116 thoughts on “Monday’s Papers

          1. bisted

            …I think doing something and planning to do is what seems to be the problem though…weren’t blighty planning to do the devil and all when it came to tests as well?

      1. Charger Salmons

        Under the HSE plans for nursing homes vaccination teams will not be working weekends.
        Mon-Fri 9-5 only.
        All 70,000 residents of nursing homes won’t be vaccinated completely until the end of February.
        This is woeful.

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          1. bisted

            …the nursing homes all have nursing staff well able to administer inoculations…all they have to do is supply the vaccine and all residents/staff could be vaccinated in a few hours…someone is seriously grandstanding here…

        1. Micko

          Every time politicians in this country talk about the vaccine they seem to be kicking it down the road more and more.

          The UK seems to be playing a blinder in fairness. Good for them.

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    1. Micko

      Well there was less cases yesterday.

      Is it because the testers are off for Christmas or because people aren’t presenting to hospital?

      Either way it’s not a good sign for a highly deadly disease.

      “Ah jeases Mary…I’m coughing me lungs up… but sure, I want to eat another 14 mince pies before I go into hospital. Is there anymore Turkey going?”

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  1. GiggidyGoo

    Alan Kelly resorts to the usual method of gaining Labour dail seats – looking for a merger with another party, but keeping the Labour name. The last Labour merger was a takeover (of Labour, but leaving them the name).

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    1. Brother Barnabas

      preposterous notion that the SD would have any interest in being subsumed by a toxic political brand. like why?

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      1. Brother Barnabas

        and brave (or stupid) of him to question the left credentials of the Greens… lots of people would say the same about Labour

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        1. V AKA Frilly Keane

          An all island SDLP is the strongest option for Labour and the Soc Dems
          And that wide reach could pick up the stray Indos throughout the island

          RBB runs a tight ship around himself and doesn’t need the comfort of a party taking care of the overhead
          Unless he’s the leader – I can see him thriving were he is

          The other lad, PM, will just flit around Molesworth Street announcing new names for his party
          Until he loses his seat or retires

          In fairness
          If there is to be an all Island SDLP – RBB as leader or there abouts would be monumental
          And a serious membership driver
          A great opportunity tbh

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          1. bisted

            …step away from the sherry trifle there V…the SDLP…are you serious…and RBB in the same sentence…the SDLP are the remnants of the old Nationalist party in the north, also known as the green tories…they have been wooed by FG and the FFers over the years, providing most famously Mary McAleese…they are a spent force, broken and embittered like Seamus Mallon…good riddance…

          2. V AKA Frilly Keane

            I am actually

            The only way to take on the Big Party Whip/ Government
            The likes of FG & SF – (’cause let’s be honest, whatever is going to be left of the eFFers will tog out with either of those two bunches)

            Is with another Big Party/ organised opposition / organised election pact

            If RBB is really serious about all his talk
            Particularly his approach to housing, which is exactly where I am btw.
            He knows he needs the big party / grand coalition / platform
            And if he really actually does want to see it through
            Rather than just talk and write and post videos about housing (and that’s just one significant social issue)
            He’ll think less about historical and dated party lines, and become a Political Auteur (of sorts)

            You and I know, RBB, is capable of leading a National Political Party of change and unity
            Of Cooperation – where all walks of life are equal

            Because one thing for sure is that’s never going to be Fine Gael
            And unless Mary Lou can attract another 50 or so Martin Kenny’s into Sinn Fein before the next run at it (or whether she’d be allowed (⌐■-■))
            It won’t be happening

            I can’t see anyone else in the current Dáil or Assembly that could come close to what he could achieve with a National Big Party set up

            You know sometimes you just have to get on with it and work with what’s in front of you

            Maybe not from the ashes of SDLP
            But it’s not the worse place to start

          3. bisted

            …sorry V but I totally disagree…you could think of nowhere worse to start than the SDLP…PbP have had some electoral success in the North before and Eamonn McCann who won under the PbP banner has been a lifelong socialist but would never have any affinity with the SDLP…I think we do agree that there are two SFs but enough to form the backbone of leftwing alternative to FFG…

          4. SOQ

            SDLP are a spent force- mainly because they became too comfortable in their income streams- a bit like most of the ‘left wing’ CoVid-19 commentariat on Broadsheet ?

            Not that SF are any better mind- their Newry and Mourne District Council Planning enforcement record is an absolute disgrace.

      2. Cú Chulainn

        I know.. like really.. the SD’s are the old Labour Party, left wing with a social conscious.. the Greens and Labour should hook up.. red and green together.. they both want water charges and are about as left wing as Genghis.. imagine choosing between Kelly and Ryan for leader.. it would be funny if it wasn’t tragic..

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    1. Cú Chulainn

      Unlikely.. those psycho gulls will listen to no one.. they have a mind of their own.. unlike poor auld Shane, who misplaced his..

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    1. Brother Barnabas

      yeah, who could possibly have imagined that social distancing, handwashing, closure of indoor public spaces, heightened awareness of respiratory hygiene etc would also curtail the spread of the flu?

      utterly weird

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      1. GiggidyGoo

        Weird alright – especially as on 16th December there were 300+ on trollies waiting for hospital beds, and not one flu-related.

        (yet the corona spread with the same social distancing, hand washing etc.)

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        1. Brother Barnabas

          wow, giggz, now we’re getting into some mind-blowing areas… are you suggesting that Covid19 might be more infectious than the flu? and that it also might have a higher rate of hospitalization?

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          1. Brother Barnabas

            im saying that it’s not at all weird that covid19 spread at a time when the flu hasn’t

            in fact, for all the reasons above, it’s entirely logical and to be expected

            and I’m suggesting, too, that your insinuation that it’s somehow illogical or unbelievable is just another aspect of the inane and disingenuous line you’ve been spinning here of late

          2. GiggidyGoo

            What you’re saying is that there are two viruses which are spread by the same means, and the evasive actions used to deal with one (Covid) solves the problem (eliminates) the other (flu), but doesn’t stop the one they were created for? Is that it?

          1. Cian

            this week 2019/2020: total flu tested: 8,010
            this week 2020/20201 total tested: 1,796

            2020
            https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/influenza/seasonalinfluenza/surveillance/influenzasurveillancereports/20202021season/Influenza_Surveillance_Report_Week%20512020_Finalv1.0_22122020.pdf

            2019
            https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/influenza/seasonalinfluenza/surveillance/influenzasurveillancereports/previousinfluenzaseasonssurveillancereports/20192020season/Influenza%20Surveillance%20Report,%20Week%2051%20&%2052,%202019.pdf

          2. GiggidyGoo

            Interesting documents. A few debates could come out of them.

            On the less flu testing – as there’s no information available, and as the Covid testing has taken priority, it would be safe to say that there was no testing (= no cases) for flu.

    2. Micko

      Ah, good ol influenza. Been around literally for millennia. Hippocrates apparently described it over 2000 years ago

      But yep, a single winter of a bit of more hand washing and everyone very loosely following rules on hygiene has completely eradicated it.

      Yeah sure…

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      1. alickdouglas

        Micko–I agree with your points below about it being impossible to relate the disappearance of something to a single factor. However, the evidence for influenza, or any other virus, being around for thousands of years is extremely thin/non-existant. There are vanishingly few viruses that have been found in egyptian mummies: only HPV I think. The causes of the Antonine Plague, and the predecessor plagues in Greece remain debated, and those arguments are almost entirely devoid of data.Rather medical historians refer to the descriptions given by ancient chroniclers and try to match the symptoms to modern pathogens. The fact is that viruses do extremely peculiar things, which epidemiologists and pathologists stuggle to explain. The apparently sudden emergence of polio at the end of the 19th century is one example–that has been related to the improvement in sanitation, but it’s hard to pin it to an actual mechanism. Our in depth study of viruses really started only in the 1930s. We can stretch a bit with frozen bodies in the permafrost of Alaska permitting some work to be done on the 1918 pandemic virus, but there is no viral material available to us older than that, making it extremely hazardous to carry out historical epidemiology. Beyond that, it’s educated guesswork. Finally getting to my point, people who tell you that we have characterised viral pathogenisis sufficiently are having us on. And I’m extremely wary of anyone who compares influenza viruses to coronaviruses.

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        1. SOQ

          What we have is nothing to do with virology alickdouglas- it is a template from communism imposed on democracy and championed by the so called “free media”.

          Capitalism is more suited to communism than democracy- you cannot have a ‘pandemic’ without extra fatalities.

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          1. benblack

            Also, testing – or completed tests – seem to increase before every government announcement. Look at the data on the government’s Covid site. On average 80,000 completed tests per week. That increases to 110,000 per week for the two weeks preceding a new government announcement – which is always further restrictions.

            It’s so simple to manipulate.

            “Lies, damned lies, and statistics”

            https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/epidemiologyofcovid-19inirelandweeklyreports/

            More completed tests = more positive cases.

          2. benblack

            Also, testing – or completed tests – seem to increase before every government announcement. Look at the data on the government’s Covid site. On average 80,000 completed tests per week. That increases to 110,000 per week for the two weeks preceding a new government announcement – which is always further restrictions.

            It’s so simple to manipulate.

            “Lies, damned lies, and statistics”

            https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/epidemiologyofcovid-19inirelandweeklyreports/

            More completed tests = more positive cases.

          3. alickdouglas

            >‘it is a template from communism’
            >Public health measures are communism.

            Not just in the spirit of Christmas, not trying to pick a fight, but I totally disagree: Social health insurance is the epitome of public health, if you follow the British teaching of public health, but there are different models for it. The dawn of Public Health as a state-sponsored activity was Bismarck’s health insurance. Last time I checked Bismarck wasn’t no communist. Revisionists like to portray the health policies of National Socialists (no meat, no smoking) as why public health is bad.

            When Clement Atlee and his friends were making the NHS they certainly were not aiming at being communists, nor National Socialists. They designed the NHS specifically to be a Very British Institution, which for much of its life has managed to drive public health. without being communist.

            It is possible to design public health into the capitalist system, but the modern English speaking politicians seem to be unable to cope with it.

            Not having a go at you lot, but certainly having a go with public health governance in English speaking countries.

            I must arise and watch telly now! Wish you all a fulfilling last week of 2020.

          4. SOQ

            I was referring to the strategy of locking down healthy people alickdouglas- it is inherently undemocratic and a social experiment never attempted before.

            To do so on such questionable data as PCR results is straight out of the communist playbook.

        2. Micko

          Well Alick, that’s fair enough and thanks for that info. V interesting.

          But glad you agree with my real point – we have no real clue right now why the flu has disappeared and to attribute it to a single factor is wrong.

          Happy Christmas btw ;)

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  2. Tommy Bohan

    So the best the “Irish” Daily Mail can do for a picture on their front page is an English WAG and her children! How terribly English! Charger Salmons will be very proud!

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    1. Charger Salmons

      If I was Irish I’d be more interested in the Irish Daily Mail lead story about Ireland not getting the Oxford University/AstraZeneca jab until the end of January and wanting to know why.
      Presumably reading it is beyond your comprehension which is why you’re getting all hot and bothered about Wayne Rooney’s missus.

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          1. Charlie

            Einstein. Most have been living there many years long before it begun turning to poo. They’re stuck. Only a few desperate eejits move there nowadays and let’s not mention the many now wanting out.

  3. johnny

    oh no.

    the ineptitude and incompetence is staggering.

    “We write to you now because you have positioned yourself as a prominent leader of the ongoing misinformation campaign by pretending to have some sort of ‘insider’s knowledge’ regarding Dominion’s business activities, when in reality you were hired through a staffing agency for one day to clean glass on machines and complete other menial tasks,” the letter stated.”

    https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/dominion-attorneys-send-brutal-letter-to-trump-campaigns-so-called-star-witness-mellissa-carone/

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  4. GiggidyGoo

    Really? You try make some point about handwashing etc. being responsible for the flu virus not spreading, yet the Covid is spreading in spite of those actions. Pot kettle black

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    1. Brother Barnabas

      jesus christ, giggz… I’ll try again:

      1. because Covid is more infectious than the flu

      2. because Covid is more likely to result in hospitalisation than the flu

      3. handwashing etc reduces the spread of Covid19, it doesnt eradicate it – nobody ever said it would

      the flu is still around – but because of the measures in place, it’s not spreading as much as it traditionally does, hence the decline in flu-related hospitalisations

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      1. Micko

        “ the flu is still around”

        Emmm… not according to this article. There’s been zero cases since October.

        https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.thejournal.ie/winter-flu-cases-ireland-2020-5296226-Dec2020/%3famp=1

        And besides, are we thinking in a super paranoid time like this, that if someone gets flu symptoms, they are not gonna get their butts into hospital ASAP in case it’s Covid.

        Of course they would. And they would be diagnosed with flu.

        Which hasn’t happened… at all. For the first time – ever.

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        1. Brother Barnabas

          I think there’s a decent understanding among the public as to how the symptoms differ

          and I dont think anyone is going to rush themselves into hospital unless theres a severe breathing issue, which isnt a flu symptom

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          1. Micko

            Over 2.3 million Covid tests carried out in Ireland already this year.

            People are getting tested if they have a sniffle never mind flu symptoms

          2. Micko

            Not sure what you mean there Millie.

            My point is how can a disease like the flu that been around literally millennia, suddenly disappear for the first time ever.

            The proposed solution to it – that that people are going around badly following hygiene rules and this has led to its complete eradication seems very unlikely.

          3. Micko

            Well of course I can’t. No one can

            I suspect that the solution is (as with most things) a combination of lots of grey areas. Such as:

            1) Social distancing and hygiene.
            2) A lack of willingness to attend hospital due to fear of Covid.
            3) Issues with the PCR tests diagnosing flu as Covid.
            4) People attending for a Covid test and when they don’t get a positive result they don’t follow it up and just deal with the flu at home.
            5) Untested deaths from the flu in nursing homes being attributed to Covid (260 Covid deaths are probable or possible at the moment- no test)

            And more factors probably

            My point is, that to attribute the disappearance of the flu due to a single factor does not make sense.

            Lots of factors at play here

          4. ReproBertie

            On your point 3:

            Scientists say the [PCR] swab tests are specially designed to detect SARS-CoV-2, the virus responsible for COVID-19.

            These tests, which work by detecting the genetic material of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, are “very specific, said Dr Rob Shorten, Chair of Microbiology Committee, Association for Clinical Biochemistry & Laboratory Medicine.

            “The specific nature of these sequences means that someone with flu or a common cold virus is highly unlikely to test positive for COVID-19,” he told Reuters.

            “The Covid PCR test has pretty good specificity and sensitivity so it’s not that much of a problem. The test is more likely to throw a false negative than it is a false positive,” Dr Joshua Moon, research fellow in the Science Policy Research Unit at the University of Sussex Business School, said.

            https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-swab-idUSKBN26R3DH

          5. Nigel

            ‘Well of course I can’t.’

            Why would you? You’re not an expert in this area.

            ‘No one can.’

            I would put money on this not being true.

          6. Micko

            He says it’s “ highly unlikely to test positive”

            But not impossible Bertie

            There’s lots of factors at play here and I’m not attributing individual figures to any of the factors I’ve mentioned, some obviously have reduced transmission and cases of the flu more than others.

            But once again – attributing the eradication of flu – an infectious virus that has been with humans for millennia, to one contributing factor (ie good hygiene) is ridiculous.

            Particularly when a similarly transmitted disease is running rampant with the same hygiene procedures in place.

            That is all I am saying.

          7. Micko

            I’d take that bet Nigel

            We’re smart, but no one can truly know all the contributing factors in the progression of a virus.

            If anything, the last nine months has taught us all that at least.

          8. ReproBertie

            And all the scientists quoted in that article are saying is that they are happy the PCR tests won’t be misdiagnosing flu as Covid.

          9. Nigel

            Yeah, science does tend to fall apart completely when there is more than one contributing factor at play. In fact without you to point out to experts that there might be more than one contributing factor, it’d probably never have occurred to them.

          10. Micko

            Cool Bertie. But not impossible.

            If we agree that ALL medical tests have a certain degree of False positives and false negatives

          11. ReproBertie

            Scientists know better than to speak in the definitive when there is always a chance, however minuscule. If they say they are happy that it’s highly unlikely then we can be confident that PCR tests are not misdiagnosing flu as Covid.

          12. Micko

            Nigel, when those contributing factors are immeasurable or have not been measured – of course they cannot be taken into account.

            Anyway, going around in circles here. Just agree to disagree.

          13. SOQ

            Brother Barnabas- already had CoVid-19 apparently- yet will rush out to have every needle available stuck into his ass.

            Go ahead botoxed face- come back to us after next viral season eh?

  5. V AKA Frilly Keane

    The arrogance of RTÉ and Sean O’Rourke

    Still no Accounts for YE 2019
    And there they are promo’ing another 6 figure payroll
    Yet we don’t even know if they can afford it

    I stand by my original views here
    That RTÉ / the External Auditors are awaiting a heavy weighted dig out before the Accounts can be signed off

    According to NWL who is a great source on such matters
    It would appear they just have got their life rafts
    Us.
    Annual household charge €160. Whether you’ve a telly or not. Or use RTÉ or not
    https://twitter.com/nwl88444048/status/1343137322464915456?s=19

    But it’s beyond obnoxious – this is like rubbing our noses in their own bulls-motions, before making us lick it up and keep everything clean for them
    To be even considering another old Lovvie Political hack rehire

    Just imagine this lads

    We will be paying Sean O’Rourke’s superannuation pension + his new contract top up
    To do exactly the same job he was doing for the last 20 odd years that RTÉ was running amok, serving themselves inc O’Rourke et all,
    Hardly the activities of an organisation that has any intention of changing its ways

    At least the FAI made a better stab at it

    Shameful
    If this rehire gets signed off without a good fight
    From the opposition at the very least
    Let me tell ye Nothing is going to change in this country
    And RTÉ will get to carry on as they’ve always done
    Serving themselves and themselves only.

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    1. MacGafraidh

      That’s interesting, I’d love to hear what @soq has to say about that. The absolute nonsense being spouted about how great Sweden and its anti Mask, anti regulation type system has done to keep their numbers low etc. Etc. What an interesting turn of events.

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      1. SOQ

        Sweden had a rise in fatalities in November which has been consistently falling during the month of December- slightly above the average for that time of year but nowhere near some other countries.

        Their response has always been proportionate to the threat- so what is your point?

        https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/

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        1. millie bobby brownie

          “Their response has always been proportionate to the threat.”

          In your opinion. I’d say there’s a good number of people who disagree with that.

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          1. Cian

            For 25th, 26th, 27th, and 28th December:
            on 29/12/20 these are: 9, 13, 15, 8 deaths
            on 30/12/20 there are 23, 25, 20, 20 deaths

          2. Cian

            Official Covid deaths in Sweden:

            For 25th, 26th, 27th, and 28th December:
            on 29/12/20 these are: 9, 13, 15, 8 deaths [45]
            on 30/12/20 there are 23, 25, 20, 20 deaths [88]

            no updates by Sweden until suddenly
            on 05/01/21 there are 39, 35, 27, 38 deaths [139]

          3. Cian

            Official Covid deaths in Sweden:

            For 25th, 26th, 27th, and 28th December:
            on 29/12/20 these are: 9, 13, 15, 8 deaths [45]
            on 30/12/20 there are 23, 25, 20, 20 deaths [88]

            no updates by Sweden over New Years

            on 05/01/21 there are 39, 35, 27, 38 deaths [139]
            on 07/01/2021 there are 45, 42, 38, 49 deaths [174]

          4. Cian

            Official Covid deaths in Sweden:

            For 25th, 26th, 27th, and 28th December:
            on 29/12/20 these are: 9, 13, 15, 8 deaths [45]
            on 30/12/20 there are 23, 25, 20, 20 deaths [88]

            no updates by Sweden over New Years

            on 05/01/21 there are 39, 35, 27, 38 deaths [139]
            on 07/01/2021 there are 45, 42, 38, 49 deaths [174]
            on 08/01/2021 there are 59, 58, 58, 64 deaths [239]

            oh, and the 17th December is currently at 114 deaths, which is 1 less than the (joint) peak in 8 & 15th April!

          5. Cian

            Official Covid deaths in Sweden:

            For 25th, 26th, 27th, and 28th December:
            on 29/12/20 these are: 9, 13, 15, 8 deaths [45]
            on 30/12/20 there are 23, 25, 20, 20 deaths [88]

            no updates by Sweden over New Years

            on 05/01/21 there are 39, 35, 27, 38 deaths [139]
            on 07/01/2021 there are 45, 42, 38, 49 deaths [174]
            on 08/01/2021 there are 59, 58, 58, 64 deaths [239]
            on 12/01/2021 there are 68, 62, 66, 79 deaths [275]

            ..and 17 Dec, with 116 deaths, has exceeded the April peak. :-(

          6. Cian

            Official Covid deaths in Sweden:

            For 25th, 26th, 27th, and 28th December:
            on 29/12/20 these are: 9, 13, 15, 8 deaths [45]
            on 30/12/20 there are 23, 25, 20, 20 deaths [88]

            no updates by Sweden over New Years

            on 05/01/21 there are 39, 35, 27, 38 deaths [139]
            on 07/01/2021 there are 45, 42, 38, 49 deaths [174]
            on 08/01/2021 there are 59, 58, 58, 64 deaths [239]
            on 12/01/2021 there are 68, 62, 66, 79 deaths [275]
            on 13/01/2021 there are 77, 69, 73, 89 deaths [308]

          7. Cian

            Official Covid deaths in Sweden:

            For 25th, 26th, 27th, and 28th December:
            on 29/12/20 these are: 9, 13, 15, 8 deaths [45]
            on 30/12/20 there are 23, 25, 20, 20 deaths [88]

            no updates by Sweden over New Years

            on 05/01/21 there are 39, 35, 27, 38 deaths [139]
            on 07/01/2021 there are 45, 42, 38, 49 deaths [174]
            on 08/01/2021 there are 59, 58, 58, 64 deaths [239]
            on 12/01/2021 there are 68, 62, 66, 79 deaths [275]
            on 13/01/2021 there are 77, 69, 73, 89 deaths [308]
            on 14/01/2021 there are 101, 92, 88, 110 deaths [391]

          8. Cian

            Official Covid deaths in Sweden:

            For 25th, 26th, 27th, and 28th December:
            on 29/12/20 these are: 9, 13, 15, 8 deaths [45]
            on 30/12/20 there are 23, 25, 20, 20 deaths [88]

            no updates by Sweden over New Years

            on 05/01/21 there are 39, 35, 27, 38 deaths [139]
            on 07/01/2021 there are 45, 42, 38, 49 deaths [174]
            on 08/01/2021 there are 59, 58, 58, 64 deaths [239]
            on 12/01/2021 there are 68, 62, 66, 79 deaths [275]
            on 13/01/2021 there are 77, 69, 73, 89 deaths [308]
            on 14/01/2021 there are 101, 92, 88, 110 deaths [391]
            on 15/01/2021 there are 102, 92, 94, 116 deaths [404]

          9. Cian

            Official Covid deaths in Sweden:

            For 25th, 26th, 27th, and 28th December:
            on 29/12/20 these are: 9, 13, 15, 8 deaths [45]
            on 30/12/20 there are 23, 25, 20, 20 deaths [88]

            no updates by Sweden over New Years

            on 05/01/21 there are 39, 35, 27, 38 deaths [139]
            on 07/01/2021 there are 45, 42, 38, 49 deaths [174]
            on 08/01/2021 there are 59, 58, 58, 64 deaths [239]
            on 12/01/2021 there are 68, 62, 66, 79 deaths [275]
            on 13/01/2021 there are 77, 69, 73, 89 deaths [308]
            on 14/01/2021 there are 101, 92, 88, 110 deaths [391]
            on 15/01/2021 there are 102, 92, 94, 116 deaths [404]
            on 19/01/2021 there are 105, 92, 96, 120 deaths [413]

            118 on 17th Dec, and 120 on 28th Dec are both higher than the first wave peak in April

          10. Cian

            Official Covid deaths in Sweden:

            For 25th, 26th, 27th, and 28th December:
            on 29/12/20 these are: 9, 13, 15, 8 deaths [45]
            on 30/12/20 there are 23, 25, 20, 20 deaths [88]

            no updates by Sweden over New Years

            on 05/01/21 there are 39, 35, 27, 38 deaths [139]
            on 07/01/2021 there are 45, 42, 38, 49 deaths [174]
            on 08/01/2021 there are 59, 58, 58, 64 deaths [239]
            on 12/01/2021 there are 68, 62, 66, 79 deaths [275]
            on 13/01/2021 there are 77, 69, 73, 89 deaths [308]
            on 14/01/2021 there are 101, 92, 88, 110 deaths [391]
            on 15/01/2021 there are 102, 92, 94, 116 deaths [404]
            on 19/01/2021 there are 105, 92, 96, 120 deaths [413]
            on 20/01/2021 there are 107, 92, 96, 122 deaths [417]

        2. MacGafraidh

          You were radically sure that masks didn’t work and the fact that there was no imposition on mask wearing contributed greatly, if not wholly to Swedens sensational performance against covid.

          Now the numbers are increasing. Fairly aggressively at that. What would your all seeing eye put that down to? Other than your take on delayed reporting. Why aren’t the lack of masks keeping the covid at bay anymore like it was previously? I spoke about how at the time, despite Swedens overall lower numbers, Stockholm was seeing increases in its more densely populated area and you thought I was talking pony.. Now the cases are stacking up and they’re looking to take measures that exceed those taken by other European countries. Which is weird because when we spoke, Sweden knew what they were doing and the doctors knew their stuff and our actions were incorrect as were the rest of europe.. Yet here we are.. It’s almost as if.. You were wrong.

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