Tuesday’s Papers


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Tomorrow Tonight.

A new lockdown series.

Broadsheet columnist Derek Mooney looks at tomorrow’s papers.

You give us 20 minutes, we’ll give you tomorrow. Tonight.

Earlier: Derek Mooney: Both Fronts In The Covid-19 War

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98 thoughts on “Tuesday’s Papers

  1. Lilly

    Beautiful documentary on Marian Finucane, RTE1 tonight, narrated by the Beckettian John Clarke. Love is the shared secret hatred of turnips.

    1. Charger Salmons

      I’m sure she was a nice woman but her radio show was rubbish considering she was one RTE’s highest-paid performers.
      Money for old rope dialled in most weekends.
      A female Gerry Ryan.

        1. Ghost of Yep

          That article is nearly 2 years old….how much was the final cost of the hospital back then?

          1. ( ̄_, ̄ ) AKA Frilly Keane

            I don’t have to back it up Cian

            I have actually seen how payroll works in a Hospital + Super Ann
            and what it costs, and what it is going to cost for the next two generations to die + their spouses
            I have actually seen how HR works and functions in a Hospital
            I actually know what Nursing actually means, does and contributes in a Hospital
            I actually know the Pay -Non Pay IMR process
            Plus the DashBoard
            plus the Case Mix and how to get more in the allocation next year by posting such n’ such a treatment as this such n’ such a treatment, and have it taken from another hospital in the group
            I also know how a simple procedure can end up costing the Irish taxpayer up to 12 times more than in a private setting
            I actually know what happens at Hospital Executive meetings
            I actually know what happens at Hospital Board meetings
            I actually know what happens at Hospital Consultants meetings
            I actually know what happens at Hospital Project Meetings
            I actually know how much it costs to get a fire escape added on, that nobody can access anyway
            I actually know how it takes 2 weekend days for two maintenance staff to drill a hole to take a network cable in an off site office
            Or to change light bulbs

            I actually know what gets posted into the Non Pay “Sundry Expenses” oopps
            I actually know the real cost of absentees, rostering sick leave,
            I actually know what the “medical costs” account is for
            I actually know what “the Friends of ….” actually do and get

            I actually know the real cost of running a hospital
            I have actually seen how Hospitals are run, financed, and how costs actually get reported back to the HSE

            I am your back up Cian
            And I am telling you it will cost the Irish Taxpayer 1 b pa to run that hospital
            Because it will NEVER be at anything over 60 % capacity or at 70% of full complement
            AND SWEET FA In private health insurance

            Ohh Ohh

          2. Rob_G

            what a long-winded way of saying: “no, I can’t back it it up as such; am just speculating”

          3. ( ̄_, ̄ ) AKA Frilly Keane

            Ah look
            Ye buddied up

            isn’t that dotey
            Like the Kerry Twin Towers that time – but in-between gowling and fowling they did get some decent scores off the back lines

            anyway, shoulder to shoulder now boys

            there is no back up because nobody knows – not even the Project Teams or the Contractors or the intended CEO/ Managers
            Nobody knows

            But let me tell ye that that hospital is going to come in well over 3 billion, I’m going to actually tip it over the 4 bill
            and that’s just the building, add the James’ top up, the making good the site access and surroundings, and the residents etc for the disruption and discomfort
            We all know the site was working beyond its permitted agreement with DCC
            those fines and settlements aren’t going to be like getting an on the spot

            And will end up with a facility that never be at full capacity or at full staffing
            And it is a facility had will be 99% occupied by Medical Card holders
            Unless they can sell procedures to foreign patients
            but to do that they will need at least 10 years of expertise building in whatever discipline ie. heart transplants in preemies

            hey ye never know
            ye might just have to find me to tell me I’m wrong in about —say ten years
            and I’m sure Broadsheet will still be harbouring a few who’ll only be happy to join in and put the boot in
            I’m sure they’ll be plenty about happy to organise it

            That land swap plan (Our Ladys in Crumlin with DCC’s Teresas Gardens doesn’t seem so silly now. But a least we know why Lisney’s had a director on the board then)

          4. Cian

            yes, the build costs are too high.

            But none of that addresses why it will cost “+1 p.a. to run”
            It will continue to offer a similar range of services that the existing 3 hospitals do. It will have the same “99% medical card holder” clientele. It will have similar occupancy levels (unless the number of children decreases significantly). It will have similar staffing and pension levels.

          5. V aka Frilly Keane

            We’ll see

            And I’m sure you’ll have no shortage of help around here reminding me I’m wrong when it comes to it

            Why don’t you compare the cost of cardiac surgery in an adult facility
            A pediatric


            And wait’ll you see ICU costs

        2. goldenbrown

          lol Cian

          promote it up all you like but that place is an FFG supermassive black hole economic disaster whatever way you look at it

          the numbers are SO bad you’ll never ever “normalize” it so please…for all our sakes stop trying to because it just makes you just look silly

    1. GiggidyGoo

      They are going to ‘monitor with interest’ the case in the UK. Instead, they could be looking at different materials, but that’s more than their jobs worth probably. And it would probably add another billion in penalties etc. from BAM

  2. Charger Salmons

    Sky reporter to truck driver at Dover:
    ‘More paperwork & confusion?’
    Truck Driver: No, no different to normal actually.’
    *awkward pause*
    Sky reporter: ‘This could be the calm before the storm!!’


        1. GiggidyGoo

          No need. You have no Zinc deficiency.
          There are many zinc-dependent enzymes in our body and deficiency has been linked with immune dysfunction. Zinc-rich foods include beans, seeds, nuts, meat, poultry and seafood.

    1. Charger Salmons

      Here’s a few more questions the Irish media should be asking, courtesy of Bild.
      Health ministers in EU’s pharma powers Germany, France, Italy & Netherlands joined forces to obtain vaccines for the bloc but their leaders forced them to abdicate responsibility to the Commission, which then failed to get enough doses.
      The EU, population 450m, is now stuck with only 200m BioNTech-Pfizer and 80m Moderna jabs until the autumn (at best).
      On November 11, when it was clear the Pfizer vaccine was the market leader, the EU ordered 200m doses, with an option for another 100m.
      On November 17 the EU ordered 400m doses of a vaccine from CureVac, a German company that hadn’t even started phase 3 trials. Why?

    1. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

      Da used to get his poitin sent down in holy Mary statue bottles, you know the one the head comes off , I think they usually have holy water in ?

      1. goldenbrown

        I have vague recollections of exciting border trips to Newry and Inniskeen with my da 3 or 4 times a year

        the bottles of the “schtuff” plus tyres, kitchen electricals, tellys….

        the tellys had to be brought in to a telly repair shop in Drumcondra to have something done to them so they would work down here (or at least that’s what I was told, lol)

        the holy mary plastic statuette bottles, the screw on cap was her blue halo/crown yoke if I remember correctly? as for quality control it was VERY important to know the right source or you could go blind, apparently :)

        1. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

          yep ethanol the by product can make you blind, it can also send you into a three day comma, the real origin of the Irish wake according to some sources

          1. goldenbrown

            I was told their particular version of the good schtuff involved orange peels in the process…though I suspect there was a lot of deliberate use of mystique and fable where poitin was concerned…there’s plenty of recipes out there and they don’t look terribly difficult to execute to me

            poitin wouldn’t be my cup of tea really anyway, too harsh

  3. White Dove

    Loving the video segment at the end. Well done, John and Derek. Really enjoyable and informative.

  4. f_lawless

    Dr Michael Yeadon, a former vice president and scientific director at Pfizer, takes a look at the data for current test positivity rates in Britain (which have apparently risen sharply in a near uniform manner across the board):

    ‘I have never in almost 40 years of looking at complex biological data seen anything less natural than this. Thus, the entire data series is suspect’


    Strong indication that something similar is happening here. New cases decoupled from fatalities long ago. There’s no correlation. No excess deaths

    1. dav

      Ah, the great conspiracy has been revealed! The TRUTH has been uncovered! And they would have gotten away with it if it wasn’t for that pesky……

      1. Brother Barnabas


        f_lawless has only once from what I’ve seen here let the mask slip and cite the Great Reset – so that’s it in all its barmy, loo-lah glory

        also explains his (and SOQ’s) support for Trump

        base strategy though is to pretend there’s no agenda or belief – rather, “just asking questions”

        1. bisted

          …far worse than looney great reset notions are the relentless campaign advocationing letting the pandemic rip through the population…what motivates someone to keep proposing dangerous nonsense…

          1. Brother Barnabas


            SOQ actually justified this on the basis that “this is how humans have battled viruses since the beginning of time”

          2. bisted

            …I still believe that these persona have been created by Bodger…the SOQ character is particularly absurd…only Bodger could have dreamt up a bizzare individual like this and only Bodger could get of with posting some of the outrageous comments that would land us lesser mortals on the naughty step…but then…stupidity…you have a point…

          3. Charger Salmons

            But bisted you also think I’m invented by Bodger as well and a few others reckon Jane is me too.
            If that’s the case why do I moderate myself so much over the most innocuous things like some manbag-carrying snowflake ?

          4. Charger Salmons

            It’s true bisted.
            Bodger couldn’t afford my lifestyle.
            And I don’t wear hair shirts and whip myself raw with thorns as penance for lascivious thoughts

        2. Ghost of Yep

          The Great Reset is a real thing proposed by the WEF. An organisation that has received criticism on various issues over the years and deservedly so IMO.

          The great reset may not be as nefarious as some propose but why the mockery for questioning its legitimacy?

          1. Ghost of Yep

            I did Millie. That’s the conspiracy which I’ve kind of stated is the nefarious part and dont agree with.

            It’s still a real thing though. So if everyone stopped acting like children we could have a conversation on what it actually involves.

          2. millie bobby brownie


            I’d be very interested in hearing about it and, as Yep says, what it actually involves.

          3. Ghost of Yep

            I don’t know Repro. Never stated that I did. Any information is vague at best.

            Do you? I appreciate the tone though.

            @ BB

            No I dont believe the pandemic was planned. No I dont believe politicians will be forced to adopt the policies.

            There is still a vague proposal from the WEF that may be adopted. Why is it crazy/stupid to question it considering who it is coming from?

          4. Brother Barnabas

            because pretty much as junkface says below – yes, the Great Reset is a real, actual idea mooted at a WEF event. but – as suggested in that forum – it’s a plausible and sensible idea (but, yes, I’m a leftie who believes in climate change etc, so…). the nutjobs took the grain of the idea and developed it into this monstrous conspiracy- that’s the inane bit. and added so many ridiculous ‘facts’. a couple of these are mentioned in the linked article – the vaccine alters your DNA, made with aborted foetus cells, and only Trump can save us. and, sadly, at one point or another, each of these inanities has made it’s way into SOQ’s comments.

          5. bisted

            …wait…don’t start explaining yet…I can’t find my tinfoil hat…right, it’s on…set critical faculties to off…carry on…

          6. ReproBertie

            “Any information is vague at best”.
            Not so. It’s all here: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/archive/the-great-reset

            “Why is it crazy/stupid to question it considering who it is coming from?”

            I’m not saying it’s crazy or stupid to question it. The WEF hosts think tanks on a variety of topics and this is just the latest. It’s not an instruction or a policy document. It’s a bunch of people looking at different possible ways that the world could emerge from the pandemic. There’s a lot of interesting stuff in the podcasts and articles (e.g. the public sector taking the lead in financing large scale green projects, or the need for governments to use digital technology to respond more quickly to their citizens concerns or looking at preserving rural jobs) but it’s all aspirational.

          7. Ghost of Yep

            “it’s a plausible and sensible idea”

            It’s all very, very vague and I think you’re naive to read what is available and think yeah the WEF really want to change the world for the better and not question how they actually plan on doing it and who will benefit most. 2 years ago far less people would back something coming from the WEF and I believe the NWO crowd have somehow softened the focus on them which is far from a positive.

            Conversations here have turned to people who see conspiracy theories everywhere and others who can see conspiracy theorists everywhere. It’s all very repetitive and toxic.

            I disagree with you Barnacles. I’ll leave it there. Have a good one.

          8. Brother Barnabas

            the idea that what’s happened globally since March should force us to rethink how we live, how we organise society, how we regulate economy etc isnt a radical one

            even before it was discussed by WEF, there were hundreds of editorials and comments within mainstream media about same idea

            you think its alarming or concerning or strange that we would look to learn from this?

          9. ReproBertie

            “It’s all very, very vague”

            It’s all very, very publicly available and if it is in any way vague on detail it is only so because it is aspirational.

          10. Ghost of Yep

            @ Repro

            I’m well aware what is available. Thanks again for the unnecessary snide and tone. All the best.

          11. ReproBertie

            I wasn’t being snide in my comments at all. These are just words on a screen. Any tone you assign to them is in your head.

        3. Junkface

          I read a similar article to that on the ‘great reset’ a couple of weeks ago. According to that one there are some elements to the great reset that are true, like many conspiracy theories, it’s what they do with the truth that makes the difference. Usually they connect dots and make connections that are fantastical, not true, or just plain bizarre. It usually involves lizard people, George Soros, Bill Gates or Trump having altruistic values, which is insane of course.

          Governments will have to find a way of breaking this grip of indoctrination on the population, and teaching them how to decipher a real article from conspiracy nonsense. We need to promote the Sciences more, critical thinking, I really hope something can be done before it really is a zombie apocalypse of eejits feeding each other nonsense.

          1. Brother Barnabas


            and, in addition, theres a responsibility on social media platforms to at least flag the absurdities and downright lies being spread

            for example, one of the BS regulars made the claim a few days ago that the Pfizer vaccine causes Bell’s Palsy. this claim originated on facebook, went viral, before being entirely debunked. it’s completely untrue. yet this commenter nonetheless stated it as fact. what’s the purpose of that if not promote the anti-vaxx angle by scaremongering with deceit?

          2. Junkface

            “one of the BS regulars made the claim a few days ago that the Pfizer vaccine causes Bell’s Palsy”

            Jesus! I thought that was a joke someone made yesterday. Didn’t know it actually happened. I had to have words with someone in my own family who repeated some nonsense they read from their friends on facebook. I could not believe they were too lazy to bother looking it up from a valid scientific website, but there you go. That’s what happens.

  5. GiggidyGoo

    Anyone find this disturbing (if the report in the Indo is correct of course).

    “Paper consent forms must be read to the residents along with the HSE information leaflet. Either a resident or a qualified health professional must sign these forms if getting the vaccine is in the best interests of the resident”

    Residents with dementia? (what about Power of Attorney)
    Residents that don’t want the vaccine?
    Is a Nursing Hime owner a health professional? Is a care worker a health professional? … in the context of having the authority mentioned above? Are they entitled to make such a decision?

    One more thought. The rejected PPE and Handwash. Is the HSE storing this, or are the suppliers?.( Given that some suppliers work from an office only). Any sign of refunds?

  6. Charger Salmons

    In the Indo Ireland’s newest MEP, Colm Markey, wonders how he’ll balance the demands of his new role with running a full-time dairy farm in Louth.
    Well I’m sure the monthly salary of €8,611.31 plus pension will help.
    Plus the €4,416 monthly ” general expenditure allowance ” , first-class travel expenses and a €313 daily allowance for hotel and living costs when working in Brussels and Strasbourg.
    The fact that he doesn’t have to provide receipts or invoices for any of these expenses which are never made public will probably ease his worries about who is mucking out the cowshed back home.
    He can monitor that from his free i-pad.
    Kerching baby.

    1. Johnny

      A man like yourself could easily drop 4 grand just on the white whine for lunch,never mind the Boudreaux.

      1. Charger Salmons

        I did once drop an obscene amount of money at The French Laundry.
        I rather let the vino collapso go to my head but when you’re in Napa it’s hard not to.
        As a rule though I think anything over €100 a head is rarely worth it.

        1. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

          wine is a little like diamonds the real cost has rarely little to do with it’s actual value

        2. bisted

          …drank a ’61 Chat. Batailley about 8 years ago…still remember it…had an awful lot of vino collapso since and don’t remember a single sip…

          1. Johnny

            …had a tennis match at a friends court,just before us open.
            One my partners,had played junior tennis in Bratislava while at college,her BFF Petra,from then was now captain the Czech fed cup team and agreed be my partner for the match.
            In return at Baltzar we drank a vintage chambers from the year she was born,nectar of the gods.

          2. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

            johnny, you do realize that Charger is a parody character, that his content is to send up exactly the kind of comment you just made ?
            I’m not having a go, just think about it

          3. millie bobby brownie

            Oh he won’t like that Janet. Brace yourself for another derogatory and wholly inappropriate comment.

    1. Charger Salmons

      Nigel used his allowances to fund UKIP.
      He had to pay them back eventually but what a great return on his long-term investment.
      He still has rather a nice pension however.

      1. Otis Blue

        The Brexit Party Limited does indeed appear to be a great investment for its shareholders.

        (dead link removed)

          1. Otis Blue

            The link was to Companies House in London so I’m unsure why the link is not working. Anyhow, the link shows that Farage is a director and controlling shareholder of the Brexit Party Limited, a private limited company which received over £17m in private donations in the year end to December 2019.

          2. Charger Salmons

            And the Brexit Party has now asked the Electoral Commission to be allowed to change its named to Reform UK.
            As a registered party with the Electoral Commission the Brexit Party is, like all other parties, obliged by law to provide audited accounts and lists of all donors over a certain amount.
            Farage doesn’t draw a salary from the party.

            On Sky News in May 2019, a Scottish National Party MEP, Alyn Smith, claimed that the Brexit Party is “a shell company that’s a money laundering front”. The Brexit Party threatened legal action unless Smith retracted the claim. Smith apologised unreservedly and admitted that he had no evidence for his allegation, and made a donation to the party’s legal costs as well as to the charity Help for Heroes.

            And your point is ?

          3. Otis Blue

            My point was merely to reinforce your own about the return on Farage’s long term investment.

            That, and the fact that the Brexit Party Limited is structured in a fundamentally different way from other UK parties.

  7. Frank

    when the schools were open pre Christmas there was less than 400 cases.
    schools closed now we have 6000 cases.
    why are they keeping the schools closed?

      1. Frank

        so with all the preventative measures we’ve taken the transmission rate is now 1500% more? why is that?

        1. Cian

          the risk increase by 1500% over December when the shops, restaurants and pubs were open, and people were mixing.

          it isn’t that difficult to understand.

          1. Frank

            that isn’t true. pubs outside of Dublin have been open up to Christmas. I think they use to call that level 3. Dublin was on level 3.5 which I think meant no pubs except for outside pubs or pubs with food socially distanced. shops have also been opened prior to Christmas with non essential product as essential product is hard to define and even harder to police.
            and yet with all these relaxations in covid restrictions we had less than 400 cases.
            is that so hard to understand?
            well yes it is because there is no logic to the argument for closing schools.

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