

          …it’s not often the smartest boy in the class asks me questions rather than supplying answers but…probably, in the mathematical sense, is the operative word here…as someone said earlier, I’d rather take the word of the finest medical brains on this rather than some random bloke on the internet…the more people who are vaccinated, the less candidates the virus has to infect…simple really…

          1. GiggidyGoo

            Some of the finest medical brains are on the opposite side to the ones you’re investing trust in. SOQ has provided many references to these (and also to some lesser achievers, but none the less he has quoted and linked to many of the finest).

            So, it’s a question of personal choice, which ones one hitches their wagon to.

          2. E'Matty

            @bisted- “I’d rather take the word of the finest medical brains on this rather than some random bloke on the internet” So you have no faith in your own intellect or ability to apply logic then? Just abdicate that responsibility to your high priest, I mean voice of authority. This position is anti science. Also, you do realise the internet includes just about every book written and scientific paper ever published, right? People like you have been conditioned into believing somehow the greatest knowledge tool in the history of mankind is all to be ignored in favour of today’s establishment mouthpieces in our corporate controlled media and State entities.

            “the more people who are vaccinated, the less candidates the virus has to infect” please explain why you think this to be the case when we have no claims, let alone evidence, of Infection efficacy? You do realise you could get the vaccine, contract the virus and still pass it on to to mum or granny, right?

          3. bisted

            …they were advertising masks, as I remember…don’t think they would be approved by the WHO…

            I went straight out and bought reading glasses…so as not to make the same mistake again…

          4. bisted

            …@mattie…I won’t even attempt to refute any of the points you’ve leveled against me…I’m probably not worthy anyway…but…one of my most treasured possessions is a cheque from JSTOR for $11.40 relating to a paper I wrote for an academic journal once…the internet I presume?

          5. SOQ

            Agreed Matty- the mask virtue signal training has fallen flat in its face if being vaccinated does not protect others.

    2. Bitnboxy

      Were you asked your opinion for the MMR vaccine? You or parents may have consented to the HPV vaccine although I don’t strike me as young enough for that. The slight fear is understandable here but this is an area ripe for conspiracies and nuttery, so while a wariness is good, the “lemming” nonsense is veering into tinfoil hat territory. Tread carefully and inform yourself but check yourself too – there is a lot of scaremongering and bat-sheet craziness about this (and any) vaccine out there too. Look at those who rail against the HPV vaccine.

      1. GiggidyGoo

        Once, after a couple of years, if this vaccine is indeed found to be safe, then no problem. What’s happening here in the discussion websites, is the lemming effect. One jumps, and is duly followed by a few others without the knowledge about the concoctions rushed out in order to gain commercial advantage. Odd that they all should ‘succeed’ together.

        Even the corporations are looking for indemnities – that should ring the alarm bells, should it not?
        Are they certain about the safety of what they’ve produce? If not, and they are looking for indemnities, then the fear should be more than slight.

        1. Oro

          You know, it’ll be an interesting couple of years for people such as yourself if you refuse to vaccinate, and if it does turn out that the vaccine doesn’t lower the presence of the virus in the general population or the rate of how infectious the virus is. Because as soon as a certain critical mass proportion of society becomes vaccinated, people will stop wearing masks, and go back to a more typical way of life. Which then places the unvaccinated in an unusual position where they’ll be far more likely to become infected and sick as a result. Who will you blame then? You’ll be choosing not to vaccinate so it would be your own responsibility, or would you shirk it?

          Of course this all depends on the vaccine having no real affect on 1) the viral prevalence in society and 2) it’s rate of transmission, neither of which I personally believe will be borne out to be true, but if it is as such you’ll be in a tricky situation.

          1. SOQ

            As above- the manufacturers are not claiming that their vaccines will reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2- only reduce the symptoms of CoVId-19 which is a disease not a virus.

        2. f_lawless

          This doesn’t exactly inspire confidence either. – the UK government body, “Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency”, has recently procured a new AI software tool so that they’re able to “process the expected high volume of Covid-19 vaccine Adverse Drug Reactions” as their systems currently in place will be “unable to process these ADRs effectively”.


          “II.2.4)Description of the procurement:

          The MHRA urgently seeks an Artificial Intelligence (AI) software tool to process the expected high volume of Covid-19 vaccine Adverse Drug Reaction (ADRs) and ensure that no details from the ADRs’ reaction text are missed.

          ..Type of procedure
          Award of a contract without prior publication of a call for competition in the Official Journal of the European Union in the cases listed below

          The procurement falls outside the scope of application of the directive


          For reasons of extreme urgency under Regulation 32(2)(c) related to the release of a Covid-19 vaccine MHRA have accelerated the sourcing and implementation of a vaccine specific AI tool.

          Strictly necessary — it is not possible to retrofit the MHRA’s legacy systems to handle the volume of ADRs that will be generated by a Covid-19 vaccine. Therefore, if the MHRA does not implement the AI tool, it will be unable to process these ADRs effectively. This will hinder its ability to rapidly identify any potential safety issues with the Covid-19 vaccine and represents a direct threat to patient life and public health.”

          1. f_lawless

            “the expected high volume of Covid-19 vaccine Adverse Drug Reactions (ADRs)”

            Is it all just a game to you? Responding like that makes it seem so

          2. Cian

            The annual flu jab has the following side effects:

            Very common (may affect more than 1 in 10 people):
            – Headache, muscular pain (myalgia), generally feeling unwell (malaise), pain at the injection site.
            Common (may affect up to 1 in 10 people):
            – Fever, shivering, reactions at the injection site: redness (erythema), swelling, hardness (induration).
            Uncommon (may affect up to 1 in 100 people):
            – Dizziness, diarrhoea, feeling sick (nausea), fatigue, reactions at the injection site: bruising (ecchymosis), itching (pruritus), and warmth.
            – Hot flush: only seen in the elderly.
            – Swelling of the glands in the neck, armpit or groin (lymphadenopathy): only seen in adults.
            Rare (may affect up to 1 in 1,000 people):
            – Anomalies in the perception of touch, pain, heat and cold (paraesthesia), sleepiness, increased sweating (hyperhidrosis), unusual tiredness and weakness (asthenia), flu-like illness.
            – Joint pain (arthralgia), discomfort at the injection site: only seen in adults.

            This is know because they track people’s reactions.

            If you roll out a vaccine to 1 million of people you would expect to see a lot of adverse effects.
            At least 100,000 very common symptoms, 50,000 common ones, 5,000 uncommon and 500 rare ones.

            They are planning to roll it out a lot further so are expecting a lot more ADRs. They want to use AI to capture and process these.

            This is very positive – they are planning on how they can effectively cope with a know large influx of data.

            And you are knocking that.

    3. Cian

      My kids have “immunisation passports” that record their 4-in-1 and MMR .
      This contains a list of the vaccines, dates, doses, batch no, and who administered the vaccine.

      This isn’t new Covid terminology

      1. GiggidyGoo

        You’re referring to this? “The National Immunisation Office produces vaccination passports that you or the person giving the vaccination can fill in.” A nice colorful one? https://www.hse.ie/eng/health/immunisation/pubinfo/pcischedule/passportenglish.pdf which states ‘The aim of this Immunisation Passport is to ensure you have a record of all your immunisations.’

        So, are you seriously saying that this is the type of ‘passport’ that is being referred to as regards covid? One you fill in yourself?

        Do you need one of the ones you refer to in order to travel, because a passport is something issued by a government for the purpose of international travel?

        You’re better than that kind of diversion/distraction hopefully.

        1. Cian

          You wrote: “And peddling the word ‘passport’,”.You didn’t mention travel.

          I’m just saying the “immunisation passport” terminology pre-dates COVID.

      1. GiggidyGoo

        Point is that 1000 isn’t a representative figure for 5,000,000 people. Or the views of 10 isn’t representative of the views of 50,000, or the view of 1 isn’t representative of the views of 5000. etc. etc..

        1. Cian

          um. it literally is.
          If polls are done fairly they can give a very accurate representation of what people think (at the point when the poll is taken).

          Going back to (I think) one of your examples. If you polled 16 people coming out of a Croke park and asked them the following questions:
          – which team do you support?
          – who won?
          – what was the final score?
          – was it a fair match?
          – did they deserve to win?

          You would definitely know who won (I’d expect all to agree on this), you would have a very good idea of the final score (there might be a bit of variance here as some people misremember), and the last two (combined with knowing which team they supported¹) would give an insight into the actual game.

          ¹assuming it was a random selection and you have a similar number of people supporting each team.

          1. bisted

            …whether a poll is done fairly or not a matter of conjecture…the margin of error for any poll can be measured scientifically…the higher the margin of error the less reliable the poll…in recent years the most accurate polls have been election exit polls using the same sample size as other polls…

          2. Cian

            I just mentioned the “fairly” because it is possible to elicit certain answers by asking leading questions.

            the most accurate polls have been election exit polls using the same sample size as other polls
            exit polls are “more accurate” for two reasons:
            1. they are asking people what they did, not what the plan to do
            2. they are limited to the people who actually voted. My sample is 1000 people who voted, rather than 1000 people who might vote.

            I put “more accurate” in quotes because they aren’t inherently more accurate – it is just they are measuring the same thing at the same time. If you do a poll three month before an election it isn’t fair to say it was inaccurate becasue the election was different that the poll. Lots of thing will have changed between the poll date and the election date.

  5. johnny

    are you cannabis curious…with Gino involved,this is most definitely an industry front.

    “The mission of the IMCC is to be the focal point for information on medicinal cannabis in Ireland, inclusive of all with either a personal or professional interest”


    deep dive and outstanding investigative journalism on the origins,beliefs and future for this lobbying group.
    is it a cult?
    are your daughters safe with the new super duper whack smoke,its way way stronger…

    “I have a medical card – when I was taking 30 tablets a day which cost €900 a month they were happy to pay for it and for all my surgery every three months. But since my prescription changed to cannabis they won’t cover it. When I come home, I’ll have to pay €2,000 every three months which I just can’t afford.”


  6. johnny

    tough week for big pharma and mckinsey.
    hurts public confidence,just when it’s needed most by the govt.’s.

    “McKinsey’s involvement with Purdue Pharma came to light after Massachusetts, one of the states suing Purdue, released documents last year that linked the two companies.
    The documents reportedly showed that the consulting company was helping Purdue find a way to counter the “emotional” messaging from concerned mothers with children that have overdosed, according to the Times.”

    -didn’t Donnelly withdraw from the banking inquiry,was it over his work with McKinsey,he never revealed his clients,ever….

  7. V AKA Frilly Keane

    Test bake today is a Morning after the Night before Sausage n’ Puddin’ Breakfast roll I’ve been promising

    A kinda meatier upcycle from my usual sausie rolls

    I might just bring the ends together into a fancy festival Christmas Wreath thing
    In an after Paul Hollywood way

    This season’s Mincemeat is now just waiting to be jamjarred
    While the crab apple & clove jam (for the hang) is done

    I’ll pin the pics onto the twit link

    C’mere Janie, any sign of that Clootie recipe?
    I’m after getting caught short this year with the puddings meself, so I’d be game to give something new a go

    Ta, V

          1. Papi

            We can’t even be trusted with keyboards, imagine the absolute cacophony of visual apocalypse we’d generate.
            Although, a 24 hour amnesty would be very very interesting.

          1. v AKA Frilly Keane

            V’s Thingie

            is that a title suggestion there Scottie

            I have to tell ye lads
            I’ve very disappointed in the lack of responses tbh

            Our long lost Bake’Sheet friend & kitchen maestro
            Could have had a book filled at this stage

            He tapered off big time when Frilly had to transition

            Hope that wasn’t it, pretty sure he would have known I was V anyway
            Tis what it is I suppose
            Big Loss tbh

          1. Janet, dreams of a steamed clootie

            that’s ok, I’m 41 ( although no one ever believes me ;) ) I blame the running and liberal amounts of cheese and cream !

          2. Janet, dreams of a steamed clootie

            only messing, younger men are the way to go…gives them a chance to keep up….;) muahahahahah

    1. Daisy Chainsaw

      Friend of a friend’s wife has it at the moment and she’s bedridden, quarantining from her husband and young daughter who doesn’t understand why she’s not allowed to see or go near her mam. It’s far more serious than a flu, btw. She under 40 but has one of those pesky underlying conditions that’s not normally life threatening so she probably doesn’t count when it comes to ratlicker statistics.

      1. Philip C

        In my opinion your friend may have contracted COVID19 which stands for Coronavirus Infectious Disease No 19 which is veritably rife in the community as we speak.

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