57 thoughts on “Saturday’s Papers

  1. f_lawless

    https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/christmas-parties-bring-risk-of-lockdown-in-the-new-year-39824792.html

    “Ireland could be facing another potential lockdown in mid-January if Christmas and New Year socialising pushes Covid-19 case numbers up to 1,200 cases a day, it emerged last night.

    ..Asked if there were 1,000 or more cases lockdown would have to be considered, Chief Medical Officer Dr Tony Holohan said the scenario is possible but not inevitable and still “within our grasp to avert it”.

    “We are not trying to scare people. It is plausible,” he said referring to the potential projections.”

    Hands up who thinks this is already a done deal? The idea is clearly being seeded in the minds of the public: “you’ve had your fun and misbehaved at Christmas, as a consequence the only option is back to higher tier lockdown”.

    Considering vaccine roll out is planned for January, then it must make perfect sense from the cynical perspective of those who’ve been treating us much like lab rats since the start of this whole thing: “The public must be ‘nudged’ into doing what we want them to do”. The carrot and stick approach. Because the threat of rolling lockdowns is such a powerful means of exerting pressure on the public to behave in a certain way, I think it would be naive to think that threat would ever be allowed to go away of its own accord right at the time the vaccine is arriving. The government is too heavily invested in mass uptake of the vaccine at this point – . financially; pressure from powerful external players and not least, to shore up their own narrative and try to maintain a level of public credibility

    1. SOQ

      Dr. Roger Hodkinson is the former Chairman of the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons committee in Ottawa, he was once CEO of a large private medical laboratory in Edmonton, Alberta, and for the past 20 years has held the position as Chairman of a Medical Biotechnology company based in North Carolina currently tasked with selling a COVID-19 test. He is a medical specialist in pathology, which includes virology, who trained at Cambridge University in the UK.

      In this interview he questions the motivations and reactions of politicians during this ‘pandemic’- how the PCR ‘case’ tests are wrong as often as they are right and with no confirmatory testing are then used by the media to whip up hysteria, how the flu has disappeared worldwide, the power of teachers unions and the impact of masks on children.

      “This is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on an unsuspecting public in human history- it is on that degree of scale.”- Dr. Roger Hodkinson.

      https://www.facebook.com/randy.hillier/videos/209084534009008

      One hour long.

      1. Bitnboxy

        You two – SOQ and Lawless – get a room. Where you two get the energy for this conspiracy nuttery defies belief?! The effort on a Saturday morning to type this drivel.

        1. E'M

          Most amusing. You’re positively revelling in your ignorance. SOQ and Lawless aren’t the imbeciles here you know…?

      2. Brother Barnabas

        hosted by randy hillier – a climate change denier who lashes out racist tweets with gleeful abandon and was among the first with the “it’s just a bad flu” line

        just for context etc

        1. SOQ

          No ts not for context- it is an attempt to deflect from what Roger Hodkinson is saying because you cannot challenge him on either his credentials or professional experience.

          1. Bitnboxy

            Dear oh dear SOQ, you have an uncanny knack of leaving out crucial contextual details. If these guys attract and nurture every kind of conspiracy nut, then that is kind of relevant. You also, if I might say, have a terrible tendency to exaggerate and surrender to the same vice as those who you criticise: excessive deference to your own “sources”. Scepticism is good – being equally as dogmatic and ideological as your enemies is not.

          2. SOQ

            So Dr. Roger Hodkinson is a conspiracy nut then is he?

            I do read a lot about the subject, on both sides, but what is notable is that one is always in the media while the other very rarely, if ever, is.

            I probably could put forward the arguments you claim to support better than your good self except I happen to think balance is important.

            Take Marcus De Brun for example, a man who had a genuine issue to raise and yet, had no choice but speak where he could.- all credit to John and Broadsheet btw.

            But instead of discussing the merits of his arguments, he was chastised and ridiculed and bullied for his ‘guilt by association’; and the lack of self-awareness by some of his critics was astonishing.

            Bottom line is- this is an important topic and if you are not interested then don’t read it- but you will now won’t you?

            Then bitch and complain of course.

      3. Oro

        SOQ you remind me of the Mr. Collins character from Pride & Prejudice the way you gush over other peoples titles and CVs, especially in how it’s driven to British titles so often. Obsequiousness like this is difficult to read.

      4. Andrew Caffrey

        The Royal College, where Hodkinson was certified, also distanced itself from the statements of Hodkinson.

        Medical professionals and state officials have all come out against him and his comments.

        So remind me again why this one individual is ‘correct’ and all the other medical experts are incorrect?!

        If you spent half as much time using common sense rather than trying to reinforce your own opinion to yourself and others, this BS saga would have ended a long time ago.

    2. Cian

      Or you could say that we are being treated as adults and being told the consequences of acting in a particular way.

      If we, collectively, are sensible then new year will be phase 3. If we, collectively, aren’t sensible the new year will be level 5.

      We need to decide individually if we are going to act sensibly or not. Unfortunately the consequences will apply collectively.

      1. Fanacht

        Sounds like a threat – Do what we tell you to do or we lock you in your homes again.

        IOW : The beatings will continue until moral improves.

        1. SOQ

          Mad isn’t it? And yet the good ship Sweden sails along with it’s citizens wondering what all the outside fuss is about.

          1. ReproBertie

            Have you seen Sweden lately? It’s not quite how you portray it. Schools closed, close to 5,000 new cases daily and over 7,000 dead, “serious deficiencies” in their treatment of elderly care homes, 237 cases in ICU and another 1,800+ in hospitals, a higher case fatality rate than Norway, Finland, Denmark and the US, gatherings of more than 8 people banned, alcohol sales stopped at 10pm.

            Tegnell said in August that Sweden was unlikely to see a second wave but last month admitted he was wrong.

            Eamon Dunphy’s The Stand podcast has almost weekly reports from Sweden that are well worth a listen for anyone interested in the truth of the situation there.

      1. bisted

        …that looks like old news now Charger…surely the brexit debate is over and the remain side lost…the brexit split now is deal or no deal and that looks like a done deal now that you’ve dumped the no deal czar…or should that be svengali?

  2. bisted

    …looks like Boris is going to have to come up with an awful lot of fudge in the next few days…Carly will be dusting off the old Teresa May plan…the one she hid from Dominic…

        1. V AKA Frilly Keane

          Ta, Rosie

          An’ tell us
          Is it worth that kinda investment?

          And is it only WebEx it facilitates?

          *Yeah I know I could read the technical details and the reviews
          But they might as well be in Kartvelian Georgian script for all the sense it would make to me

          1. Rosette of Sirius

            No. It’s designed to integrate into Cisco’s communications platform and really only aimed at the higher end of the corporate market. It’ll work with WebEx but seems limited in features.

            One can spend an astonishing amount of money on this stuff – I know ‘cos I have over the years. What conferencing platform do you predominantly use?

          2. V AKA Frilly Keane

            Zoom I suppose
            But MSTeams WebEx and there’s a another one now as well
            can’t remember the name of now

            I’d go for a laptop type device if it didn’t need a stand
            but I like the single whole screen of that set up

            No good to me unless it’s able to run with whatever link I get sent

            Listen, ta anyway

          3. Rosette of Sirius

            Watching strictly and making dinner but have some top tips for you kit wise… stay tuned…

          4. Rosette of Sirius

            I’m a Windows user so this is what I use…. Logitech Brio webcam. Best of the best for personal use. Expensive but worth it. Blue Yeti Pro mic. Kef Egg desktop speakers. I use with a MS Surface Studio PC. It’s an expensive setup but the quality is flawless and works with every service.

  3. Redundant Proofreaders Society

    3 Irish papers, 9 British ones.

    (The Salmon Brit guy will probably pop up in response telling us why this a good thing.)

    1. Charger Salmons

      Of course the obvious response to those aggrieved at the selection of newspapers on display in this free service is don’t bother reading it.
      Instead if you want another free service might I point you in the direction of the map showing the current location of all the road gritters in Scotland.
      http://scotgov.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=2de764a9303848ffb9a4cac0bd0b1aab
      Spready Mercury is my favourite but Gangsta Granny Gritter is a close second.
      Marvellous.

        1. Marie

          There are two Bs in Tubbs my good man.

          If you insist on quoting League of Gentlemen may I suggest that you stop at the opening frame of episode 1, series 1.
          The bit where it says “You’ll never leave.”

          Welcome to Royston Vasey.

          You’ll never leave, will you?

          Even if I say please?

          1. Charger Salmons

            The smell of trying just that bit too hard.
            Another rope-a-dope chances their arm.
            This should be amusing …

        2. Gabby

          Ireland’s Own has been going strong for over a century. It sells 50,000 copies per issue, which beats the Anglo-Celt or the Kilkenny People.

          1. Gabby

            Yes, Ireland’s Own staff know their large readership, which is more than can be said about metropolitan editors of other media.

  4. Papi

    Isn’t it just hilarious that charger is trying not to be a racist, bigoted, homophobic, mysogonistic hate filled loser?
    Charming attempt. Totally futile, but charming.

  5. Cian

    Sweden where they have limited groups to 8?

    ““The decision to limit gatherings to eight participants is a very, very clear signal to every single person in our country and to all of Swedish society as to what applies in the days ahead.”

    “No social situations involving more than eight people should take place, regardless of whether they are covered by the law in purely formal terms.”

    “This is the ‘new normal’ for all of society, all of Sweden.”

    This was the message Prime Minister Stefan Löfven delivered when new restrictions were presented at a press briefing on Monday, 16 November.”

    https://www.government.se/articles/2020/11/a-maximum-of-eight-participants-should-be-normative-for-all-of-society/

        1. f_lawless

          The politicisation of science is sadly a common theme running through this whole affair

          https://twitter.com/aginnt/status/1330993527388471297

          ‘Team Doom celebrated Sweden’s increasing COVID restrictions; they also celebrated politicians taking over from the experts.

          “This is the government’s decision regarding how many people may gather. It is not we who put our foot down at all.” – Tegnell

          1. Cian

            Yes and no.

            There are two aspects to this: a medical and a social/economic one (or is that three?). NPHET advises on the medical aspect only, the politicians take that advice and decide what makes sense for the country.

          2. f_lawless

            Sure, in theory that the way one would hope things would work. Health experts make public health policy recommendations to the government. The government should weigh up the costs and benefits to society at large before making the final decision whether to implement the recommendations.

            – in Ireland’s case however the advice coming from NPHET has often been based on science that has already been politicised. eg. the WHO changing their recommendations on mask wearing

            – in the case of Sweden, their health authority, led by Tegnell, has largely resisted political influence. But now the politicians appear to be having a go at playing public health experts by coming up with their own rule about a limit of 8 at all gatherings

          3. ReproBertie

            Perhaps the Swedish politicians are reacting to the rising deaths and cases that they were told by Tegnell wouldn’t be happening.

  6. SOQ

    loyal suRTE execs in black beige trimmed pyjama style is NOT a good look from a homo perspective. bjects- citizens

    1. SOQ

      Bloody phone.

      RTE execs in black beige trimmed pajama style is NOT a good look from a homo perspective.

  7. Charger Salmons

    First Premier League game to allow fans back in – West Ham v Man Uted – and the look-at-me taking-of-the-knee earns a round of boos.
    However laudible the original BLM protests why are sports authorities still supporting a left-wing and often violent political group ?
    Virtue-signalling will soon meet the reality of fan protest.
    It’s like the Brexit referendum all over again.
    Ordinary people resent being smeared about racism.

  8. Charger Salmons

    The earlier Championship game – Millwall v Derby – met a similar reaction with the Knee.
    A stadium full of fans reacting this way will force the issue particularly as football is probably the most inclusive sport in Britain.

    1. Joe F

      You’re very quiet old boy on the Ireland Scotland rugby match! Last week you were spouting on about Scotland’s chances today. I hope no one was foolish enough to wander down to the bookies and follow your prediction. You’re doing very well lately – Donald was supposed to win, a few weeks ago you said a Brexit deal was imminent, et cetera, et cetera. Can you keep making these forecasts clown man, and I’ll put some money on what you say will not happen! You truly are some clown. Marvelous indeed.
      PS have you studied on your grammar? Concentrate particularly on the use of commas and question marks in sentences. You seem to find those very tricky.

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