108 thoughts on “Sunday’s Papers

  1. Iian-Oh

    I do look forward to the day when everyone of the above publications are gone out of business and the “journalists” have to write click bait articles like “wait til you see this mans family’s reaction after his penile enhancement” or “Kathryn Thomas family shocked at size of her secret henry hippo savings account”.

    I once had to deal with SBP for about 18 months. The journos were quite literally some of the dumbest human beings in existence.

    1. Bitnboxy

      In what capacity did you have to deal with SBP journalists? Intern? Surely there are media publications out there which suit your world view? I suspect the latter is your main issue.

        1. Bitnboxy

          Not the answer I was expecting and this merely confirms what I suspect. Don’t you think it is a bit juvenile to blithely state “all journalists in SBP are dumb”?! I don’t even read the publication but come on? For the love of Jesus.

    1. Rob_G

      Try to imagine any other Irish political party sending a bank robber to call on at the house of a university student to “persuade” them to toe the party line… that’s right, you can’t.

          1. Praetorian

            Fine Gael….they work hand in hand with KBC Bank…who employ Northern loyalist thugs to evict people in the Republic.

      1. Francis hughes

        No they don’t Rob Banks, actually the opposite they Rob ordinary people to give to the banks

      2. Otis Blue

        “Yes, as through this world I’ve wandered, I’ve seen lots of funny men;
        Some will rob you with a six-gun,
        And some with a fountain pen…”

        1. GiggidyGoo

          Very true. Take health insurance. LCR was introduced by Varadkar a few years ago. People who lost their jobs during FFG’s tenure and had to give up health insurance they had paid over decades were then hit with loadings when they took it out again. 20% in some cases. On top of that, the State takes 33% ‘levy’ of the final amount. (Bear in mind that a lot of people in that age group would be on 50% tax rate)

          1. ReproBertie

            LCR mainly applies to people who take out private health insurance for the first time at the age of 35 or over. People who had insurance and gave it up will not pay the full LCR when they take it out again. The longer they had insurance the lower the LCR.

          2. GiggidyGoo

            Easy to say ‘do not have to pay full LCR’. People who paid for decades and who lost their jobs during the FFG years 2009 onwards, and had to cancel their health insurance, were heavily penalized when they took it out again. Heavily. 20% heavily in one case I know of. Add that to the yearly increments, on which that 20% is paid too, and you’ll get an idea.

            And we got this gem at the time. “Because of the recession, young people are dropping their cover or not signing up, so the market is ageing. That’s driving up premiums massively, which in turn is forcing more people off cover. LCR will help to break this vicious circle, by encouraging more young people to buy health insurance.” Really? Is the circle broken?

          3. ReproBertie

            My mistake. The loading only applies for a maximum of 10 years but the 2% per year loading goes to a maximum of an incredible 70%!!!

      3. Daisy Chainsaw

        The fraperoom just doxxes you and puts your address online. Ask @RomanShortall. Oh wait, he was bullied off Twitter by FG loyalists.

        1. GiggidyGoo

          Well, you have Cian and his mates scraping this site and can call posts you make even 9 months ago at the click of a finger. Not that he can identify anyone, but to try spread some kind of fear.

          1. Bitnboxy

            Erm, Giggidy, your anti-vaxx tricolour-tattooed Shinner derrière self has been trying to spread fear about the Covid vaccine of late. Rein in the aul hypocrisy, please.

            More Mary Lounatick nonsense.

          2. GiggidyGoo

            Ah, there’s Cian, right on time to get the first comment in on Mondays newspapers. Something juicy no doubt.

          3. GiggidyGoo

            I don’t know what your comment is meant to prove or even there Rob. Is there something catching in FG-land? The Britnboxy lad refererred to me saying something about the HPV vaccination, and also to me being anti vax. I called it out, asking for links, and it left. So what’s your point?

          4. Rob_G

            On the one hand you are challenging someone to provide a link for something you may/may not have said. And on the same comment thread, you are crying foul that someone has called you out on your inconsistencies by linking to something else you said – you can’t have it both ways

          5. GiggidyGoo

            Jeez Rob. You’re all over the place. Grab a coffee, relax, and regroup – then try make some sense.

          6. Bitnboxy

            FFS Giggidy! Stop denying the fact you tried to spread fear and nuttery about the HPV vaccine. And now you are trying the same stunt with the Covid vaccine.

      4. Rob_G

        @Everyone – what a load of bullpoop equivocation to justify Sin Féin sending an armed robber around to some 21 year-old’s house to keep her in line – unbelievable…

          1. Rob_G

            what a dumb comparison: to compare a party with a guy shoved someone (which he certainly shouldn’t have done) and another guy who assaulted someone in a pub who was kicked out of the party on foot of his conviction, to a party that is chock-full of convicted bombers, back robbers, and child-murderers.

          2. GiggidyGoo

            No wonder you’re welcomed into the FG fold. ‘Ah sure it was just a fellow assaulting an elderly man”, and ‘Ah sure he only glassed him”.
            Not to mention of course FGs Pat Breen seeking the early release of a rapist.

            There’s a litany of FGers, FFers members and TDs that a book could be written about. But as regards killing by stealth, no better ones than FFG.

          3. Rob_G

            FG politician: shoved a man

            SF politician: shoots an unarmed man execution-style in the head

            Yeah, really comparing like-with-like there…

          4. Rob_G

            They former FG politician – they kicked him out quick-smart after his brush with the law – imagine that.

            Whereas with SF, being a bank-robber is no impediment to getting a run at a council seat. And this is the person they send out to the house of a 20 year-old girl to ‘talk sense’ to her.

          5. Rob_G

            Yes. And Fine Gael kicked him out as a result – an amazing concept for a Mary Lou fanboy to grasp, I am sure, so I will leave you a few minutes to grapple with that.

          6. GiggidyGoo

            Would that be the same type of kicking out that racist Darren Scully had? You know – the one where he was re-admitted. Imagine that – an amazing concept. Time will tell.

          7. Rob_G

            So, if I understand correctly, he was kicked out, and then let back in after duly serving a punishment – I see.

            Was Gerry Adams ever disciplined over his racist tweets, or this level of accountability only applicable to other parties?

    2. GiggidyGoo

      Can’t be true – the Indo didn’t run with it. Next Sunday’s headline ‘Shinner farts in Church in front of Garda’s kids’.

      1. Rosette of Sirius

        In fairness, I don’t think you’re too worried that the IRA will call ’round to your house to have ‘words’…. being such a stalwart defender and what not…..

        1. GiggidyGoo

          The Church of the Assumption sure does attract some crackpots – in fairness.

          Mind you, I wouldn’t like Sean Conlon of Frank Feighan calling around.

          1. Bitnboxy

            FFS – Giggidy you are frankly in no position to be crowing about crackpots. Bloody hell. From anyone other than the BS No. 1 Mary Lounatik!

          2. GiggidyGoo

            You owe some links. Can’t produce them? Enough said.
            Maybe when you get a bit of education? Your lack of it constantly makes you a laughing stock. There there there. Ask mammy to make you a nice supper, tuck you in and read you a bedtime story. There there there!

  2. GiggidyGoo

    2020 – we now have government run by tweet, confidential state documents distributed to friends, SIPO stuffed to make sure Varadkar gets a free ride, and Irish international politics run by text.

    Asked about, anything, the Duke Of Cork half-taoiseach replies from his prompt cards – ‘it’s fifty-fifty, we are half-way there, more or less, and the glass is half-empty.’

    ‘And when he was only half way up, he was neither up nor down’.

    1. Bitnboxy

      Groan – from anyone else! A bit rich from GiggidyGoo, an perma-disgruntled anti-vaxx Shinner social media stalker with a tricolour-tattooed derrière.

      Back under your rock please.

      Brian Stanley – Christine O’Mahony. Nothing to say about these two? But lots of tinfoil hat nonsense about the Covid vaccine…Spare us.

        1. Bitnboxy

          I poke the wickle Shinner baba for fun. Giggidy is totally up for this. In fact, the BS No. 1 Mary Lounatick is under no obligation to reply but an insult-laden bait-swallowing “retort” is never far behind!

      1. Toby

        Brit, you’re like that eager fella In the bar who gets drunk before anyone else and rambles with excitement. The room rolls its eyes. Calm down fella. (Also, never go full Unionist…its not a good look anywhere)

  3. goldenbrown


    have you ever stopped to ask yourself the question why in 2020 that young people are joining SF in the first place?

    1. Rosette of Sirius

      I’d I imagine, in part, that they didn’t grow up seeing the news reports of dead bodies blown to bits was well as the rest of the glories Sinn Fein/IRA covered themselves with.

      1. millie bobby brownie

        I’d say that’s part of it, but when you look at the legacies of FF/FG governments, both of whom have absolutely not done anything for young peoole except leave them with crippling debt, a housing crisis, and a recession where their futures were sacrificed to save the banks, who now make it almost impossible to get a mortgage, then SF suddenly become a more palatable option, even such an ugly past.

        1. ReproBertie

          But with Sinn Féin’s inability to form a government that may well be a case of “let’s try these ones” rather than “these ones will fix it”.

          1. Bitnboxy

            Millie’s assessment is fair.

            Young people are holding their noses and turning to SF precisely because of the failure of the governments of the last decade to tackle a seriously dysfunctional housing market and the exacerbation of inequalities in terms of life opportunities. I don’t trust Sinn Fein and further believe they won’t change anything other than infuse the type of toxicity in politics as exemplified by GiggidyGoo’s angry propaganda.

            That doesn’t mean I don’t understand why Sinn Fein and their easy populism seems attractive and if the government continue to fail young people who can’t see themselves accessing housing or good jobs and hitting the life milestones before their 40s, then they will have only themselves to blame for future SF capture of our institutions and government.

          2. V AKA Frilly Keane

            Ah c’mon Repo

            Sinn Féin were very willing
            And upfront
            About being available for Government last February

            It’s was Micheál Martin that refused to consider them
            Opting for the Confidence & Supply old establishment to get him what he wanted
            Their own leader wrote FFs death certificate

            As for the Shinners rapid turn around from May’19 s desperate Local & EU elections
            To February’s stunning head turning

            It’s very simple
            Sinn Féin were the only recognised Opposition to FG+ FF in Confidence & Supply

            A huge strategic miss by Fianna Fail not to go into coalition with SF
            The eFFers will never recover
            And all for ego

          3. ReproBertie

            Willing and able but couldn’t get a deal. Not for the first time either.

            The Labour Party really blew their chances of building support from a young workforce with their invisibility in opposition. SF definitely capitalised on that.

          4. goldenbrown


            according to the coroners report Labour died tragically due to misadventure back in 2011/12

            possibly caused by sudden loss of faculty and core belief

            many hearts were broken

          5. V AKA Frilly Keane

            Labour might offer a home for many of those February Sinn Féin no 1s
            Soc Dems too
            Remember it was the Shinners surpluses that pulled half their reps over the line

            But neither party have the candidates
            And from what I’m seeing – they’re not attracting them either
            Only FG & SF are showing any growth in support and in swelling memberships

            As for the Greens – they’re seasonal
            They’ll come and go according to the weather

            But I suspect they’ll always have a good handful of reps in the Dáil and locally

            They’re like Brussel Sprouts
            You either like them or hate them
            And if it’s the latter, you’ll still swallow one
            Even if it is just the one time every couple of years

          6. Bitnboxy

            Fianna Fáil are simply damned if they do share power with the Shinners, damned if they don’t share power with the Shinners. Obviously, they (at least the non-O’Cuivites) correctly IMO have decided that less damage will be done (and that is not saying they will be damaged by this decision) by not going into a FF-SF coalition thus refusing to normalize SF and preserve FF as the legitimate heirs of Republicanism.

          7. goldenbrown


            the kids couldn’t give a flying frigg who is the heir of Republicanism

            (or Republicanism for that matter)

            but if we carry on failing them and ourselves by continuing to indulge FFG in their thinly veiled nonsense there’s a danger they’ll develop a taste for it is my point

        2. goldenbrown

          exactly millie bobby brownie

          see, I just wonder if FFG members, supporters and friends have taken a hard look at themselves at all in the last even 10 years? Because it seems to me that they offer very little for our young people. Unless they believe throwing them a bone or two (nicer softer universal things like marriage equality for example) trump the bread and butter issues like proper payment for a day’s work?

          Peace comes in all shapes and forms, yes you have the physical sort but you also have more subtle forms like feeling secure in your own home, having a life plan that you can be reasonably certain will bring you a solid existence as you’re getting up early in the morning.

          FFG. always supposedly trying but for decades always failing for some reason or another, always some excuse. It that a surprise though? Conservative ideology is exactly what it says on the tin, no? With it there’s always going to be haves and have nots. Those who have keep what they have. Those who have not, well maybe they’ll get lucky as they catch the crumbs.

          see I think the kids get it, they know what a bag of smoke looks like. FFG would want to take a look at themselves. For everyone’s sake.

          1. Bitnboxy

            I don’t disagree Goldie but my point is simply that for a lot of Fianna Fáilers coalition with the Shinners presents an existential dilemma and threatens their very survival.

            Fine Gael have nothing to lose in the social media and smear war with the Shinners. Their electorate, as much as the Shinner base, thrive on it. But for Fianna Fáil it is a much more difficult and delicate issue as a lot of Shinners were likely former Fianna Fáilers. Literally no Shinner was a former Fine Gael voter.

          2. goldenbrown

            nor I with you

            and you’re right Bitnboxy

            but we’re the ones sponsoring this tribal crap

            they are supposed to be working for US remember?

            FF, FG, SF……it’s all bygone era nonsense. just do the fupping job you’re being paid VERY handsomely to do already!

            If I wanted sport I’d watch the hurling.

        3. Rosette of Sirius

          Completely agree with that Millie. It just galls me that we don’t have an effective politicized workers/trades Union movement in this country any more. Especially since Labour blew it and while they try any posture themselves, Sinn Fein aren’t it.

          Every week, one way or another, shinner flaming kicks off and the comment thread ends up covered with insulting goo. The argument that they’re this bright new future for Ireland is a fallacy. They’re as much anchored to their legacy as the rest of Irish politics. It’s what they have in their past, what they continue to do in the shadows and what they have in their hearts bothers me so much. And the last couple of weeks further amplifies that.

          With that all said, they’re unstoppable. Urgh.

          1. bisted

            …agree…I think the shinners missed the best chance they are going to have by misreading and not fielding enough candidates…however, I don’t believe they have the talent on the benches…there seems to be a huge gap between their best performers and the rest…

          2. Bitnboxy

            @bisted This is so true and I would go so far as to say there is a chasm in terms of professionalism and ability between the SF front bench and the large rump of their other TDs a lot of whom are only a hop, skip and jump away from a damaging headline. Amusingly some political wags have joked Mary Lou had no clue who the hell Brian Stanley was before the obvious blew up.

          3. V AKA Frilly Keane

            I agree Brother

            It’s finding Candidates and vetting them is where I think they struggle
            Good example – they knew for sure DSC and DC would promise a second candidate to be elected with Mary Lou and Shoddy

            Said it before – they need to approach more lads like Martin Kenny
            Less of the – ye know who the are

          4. goldenbrown

            but lads

            I think just as SF only have fragmented pockets of talent so too do FF and FG. (and of course a talent for what exactly and to who’s benefit?)

            this is a key problem in the whole entire show up in Kildare Street. why it will never ever change bar war or revolution. or aliens landing who show us the way forward. causing a change in the actual system of politics. these groupings of people up in Leinster House behave more like teams participating in a sport, tribal crap, and it serves us (the very ones who employ them) very poorly indeed. and we’re not absolved of blame either – they are after all employed by us, these people are a reflection of us. But is Leinster House really the best thing we can do? could we not eliminate the tribal thinking, just put the right people from across the board with the right talent and interest in the right position to serve Ireland? it’s like a huge anchor weighing us down. and it serves the narrow interests of the few instead of the wider interests of society.

            every generation we repeat this conversation.

            this is where I’m at:

    2. Rob_G


      If Brexit, Trump, Fidesz, Salvatini, and on, and on, has thought us anything, it’s that people will vote for people offering simple solutions to complex problems.

      “Vote for SF – they will increase spending, increase social welfare, build thousands of houses @ €30k a pop, all the while cutting income taxes and abolishing carbon taxes, and property tax”

      Sounds all very well and good, but does not actually translate to the real world.

  4. SOQ

    Critical Care Figures Cast Doubt on ‘Second Wave’

    Neville Hodgkinson is former medical and science correspondent of the Daily Mail and Sunday Times.

    “,,,after the huge spike that occurred in April, caused by COVID-19’s arrival, the monthly totals are either about the same, or less, than in all the previous years.”

    “I suspect now that a key reason for the panic was high-level knowledge that the virus was a chimera – a product of so-called “gain-of-function” genetic engineering at China’s Wuhan Institute of Virology, part-financed by America’s National Institutes of Health, making it both more infectious and more damaging than existing coronaviruses. Despite very quick denials from the Chinese Government and others claiming a natural origin, considerable evidence points in this direction.”


    1. f_lawless

      Whether the virus was genetically modified or not, the best evidence for its origin currently points to virus samples that were taken back in 2012 from the infected lungs of Chinese miners who had been working in a bat-infested mineshaft near Mojiang in southwest China at that time. The samples were collected, stored and researched by the Wuhan Institute of Virology..

      Early on in the pandemic there was a paper published in the medical journal, Nature Medicine,
      which was dismissive of the lab origin theory and which proposed the wet market origin. It was widely cited in international media at the time. However, since then, the wet market theory has become discredited and major scientific flaws have been exposed with that original paper published in Nature Medicine. Despite this, the media has given scant attention to the developing story.

      This account is worth reading: https://jonathanlatham.net/a-proposed-origin-for-sars-cov-2-and-the-covid-19-pandemic/

      (by a virologist and geneticist, Jonathan Latham, PhD and Allison Wilson, PhD )

      1. SOQ

        Well a gain of function would explain the OTT reaction of the authorities, at least in the early days and given Fauci’s involvement with the Wuhan lab- it is not like they are ever going to admit to it.

        What I don’t understand is what happened to the Australian vaccine- why would they need HIV remnants in the first place? And, why would false HIV positives stop the trails when they knew it was going flag up beforehand?

  5. SOQ

    DR TOM JEFFERSON: As people test positive WEEKS after they stop being infectious, why I fear this mania for mass Covid testing is a hugely expensive blunder

    “All precision has been sacrificed and instead we are blundering through – imprisoning people in their homes, further crippling the economy long after the infection has vanished.”

    “We must reach agreed laboratory standards for how swabs are processed so that one result can be meaningfully compared with another. And we must bring this indiscriminate regime of mass tests to a halt, concentrating instead on those who have good reason to believe they have the virus.
    The alternative is yet more agonising muddle and delay. More needless damage to lives and livelihoods, more pointless suffering.”


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