60 thoughts on “Friday’s Papers

  1. Charger Salmons

    Can someone tell me who the presenter dressed like a penguin was on Prime Time last night who failed to ask Stephen Donnelly anything intelligent.
    Namely, why is one part of this island able to start its Covid-19 vaccination programme this week when south of the border could be waiting another 4-6 weeks to do so ?
    It’s a simple enough question.
    Unless Ireland is so embarrassed at being usurped by Britain its journalists are too afraid of being called unpatriotic to ask it.
    This government was elected to look after its own citizens and not to kow-tow to its European overlords.
    Shameful stuff as ever by the timid Irish media.

    1. scottser

      This government was not elected to look after the welfare of its citizens, it was formed to keep Sinn Fein out of power. It was formed to maintain the status quo and protect vested interests, including our media. But you probably voted for it, didn’t you?
      If you want a vaccine, I’m sure you could book one in a private clinic up north. Stop your bloody whingeing you useless nonce. Get off your knees and do something about it.

      1. Nigel

        I loathe the scumbaggery of this government, but Sinn Fein had ample opportunity to form part of an alternative government. Either they flunked it, or it wasn’t a viable option.

    2. Otis Blue

      Remember that Britain is still operating under EU rules. Thus any EU country, should it so choose, can opt to use an emergency procedure that allows them to distribute the Pfizer vaccine for temporary use in advance of approval from European Medicines Agency (EMA).

      The EMA’s former head Guido Rasi offers some clues as to why Britain might have rushed to be the first-“Personally I would have expected a robust review of all available data, which the British government has not done [in order] to be able to say that without Europe you come first.”

      That and the worst Covid-19 record in Europe.


          1. Otis Blue

            Just a hunch but I’d say that Charger is more than familiar with one of Cork’s most lucrative exports, the Pfizer Riser.

          2. Otis Blue

            “How can you lie there and think of England when you don’t even know who’s in the team”

            © Billy Bragg – Greetings to the New Brunette

          3. Charger Salmons

            Janet – think of me as the big stirring spoon in the steamed clootie mixing bowl of Broadsheet.
            I’ve got to keep the click-rate up.
            Oops, I’ve given it away now …

          4. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

            ah no, my spoons are probably washed in hot soapy water before they stir anything…

          5. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

            speaking of spoons a good friend of mine hand carves beautiful wooden spoons from fallen wood in the phoenix park for example, I absolutely treasure mine, if you are interested in a gift for Christmas of one of Gar’s exceptional spoons I think you can get them from his partners shop on Drury Street, The Irish Design Shop

  2. Andy Pipkin

    Surely Mariah Carey’s top ranked single is more important?

    I’m going for,
    All I Want For Christmas Is You!

    But it’s up too you guys ; )

  3. f_lawless

    Commenter Fanacht shared this earlier on the post about US election integrity,. but it’s worth sharing again.


    Security camera footage in a ballot counting centre in Georgia: late at night on Nov 3rd when counting had been stopped and election observers cleared out, the few people that remain are seen to drag 4 suitcases out from under a table covered by a black cloth. The table had been placed there at 8.am that morning according to the witness testimony. . “The counting machines can process about 3,000 ballots an hour. There were multiple machines there and they (the few people) were there for two hours. So you do the math…How many ballots went through those machines when there was no one there to supervise consistent with your statute?.. We believe that could easily and certainly be beyond the margin of victory”

    We keep hearing the media mantra “baseless claims of election fraud” over and over again . Perhaps it should be put to bed at this point?

    1. ReproBertie

      Trump supporters have posted another video claiming it shows election fraud. Remember the video of the bags of votes being delivered to the count centre? Remember the video of the count centre worker scrunching up a ballot and throwing it in the bin? These were also posted and circulated as evidence of election fraud. Of course they weren’t actually evidence. There was a simple explanation for both and the Stop the Steal people just moved on to the next thing. “I don’t know what’s happening in this video but it looks suspicious to me” is not evidence, no matter how many times it is retweeted and circulated on social media.

      He lost. Bigly.

      47 days.

      1. Junkface

        Biden won by 7 million votes. If they find out some idiots decided to commit election fraud, and can prove it, then that would need some very big suitcases. Doesn’t look likely at all.

        1. SOQ

          I think the strategy is to expose fraud no matter what. Even if it does not flip the result, if substantial it damages the Biden Presidency- especially in the eyes of potentially wavering Republicans.

          1. ReproBertie

            The strategy is to continue to muddy the waters and appeal to the Trump supporters who can’t handle reality.

          2. ReproBertie

            Why indeed. What possible motivation could that have? Is it even possible that they honestly believe they saw something but in fact what they thought was suspicious was normal procedure that they were unaware of?

            Swearing an affidavit doesn’t make the allegations it contains true, as we have seen with the legal challenges being repeatedly rejected or dismissed. It just means the swearer believes what they are claiming.

          3. Nigel

            But since the only actual examples of fraud pertain to votes FOR Trump, how does that damage Biden? The answer, of course, is they’re not using proof of fraud to damage Biden, they’re using massive lies about proof of fraud to damage Biden.

            And the sworn affidavits, while not lies, contain no evidence of fraud. (Also the penalties for lying on an affidavit are different from perjuring yourself in court, I think.)

        2. v AKA Frilly Keane

          but only needs about half that seven million votes
          plus 1
          (yeah I know there’s all the separate State Electoral College stuff to factor in too, but its a Friday, so chill)

          to break away from Biden to Trump

          I’ll be honest with ye
          Since there’s 150 + million of them, I wouldn’t be comfortable with a margin of seven million whatever votes tbh

          tis a bit like getting the extra insurance point in Injury time – bringing you ahead by 4
          to leave the other crowd needing a goal and a point

  4. f_lawless

    It’s got to the point where the best solution would be100% mandatory vacations for all. No excuses. Everyone should take one

    1. SOQ

      They will be very reluctant to make vaccines mandatory for a number of reasons. Right to choose and bodily autonomy being the most obvious but also liability.

      It is highly likely that there will be a certain percentage- however small- who will be injured perhaps fatally, so a class action will prove very expensive, especially as the use of PCR tests is now being discredited.

      This is Dr Vincent Carroll- another Irish doctor- has now stepped forward with some interesting things to say.


      1. SOQ

        Just on the liability angle- obviously the manufacturers will try to cover themselves with warnings but a few really pop out with Pfizer.

        4.5 Interaction with other medicinal products and other forms of interaction
        No interaction studies have been performed.

        4.6 Pregnancy
        There are no or limited amount of data from the use of COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2. Animal reproductive toxicity studies have not been completed. COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine. BNT162b2 is not recommended during pregnancy.

        For women of childbearing age, pregnancy should be excluded before vaccination. In addition, women of childbearing age should be advised to avoid pregnancy for at least 2 months after their second dose.”

        So if you are on medications then it is your own risk.

        And, as not all pregnancies are planned, so if you get pregnant in the two months after the second shot- what happens?

        1. Cian

          It is a new vaccine. They haven’t yet completed testing around pregnancy.

          “XXX is not recommended during pregnancy.” is the default response for ALL medications until sufficient tested around pregnancy is completed.

          1. SOQ

            True but that by its very nature means there is an additional risk so- if your partner was pregnant, would you be in favour of her taking it?

          2. Cian

            Every medication has a risk. By it’s nature it is effecting some change in you: usually to make you better, but in a minority of cases it may cause harm. Example: penicillin has saved millions of lives, but some people are allergic.

            Since the thalidomide tragedy (which had a terrible unforeseen effect on the unborn) there is a blanket “pregnant women should avoid medication, until it is deemed safe to do so”.

            if your partner was pregnant, would you be in favour of her taking it?
            Honestly I don’t know. Back when swine flu vaccine was about this was a hot topic of conversion with my peers as we were all at the stage in life. It was a case of weighing up the (unknown) risk of getting the vaccine versus the known risk of getting the virus * the (unknown) likelihood of getting the virus.

  5. Charger Salmons

    I predict a strong run of sour grapes about Blighty’s vaccine approval in most of the comments that will appear on here.
    The only reason the EU has failed to approve a vaccine already is political and not scientific.
    That’s why Conehead Donnelly couldn’t bring himself to tell the truth on Prime Time last night.
    There are no last minute laboratory tests taking place in December for the EU that haven’t already taken place.
    Pfizer has been producing this vaccine in complete confidence and in huge numbers since the summer.
    The German health minister said as much publicly two days ago.
    Irish citizens will be denied this vaccine until next year purely because the EU has decreed no European country should have a head start on anyone else.
    That’s what happens when you give up your sovereignty and independence.
    You’ve handed over decisions about who runs your country to someone else.
    And it happened on Oct 2nd 2009.
    Independence,eh …

    1. Brother Barnabas

      “The only reason the UK has approved a vaccine already is political not scientific”

      fixed that for you, pal

    2. bisted

      …but…but…Charger…you said yesterday the vaccine coming available in the UK was nothing to do with brexit…so it was a political decision…either way, call me muc ghuine or guinea-pig, I hope to have my first and second shot before the end of December…

    3. ReproBertie

      “That’s what happens when you give up your sovereignty and independence.
      You’ve handed over decisions about who runs your country to someone else.”

      Except just yesterday you were talking about how the UK making the decision was unrelated to Sasamach and any EU state can make the same call. Why are you trying to put an anti-EU spin on it now?

    4. SB

      Even the FDA in America has said the UK has jumped the gun a bit and approved on insufficient evidence

        1. scottser

          no problem benblack, we can all admit that the Johnson is leading the way in rolling out a vaccine that has not been properly tested in order to mitigate a revolt from within his own party.
          you must be very proud.

  6. GiggidyGoo

    The report in the Indo about the grieving father.
    “The man who lost his son and two other children….” ??

  7. Junkface

    Hard hitting news from the Star again. Ha ha! It must be a laugh working there, I wonder what their meetings sound like?

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