…I think doing something and planning to do is what seems to be the problem though…weren’t blighty planning to do the devil and all when it came to tests as well?
Brother Barnabas
but Boris said it…
Charger Salmons
Under the HSE plans for nursing homes vaccination teams will not be working weekends.
Mon-Fri 9-5 only.
All 70,000 residents of nursing homes won’t be vaccinated completely until the end of February.
This is woeful.
millie bobby brownie
Have to agree with you there Charger. Where is the urgency?
…the nursing homes all have nursing staff well able to administer inoculations…all they have to do is supply the vaccine and all residents/staff could be vaccinated in a few hours…someone is seriously grandstanding here…
Micko
Every time politicians in this country talk about the vaccine they seem to be kicking it down the road more and more.
The UK seems to be playing a blinder in fairness. Good for them.
Holohan says that testing is down over Christmas, Donnelly says it isn’t.
Which liar do you believe?
Micko
Well there was less cases yesterday.
Is it because the testers are off for Christmas or because people aren’t presenting to hospital?
Either way it’s not a good sign for a highly deadly disease.
“Ah jeases Mary…I’m coughing me lungs up… but sure, I want to eat another 14 mince pies before I go into hospital. Is there anymore Turkey going?”
GiggidyGoo
Alan Kelly resorts to the usual method of gaining Labour dail seats – looking for a merger with another party, but keeping the Labour name. The last Labour merger was a takeover (of Labour, but leaving them the name).
Brother Barnabas
preposterous notion that the SD would have any interest in being subsumed by a toxic political brand. like why?
Brother Barnabas
and brave (or stupid) of him to question the left credentials of the Greens… lots of people would say the same about Labour
Rosette of Sirius
I know it’s not going to happen but I always liked the idea of an all island SDLP…
An all island SDLP is the strongest option for Labour and the Soc Dems
And that wide reach could pick up the stray Indos throughout the island
RBB runs a tight ship around himself and doesn’t need the comfort of a party taking care of the overhead
Unless he’s the leader – I can see him thriving were he is
The other lad, PM, will just flit around Molesworth Street announcing new names for his party
Until he loses his seat or retires
In fairness
If there is to be an all Island SDLP – RBB as leader or there abouts would be monumental
And a serious membership driver
A great opportunity tbh
…step away from the sherry trifle there V…the SDLP…are you serious…and RBB in the same sentence…the SDLP are the remnants of the old Nationalist party in the north, also known as the green tories…they have been wooed by FG and the FFers over the years, providing most famously Mary McAleese…they are a spent force, broken and embittered like Seamus Mallon…good riddance…
The only way to take on the Big Party Whip/ Government
The likes of FG & SF – (’cause let’s be honest, whatever is going to be left of the eFFers will tog out with either of those two bunches)
Is with another Big Party/ organised opposition / organised election pact
If RBB is really serious about all his talk
Particularly his approach to housing, which is exactly where I am btw.
He knows he needs the big party / grand coalition / platform
And if he really actually does want to see it through
Rather than just talk and write and post videos about housing (and that’s just one significant social issue)
He’ll think less about historical and dated party lines, and become a Political Auteur (of sorts)
You and I know, RBB, is capable of leading a National Political Party of change and unity
Of Cooperation – where all walks of life are equal
Because one thing for sure is that’s never going to be Fine Gael
And unless Mary Lou can attract another 50 or so Martin Kenny’s into Sinn Fein before the next run at it (or whether she’d be allowed (⌐■-■))
It won’t be happening
I can’t see anyone else in the current Dáil or Assembly that could come close to what he could achieve with a National Big Party set up
You know sometimes you just have to get on with it and work with what’s in front of you
Maybe not from the ashes of SDLP
But it’s not the worse place to start
…sorry V but I totally disagree…you could think of nowhere worse to start than the SDLP…PbP have had some electoral success in the North before and Eamonn McCann who won under the PbP banner has been a lifelong socialist but would never have any affinity with the SDLP…I think we do agree that there are two SFs but enough to form the backbone of leftwing alternative to FFG…
SOQ
SDLP are a spent force- mainly because they became too comfortable in their income streams- a bit like most of the ‘left wing’ CoVid-19 commentariat on Broadsheet ?
Not that SF are any better mind- their Newry and Mourne District Council Planning enforcement record is an absolute disgrace.
Cú Chulainn
I know.. like really.. the SD’s are the old Labour Party, left wing with a social conscious.. the Greens and Labour should hook up.. red and green together.. they both want water charges and are about as left wing as Genghis.. imagine choosing between Kelly and Ryan for leader.. it would be funny if it wasn’t tragic..
ce
Shane talks to the animals – maybe he can negotiate peace between our terrified citizens and the psycho gulls
Cú Chulainn
Unlikely.. those psycho gulls will listen to no one.. they have a mind of their own.. unlike poor auld Shane, who misplaced his..
yeah, who could possibly have imagined that social distancing, handwashing, closure of indoor public spaces, heightened awareness of respiratory hygiene etc would also curtail the spread of the flu?
utterly weird
GiggidyGoo
Weird alright – especially as on 16th December there were 300+ on trollies waiting for hospital beds, and not one flu-related.
(yet the corona spread with the same social distancing, hand washing etc.)
Brother Barnabas
wow, giggz, now we’re getting into some mind-blowing areas… are you suggesting that Covid19 might be more infectious than the flu? and that it also might have a higher rate of hospitalization?
GiggidyGoo
What are you suggesting? Have I said that I don’t believe Covid exists?
Brother Barnabas
im saying that it’s not at all weird that covid19 spread at a time when the flu hasn’t
in fact, for all the reasons above, it’s entirely logical and to be expected
and I’m suggesting, too, that your insinuation that it’s somehow illogical or unbelievable is just another aspect of the inane and disingenuous line you’ve been spinning here of late
GiggidyGoo
Examples please to back up your last sentence.
Brother Barnabas
your comment from an hour ago, for starters – right above
GiggidyGoo
What you’re saying is that there are two viruses which are spread by the same means, and the evasive actions used to deal with one (Covid) solves the problem (eliminates) the other (flu), but doesn’t stop the one they were created for? Is that it?
Cian
Don’t forget
A. more people got the flu vaccine this year
B. Less flu testing
benblack
Yeah, and black is white.
GiggidyGoo
Links?
Cian
this week 2019/2020: total flu tested: 8,010
this week 2020/20201 total tested: 1,796
I don’t have links to the other, but the free vaccine rollout was extended to a lot more people.
GiggidyGoo
Interesting documents. A few debates could come out of them.
On the less flu testing – as there’s no information available, and as the Covid testing has taken priority, it would be safe to say that there was no testing (= no cases) for flu.
Micko
Ah, good ol influenza. Been around literally for millennia. Hippocrates apparently described it over 2000 years ago
But yep, a single winter of a bit of more hand washing and everyone very loosely following rules on hygiene has completely eradicated it.
Yeah sure…
alickdouglas
Micko–I agree with your points below about it being impossible to relate the disappearance of something to a single factor. However, the evidence for influenza, or any other virus, being around for thousands of years is extremely thin/non-existant. There are vanishingly few viruses that have been found in egyptian mummies: only HPV I think. The causes of the Antonine Plague, and the predecessor plagues in Greece remain debated, and those arguments are almost entirely devoid of data.Rather medical historians refer to the descriptions given by ancient chroniclers and try to match the symptoms to modern pathogens. The fact is that viruses do extremely peculiar things, which epidemiologists and pathologists stuggle to explain. The apparently sudden emergence of polio at the end of the 19th century is one example–that has been related to the improvement in sanitation, but it’s hard to pin it to an actual mechanism. Our in depth study of viruses really started only in the 1930s. We can stretch a bit with frozen bodies in the permafrost of Alaska permitting some work to be done on the 1918 pandemic virus, but there is no viral material available to us older than that, making it extremely hazardous to carry out historical epidemiology. Beyond that, it’s educated guesswork. Finally getting to my point, people who tell you that we have characterised viral pathogenisis sufficiently are having us on. And I’m extremely wary of anyone who compares influenza viruses to coronaviruses.
SOQ
What we have is nothing to do with virology alickdouglas- it is a template from communism imposed on democracy and championed by the so called “free media”.
Capitalism is more suited to communism than democracy- you cannot have a ‘pandemic’ without extra fatalities.
benblack
Also, testing – or completed tests – seem to increase before every government announcement. Look at the data on the government’s Covid site. On average 80,000 completed tests per week. That increases to 110,000 per week for the two weeks preceding a new government announcement – which is always further restrictions.
Also, testing – or completed tests – seem to increase before every government announcement. Look at the data on the government’s Covid site. On average 80,000 completed tests per week. That increases to 110,000 per week for the two weeks preceding a new government announcement – which is always further restrictions.
>‘it is a template from communism’
>Public health measures are communism.
Not just in the spirit of Christmas, not trying to pick a fight, but I totally disagree: Social health insurance is the epitome of public health, if you follow the British teaching of public health, but there are different models for it. The dawn of Public Health as a state-sponsored activity was Bismarck’s health insurance. Last time I checked Bismarck wasn’t no communist. Revisionists like to portray the health policies of National Socialists (no meat, no smoking) as why public health is bad.
When Clement Atlee and his friends were making the NHS they certainly were not aiming at being communists, nor National Socialists. They designed the NHS specifically to be a Very British Institution, which for much of its life has managed to drive public health. without being communist.
It is possible to design public health into the capitalist system, but the modern English speaking politicians seem to be unable to cope with it.
Not having a go at you lot, but certainly having a go with public health governance in English speaking countries.
I must arise and watch telly now! Wish you all a fulfilling last week of 2020.
SOQ
I was referring to the strategy of locking down healthy people alickdouglas- it is inherently undemocratic and a social experiment never attempted before.
To do so on such questionable data as PCR results is straight out of the communist playbook.
Micko
Well Alick, that’s fair enough and thanks for that info. V interesting.
But glad you agree with my real point – we have no real clue right now why the flu has disappeared and to attribute it to a single factor is wrong.
Happy Christmas btw ;)
alickdouglas
Yes, Happy Christmas, New Year etc. It’s very interesting here sometimes!
Tommy Bohan
So the best the “Irish” Daily Mail can do for a picture on their front page is an English WAG and her children! How terribly English! Charger Salmons will be very proud!
Charger Salmons
If I was Irish I’d be more interested in the Irish Daily Mail lead story about Ireland not getting the Oxford University/AstraZeneca jab until the end of January and wanting to know why.
Presumably reading it is beyond your comprehension which is why you’re getting all hot and bothered about Wayne Rooney’s missus.
Tommy Bohan
If you claim not to be Irish Charger Salmons why are you living here?
Charlie
He’s not entirely stupid. Who in their right mind would want to live in that hellhole nowadays?
Charger Salmons
Why not ask the 375,000 Irish-born people living there ?
Doh !
Charlie
Einstein. Most have been living there many years long before it begun turning to poo. They’re stuck. Only a few desperate eejits move there nowadays and let’s not mention the many now wanting out.
so grab a tea,its a very long read,audio is also available.
johnny
oh no.
the ineptitude and incompetence is staggering.
“We write to you now because you have positioned yourself as a prominent leader of the ongoing misinformation campaign by pretending to have some sort of ‘insider’s knowledge’ regarding Dominion’s business activities, when in reality you were hired through a staffing agency for one day to clean glass on machines and complete other menial tasks,” the letter stated.”
Really? You try make some point about handwashing etc. being responsible for the flu virus not spreading, yet the Covid is spreading in spite of those actions. Pot kettle black
Brother Barnabas
jesus christ, giggz… I’ll try again:
1. because Covid is more infectious than the flu
2. because Covid is more likely to result in hospitalisation than the flu
3. handwashing etc reduces the spread of Covid19, it doesnt eradicate it – nobody ever said it would
the flu is still around – but because of the measures in place, it’s not spreading as much as it traditionally does, hence the decline in flu-related hospitalisations
Micko
“ the flu is still around”
Emmm… not according to this article. There’s been zero cases since October.
And besides, are we thinking in a super paranoid time like this, that if someone gets flu symptoms, they are not gonna get their butts into hospital ASAP in case it’s Covid.
Of course they would. And they would be diagnosed with flu.
Which hasn’t happened… at all. For the first time – ever.
Brother Barnabas
I think there’s a decent understanding among the public as to how the symptoms differ
and I dont think anyone is going to rush themselves into hospital unless theres a severe breathing issue, which isnt a flu symptom
Micko
Over 2.3 million Covid tests carried out in Ireland already this year.
People are getting tested if they have a sniffle never mind flu symptoms
millie bobby brownie
Well isn’t that the point?
Brother Barnabas
getting tested and “getting your butt into hospital” are very different things
Micko
Not sure what you mean there Millie.
My point is how can a disease like the flu that been around literally millennia, suddenly disappear for the first time ever.
The proposed solution to it – that that people are going around badly following hygiene rules and this has led to its complete eradication seems very unlikely.
Brother Barnabas
how do you account for it so, micko?
Micko
Well of course I can’t. No one can
I suspect that the solution is (as with most things) a combination of lots of grey areas. Such as:
1) Social distancing and hygiene.
2) A lack of willingness to attend hospital due to fear of Covid.
3) Issues with the PCR tests diagnosing flu as Covid.
4) People attending for a Covid test and when they don’t get a positive result they don’t follow it up and just deal with the flu at home.
5) Untested deaths from the flu in nursing homes being attributed to Covid (260 Covid deaths are probable or possible at the moment- no test)
And more factors probably
My point is, that to attribute the disappearance of the flu due to a single factor does not make sense.
Lots of factors at play here
ReproBertie
On your point 3:
Scientists say the [PCR] swab tests are specially designed to detect SARS-CoV-2, the virus responsible for COVID-19.
These tests, which work by detecting the genetic material of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, are “very specific, said Dr Rob Shorten, Chair of Microbiology Committee, Association for Clinical Biochemistry & Laboratory Medicine.
“The specific nature of these sequences means that someone with flu or a common cold virus is highly unlikely to test positive for COVID-19,” he told Reuters.
“The Covid PCR test has pretty good specificity and sensitivity so it’s not that much of a problem. The test is more likely to throw a false negative than it is a false positive,” Dr Joshua Moon, research fellow in the Science Policy Research Unit at the University of Sussex Business School, said.
There’s lots of factors at play here and I’m not attributing individual figures to any of the factors I’ve mentioned, some obviously have reduced transmission and cases of the flu more than others.
But once again – attributing the eradication of flu – an infectious virus that has been with humans for millennia, to one contributing factor (ie good hygiene) is ridiculous.
Particularly when a similarly transmitted disease is running rampant with the same hygiene procedures in place.
That is all I am saying.
Micko
I’d take that bet Nigel
We’re smart, but no one can truly know all the contributing factors in the progression of a virus.
If anything, the last nine months has taught us all that at least.
ReproBertie
And all the scientists quoted in that article are saying is that they are happy the PCR tests won’t be misdiagnosing flu as Covid.
Nigel
Yeah, science does tend to fall apart completely when there is more than one contributing factor at play. In fact without you to point out to experts that there might be more than one contributing factor, it’d probably never have occurred to them.
Micko
Cool Bertie. But not impossible.
If we agree that ALL medical tests have a certain degree of False positives and false negatives
ReproBertie
Scientists know better than to speak in the definitive when there is always a chance, however minuscule. If they say they are happy that it’s highly unlikely then we can be confident that PCR tests are not misdiagnosing flu as Covid.
Micko
Nigel, when those contributing factors are immeasurable or have not been measured – of course they cannot be taken into account.
Anyway, going around in circles here. Just agree to disagree.
SOQ
Brother Barnabas- already had CoVid-19 apparently- yet will rush out to have every needle available stuck into his ass.
Go ahead botoxed face- come back to us after next viral season eh?
Still no Accounts for YE 2019
And there they are promo’ing another 6 figure payroll
Yet we don’t even know if they can afford it
I stand by my original views here
That RTÉ / the External Auditors are awaiting a heavy weighted dig out before the Accounts can be signed off
According to NWL who is a great source on such matters
It would appear they just have got their life rafts
Us.
Annual household charge €160. Whether you’ve a telly or not. Or use RTÉ or not https://twitter.com/nwl88444048/status/1343137322464915456?s=19
But it’s beyond obnoxious – this is like rubbing our noses in their own bulls-motions, before making us lick it up and keep everything clean for them
To be even considering another old Lovvie Political hack rehire
Just imagine this lads
We will be paying Sean O’Rourke’s superannuation pension + his new contract top up
To do exactly the same job he was doing for the last 20 odd years that RTÉ was running amok, serving themselves inc O’Rourke et all,
Hardly the activities of an organisation that has any intention of changing its ways
At least the FAI made a better stab at it
Shameful
If this rehire gets signed off without a good fight
From the opposition at the very least
Let me tell ye Nothing is going to change in this country
And RTÉ will get to carry on as they’ve always done
Serving themselves and themselves only.
That’s interesting, I’d love to hear what @soq has to say about that. The absolute nonsense being spouted about how great Sweden and its anti Mask, anti regulation type system has done to keep their numbers low etc. Etc. What an interesting turn of events.
benblack
Tongues-in-Cheek are difficult to observe when masked.
SOQ
Sweden had a rise in fatalities in November which has been consistently falling during the month of December- slightly above the average for that time of year but nowhere near some other countries.
Their response has always been proportionate to the threat- so what is your point?
“Their response has always been proportionate to the threat.”
In your opinion. I’d say there’s a good number of people who disagree with that.
Brother Barnabas
those people just arent asking the right questions
Cian
Sweden report their numbers based on date of death. So the “fall in fatalities” in December is likely due to the fact that some deaths are reported up to 2 weeks late – Decemebers numbers wont be finalised until mid-Jamuary.
Example: currently (29/12/2020) there are 8 reported deaths for 28/12/2020
To extend this for 25th, 26th, 27th, and 28th December:
on 29/12/20 these are: 9, 13, 15, 8 deaths
Cian
For 25th, 26th, 27th, and 28th December:
on 29/12/20 these are: 9, 13, 15, 8 deaths
on 30/12/20 there are 23, 25, 20, 20 deaths
Cian
Official Covid deaths in Sweden:
For 25th, 26th, 27th, and 28th December:
on 29/12/20 these are: 9, 13, 15, 8 deaths [45]
on 30/12/20 there are 23, 25, 20, 20 deaths [88]
no updates by Sweden until suddenly
on 05/01/21 there are 39, 35, 27, 38 deaths [139]
Cian
Official Covid deaths in Sweden:
For 25th, 26th, 27th, and 28th December:
on 29/12/20 these are: 9, 13, 15, 8 deaths [45]
on 30/12/20 there are 23, 25, 20, 20 deaths [88]
no updates by Sweden over New Years
on 05/01/21 there are 39, 35, 27, 38 deaths [139]
on 07/01/2021 there are 45, 42, 38, 49 deaths [174]
Cian
Official Covid deaths in Sweden:
For 25th, 26th, 27th, and 28th December:
on 29/12/20 these are: 9, 13, 15, 8 deaths [45]
on 30/12/20 there are 23, 25, 20, 20 deaths [88]
no updates by Sweden over New Years
on 05/01/21 there are 39, 35, 27, 38 deaths [139]
on 07/01/2021 there are 45, 42, 38, 49 deaths [174]
on 08/01/2021 there are 59, 58, 58, 64 deaths [239]
oh, and the 17th December is currently at 114 deaths, which is 1 less than the (joint) peak in 8 & 15th April!
Cian
Official Covid deaths in Sweden:
For 25th, 26th, 27th, and 28th December:
on 29/12/20 these are: 9, 13, 15, 8 deaths [45]
on 30/12/20 there are 23, 25, 20, 20 deaths [88]
no updates by Sweden over New Years
on 05/01/21 there are 39, 35, 27, 38 deaths [139]
on 07/01/2021 there are 45, 42, 38, 49 deaths [174]
on 08/01/2021 there are 59, 58, 58, 64 deaths [239]
on 12/01/2021 there are 68, 62, 66, 79 deaths [275]
..and 17 Dec, with 116 deaths, has exceeded the April peak. :-(
Cian
Official Covid deaths in Sweden:
For 25th, 26th, 27th, and 28th December:
on 29/12/20 these are: 9, 13, 15, 8 deaths [45]
on 30/12/20 there are 23, 25, 20, 20 deaths [88]
no updates by Sweden over New Years
on 05/01/21 there are 39, 35, 27, 38 deaths [139]
on 07/01/2021 there are 45, 42, 38, 49 deaths [174]
on 08/01/2021 there are 59, 58, 58, 64 deaths [239]
on 12/01/2021 there are 68, 62, 66, 79 deaths [275]
on 13/01/2021 there are 77, 69, 73, 89 deaths [308]
Cian
Official Covid deaths in Sweden:
For 25th, 26th, 27th, and 28th December:
on 29/12/20 these are: 9, 13, 15, 8 deaths [45]
on 30/12/20 there are 23, 25, 20, 20 deaths [88]
no updates by Sweden over New Years
on 05/01/21 there are 39, 35, 27, 38 deaths [139]
on 07/01/2021 there are 45, 42, 38, 49 deaths [174]
on 08/01/2021 there are 59, 58, 58, 64 deaths [239]
on 12/01/2021 there are 68, 62, 66, 79 deaths [275]
on 13/01/2021 there are 77, 69, 73, 89 deaths [308]
on 14/01/2021 there are 101, 92, 88, 110 deaths [391]
Cian
Official Covid deaths in Sweden:
For 25th, 26th, 27th, and 28th December:
on 29/12/20 these are: 9, 13, 15, 8 deaths [45]
on 30/12/20 there are 23, 25, 20, 20 deaths [88]
no updates by Sweden over New Years
on 05/01/21 there are 39, 35, 27, 38 deaths [139]
on 07/01/2021 there are 45, 42, 38, 49 deaths [174]
on 08/01/2021 there are 59, 58, 58, 64 deaths [239]
on 12/01/2021 there are 68, 62, 66, 79 deaths [275]
on 13/01/2021 there are 77, 69, 73, 89 deaths [308]
on 14/01/2021 there are 101, 92, 88, 110 deaths [391]
on 15/01/2021 there are 102, 92, 94, 116 deaths [404]
Cian
Official Covid deaths in Sweden:
For 25th, 26th, 27th, and 28th December:
on 29/12/20 these are: 9, 13, 15, 8 deaths [45]
on 30/12/20 there are 23, 25, 20, 20 deaths [88]
no updates by Sweden over New Years
on 05/01/21 there are 39, 35, 27, 38 deaths [139]
on 07/01/2021 there are 45, 42, 38, 49 deaths [174]
on 08/01/2021 there are 59, 58, 58, 64 deaths [239]
on 12/01/2021 there are 68, 62, 66, 79 deaths [275]
on 13/01/2021 there are 77, 69, 73, 89 deaths [308]
on 14/01/2021 there are 101, 92, 88, 110 deaths [391]
on 15/01/2021 there are 102, 92, 94, 116 deaths [404]
on 19/01/2021 there are 105, 92, 96, 120 deaths [413]
118 on 17th Dec, and 120 on 28th Dec are both higher than the first wave peak in April
Cian
Official Covid deaths in Sweden:
For 25th, 26th, 27th, and 28th December:
on 29/12/20 these are: 9, 13, 15, 8 deaths [45]
on 30/12/20 there are 23, 25, 20, 20 deaths [88]
no updates by Sweden over New Years
on 05/01/21 there are 39, 35, 27, 38 deaths [139]
on 07/01/2021 there are 45, 42, 38, 49 deaths [174]
on 08/01/2021 there are 59, 58, 58, 64 deaths [239]
on 12/01/2021 there are 68, 62, 66, 79 deaths [275]
on 13/01/2021 there are 77, 69, 73, 89 deaths [308]
on 14/01/2021 there are 101, 92, 88, 110 deaths [391]
on 15/01/2021 there are 102, 92, 94, 116 deaths [404]
on 19/01/2021 there are 105, 92, 96, 120 deaths [413]
on 20/01/2021 there are 107, 92, 96, 122 deaths [417]
Cian
on 21/01/2021 there are 106, 92, 97, 121 deaths [416]
MacGafraidh
You were radically sure that masks didn’t work and the fact that there was no imposition on mask wearing contributed greatly, if not wholly to Swedens sensational performance against covid.
Now the numbers are increasing. Fairly aggressively at that. What would your all seeing eye put that down to? Other than your take on delayed reporting. Why aren’t the lack of masks keeping the covid at bay anymore like it was previously? I spoke about how at the time, despite Swedens overall lower numbers, Stockholm was seeing increases in its more densely populated area and you thought I was talking pony.. Now the cases are stacking up and they’re looking to take measures that exceed those taken by other European countries. Which is weird because when we spoke, Sweden knew what they were doing and the doctors knew their stuff and our actions were incorrect as were the rest of europe.. Yet here we are.. It’s almost as if.. You were wrong.
Pathetic excuses from Reid and Varadkar on the late rollout of the vaccine
…listened to that guy Reid yesterday…waffle worthy of any politician…really does not look good for vaccine rollout…
And you’re surprised ?
…success, truly, has many fathers…
Indeed.
The UK planning for a million vaccines a week by January.
…I think doing something and planning to do is what seems to be the problem though…weren’t blighty planning to do the devil and all when it came to tests as well?
but Boris said it…
Under the HSE plans for nursing homes vaccination teams will not be working weekends.
Mon-Fri 9-5 only.
All 70,000 residents of nursing homes won’t be vaccinated completely until the end of February.
This is woeful.
Have to agree with you there Charger. Where is the urgency?
…the nursing homes all have nursing staff well able to administer inoculations…all they have to do is supply the vaccine and all residents/staff could be vaccinated in a few hours…someone is seriously grandstanding here…
Every time politicians in this country talk about the vaccine they seem to be kicking it down the road more and more.
The UK seems to be playing a blinder in fairness. Good for them.
Indeed …
https://twitter.com/OprosUK/status/1343609517569941505
Holohan says that testing is down over Christmas, Donnelly says it isn’t.
Which liar do you believe?
Well there was less cases yesterday.
Is it because the testers are off for Christmas or because people aren’t presenting to hospital?
Either way it’s not a good sign for a highly deadly disease.
“Ah jeases Mary…I’m coughing me lungs up… but sure, I want to eat another 14 mince pies before I go into hospital. Is there anymore Turkey going?”
Alan Kelly resorts to the usual method of gaining Labour dail seats – looking for a merger with another party, but keeping the Labour name. The last Labour merger was a takeover (of Labour, but leaving them the name).
preposterous notion that the SD would have any interest in being subsumed by a toxic political brand. like why?
and brave (or stupid) of him to question the left credentials of the Greens… lots of people would say the same about Labour
I know it’s not going to happen but I always liked the idea of an all island SDLP…
An all island SDLP is the strongest option for Labour and the Soc Dems
And that wide reach could pick up the stray Indos throughout the island
RBB runs a tight ship around himself and doesn’t need the comfort of a party taking care of the overhead
Unless he’s the leader – I can see him thriving were he is
The other lad, PM, will just flit around Molesworth Street announcing new names for his party
Until he loses his seat or retires
In fairness
If there is to be an all Island SDLP – RBB as leader or there abouts would be monumental
And a serious membership driver
A great opportunity tbh
…step away from the sherry trifle there V…the SDLP…are you serious…and RBB in the same sentence…the SDLP are the remnants of the old Nationalist party in the north, also known as the green tories…they have been wooed by FG and the FFers over the years, providing most famously Mary McAleese…they are a spent force, broken and embittered like Seamus Mallon…good riddance…
I am actually
The only way to take on the Big Party Whip/ Government
The likes of FG & SF – (’cause let’s be honest, whatever is going to be left of the eFFers will tog out with either of those two bunches)
Is with another Big Party/ organised opposition / organised election pact
If RBB is really serious about all his talk
Particularly his approach to housing, which is exactly where I am btw.
He knows he needs the big party / grand coalition / platform
And if he really actually does want to see it through
Rather than just talk and write and post videos about housing (and that’s just one significant social issue)
He’ll think less about historical and dated party lines, and become a Political Auteur (of sorts)
You and I know, RBB, is capable of leading a National Political Party of change and unity
Of Cooperation – where all walks of life are equal
Because one thing for sure is that’s never going to be Fine Gael
And unless Mary Lou can attract another 50 or so Martin Kenny’s into Sinn Fein before the next run at it (or whether she’d be allowed (⌐■-■))
It won’t be happening
I can’t see anyone else in the current Dáil or Assembly that could come close to what he could achieve with a National Big Party set up
You know sometimes you just have to get on with it and work with what’s in front of you
Maybe not from the ashes of SDLP
But it’s not the worse place to start
…sorry V but I totally disagree…you could think of nowhere worse to start than the SDLP…PbP have had some electoral success in the North before and Eamonn McCann who won under the PbP banner has been a lifelong socialist but would never have any affinity with the SDLP…I think we do agree that there are two SFs but enough to form the backbone of leftwing alternative to FFG…
SDLP are a spent force- mainly because they became too comfortable in their income streams- a bit like most of the ‘left wing’ CoVid-19 commentariat on Broadsheet ?
Not that SF are any better mind- their Newry and Mourne District Council Planning enforcement record is an absolute disgrace.
I know.. like really.. the SD’s are the old Labour Party, left wing with a social conscious.. the Greens and Labour should hook up.. red and green together.. they both want water charges and are about as left wing as Genghis.. imagine choosing between Kelly and Ryan for leader.. it would be funny if it wasn’t tragic..
Shane talks to the animals – maybe he can negotiate peace between our terrified citizens and the psycho gulls
Unlikely.. those psycho gulls will listen to no one.. they have a mind of their own.. unlike poor auld Shane, who misplaced his..
Great that we have finally eradicated the flu. No lab recorded cases of it this year. https://mobile.twitter.com/rtenews/status/1343485690714218496 according to Colm Henry
yeah, who could possibly have imagined that social distancing, handwashing, closure of indoor public spaces, heightened awareness of respiratory hygiene etc would also curtail the spread of the flu?
utterly weird
Weird alright – especially as on 16th December there were 300+ on trollies waiting for hospital beds, and not one flu-related.
(yet the corona spread with the same social distancing, hand washing etc.)
wow, giggz, now we’re getting into some mind-blowing areas… are you suggesting that Covid19 might be more infectious than the flu? and that it also might have a higher rate of hospitalization?
What are you suggesting? Have I said that I don’t believe Covid exists?
im saying that it’s not at all weird that covid19 spread at a time when the flu hasn’t
in fact, for all the reasons above, it’s entirely logical and to be expected
and I’m suggesting, too, that your insinuation that it’s somehow illogical or unbelievable is just another aspect of the inane and disingenuous line you’ve been spinning here of late
Examples please to back up your last sentence.
your comment from an hour ago, for starters – right above
What you’re saying is that there are two viruses which are spread by the same means, and the evasive actions used to deal with one (Covid) solves the problem (eliminates) the other (flu), but doesn’t stop the one they were created for? Is that it?
Don’t forget
A. more people got the flu vaccine this year
B. Less flu testing
Yeah, and black is white.
Links?
this week 2019/2020: total flu tested: 8,010
this week 2020/20201 total tested: 1,796
2020
https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/influenza/seasonalinfluenza/surveillance/influenzasurveillancereports/20202021season/Influenza_Surveillance_Report_Week%20512020_Finalv1.0_22122020.pdf
2019
https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/influenza/seasonalinfluenza/surveillance/influenzasurveillancereports/previousinfluenzaseasonssurveillancereports/20192020season/Influenza%20Surveillance%20Report,%20Week%2051%20&%2052,%202019.pdf
I don’t have links to the other, but the free vaccine rollout was extended to a lot more people.
Interesting documents. A few debates could come out of them.
On the less flu testing – as there’s no information available, and as the Covid testing has taken priority, it would be safe to say that there was no testing (= no cases) for flu.
Ah, good ol influenza. Been around literally for millennia. Hippocrates apparently described it over 2000 years ago
But yep, a single winter of a bit of more hand washing and everyone very loosely following rules on hygiene has completely eradicated it.
Yeah sure…
Micko–I agree with your points below about it being impossible to relate the disappearance of something to a single factor. However, the evidence for influenza, or any other virus, being around for thousands of years is extremely thin/non-existant. There are vanishingly few viruses that have been found in egyptian mummies: only HPV I think. The causes of the Antonine Plague, and the predecessor plagues in Greece remain debated, and those arguments are almost entirely devoid of data.Rather medical historians refer to the descriptions given by ancient chroniclers and try to match the symptoms to modern pathogens. The fact is that viruses do extremely peculiar things, which epidemiologists and pathologists stuggle to explain. The apparently sudden emergence of polio at the end of the 19th century is one example–that has been related to the improvement in sanitation, but it’s hard to pin it to an actual mechanism. Our in depth study of viruses really started only in the 1930s. We can stretch a bit with frozen bodies in the permafrost of Alaska permitting some work to be done on the 1918 pandemic virus, but there is no viral material available to us older than that, making it extremely hazardous to carry out historical epidemiology. Beyond that, it’s educated guesswork. Finally getting to my point, people who tell you that we have characterised viral pathogenisis sufficiently are having us on. And I’m extremely wary of anyone who compares influenza viruses to coronaviruses.
What we have is nothing to do with virology alickdouglas- it is a template from communism imposed on democracy and championed by the so called “free media”.
Capitalism is more suited to communism than democracy- you cannot have a ‘pandemic’ without extra fatalities.
Also, testing – or completed tests – seem to increase before every government announcement. Look at the data on the government’s Covid site. On average 80,000 completed tests per week. That increases to 110,000 per week for the two weeks preceding a new government announcement – which is always further restrictions.
It’s so simple to manipulate.
“Lies, damned lies, and statistics”
https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/epidemiologyofcovid-19inirelandweeklyreports/
More completed tests = more positive cases.
Also, testing – or completed tests – seem to increase before every government announcement. Look at the data on the government’s Covid site. On average 80,000 completed tests per week. That increases to 110,000 per week for the two weeks preceding a new government announcement – which is always further restrictions.
It’s so simple to manipulate.
“Lies, damned lies, and statistics”
https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/epidemiologyofcovid-19inirelandweeklyreports/
More completed tests = more positive cases.
‘it is a template from communism’
Public health measures are communism.
Apologies.
Double post, obviously.
>‘it is a template from communism’
>Public health measures are communism.
Not just in the spirit of Christmas, not trying to pick a fight, but I totally disagree: Social health insurance is the epitome of public health, if you follow the British teaching of public health, but there are different models for it. The dawn of Public Health as a state-sponsored activity was Bismarck’s health insurance. Last time I checked Bismarck wasn’t no communist. Revisionists like to portray the health policies of National Socialists (no meat, no smoking) as why public health is bad.
When Clement Atlee and his friends were making the NHS they certainly were not aiming at being communists, nor National Socialists. They designed the NHS specifically to be a Very British Institution, which for much of its life has managed to drive public health. without being communist.
It is possible to design public health into the capitalist system, but the modern English speaking politicians seem to be unable to cope with it.
Not having a go at you lot, but certainly having a go with public health governance in English speaking countries.
I must arise and watch telly now! Wish you all a fulfilling last week of 2020.
I was referring to the strategy of locking down healthy people alickdouglas- it is inherently undemocratic and a social experiment never attempted before.
To do so on such questionable data as PCR results is straight out of the communist playbook.
Well Alick, that’s fair enough and thanks for that info. V interesting.
But glad you agree with my real point – we have no real clue right now why the flu has disappeared and to attribute it to a single factor is wrong.
Happy Christmas btw ;)
Yes, Happy Christmas, New Year etc. It’s very interesting here sometimes!
So the best the “Irish” Daily Mail can do for a picture on their front page is an English WAG and her children! How terribly English! Charger Salmons will be very proud!
If I was Irish I’d be more interested in the Irish Daily Mail lead story about Ireland not getting the Oxford University/AstraZeneca jab until the end of January and wanting to know why.
Presumably reading it is beyond your comprehension which is why you’re getting all hot and bothered about Wayne Rooney’s missus.
If you claim not to be Irish Charger Salmons why are you living here?
He’s not entirely stupid. Who in their right mind would want to live in that hellhole nowadays?
Why not ask the 375,000 Irish-born people living there ?
Doh !
Einstein. Most have been living there many years long before it begun turning to poo. They’re stuck. Only a few desperate eejits move there nowadays and let’s not mention the many now wanting out.
How many have opted for Irish EU passports
┐( ˘_˘)┌
Of course they do petal.
What a silly.
Truth hurts, doesn’t it silly?
New Yorker.
(entire issue non-paywall).
The Plague Year
The mistakes and the struggles behind America’s coronavirus tragedy.
By Lawrence Wright.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/01/04/the-plague-year
so grab a tea,its a very long read,audio is also available.
oh no.
the ineptitude and incompetence is staggering.
“We write to you now because you have positioned yourself as a prominent leader of the ongoing misinformation campaign by pretending to have some sort of ‘insider’s knowledge’ regarding Dominion’s business activities, when in reality you were hired through a staffing agency for one day to clean glass on machines and complete other menial tasks,” the letter stated.”
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/dominion-attorneys-send-brutal-letter-to-trump-campaigns-so-called-star-witness-mellissa-carone/
-the industry is booming,lic companies are turning away dollars and investors,coin and cannabis is where its at,i got two turntables and a microphone…
Top 10 cannabis business stories of 2020.
https://mjbizdaily.com/top-10-cannabis-business-stories-of-2020/
Really? You try make some point about handwashing etc. being responsible for the flu virus not spreading, yet the Covid is spreading in spite of those actions. Pot kettle black
jesus christ, giggz… I’ll try again:
1. because Covid is more infectious than the flu
2. because Covid is more likely to result in hospitalisation than the flu
3. handwashing etc reduces the spread of Covid19, it doesnt eradicate it – nobody ever said it would
the flu is still around – but because of the measures in place, it’s not spreading as much as it traditionally does, hence the decline in flu-related hospitalisations
“ the flu is still around”
Emmm… not according to this article. There’s been zero cases since October.
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.thejournal.ie/winter-flu-cases-ireland-2020-5296226-Dec2020/%3famp=1
And besides, are we thinking in a super paranoid time like this, that if someone gets flu symptoms, they are not gonna get their butts into hospital ASAP in case it’s Covid.
Of course they would. And they would be diagnosed with flu.
Which hasn’t happened… at all. For the first time – ever.
I think there’s a decent understanding among the public as to how the symptoms differ
and I dont think anyone is going to rush themselves into hospital unless theres a severe breathing issue, which isnt a flu symptom
Over 2.3 million Covid tests carried out in Ireland already this year.
People are getting tested if they have a sniffle never mind flu symptoms
Well isn’t that the point?
getting tested and “getting your butt into hospital” are very different things
Not sure what you mean there Millie.
My point is how can a disease like the flu that been around literally millennia, suddenly disappear for the first time ever.
The proposed solution to it – that that people are going around badly following hygiene rules and this has led to its complete eradication seems very unlikely.
how do you account for it so, micko?
Well of course I can’t. No one can
I suspect that the solution is (as with most things) a combination of lots of grey areas. Such as:
1) Social distancing and hygiene.
2) A lack of willingness to attend hospital due to fear of Covid.
3) Issues with the PCR tests diagnosing flu as Covid.
4) People attending for a Covid test and when they don’t get a positive result they don’t follow it up and just deal with the flu at home.
5) Untested deaths from the flu in nursing homes being attributed to Covid (260 Covid deaths are probable or possible at the moment- no test)
And more factors probably
My point is, that to attribute the disappearance of the flu due to a single factor does not make sense.
Lots of factors at play here
On your point 3:
Scientists say the [PCR] swab tests are specially designed to detect SARS-CoV-2, the virus responsible for COVID-19.
These tests, which work by detecting the genetic material of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, are “very specific, said Dr Rob Shorten, Chair of Microbiology Committee, Association for Clinical Biochemistry & Laboratory Medicine.
“The specific nature of these sequences means that someone with flu or a common cold virus is highly unlikely to test positive for COVID-19,” he told Reuters.
“The Covid PCR test has pretty good specificity and sensitivity so it’s not that much of a problem. The test is more likely to throw a false negative than it is a false positive,” Dr Joshua Moon, research fellow in the Science Policy Research Unit at the University of Sussex Business School, said.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-swab-idUSKBN26R3DH
‘Well of course I can’t.’
Why would you? You’re not an expert in this area.
‘No one can.’
I would put money on this not being true.
He says it’s “ highly unlikely to test positive”
But not impossible Bertie
There’s lots of factors at play here and I’m not attributing individual figures to any of the factors I’ve mentioned, some obviously have reduced transmission and cases of the flu more than others.
But once again – attributing the eradication of flu – an infectious virus that has been with humans for millennia, to one contributing factor (ie good hygiene) is ridiculous.
Particularly when a similarly transmitted disease is running rampant with the same hygiene procedures in place.
That is all I am saying.
I’d take that bet Nigel
We’re smart, but no one can truly know all the contributing factors in the progression of a virus.
If anything, the last nine months has taught us all that at least.
And all the scientists quoted in that article are saying is that they are happy the PCR tests won’t be misdiagnosing flu as Covid.
Yeah, science does tend to fall apart completely when there is more than one contributing factor at play. In fact without you to point out to experts that there might be more than one contributing factor, it’d probably never have occurred to them.
Cool Bertie. But not impossible.
If we agree that ALL medical tests have a certain degree of False positives and false negatives
Scientists know better than to speak in the definitive when there is always a chance, however minuscule. If they say they are happy that it’s highly unlikely then we can be confident that PCR tests are not misdiagnosing flu as Covid.
Nigel, when those contributing factors are immeasurable or have not been measured – of course they cannot be taken into account.
Anyway, going around in circles here. Just agree to disagree.
Brother Barnabas- already had CoVid-19 apparently- yet will rush out to have every needle available stuck into his ass.
Go ahead botoxed face- come back to us after next viral season eh?
not everything goes into your ass, soq
And there we have it.
https://www.broadsheet.ie/2020/12/28/mondays-papers-63/#comment-2279394
It’s not an ineffable mystery, they’ll come up with a workable theory or two that fit the data.
Nice to see BB upholding his views. https://www.broadsheet.ie/2020/01/25/sundays-papers-17/#comment-2163684
30,000 words on the spread of covid in the US.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/01/04/the-plague-year
The arrogance of RTÉ and Sean O’Rourke
Still no Accounts for YE 2019
And there they are promo’ing another 6 figure payroll
Yet we don’t even know if they can afford it
I stand by my original views here
That RTÉ / the External Auditors are awaiting a heavy weighted dig out before the Accounts can be signed off
According to NWL who is a great source on such matters
It would appear they just have got their life rafts
Us.
Annual household charge €160. Whether you’ve a telly or not. Or use RTÉ or not
https://twitter.com/nwl88444048/status/1343137322464915456?s=19
But it’s beyond obnoxious – this is like rubbing our noses in their own bulls-motions, before making us lick it up and keep everything clean for them
To be even considering another old Lovvie Political hack rehire
Just imagine this lads
We will be paying Sean O’Rourke’s superannuation pension + his new contract top up
To do exactly the same job he was doing for the last 20 odd years that RTÉ was running amok, serving themselves inc O’Rourke et all,
Hardly the activities of an organisation that has any intention of changing its ways
At least the FAI made a better stab at it
Shameful
If this rehire gets signed off without a good fight
From the opposition at the very least
Let me tell ye Nothing is going to change in this country
And RTÉ will get to carry on as they’ve always done
Serving themselves and themselves only.
Accountants couldn’t even run a bath properly.
Don’t ask me so
As Frilly turns hot water tap on with her big toe.
Well they can always rely on you Memes
I did like your Vice Raisin tho
Cute
Sweden proposes pandemic law for broader shutdown powers https://jrnl.ie/5311980
Sweden’s National Lampoon, beware.
That’s interesting, I’d love to hear what @soq has to say about that. The absolute nonsense being spouted about how great Sweden and its anti Mask, anti regulation type system has done to keep their numbers low etc. Etc. What an interesting turn of events.
Tongues-in-Cheek are difficult to observe when masked.
Sweden had a rise in fatalities in November which has been consistently falling during the month of December- slightly above the average for that time of year but nowhere near some other countries.
Their response has always been proportionate to the threat- so what is your point?
https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/
“Their response has always been proportionate to the threat.”
In your opinion. I’d say there’s a good number of people who disagree with that.
those people just arent asking the right questions
Sweden report their numbers based on date of death. So the “fall in fatalities” in December is likely due to the fact that some deaths are reported up to 2 weeks late – Decemebers numbers wont be finalised until mid-Jamuary.
Example: currently (29/12/2020) there are 8 reported deaths for 28/12/2020
https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6f9f87457ed9aa/page/page_0/
To extend this for 25th, 26th, 27th, and 28th December:
on 29/12/20 these are: 9, 13, 15, 8 deaths
For 25th, 26th, 27th, and 28th December:
on 29/12/20 these are: 9, 13, 15, 8 deaths
on 30/12/20 there are 23, 25, 20, 20 deaths
Official Covid deaths in Sweden:
For 25th, 26th, 27th, and 28th December:
on 29/12/20 these are: 9, 13, 15, 8 deaths [45]
on 30/12/20 there are 23, 25, 20, 20 deaths [88]
no updates by Sweden until suddenly
on 05/01/21 there are 39, 35, 27, 38 deaths [139]
Official Covid deaths in Sweden:
For 25th, 26th, 27th, and 28th December:
on 29/12/20 these are: 9, 13, 15, 8 deaths [45]
on 30/12/20 there are 23, 25, 20, 20 deaths [88]
no updates by Sweden over New Years
on 05/01/21 there are 39, 35, 27, 38 deaths [139]
on 07/01/2021 there are 45, 42, 38, 49 deaths [174]
Official Covid deaths in Sweden:
For 25th, 26th, 27th, and 28th December:
on 29/12/20 these are: 9, 13, 15, 8 deaths [45]
on 30/12/20 there are 23, 25, 20, 20 deaths [88]
no updates by Sweden over New Years
on 05/01/21 there are 39, 35, 27, 38 deaths [139]
on 07/01/2021 there are 45, 42, 38, 49 deaths [174]
on 08/01/2021 there are 59, 58, 58, 64 deaths [239]
oh, and the 17th December is currently at 114 deaths, which is 1 less than the (joint) peak in 8 & 15th April!
Official Covid deaths in Sweden:
For 25th, 26th, 27th, and 28th December:
on 29/12/20 these are: 9, 13, 15, 8 deaths [45]
on 30/12/20 there are 23, 25, 20, 20 deaths [88]
no updates by Sweden over New Years
on 05/01/21 there are 39, 35, 27, 38 deaths [139]
on 07/01/2021 there are 45, 42, 38, 49 deaths [174]
on 08/01/2021 there are 59, 58, 58, 64 deaths [239]
on 12/01/2021 there are 68, 62, 66, 79 deaths [275]
..and 17 Dec, with 116 deaths, has exceeded the April peak. :-(
Official Covid deaths in Sweden:
For 25th, 26th, 27th, and 28th December:
on 29/12/20 these are: 9, 13, 15, 8 deaths [45]
on 30/12/20 there are 23, 25, 20, 20 deaths [88]
no updates by Sweden over New Years
on 05/01/21 there are 39, 35, 27, 38 deaths [139]
on 07/01/2021 there are 45, 42, 38, 49 deaths [174]
on 08/01/2021 there are 59, 58, 58, 64 deaths [239]
on 12/01/2021 there are 68, 62, 66, 79 deaths [275]
on 13/01/2021 there are 77, 69, 73, 89 deaths [308]
Official Covid deaths in Sweden:
For 25th, 26th, 27th, and 28th December:
on 29/12/20 these are: 9, 13, 15, 8 deaths [45]
on 30/12/20 there are 23, 25, 20, 20 deaths [88]
no updates by Sweden over New Years
on 05/01/21 there are 39, 35, 27, 38 deaths [139]
on 07/01/2021 there are 45, 42, 38, 49 deaths [174]
on 08/01/2021 there are 59, 58, 58, 64 deaths [239]
on 12/01/2021 there are 68, 62, 66, 79 deaths [275]
on 13/01/2021 there are 77, 69, 73, 89 deaths [308]
on 14/01/2021 there are 101, 92, 88, 110 deaths [391]
Official Covid deaths in Sweden:
For 25th, 26th, 27th, and 28th December:
on 29/12/20 these are: 9, 13, 15, 8 deaths [45]
on 30/12/20 there are 23, 25, 20, 20 deaths [88]
no updates by Sweden over New Years
on 05/01/21 there are 39, 35, 27, 38 deaths [139]
on 07/01/2021 there are 45, 42, 38, 49 deaths [174]
on 08/01/2021 there are 59, 58, 58, 64 deaths [239]
on 12/01/2021 there are 68, 62, 66, 79 deaths [275]
on 13/01/2021 there are 77, 69, 73, 89 deaths [308]
on 14/01/2021 there are 101, 92, 88, 110 deaths [391]
on 15/01/2021 there are 102, 92, 94, 116 deaths [404]
Official Covid deaths in Sweden:
For 25th, 26th, 27th, and 28th December:
on 29/12/20 these are: 9, 13, 15, 8 deaths [45]
on 30/12/20 there are 23, 25, 20, 20 deaths [88]
no updates by Sweden over New Years
on 05/01/21 there are 39, 35, 27, 38 deaths [139]
on 07/01/2021 there are 45, 42, 38, 49 deaths [174]
on 08/01/2021 there are 59, 58, 58, 64 deaths [239]
on 12/01/2021 there are 68, 62, 66, 79 deaths [275]
on 13/01/2021 there are 77, 69, 73, 89 deaths [308]
on 14/01/2021 there are 101, 92, 88, 110 deaths [391]
on 15/01/2021 there are 102, 92, 94, 116 deaths [404]
on 19/01/2021 there are 105, 92, 96, 120 deaths [413]
118 on 17th Dec, and 120 on 28th Dec are both higher than the first wave peak in April
Official Covid deaths in Sweden:
For 25th, 26th, 27th, and 28th December:
on 29/12/20 these are: 9, 13, 15, 8 deaths [45]
on 30/12/20 there are 23, 25, 20, 20 deaths [88]
no updates by Sweden over New Years
on 05/01/21 there are 39, 35, 27, 38 deaths [139]
on 07/01/2021 there are 45, 42, 38, 49 deaths [174]
on 08/01/2021 there are 59, 58, 58, 64 deaths [239]
on 12/01/2021 there are 68, 62, 66, 79 deaths [275]
on 13/01/2021 there are 77, 69, 73, 89 deaths [308]
on 14/01/2021 there are 101, 92, 88, 110 deaths [391]
on 15/01/2021 there are 102, 92, 94, 116 deaths [404]
on 19/01/2021 there are 105, 92, 96, 120 deaths [413]
on 20/01/2021 there are 107, 92, 96, 122 deaths [417]
on 21/01/2021 there are 106, 92, 97, 121 deaths [416]
You were radically sure that masks didn’t work and the fact that there was no imposition on mask wearing contributed greatly, if not wholly to Swedens sensational performance against covid.
Now the numbers are increasing. Fairly aggressively at that. What would your all seeing eye put that down to? Other than your take on delayed reporting. Why aren’t the lack of masks keeping the covid at bay anymore like it was previously? I spoke about how at the time, despite Swedens overall lower numbers, Stockholm was seeing increases in its more densely populated area and you thought I was talking pony.. Now the cases are stacking up and they’re looking to take measures that exceed those taken by other European countries. Which is weird because when we spoke, Sweden knew what they were doing and the doctors knew their stuff and our actions were incorrect as were the rest of europe.. Yet here we are.. It’s almost as if.. You were wrong.