Can someone tell me who the presenter dressed like a penguin was on Prime Time last night who failed to ask Stephen Donnelly anything intelligent.
Namely, why is one part of this island able to start its Covid-19 vaccination programme this week when south of the border could be waiting another 4-6 weeks to do so ?
It’s a simple enough question.
Unless Ireland is so embarrassed at being usurped by Britain its journalists are too afraid of being called unpatriotic to ask it.
This government was elected to look after its own citizens and not to kow-tow to its European overlords.
Shameful stuff as ever by the timid Irish media.
scottser
This government was not elected to look after the welfare of its citizens, it was formed to keep Sinn Fein out of power. It was formed to maintain the status quo and protect vested interests, including our media. But you probably voted for it, didn’t you?
If you want a vaccine, I’m sure you could book one in a private clinic up north. Stop your bloody whingeing you useless nonce. Get off your knees and do something about it.
Nigel
I loathe the scumbaggery of this government, but Sinn Fein had ample opportunity to form part of an alternative government. Either they flunked it, or it wasn’t a viable option.
Brother Barnabas
she did ask that question (3 times)
and he, eventually, answered it
Otis Blue
Remember that Britain is still operating under EU rules. Thus any EU country, should it so choose, can opt to use an emergency procedure that allows them to distribute the Pfizer vaccine for temporary use in advance of approval from European Medicines Agency (EMA).
The EMA’s former head Guido Rasi offers some clues as to why Britain might have rushed to be the first-“Personally I would have expected a robust review of all available data, which the British government has not done [in order] to be able to say that without Europe you come first.”
I would have the Pfizer jab today if I could.
And the funny thing is so would just about everyone on here who’ll be posting gibberish about the vaccine not being ready.
Heh,heh,heh.
Well at least you’re honest.
The rest cower behind their rampant Anglophobia.
Janet, dreams of an alternate universe
which in fairness you go out of your way to stir up
scottser
it’s not anglophobia benblack, it’s just you.
Charger Salmons
Janet – think of me as the big stirring spoon in the steamed clootie mixing bowl of Broadsheet.
I’ve got to keep the click-rate up.
Oops, I’ve given it away now …
Janet, dreams of an alternate universe
ah no, my spoons are probably washed in hot soapy water before they stir anything…
Janet, dreams of an alternate universe
speaking of spoons a good friend of mine hand carves beautiful wooden spoons from fallen wood in the phoenix park for example, I absolutely treasure mine, if you are interested in a gift for Christmas of one of Gar’s exceptional spoons I think you can get them from his partners shop on Drury Street, The Irish Design Shop
Janet, dreams of an alternate universe
* properly …ffs
Tom J
We are biding our time, if the Brits don’t start falling over then we will know we are ok..
Andy Pipkin
Surely Mariah Carey’s top ranked single is more important?
I’m going for,
All I Want For Christmas Is You!
But it’s up too you guys ; )
Daisy Chainsaw
That is the correct and only acceptable answer!
f_lawless
Commenter Fanacht shared this earlier on the post about US election integrity,. but it’s worth sharing again.
Security camera footage in a ballot counting centre in Georgia: late at night on Nov 3rd when counting had been stopped and election observers cleared out, the few people that remain are seen to drag 4 suitcases out from under a table covered by a black cloth. The table had been placed there at 8.am that morning according to the witness testimony. . “The counting machines can process about 3,000 ballots an hour. There were multiple machines there and they (the few people) were there for two hours. So you do the math…How many ballots went through those machines when there was no one there to supervise consistent with your statute?.. We believe that could easily and certainly be beyond the margin of victory”
We keep hearing the media mantra “baseless claims of election fraud” over and over again . Perhaps it should be put to bed at this point?
ReproBertie
Trump supporters have posted another video claiming it shows election fraud. Remember the video of the bags of votes being delivered to the count centre? Remember the video of the count centre worker scrunching up a ballot and throwing it in the bin? These were also posted and circulated as evidence of election fraud. Of course they weren’t actually evidence. There was a simple explanation for both and the Stop the Steal people just moved on to the next thing. “I don’t know what’s happening in this video but it looks suspicious to me” is not evidence, no matter how many times it is retweeted and circulated on social media.
He lost. Bigly.
47 days.
Junkface
Biden won by 7 million votes. If they find out some idiots decided to commit election fraud, and can prove it, then that would need some very big suitcases. Doesn’t look likely at all.
SOQ
I think the strategy is to expose fraud no matter what. Even if it does not flip the result, if substantial it damages the Biden Presidency- especially in the eyes of potentially wavering Republicans.
ReproBertie
The strategy is to continue to muddy the waters and appeal to the Trump supporters who can’t handle reality.
SOQ
Why would all those people swear affidavits at the risk of perjury and jail?
ReproBertie
Why indeed. What possible motivation could that have? Is it even possible that they honestly believe they saw something but in fact what they thought was suspicious was normal procedure that they were unaware of?
Swearing an affidavit doesn’t make the allegations it contains true, as we have seen with the legal challenges being repeatedly rejected or dismissed. It just means the swearer believes what they are claiming.
Nigel
But since the only actual examples of fraud pertain to votes FOR Trump, how does that damage Biden? The answer, of course, is they’re not using proof of fraud to damage Biden, they’re using massive lies about proof of fraud to damage Biden.
And the sworn affidavits, while not lies, contain no evidence of fraud. (Also the penalties for lying on an affidavit are different from perjuring yourself in court, I think.)
but only needs about half that seven million votes
plus 1 (yeah I know there’s all the separate State Electoral College stuff to factor in too, but its a Friday, so chill)
to break away from Biden to Trump
I’ll be honest with ye
Since there’s 150 + million of them, I wouldn’t be comfortable with a margin of seven million whatever votes tbh
tis a bit like getting the extra insurance point in Injury time – bringing you ahead by 4
to leave the other crowd needing a goal and a point
(3+1)
Junkface
Luckily for democracy, its all a fantasy from a narcissistic head case.
Oro
What a clunky metaphor, and then poor use of same.
And a totally delusional idea in the first place.
f_lawless
It’s got to the point where the best solution would be100% mandatory vacations for all. No excuses. Everyone should take one
SOQ
They will be very reluctant to make vaccines mandatory for a number of reasons. Right to choose and bodily autonomy being the most obvious but also liability.
It is highly likely that there will be a certain percentage- however small- who will be injured perhaps fatally, so a class action will prove very expensive, especially as the use of PCR tests is now being discredited.
This is Dr Vincent Carroll- another Irish doctor- has now stepped forward with some interesting things to say.
Just on the liability angle- obviously the manufacturers will try to cover themselves with warnings but a few really pop out with Pfizer.
4.5 Interaction with other medicinal products and other forms of interaction
No interaction studies have been performed.
4.6 Pregnancy
There are no or limited amount of data from the use of COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2. Animal reproductive toxicity studies have not been completed. COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine. BNT162b2 is not recommended during pregnancy.
For women of childbearing age, pregnancy should be excluded before vaccination. In addition, women of childbearing age should be advised to avoid pregnancy for at least 2 months after their second dose.”
So if you are on medications then it is your own risk.
And, as not all pregnancies are planned, so if you get pregnant in the two months after the second shot- what happens?
Cian
It is a new vaccine. They haven’t yet completed testing around pregnancy.
“XXX is not recommended during pregnancy.” is the default response for ALL medications until sufficient tested around pregnancy is completed.
SOQ
True but that by its very nature means there is an additional risk so- if your partner was pregnant, would you be in favour of her taking it?
Cian
Every medication has a risk. By it’s nature it is effecting some change in you: usually to make you better, but in a minority of cases it may cause harm. Example: penicillin has saved millions of lives, but some people are allergic.
Since the thalidomide tragedy (which had a terrible unforeseen effect on the unborn) there is a blanket “pregnant women should avoid medication, until it is deemed safe to do so”.
if your partner was pregnant, would you be in favour of her taking it?
Honestly I don’t know. Back when swine flu vaccine was about this was a hot topic of conversion with my peers as we were all at the stage in life. It was a case of weighing up the (unknown) risk of getting the vaccine versus the known risk of getting the virus * the (unknown) likelihood of getting the virus.
SOQ
You cannot weight up unknown risks- they are by their nature- unknown.
Cian
Did you see this paper:
Face masks considerably reduce COVID-19 cases in Germany
… the reduction in the daily growth rates of infections between 47% and 70% is our best estimate of the effects of face masks.
I predict a strong run of sour grapes about Blighty’s vaccine approval in most of the comments that will appear on here.
The only reason the EU has failed to approve a vaccine already is political and not scientific.
That’s why Conehead Donnelly couldn’t bring himself to tell the truth on Prime Time last night.
There are no last minute laboratory tests taking place in December for the EU that haven’t already taken place.
Pfizer has been producing this vaccine in complete confidence and in huge numbers since the summer.
The German health minister said as much publicly two days ago.
Irish citizens will be denied this vaccine until next year purely because the EU has decreed no European country should have a head start on anyone else.
That’s what happens when you give up your sovereignty and independence.
You’ve handed over decisions about who runs your country to someone else.
And it happened on Oct 2nd 2009.
Independence,eh …
Brother Barnabas
“The only reason the UK has approved a vaccine already is political not scientific”
fixed that for you, pal
Charlie
“The only reason the UK has approved a vaccine is they’re desperate”
…but…but…Charger…you said yesterday the vaccine coming available in the UK was nothing to do with brexit…so it was a political decision…either way, call me muc ghuine or guinea-pig, I hope to have my first and second shot before the end of December…
very easy to have complete confidence when someone else is carrying your liabilities
ReproBertie
“That’s what happens when you give up your sovereignty and independence.
You’ve handed over decisions about who runs your country to someone else.”
Except just yesterday you were talking about how the UK making the decision was unrelated to Sasamach and any EU state can make the same call. Why are you trying to put an anti-EU spin on it now?
SB
Even the FDA in America has said the UK has jumped the gun a bit and approved on insufficient evidence
no problem benblack, we can all admit that the Johnson is leading the way in rolling out a vaccine that has not been properly tested in order to mitigate a revolt from within his own party.
you must be very proud.
Can someone tell me who the presenter dressed like a penguin was on Prime Time last night who failed to ask Stephen Donnelly anything intelligent.
Namely, why is one part of this island able to start its Covid-19 vaccination programme this week when south of the border could be waiting another 4-6 weeks to do so ?
It’s a simple enough question.
Unless Ireland is so embarrassed at being usurped by Britain its journalists are too afraid of being called unpatriotic to ask it.
This government was elected to look after its own citizens and not to kow-tow to its European overlords.
Shameful stuff as ever by the timid Irish media.
This government was not elected to look after the welfare of its citizens, it was formed to keep Sinn Fein out of power. It was formed to maintain the status quo and protect vested interests, including our media. But you probably voted for it, didn’t you?
If you want a vaccine, I’m sure you could book one in a private clinic up north. Stop your bloody whingeing you useless nonce. Get off your knees and do something about it.
I loathe the scumbaggery of this government, but Sinn Fein had ample opportunity to form part of an alternative government. Either they flunked it, or it wasn’t a viable option.
she did ask that question (3 times)
and he, eventually, answered it
Remember that Britain is still operating under EU rules. Thus any EU country, should it so choose, can opt to use an emergency procedure that allows them to distribute the Pfizer vaccine for temporary use in advance of approval from European Medicines Agency (EMA).
The EMA’s former head Guido Rasi offers some clues as to why Britain might have rushed to be the first-“Personally I would have expected a robust review of all available data, which the British government has not done [in order] to be able to say that without Europe you come first.”
That and the worst Covid-19 record in Europe.
https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea
Like I already told him
On Thursdays Papers
The UK are Europe’s Crash Test Dummies here with this Pfizer Vax
Get it in ta ya Charage
Like I already told him
On Thursdays Papers
The UK are Europe’s Crash Test Dummies here with this Pfizer Vax
Get it in ta ya Charage
Just lie back and think of Blighty
Just a hunch but I’d say that Charger is more than familiar with one of Cork’s most lucrative exports, the Pfizer Riser.
“How can you lie there and think of England when you don’t even know who’s in the team”
© Billy Bragg – Greetings to the New Brunette
I would have the Pfizer jab today if I could.
And the funny thing is so would just about everyone on here who’ll be posting gibberish about the vaccine not being ready.
Heh,heh,heh.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K7gDP3vIKdU
To be fair, so would I.
Well at least you’re honest.
The rest cower behind their rampant Anglophobia.
which in fairness you go out of your way to stir up
it’s not anglophobia benblack, it’s just you.
Janet – think of me as the big stirring spoon in the steamed clootie mixing bowl of Broadsheet.
I’ve got to keep the click-rate up.
Oops, I’ve given it away now …
ah no, my spoons are probably washed in hot soapy water before they stir anything…
speaking of spoons a good friend of mine hand carves beautiful wooden spoons from fallen wood in the phoenix park for example, I absolutely treasure mine, if you are interested in a gift for Christmas of one of Gar’s exceptional spoons I think you can get them from his partners shop on Drury Street, The Irish Design Shop
* properly …ffs
We are biding our time, if the Brits don’t start falling over then we will know we are ok..
Surely Mariah Carey’s top ranked single is more important?
I’m going for,
All I Want For Christmas Is You!
But it’s up too you guys ; )
That is the correct and only acceptable answer!
Commenter Fanacht shared this earlier on the post about US election integrity,. but it’s worth sharing again.
https://thepostmillennial.com/watch-georgia-hearings-on-voter-fraud
Security camera footage in a ballot counting centre in Georgia: late at night on Nov 3rd when counting had been stopped and election observers cleared out, the few people that remain are seen to drag 4 suitcases out from under a table covered by a black cloth. The table had been placed there at 8.am that morning according to the witness testimony. . “The counting machines can process about 3,000 ballots an hour. There were multiple machines there and they (the few people) were there for two hours. So you do the math…How many ballots went through those machines when there was no one there to supervise consistent with your statute?.. We believe that could easily and certainly be beyond the margin of victory”
We keep hearing the media mantra “baseless claims of election fraud” over and over again . Perhaps it should be put to bed at this point?
Trump supporters have posted another video claiming it shows election fraud. Remember the video of the bags of votes being delivered to the count centre? Remember the video of the count centre worker scrunching up a ballot and throwing it in the bin? These were also posted and circulated as evidence of election fraud. Of course they weren’t actually evidence. There was a simple explanation for both and the Stop the Steal people just moved on to the next thing. “I don’t know what’s happening in this video but it looks suspicious to me” is not evidence, no matter how many times it is retweeted and circulated on social media.
He lost. Bigly.
47 days.
Biden won by 7 million votes. If they find out some idiots decided to commit election fraud, and can prove it, then that would need some very big suitcases. Doesn’t look likely at all.
I think the strategy is to expose fraud no matter what. Even if it does not flip the result, if substantial it damages the Biden Presidency- especially in the eyes of potentially wavering Republicans.
The strategy is to continue to muddy the waters and appeal to the Trump supporters who can’t handle reality.
Why would all those people swear affidavits at the risk of perjury and jail?
Why indeed. What possible motivation could that have? Is it even possible that they honestly believe they saw something but in fact what they thought was suspicious was normal procedure that they were unaware of?
Swearing an affidavit doesn’t make the allegations it contains true, as we have seen with the legal challenges being repeatedly rejected or dismissed. It just means the swearer believes what they are claiming.
But since the only actual examples of fraud pertain to votes FOR Trump, how does that damage Biden? The answer, of course, is they’re not using proof of fraud to damage Biden, they’re using massive lies about proof of fraud to damage Biden.
And the sworn affidavits, while not lies, contain no evidence of fraud. (Also the penalties for lying on an affidavit are different from perjuring yourself in court, I think.)
but only needs about half that seven million votes
plus 1
(yeah I know there’s all the separate State Electoral College stuff to factor in too, but its a Friday, so chill)
to break away from Biden to Trump
I’ll be honest with ye
Since there’s 150 + million of them, I wouldn’t be comfortable with a margin of seven million whatever votes tbh
tis a bit like getting the extra insurance point in Injury time – bringing you ahead by 4
to leave the other crowd needing a goal and a point
(3+1)
Luckily for democracy, its all a fantasy from a narcissistic head case.
What a clunky metaphor, and then poor use of same.
And a totally delusional idea in the first place.
It’s got to the point where the best solution would be100% mandatory vacations for all. No excuses. Everyone should take one
They will be very reluctant to make vaccines mandatory for a number of reasons. Right to choose and bodily autonomy being the most obvious but also liability.
It is highly likely that there will be a certain percentage- however small- who will be injured perhaps fatally, so a class action will prove very expensive, especially as the use of PCR tests is now being discredited.
This is Dr Vincent Carroll- another Irish doctor- has now stepped forward with some interesting things to say.
https://vimeo.com/486220453
Just on the liability angle- obviously the manufacturers will try to cover themselves with warnings but a few really pop out with Pfizer.
4.5 Interaction with other medicinal products and other forms of interaction
No interaction studies have been performed.
4.6 Pregnancy
There are no or limited amount of data from the use of COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2. Animal reproductive toxicity studies have not been completed. COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine. BNT162b2 is not recommended during pregnancy.
For women of childbearing age, pregnancy should be excluded before vaccination. In addition, women of childbearing age should be advised to avoid pregnancy for at least 2 months after their second dose.”
So if you are on medications then it is your own risk.
And, as not all pregnancies are planned, so if you get pregnant in the two months after the second shot- what happens?
It is a new vaccine. They haven’t yet completed testing around pregnancy.
“XXX is not recommended during pregnancy.” is the default response for ALL medications until sufficient tested around pregnancy is completed.
True but that by its very nature means there is an additional risk so- if your partner was pregnant, would you be in favour of her taking it?
Every medication has a risk. By it’s nature it is effecting some change in you: usually to make you better, but in a minority of cases it may cause harm. Example: penicillin has saved millions of lives, but some people are allergic.
Since the thalidomide tragedy (which had a terrible unforeseen effect on the unborn) there is a blanket “pregnant women should avoid medication, until it is deemed safe to do so”.
if your partner was pregnant, would you be in favour of her taking it?
Honestly I don’t know. Back when swine flu vaccine was about this was a hot topic of conversion with my peers as we were all at the stage in life. It was a case of weighing up the (unknown) risk of getting the vaccine versus the known risk of getting the virus * the (unknown) likelihood of getting the virus.
You cannot weight up unknown risks- they are by their nature- unknown.
Did you see this paper:
Face masks considerably reduce COVID-19 cases in Germany
… the reduction in the daily growth rates of infections between 47% and 70% is our best estimate of the effects of face masks.
https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/12/02/2015954117
Who’s talking about vaccinations? I’m talking about holidays for everyone!
A policy we can all endorse!
Sorry F- I hadn’t my glasses on.
Yes, absolutely.
where are we going
A caravan in Tramore.
The more the merrier!
I predict a strong run of sour grapes about Blighty’s vaccine approval in most of the comments that will appear on here.
The only reason the EU has failed to approve a vaccine already is political and not scientific.
That’s why Conehead Donnelly couldn’t bring himself to tell the truth on Prime Time last night.
There are no last minute laboratory tests taking place in December for the EU that haven’t already taken place.
Pfizer has been producing this vaccine in complete confidence and in huge numbers since the summer.
The German health minister said as much publicly two days ago.
Irish citizens will be denied this vaccine until next year purely because the EU has decreed no European country should have a head start on anyone else.
That’s what happens when you give up your sovereignty and independence.
You’ve handed over decisions about who runs your country to someone else.
And it happened on Oct 2nd 2009.
Independence,eh …
“The only reason the UK has approved a vaccine already is political not scientific”
fixed that for you, pal
“The only reason the UK has approved a vaccine is they’re desperate”
…but…but…Charger…you said yesterday the vaccine coming available in the UK was nothing to do with brexit…so it was a political decision…either way, call me muc ghuine or guinea-pig, I hope to have my first and second shot before the end of December…
very easy to have complete confidence when someone else is carrying your liabilities
“That’s what happens when you give up your sovereignty and independence.
You’ve handed over decisions about who runs your country to someone else.”
Except just yesterday you were talking about how the UK making the decision was unrelated to Sasamach and any EU state can make the same call. Why are you trying to put an anti-EU spin on it now?
Even the FDA in America has said the UK has jumped the gun a bit and approved on insufficient evidence
Fauci is not the FDA and he has apologised and withdrawn his remarks.
That’s what happens when you chew on sour grapes.
Just accept the fact that Blighty is leading the way on the roll-out of vaccines in much the same way as it was the first country to place an order for the Pfizer jab back in the summer.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9017445/Dr-Anthony-Fauci-apologises-accusing-UK-rushing-jab-approval-through.html
no problem benblack, we can all admit that the Johnson is leading the way in rolling out a vaccine that has not been properly tested in order to mitigate a revolt from within his own party.
you must be very proud.
Here’s dopey Gav’s take on things…
https://www.politico.eu/article/gavin-williamson-coronavirus-vaccine-approval-shows-u-k-is-a-much-better-country/
Williamson takes the heat off Brian Stanley in the dimwit stakes.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/03/manchild-gavin-williamson-plumbs-new-depths-of-stupidity-with-vaccine-drivel?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Brilliant Friday column in the Examiner this week from Ronan O’Gara examining the crushing disappointment that comes with retirement from the game.
Superbly written.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40139648.html
The report in the Indo about the grieving father.
“The man who lost his son and two other children….” ??
I thought we were long beyond the days of “is it a boy or a child” but apparently not.
Hard hitting news from the Star again. Ha ha! It must be a laugh working there, I wonder what their meetings sound like?