Boris Johnson has become the first world leader outside North America to get a telephone call from new POTUS Joe Biden.
Mr Johnson spoke to Mr Biden in a 35 minute phone call from his office at 10 Downing Street. The pair discussed “a very wide range of subjects”, sources said, describing the conversation as “very warm, friendly and wide ranging with agreement on key issues”.
A Downing Street spokesman said that the pair “also discussed the benefits of a potential free trade deal between our two countries”.
On hearing the news French leader Napoleon Macron kicked his wife’s Zimmer frame from under her in anger.
And Mehole Martin later called Boris to ask if he could put in a good word with Joe to see if there was any chance of the three going for a few scoops and a good oul’ sing-song outside a chipper.
Reportedly Boris responded by asking “ who is this and how did you get my private number ? Bloody prank calls . “
Joe F
Bozo is doing a mighty job clown man. Figures for cases and deaths from the virus released earlier today show the UK now 5th highest out of 221 countries for deaths per million population. Almost 100,000 deaths now from the virus in the UK. But of course you just turn a blind eye to this old boy. Bozo doing a mighty job alright. Marvelous.
Otis Blue
Alternatively, the view from the White House…
“Boris Johnson’s hopes of striking an early trade deal with the US — seen as one of the biggest prizes of Brexit — have faded after new warnings that such pacts were not a priority for president Joe Biden’s new administration.”
They’ll announce calls to commence talks about talks about hosting a what-have-ya junket to Camp David to start the ‘Unity Poll’ talks before the Biden Whitehouse have Boris’ over
Maybe even a Presidential visit to Mayhoo announcement before Brexit trade talks get a look in
Air Force 1 can rock in and out of Knock there over a weekend, no bother
Now there’s something for the nannoracks and actibots plus all the idle Q Deep State (of Affairs ⊙.☉) researchers analysts & militias
No of times Air Force 1 has landed on an Irish Runway
Versus UK
Charger Salmons
Oh dear, you’re making a fool of yourself again.
Cornwall’s Carbis Bay in June is wonderful.
Biden will be there for the G7 conference which the UK is hosting. https://carbisbayholidays.co.uk/Webcam/carbis-bay-webcam/
Glasgow is less attractive but Biden will also be there in November for the hugely-important UN climate conference.
Also, Blighty usually throws on a full State visit with all the trimmings for a new President.
I’ve no doubt at some stage he might pop in on the way home for the obligatory Guinnes shot though to keep Irish-Americsn vote happy.
The BOGOF Taoisigh Mehole and Varadkar will be swinging handbags to see who gets the first handshake …
The DIT are way behind. UK companies have been setting up in the EU these past 3 years, solely so that they can have unfettered access. These are companies which import from, say, the Far East. Up to now, they cleared their goods into the UK and then could sell them freely throughout the EU.
They set up in the EU, and now import goods into the EU directly for the EU market, and much smaller amounts into the UK for that market.
Otis Blue
Surely a distinguished gent like you would appreciate Mick’s 19,000 acres fishing and shooting estate in Donegal.
Triple Crown – Well done sir! Bringing more cheer to Sunday than anybody could imagine, keep up the good work!
Charger Salmons
You’re welcome.
I do like to spread a bit of good cheer in these difficult times.
Remember the old saying – a wise man has something to say, a fool has to say something.
Send in the clowns ? Don’t worry they’re here…
Marvellous.
Any reason you posted the poll with the Tories ahead by 1%, but no mention whatsoever of Bozo’s approval ratings clown man? The last poll I read about his approval ratings had him at 20%, that was last week, with a prediction he would lose his own seat! Very selective in what you post old sport.
Kate
Spiffing, Charger!
Formerly known as @ireland.com
Great – that guarantees an independent Scotland and a united Ireland. I hope the Tories keep winning! The longer Bozo, Patel, JRM and Co. are running the show, the better.
Charger Salmons
Charger’s Vax Facts™# 33
There are now seven different Covid-19 vaccines being used around the world with 60,490,112 doses being administered in 61 different countries.
In the 24 hours before 4pm yesterday the UK administered a record 480,069 doses bringing its overall total to just over 6.3 million.
Ireland’s official total has remained unchanged at 121,900 for three days.
Joe F
Could you please tell us how many deaths from the virus in the UK clown man? Oh no, I don’t think you want to know about that, do you? Wouldn’t look good for Bozo to be saying that too loud. Anyway, some real facts, after todays figures, the UK is now the 5th highest out of 221 countries for deaths per million population. What a shocking fact for Bozo. Almost 100,000 deaths from the virus in the UK. Still, Tories 1% ahead in the polls. That is more important to you than the 100,000 deaths. Wow. What are his approval ratings by the way clown man? Last week I read they were -20%. Marvelous.
Bodger
Hic.
Charger Salmons
Hope you’re enjoying a libation too Bodger old sport.
Whatever gets us through this awful time.
Best wishes to all my loyal readers …
Charger Salmons
Thanks for working late as well.
I appreciate the effort to bring us the papers.
Joe F
Any luck with finding those approval ratings for Bozo?
Bodger
Thank you, Charger, a pleasure.
Charlie
Cheers for staying up late Bodger to feed Chargers infatuation and life blood.
benblack
Bodger feeds all broadsheet.ie addicts equally, unlike Charlie dealers.
Charlie
In the middle of the night? Or is benny a Broadsheet insomniac too :-)
benblack
In the middle of the night, Charlie, I’m a Broadsheet romantic.
Charlie
I’d imagine that’s pleases your missus no end.
benblack
Give us a line, Charlie, and not that crap you’ve been peddling all over town.
Charger Salmons
Charger’s Vax Facts™ # 34
India only started its vaccination programme this week.
It has ALREADY vaccinated more people than every EU country bar Germany.
The USA, with a similar population to the EU, has done two and a half times as many.
Whichever way you cut it this is an extraordinary political failure by the EU.
Janet, dreams of an alternate universe
you do realize Indian government is completely corrupt and not adverse to massaging figures, I’d trust that as far as I could pay them backsheesh to fling me
benblack
Just wondering, Janet, have you been following ‘Dix Pour Cent’?
Binge-watched the first three seasons over weekend – love it!
…watched a thing called ‘Paris’ last night and the week before on one of the English channels…seemed to be mostly round your old Manor…explained what a Bobo was and guess where was the epicentre – Chez Prune…
Janet, dreams of an alternate universe
lol, what can I say, when I left they lost the run of themselves ;)
Lilly
Love Call My Agent (Dix Pour Cent) as well. Fourth season just in.
Janet, dreams of an alternate universe
bit more parisienne than Emily ;)
Lilly
Absolument!
Janet, dreams of an alternate universe
I love how the actors are send ups of themselves and the agents so sneaky :)
Papi
When you have the reputation of a liar, all your truths are questioned.
Not talking about India either.
Charger Salmons
Carpet bombing posting brought to you by 25-year-old Macallan.
Wahaay !
Morning George
The king of copy and paste.
Joe F
Just as a matter of interest clown man, why have you stopped the last few weeks from posting Bozo’s approval ratings? You were very liberal in letting everyone know that he was so popular and his ratings were well in the positive. Funny now, you have gone so quiet about that. You’re so predictable. Just to let you know, in case you haven’t heard, he’s -20% in approval ratings from last week. If you wish to contradict me with one of your “facts”, be my guest clown man.
…that Macallan seems to have aged well overnight…I’m sure it said 10yo last night…
Redundant Proofreaders Society
An Taoiseach’s (vague, dithery) indication on RTE Radio was that numbers need to go to 100-200 and it will be ‘towards the summer’ before lockdowns are lifted.
There was further dithering and happy Corkonian-elbowing and bro-love with Brendan O’Connor but we got this…
There is a hold-up on the AstraZeneca vaccine, which smells like profiteering by supply control. In fairness, Martin’s comments hinted on that when he indicated an EU investigation. If you listen back you’ll see.
Brexit continues its roaring, soaraway success as the dept of industry and trade advises businesses to set up in europe to avoid extra uk charges and bureaucracy.
Jaysus Brenda Power, first Phil Lynott and now this?
Lilly
What did she say about Phil Lynott?
It’s hard to have an ounce of sympathy for the nuns but I suppose they grew up in the misogynistic pressure cooker that was Ireland at the time too. It’s hardly a natural lifestyle choice to go and live with a band of women and swear off sex, relationships and procreation for the rest of your days. They were clearly brainwashed in their droves to become brides of Christ.
It can’t be just a coincidence that nunnery numbers have drastically dwindled. It’s probably a great career choice these days for an enterprising woman with a penchant for large buildings with polished hardwood floors.
Always was
Well. When she’s not looking down her nose at every one like
Formerly known as @ireland.com
Quarantine all international arrivals is what is needed in Ireland. Stop the soft pedaling. There is no point in locking down if you keep letting the virus in. It has worked in Oz and NZ.
…the clamour of vested interests will eventually drown out the medical advice from NPHET and the voice of Tony Holohan…politicians sacrificed education to ensure profits for a few…they have gambled on vaccination but internal turf wars look like stymying that effort so far…maybe after lockdown five or six they will act but with arch sceptic Leo coming up there is little chance…
Cian
Who exactly are the chosen few?
All the old “chosen” (pubs, hotels, builders, churches) have been sidelined and ignored.
GiggidyGoo
Citywest Hotel is an exception though.
ce
Yeah, Citywest Hotel is basically managed by the Tesco own brand version of the Illuminati
Papi
It’s officially chargers gaff now.
Shame.
Rosette of Sirius
Yeah. I’m barely arsed anymore. Oopsie. I said arse. That’s a couple of months on the naughty step for me.
Papi
Chargers gaff, broadsheets gaffe.
Toe Up
The Trump train has derailed and the Qanon fad is gone(on), so they need a controversialist to engage comment activity.
Charger Salmons
It’s funny that you think discussion about vaccines – which just about everyone in this country is desperately waiting for – should be controversial.
That’s why this government can get away with whatever it wants.
Charlie
Funny how you rant about it day after day after day. Change the record you loser.
Papi
This and bags and bags of cans is all he has. Both are vomit inducing.
Maybe Charage is the reason SO’Q has suspended the SOQ Some Old Queen avatar
He had too work too hard to find space for him and his latest self & agendas, in between all the Chargers
That
Or some of his back catalogue, like the porno / gay escort scene links n’ posts, for example, have come back to haunt him
Can’t see the Emperor being to impressed
I doubt very much he was ‘ run off’ as JR said to Dr Marcus
Whatever tis SO’Qs at – tis all of his own making anyway
‘ certain of it
Charger Salmons
Not for the first time I have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about
millie bobby brownie
I think SOQ bore the brunt of a lot of frustration that other commenters felt – mine included, at times – with the uncertainty of the Covid-19 situation, and we cling to certainty in crisis. But, as I said yesterday, he was well able to dish it out as well as anyone else here, and a lot of the time it seemed (to me at least) that he relished the debate, so to say he’s been ‘run off’ is a bit of a stretch. As you say yourself V, there’s room enough here for everyone’s viewpoints.
GiggidyGoo
Yes, there is room enough here for everyone’s viewpoints. The problem with some posters however, is that their viewpoints are solely on other posters, and not the stories being commented on, or on the points that other posters make.
The attacks that SOQ had to put up with….many were attacks only on him if you look back…. it’s no wonder he’s removed himself from it. Using ‘frustration’ to excuse the almost non-stop as hominem attacks on him doesn’t cut it with me. You had a queue of attackers , one after another, demeaning his viewpoints, in each thread, points which were usually accompanied by sources.
What you now have is wall-to-wall Charger Salmons (No. 1 in Google results).
Threads started on today’s papers by him.
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Papi’s comment about gaff and gaffe isn’t too far off the mark.
Getting what’s deserved?
GiggidyGoo
actually, demeaning him, is what I meant to write.
scottser
Yeh, I thought the tans were going to keep all their fish? Shame they keep throwing that rotten salmon back to us, it really does stink the place out.
benblack
SOQ was pilloried for daring to question the official Covid-19 narrative. He supported most of his posts with links to highly respected experts in the field – Professor Carl Heneghan, of Oxford University’s Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine, being one of many.
He wasn’t seeking certainty in a time of crisis, he was seeking the truth in a time of bizarre politicisation and hysteria surrounding a public health matter.
And, strangely enough, anyone who questions the narrative – which is supported very strongly by an unquestioning media machine – seems to meet the same fate.
I hope he comes back. He was a very valuable commenter and certainly directed me to information I may not have otherwise become aware of.
The Broadsheet record is evidence of his contributions and the abuse he received.
I never understood the reaction to SO’Qs Covid posts/ research / advocacy and promo’ing other alternative research & channels etc
Then again I really haven’t engaged with that whole scene
Yet it was obvious that SO’Q for a long time was very much Anti-Scare Mongering, and arguing the damage lockdown was doing on a Human level, ie Mental Health
Rather than the rentagob+mob Anti-Masker, Vaccines are really 5G Controlled Bots designed to refuel on your Spinal Cord Juice contingent
Think I might have said so myself
But SO’Q has gone through a number of Genres here over the years Millie
At lot not his best moments
And they’re littered all over Broadsheet
100s of posts over the years
He has knowingly posted untruths here, and deliberately repeated them. And has doxxed and participated in doxing
So it’s only to be expected that there are regulars, commenting and lurking that will not trust what he has to say about anything
You’re right
There’s room for everyone, the More the Merrier
But he’s no stranger to asking for commenters
And columnists btw
To be cancelled
Himself
But for what it’s worth
He used to be the best craic here on Sundays, one time
A great lad for knowing where such n’such pictured in the Papers got their frock, shoes etc
Let’s have that Same’oh back
And maybe that Charage offal wouldn’t stick and mess-up the page so much
Oro
I’m confused by the gay porn / escort links and what’s being inferred by their mention. You’ve said it a few times is there any greater context? Do you think the subject matter Is unbecoming of the site or something? Or did he post it in a way with some kind of weird dynamic?
I agree with you SOQ posted a lot of lies. On purpose. And was a terrible one to play victim. Extremely traditionalist and conservative (very misogynistic I thought) and invoked his own homosexuality as a mechanism to shirk responsibility for his own statements (I’m gay too I’m allowed say it I think lol). I think anyone saying that he suffered any ‘attacks’ is forgetting how he enjoyed to provoke and did so in a very trollish and dishonest way, wanted to be treated with respect but offer others none.
His (what he considered to be) triumphant PWN re the death of another commenters’ friend from covid and using hearsay from nurses was really something. Fits in the grand tradition of the Irish sanctimonious overbearing man archetype. Them being gatekeepers of reality and what’s important, one rule for them and different for everybody else.
What’s confusing about He posted links to Porno stuff
Been a while in fairness
But Take a look through some older threads that resurface under the ‘related’ tags
Some interesting stuff there
From a lot more that SO’Q
Charger Salmons
A devastating account of incompetence and nastiness at the heart of the SNP Scottish government.
Unfortunately the media in Scotland tends to mirror that here in Ireland with obsequious fawning, partisan journalists and a failure to investigate for fear of embarrassing those in charge.
This is cracking stuff however.
” ‘Children have been very seriously damaged’ by NHS gender clinic, says former Tavistock staff governor”
Nigel
I expect once they’ve dismantled all the services for trans kids they’ll start on those for adults.
Clampers Outside
That sounds like a churlish conspiracy theory to me.
You simply cannot accept the proven, both in legal and medical terms, facts that it is child abuse that you support.
You’re an abusive idealogue who puts patient care last when it should be number one. And that’s demonstrated repeatedly in your comments. Sad.
Nigel
It’s hardly a conspiracy thoery when you use language like this to justify it, it’s just hate.
Clampers Outside
“… to justify it”…
Justify what? You support the way GIDS/Tavistock operated… And knowing full well there were failings of care, you continually supported that abuse.
Oro
It is not ‘proven in legal and medical terms that it’s child abuse’ that’s just a lie. I don’t think Nigel is a doctor so why he would be involved in patient care is beyond me. Out of interest what about trans people is it that you hate so much?
Clampers Outside
Check the legal, by looking up the Bell case against GIDS/Tavistock where the judges ruled the “experimental” procedures needed court approval for dealing with children. This is a change in how they operate, a change imposed by legal ruling in the case. (there are other changes, this is just one example… Look the case up).
Then for the medical, check the report on Tavistock / GIDS that made them change the way they operate.
Oro
Replying to this post b/c something up with my emails – that doesn’t say anything about child abuse or prove either in a medical or legal way sorry, you’ll have to do better than that. You never answered my question about why you hate trans people so much?
Regarding your accusation of hate, please show me one hateful comment. Please note also that all my comments are informed by listening to trans persons and their opinions on the current state of Trans Rights Activism and its’ rejection of science in a preference for a pseudo-science based ideology.
Do your research Oro. Look at both sides. Maybe start with the book ‘Gallileo’s Middle Finger’.
Tommy Bohan
Who is/was SOQ? I don’t post here that often
Can anyone fill me in on what happened recently.
Were they forced off or what?
ReproBertie
Since the start of the Covid pandemic SOQ was posting that lockdowns don’t work and that we should be following Sweden‘s example. As the pandemic continued he posted more and more outlandish claims including:
– facemasks could cause cancer because they are washed in laundry detergent
– facemasks have not been shown to work in any country (links to studies disapproving this were provided)
– one of the vaccines causes Bell’s palsy
His claims were usually shown to be incorrect or taken out of context to push a viewpoint. He would ignore these counter arguments and then post the same claims the next day or on the next Covid thread. This went on for months in pretty much every thread on lockdowns and Covid.
We’ll leave the US election fraud claims aside for now.
Apparently people not slavishly accepting his claims drove him away.
Paulus
Well explained: I had one exchange with him way back where he became very aggressive and irrational. I simply ticked the Avoid in Future box and left him to it from then on.
Tommy Bohan
Thank you very much for that ReproBertie, I was not up to speed on what was going on there.
benblack
You’ve only heard one person’s opinion, Tommy – a biased opinion at that.
Search the Broadsheet archive and read the threads – and, then, make up your own mind.
Covid-19 started in March ’20, serious questions were being raised end of April/beginning of May
GiggidyGoo
Search back a bit Tommy. You’ll find that Repro is giving one side of the story. Benblack above gives the other.
f_lawless
“facemasks have not been shown to work in any country (links to studies disapproving this were provided)”
Can I ask which studies which studies you are referring to? I know you repeatedly referred to a Canadian study but when I pointed out the obvious flaws with it, I didn’t get a response:
“f_lawless
December 14, 2020 at 12:14 pm
Would there be any point in pointing out to you that the study (I assume) you’re referring to by the Department of Economics at Canada’s Simon Fraser University (a) isn’t peer-reviewed and (b) seems to be cherry-picking data endpoints to fit a conclusion? The period chosen for the study was July to August, yet by the time the paper was released in late September, according to official statistics, “new cases” were clearly on the rise and have steadily continued to rise since.
The assumptions made my the economists who authored that paper now look extremely weak. The fall and subsequent rise in cases is better explained by the seasonal effect. Rather than flawed observational studies, why not look to more robust scientific evidence to form your opinion – the randomised control trial carried out in Denmark, for example?”
You also have repeatedly stated empathically that there’s no evidence at all that the Pfizer vaccine can cause Bell’ s Palsy. but it seems pretty clear there’s a reference to it in the official UK government information leaflet for the Pfizer vaccine:
“Package leaflet: Information for the recipient
…
may affect up to 1 in 1,000 people – temporary one sided facial drooping”
No. We’ve been through the face mask thing a dozen times and I have no interest in doing it again. Your questions on the Canadian study were answered but clearly not to your satisfaction. I don’t care. Search the archives if you really care.
The Bell’s Palsy is a red herring and SOQ chose to ignore the details.
“Four volunteers developed Bell’s palsy after receiving Pfizer’s Covid-19 vaccine. This is true, but that’s about how many people in a group the size of the trial would be expected to develop it in that period of time. There’s no evidence it’s linked to the vaccine.”
To be honest I’m sick of the constant need to counter the same anti-vax stuff over and over on this site so I have to remember that you can’t change the people around you but you can change the people around you.
Almost £800,000 from Facebook alone in 2019 plus many others including Google.
No figures for 2020 – Covid-19 information year – yet.
Crocodile Dundalk
“To be honest I’m sick of the constant need to counter the same anti-vax stuff over and over on this site”
Lmao. Poor you..
Popularising shortened clinical trialling and shady traceability for vaccines has a habit of coming back to bite you in the derriere.
Crocodile Dundalk
Ask Brother Barnabas and Bisted.
Crocodile Dundalk
Forced off for questioning lockdown restrictions and the efficacy of the vaccines.
Charger Salmons
He should have just followed my lead and instigated a Chump’s Corner where I imprison all the tiresome, unoriginal and dull posters in much the way you would ignore dullards and oafs in real life.
Then sit back and watch them compete for your attention like unwanted runts in a litter.
A couple of them have driven themselves demented – posting up to 15 replies a day to my erudite and witty posts begging for some sign of recognition.
It’s been going on for months and it’s hilarious.
They never ever get the hint and it’s very amusing.
That’s an unverifiable equivalence, SOQ wasn’t a tiresome troll like you.
Papi
+111111
Slurry spreader salmons.
benblack
The response from others is similar, though.
Cú Chulainn
We are living care in the community for Salmons.. I’m sure SOQ will return.. interesting comments and always questioning.. and if a little ratty sometimes.. well, the clue is in the name. We shared this one evening long ago: if you’re reading SOQ, chill.. take care: kiasmos live: https://youtu.be/4fHw4GeW3EU
There are a couple others could take a chill pill and enjoy..
Joe F
Good morning old boy/troll/keyboard warrior. So are you going to keep ignoring the wonderful job Bozo is doing with the virus in the UK? 5th highest out of 221 countries for deaths per million, heading closer and closer to the top spot, something you seem obsessed about with the UK. Nothing something to be very proud of. Almost 100,000 deaths from virus in UK. But as long as Tories are 1% ahead in the latest poll that’s all that matters. Much more important to be posting on that rather than the fact that the UK is nearly the worst as regards deaths per million from the virus. Things are pretty bad here, Ireland currently 46th in rate per million, with a figure of 593. The UK rate is 1,429. I know you’re not that sharp, so I’ll do the maths for you, UK rate is almost 2.5 times that of Ireland. Bozo doing a mighty job.
PS check your spelling and grammar before you post, especially when you are giving out to others about their spelling and grammar. I don’t know when I last saw a post from you without a spelling or grammar mistake. Back to senior infants for you clown man.
Marvelous.
Papi
Imagine being called out consistently on racist, misogynistic, bigoted posts?
The cheek.
Poor charger. Poor poor charger.
ce
I for one question the lockdown restrictions – they are idiotic… and we are finally slowly moving to something prehaps slightly resembling a proper quarantine regime – but I don’t question the danger of Covid, the usefulness of facemasks, and the efficacy of vaccines that have been through full clinical trial (granted running sections of the trials simultaneously…. cause, you know emergency…) – big difference
Crocodile Dundalk
Clearly you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Clinical trials are spread over time to analyse amongst other things, long term effects, adverse or not. Performing clinical trials after the release is bunk science and blatantly irresponsible.
ce
I would agree that it is definitely not ideal – but vaccines, generally (yes, generally), don’t have long-term effects and we’re in an emergency. What was done was not bunk but yes has some risk.
As to I don’t know what I’m talking about – any Island that does not use it’s natural advantage in dealing with a pandemic and is relying on vaccination as a solution to all of it’s problems is idiotic… that much I do know.
Do you have a suggestion for how we should proceed?
Crocodile Dundalk
“What was done was not bunk but yes has some risk.”
No it was 100% bunk. And insanely risky. To say otherwise is psychotic.
“Do you have a suggestion for how we should proceed?”
No matter what the situation, you cannot fast track clinical trialling. With a new technology like mRNA, the auditing and trialling would be longer and much more stringent.
Everything about this is reckless and irresponsible.
ce
mRNA is relatively new, but not totally novel, it’s been around for a while – but never used in humans…. except for the fact that now millions of people who have taken it with no side effects beyond effects associated with other vaccines – time will tell if we all turn green and grow more nipples in 5 years, or we’re eaten by our own DNA.
Not all of the Covid vaccines are mRNA based
Trails are fast tracked for a variety of reasons all around the world
You have every right not to take a vaccine
But, for the sake of argument, let’s assume all the science is bunk and we all decide not to take a vaccine, what do you think we should do instead?
Crocodile Dundalk
“mRNA is relatively new, but not totally novel, it’s been around for a while – but never used in humans…. except for the fact that now millions of people who have taken it with no side effects beyond effects associated with other vaccines”
And long term adverse effects?
“Trails are fast tracked for a variety of reasons all around the world”
No they’re not. That’s illegal.
“But, for the sake of argument, let’s assume all the science is bunk and we all decide not to take a vaccine, what do you think we should do instead?”
The science isn’t bunk. Vaccines, like anaesthetics, should be tailored to the patient. Mass delivery without careful analysis of the end users unique physiology and medical history is a recipe for disaster.
That would mean more stringent trialling which I have absolutely no problem with because I’d know the product was manufactured to the highest possible standard.
That is the whole idea of clinical trials.
ce
“And long term adverse effects?” unlikely, and personally I’m willing to take the risk – you don’t have to take it. I walk outside of my house everyday and breathe in crap from cars and god knows what else, drink water out of victorian era water pipes, drink too much in general, did lots of other recreational things (with rigorous manufacturing standards!) when I was younger etc. They all definitely have long term effects, can’t imagine what the mass catastrophic long term effects of mRNA might actually be that would be more than everything I (and others) have done before. Given the long term effects I’ve seen with two people who’ve had Covid – they are cathastrophic – I’m personally quite happy taking vaccine … but that’s me and you don’t have to
Speeding up trials –
“No they’re not. That’s illegal”
Trials are speed up for a variety of reasons, sometimes phases are run concurrently, early regulation applications etc, like now and Ebola vaccine is another good recent example.
I fully agree that there is a long term risk to what is going on now – to say there isn’t would be a lie – but in the grand scheme of things I think the severity of the risk is overblown.
Crocodile Dundalk
“can’t imagine what the mass catastrophic long term effects of mRNA might actually be that would be more than everything I (and others) have done before.”
Read the PIL attached to any drug. The cytotoxic drugs for instance, one potential side affect is fatality. I’m pretty sure you’re not ok with that, and it’s inclusion means that people who are physiology incapable of taking it have taken it and died.
” personally quite happy taking vaccine”
Its a free country, and it ought to stay that way.
“Trials are speed up for a variety of reasons, sometimes phases are run concurrently, early regulation applications etc, like now and Ebola vaccine is another good recent example.”
Nope. I’m afraid you’re wrong there. And that ebola outbreak turned into a military mess so who knows what happened with the trials. Either way it’s not really comparible.
” but in the grand scheme of things I think the severity of the risk is overblown.”
How can you possibly know in all fairness???
ce
There are drug that are fast tracked all the time without complete trials – and yes technically trials that are meant to be complete after the fact, but that doesn’t always happen, sometimes for very good reasons sometimes for not so good reasons… And of course, in some instances there are certain conditions for which there are simply not enough people with said conditions to conduct a proper trial on. Running phases concurrently rather than sequentially happens in emergencies, has become a thing recently.
Certainly there could be long term problems in how trials are changing in the future – there are already there are examples of serious serious ones – but in some of these instances that are emergency situations, people have to make calls.
“” but in the grand scheme of things I think the severity of the risk is overblown.”
How can you possibly know in all fairness???”
In fairness, I don’t, I’m taking a guess/making a call in the full knowledge that I might be wrong, but there are very few – so far – short term effects on folks in the trials and real life situations of the 5 main Covid vaccines likely to get approval here. Long term – I think the 40 a day I smoked for 15 year will do more guaranteed long term damage than something that will make my body produced an immune reaction to a disease. As I said I could be wrong… I’ll let you know
Can’t wait for the Lidl vaccines when the middle isle reopens
Tarfton Clax
Flicking through tbe comments on Saturday’s and Sunday’s papers today. It’s almost unreadable. The same people insulting each other and posting the same comments reworded again and again.
It’s becoming more trouble than it’s worth to read now, which is a shame.
Personally, V, I found her recital boring, clichèd and so 1980’s.
Fake, yes, fake is how I found it.
Out of time and out of place.
All of you delighting in her gesticulation as if you’d never seen it before!
Talk to the hand, Biaatch!
Ridiculous.
A sign of the next four years.
ce
+ 1
Good luck to the woman, she has a great career ahead of her regardless of what I think – but god awful lazy clichèd nonsense – although she’s not actually in power, I’m more worried about the god awful lazy clichèd nonsense from the new pres and his crew… hope they actually achieve something and not simply make the same mistakes as Democrats and mainstream Repubicans have been making for the last 30 years.
I’ll still take this god awful lazy clichèd nonsense over Dump.
millie bobby brownie
Agreed. She’s a very good speaker and the poem for the inauguration was good, but clichéd. Perhaps that’s what the Americans need right now, I don’t know. In her defence, she’s only 22 and I don’t know many people of that age who are capable of nuance, beyond what they learn in college.
I would say she has an interesting future ahead of her, regardless of what David Quinn thinks.
benblack
How can anything be good, but, clichéd?
If it’s clichéd, it’s bad – in an off-Broadway theatre, it’s cringe-worthy – but a presidential inauguration – speaking to all nations of the world – it’s woeful considering how low the bar was set.
Never mind irrelevant D.Q tweets.
millie bobby brownie
Is a cliché an inherently bad thing? If a movie, for example, follows a familiar format or uses popular tropes and is essentially a cliché, does that make it a bad movie?
There are countless movies which fall into that description, and not all of them are bad. The same could be said of any number of books or poetry, or almost any text we consume.
millie bobby brownie
And we are agreed about DQ. The less said of him the better.
benblack
When the world was waiting for something new, Millie, and we got an African-American spouting some rap/poetry in the year 2021 that ‘The Sugar Hill Gang’ would be ashamed of, and the response to her powerful linguistic rhymes and intellect – I jest – could be best appreciated and remembered by the movement of her hands, gesticulating some tired old trope of modern day America – U2 had more creativity and do cliché perfectly because they create it.
Sorry, Millie, I’m going to have to quote it all to make my point.
“Is a cliché an inherently bad thing? If a movie, for example, follows a familiar format or uses popular tropes and is essentially a cliché, does that make it a bad movie?
There are countless movies which fall into that description, and not all of them are bad. The same could be said of any number of books or poetry, or almost any text we consume.”
This is not a movie, a novel, a poem, or any text we consume – it’s life, and life is real, always authentic and always alive, never contrived and never clichéd.
But always true.
millie bobby brownie
That’s a really great point. And it’s true. Life never adheres to clichés, not in the way they’re portrayed in media or text.
But regarding my original point, Amanda Gorman read her poem The Hill We Climb at the inauguration – as seen in that clip above. It may be real life, as you say, but it is also a text to be consumed, so in that respect, I’d say yes – it is subject to cliché, in the same way other texts are too.
Anyway, that’s just my take on it.
ce
“it’s life, and life is real, always authentic and always alive, never contrived and never clichéd.” – in fairness, my life is a bit of a cliché… maybe I’m the only one
This is about a 22 year old writer and academic
Not even a popular fiction writer, with a former career as a child star, and a sex tape
A Poet type of writer
Blowing industry pros, 000,000 + selling, back2back live 00,000 seater stadium tour gig ovation getting,
Oscar performing, World name established Superstars,
Garth Brooks, J Lo and Lady f’ing Gaga
People with merchandise and perfume called after them
Mega stars, who you heard of and knew about when Trump was inaugurated
got upstaged by a poet that 99.9999% – probably more
Of the planet
Never heard of
Yet an anti woman’s rights over her own body Man
Half her age
Whose wages are paid by religious Interests who have rules that discriminate against its own members
A man who took issue against equal marriage
Makes it about her own lifestyles
But shur’ that’s grand, this is man’s talk
Make it about cliché
Like woke ‘ism, and silly young ‘wans and their prochoice notions
Not more clichés from David Quinn, surely
At least ye didn’t try and ‘splain it off with a sly Mother & Baby
illegal adoptions, slave labour, human trafficking snort
So there’s that
And here’s the gas thing
David Quinn only talks like that from behind a screen
Whether tis Social Media or the telly
He’d poo poo himself before saying all that to anyone’s face
Least of all any one who’s been to Harvard
Or in front of the World’s Cameras
David Quinn big noo noos
As long as no one can answer him back
Hey Broadsheet, he’s so yere type
Lately anyway
All He /Him
I loved her movement and dancing words
Hand in hand, word by word
Bate the other three going on like they were after saving the planet
Like only for them there’d be no inauguration
More self importance than Donald Trump himself
benblack
Just get a pedicure, V.
*Not a peep all day, pops head up when thinks coast is clear*
But that useless flaccid nothingness but an irritating creak on the stairs,
a man who’s never created anything in his life
Only copied and mimicked words from some historical nonsense
Owned by an organisation that is run by a man in a dress , who he has to kneel in front of and kiss the man’s jewellery
David Quinn just wanted to bring that girl down a peg or two
Cock his leg and mark his ground
Boris Johnson has become the first world leader outside North America to get a telephone call from new POTUS Joe Biden.
Mr Johnson spoke to Mr Biden in a 35 minute phone call from his office at 10 Downing Street. The pair discussed “a very wide range of subjects”, sources said, describing the conversation as “very warm, friendly and wide ranging with agreement on key issues”.
A Downing Street spokesman said that the pair “also discussed the benefits of a potential free trade deal between our two countries”.
On hearing the news French leader Napoleon Macron kicked his wife’s Zimmer frame from under her in anger.
And Mehole Martin later called Boris to ask if he could put in a good word with Joe to see if there was any chance of the three going for a few scoops and a good oul’ sing-song outside a chipper.
Reportedly Boris responded by asking “ who is this and how did you get my private number ? Bloody prank calls . “
Bozo is doing a mighty job clown man. Figures for cases and deaths from the virus released earlier today show the UK now 5th highest out of 221 countries for deaths per million population. Almost 100,000 deaths now from the virus in the UK. But of course you just turn a blind eye to this old boy. Bozo doing a mighty job alright. Marvelous.
Alternatively, the view from the White House…
“Boris Johnson’s hopes of striking an early trade deal with the US — seen as one of the biggest prizes of Brexit — have faded after new warnings that such pacts were not a priority for president Joe Biden’s new administration.”
https://www.ft.com/content/c26c550e-df9f-4973-b476-d701e341f676
The Ministry of Truth has its say…
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1388165/Joe-biden-news-uk-us-trade-deal-boris-johnson-call-brexit-news
They’ll announce calls to commence talks about talks about hosting a what-have-ya junket to Camp David to start the ‘Unity Poll’ talks before the Biden Whitehouse have Boris’ over
Maybe even a Presidential visit to Mayhoo announcement before Brexit trade talks get a look in
Air Force 1 can rock in and out of Knock there over a weekend, no bother
Now there’s something for the nannoracks and actibots plus all the idle Q Deep State (of Affairs ⊙.☉) researchers analysts & militias
No of times Air Force 1 has landed on an Irish Runway
Versus UK
Oh dear, you’re making a fool of yourself again.
Cornwall’s Carbis Bay in June is wonderful.
Biden will be there for the G7 conference which the UK is hosting.
https://carbisbayholidays.co.uk/Webcam/carbis-bay-webcam/
Glasgow is less attractive but Biden will also be there in November for the hugely-important UN climate conference.
Also, Blighty usually throws on a full State visit with all the trimmings for a new President.
I’ve no doubt at some stage he might pop in on the way home for the obligatory Guinnes shot though to keep Irish-Americsn vote happy.
The BOGOF Taoisigh Mehole and Varadkar will be swinging handbags to see who gets the first handshake …
Happy to provide you the opening Charage
Have at it lad
Wow, you’re all over the comments shop today. Are you aware of your alcohol intake? Particularly Friday-Sunday? Joking aside, Call 116 123
Poor old Remoaning ginger Mick Hucknall ( who he ? – Ed )
This post aged well.
https://twitter.com/mjhucknall/status/1352952577923706880
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/23/brexit-hit-firms-advised-government-officials-set-up-shop-in-eu?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
UK exports on the rise, jobs in this case mind.
Outsmarting Johnny Foreigner, innit!
The DIT are way behind. UK companies have been setting up in the EU these past 3 years, solely so that they can have unfettered access. These are companies which import from, say, the Far East. Up to now, they cleared their goods into the UK and then could sell them freely throughout the EU.
They set up in the EU, and now import goods into the EU directly for the EU market, and much smaller amounts into the UK for that market.
Surely a distinguished gent like you would appreciate Mick’s 19,000 acres fishing and shooting estate in Donegal.
Money’s Too Tight to Mention, eh?
https://assets.savills.com/properties/GBCOUNDUY160044/DUY160044_DUY17001017.PDF
We’re doomed Capt’n Mainwaring.Doomed I tell you.
Westminster Voting Intention:
CON: 39% (+1)
LAB: 38% (-1)
GRN: 6% (=)
LDM: 5% (=)
REF: 4% (+1)
Via @Yougov
, 20-21 Jan.
Changes w/ 13-14 Jan.
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1352983841460412420
Triple Crown – Well done sir! Bringing more cheer to Sunday than anybody could imagine, keep up the good work!
You’re welcome.
I do like to spread a bit of good cheer in these difficult times.
Remember the old saying – a wise man has something to say, a fool has to say something.
Send in the clowns ? Don’t worry they’re here…
Marvellous.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/23/20/d2/2320d2caf8e266564056e29dd3d02ed2.jpg
Any reason you posted the poll with the Tories ahead by 1%, but no mention whatsoever of Bozo’s approval ratings clown man? The last poll I read about his approval ratings had him at 20%, that was last week, with a prediction he would lose his own seat! Very selective in what you post old sport.
Spiffing, Charger!
Great – that guarantees an independent Scotland and a united Ireland. I hope the Tories keep winning! The longer Bozo, Patel, JRM and Co. are running the show, the better.
Charger’s Vax Facts™# 33
There are now seven different Covid-19 vaccines being used around the world with 60,490,112 doses being administered in 61 different countries.
In the 24 hours before 4pm yesterday the UK administered a record 480,069 doses bringing its overall total to just over 6.3 million.
Ireland’s official total has remained unchanged at 121,900 for three days.
Could you please tell us how many deaths from the virus in the UK clown man? Oh no, I don’t think you want to know about that, do you? Wouldn’t look good for Bozo to be saying that too loud. Anyway, some real facts, after todays figures, the UK is now the 5th highest out of 221 countries for deaths per million population. What a shocking fact for Bozo. Almost 100,000 deaths from the virus in the UK. Still, Tories 1% ahead in the polls. That is more important to you than the 100,000 deaths. Wow. What are his approval ratings by the way clown man? Last week I read they were -20%. Marvelous.
Hic.
Hope you’re enjoying a libation too Bodger old sport.
Whatever gets us through this awful time.
Best wishes to all my loyal readers …
Thanks for working late as well.
I appreciate the effort to bring us the papers.
Any luck with finding those approval ratings for Bozo?
Thank you, Charger, a pleasure.
Cheers for staying up late Bodger to feed Chargers infatuation and life blood.
Bodger feeds all broadsheet.ie addicts equally, unlike Charlie dealers.
In the middle of the night? Or is benny a Broadsheet insomniac too :-)
In the middle of the night, Charlie, I’m a Broadsheet romantic.
I’d imagine that’s pleases your missus no end.
Give us a line, Charlie, and not that crap you’ve been peddling all over town.
Charger’s Vax Facts™ # 34
India only started its vaccination programme this week.
It has ALREADY vaccinated more people than every EU country bar Germany.
The USA, with a similar population to the EU, has done two and a half times as many.
Whichever way you cut it this is an extraordinary political failure by the EU.
you do realize Indian government is completely corrupt and not adverse to massaging figures, I’d trust that as far as I could pay them backsheesh to fling me
Just wondering, Janet, have you been following ‘Dix Pour Cent’?
Binge-watched the first three seasons over weekend – love it!
ouiiiiiiii it’s excellent, makes me homesick
…watched a thing called ‘Paris’ last night and the week before on one of the English channels…seemed to be mostly round your old Manor…explained what a Bobo was and guess where was the epicentre – Chez Prune…
lol, what can I say, when I left they lost the run of themselves ;)
Love Call My Agent (Dix Pour Cent) as well. Fourth season just in.
bit more parisienne than Emily ;)
Absolument!
I love how the actors are send ups of themselves and the agents so sneaky :)
When you have the reputation of a liar, all your truths are questioned.
Not talking about India either.
Carpet bombing posting brought to you by 25-year-old Macallan.
Wahaay !
The king of copy and paste.
Just as a matter of interest clown man, why have you stopped the last few weeks from posting Bozo’s approval ratings? You were very liberal in letting everyone know that he was so popular and his ratings were well in the positive. Funny now, you have gone so quiet about that. You’re so predictable. Just to let you know, in case you haven’t heard, he’s -20% in approval ratings from last week. If you wish to contradict me with one of your “facts”, be my guest clown man.
…that Macallan seems to have aged well overnight…I’m sure it said 10yo last night…
An Taoiseach’s (vague, dithery) indication on RTE Radio was that numbers need to go to 100-200 and it will be ‘towards the summer’ before lockdowns are lifted.
There was further dithering and happy Corkonian-elbowing and bro-love with Brendan O’Connor but we got this…
There is a hold-up on the AstraZeneca vaccine, which smells like profiteering by supply control. In fairness, Martin’s comments hinted on that when he indicated an EU investigation. If you listen back you’ll see.
https://www.rte.ie/radio/radioplayer/html5/#/radio1/21897288
Brexit continues its roaring, soaraway success as the dept of industry and trade advises businesses to set up in europe to avoid extra uk charges and bureaucracy.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/23/brexit-hit-firms-advised-government-officials-set-up-shop-in-eu
#takingbackcontrol
Jaysus Brenda Power, first Phil Lynott and now this?
What did she say about Phil Lynott?
It’s hard to have an ounce of sympathy for the nuns but I suppose they grew up in the misogynistic pressure cooker that was Ireland at the time too. It’s hardly a natural lifestyle choice to go and live with a band of women and swear off sex, relationships and procreation for the rest of your days. They were clearly brainwashed in their droves to become brides of Christ.
It can’t be just a coincidence that nunnery numbers have drastically dwindled. It’s probably a great career choice these days for an enterprising woman with a penchant for large buildings with polished hardwood floors.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Humanisticus/status/1349360715237351426
She then said that her post was misread…but she deleted it….that’s the trust she puts in her own > writings.
That kinda talks to the standards of Journalists and those that call themselves Journalists
Same for their commissioning editors and publishers
Beyond the tasteless and undeniable bigotry of Brenda Power’s tweet
It’s also Factually incorrect
Just in case (。◕‿◕。)➜ Phil was born well out of reach of those State Sanctioned and Funded Death Traps
I get the impression she’s a bit of an apologist for the Church.
Wholly
And totally
Always was
Well. When she’s not looking down her nose at every one like
Quarantine all international arrivals is what is needed in Ireland. Stop the soft pedaling. There is no point in locking down if you keep letting the virus in. It has worked in Oz and NZ.
…the clamour of vested interests will eventually drown out the medical advice from NPHET and the voice of Tony Holohan…politicians sacrificed education to ensure profits for a few…they have gambled on vaccination but internal turf wars look like stymying that effort so far…maybe after lockdown five or six they will act but with arch sceptic Leo coming up there is little chance…
Who exactly are the chosen few?
All the old “chosen” (pubs, hotels, builders, churches) have been sidelined and ignored.
Citywest Hotel is an exception though.
Yeah, Citywest Hotel is basically managed by the Tesco own brand version of the Illuminati
It’s officially chargers gaff now.
Shame.
Yeah. I’m barely arsed anymore. Oopsie. I said arse. That’s a couple of months on the naughty step for me.
Chargers gaff, broadsheets gaffe.
The Trump train has derailed and the Qanon fad is gone(on), so they need a controversialist to engage comment activity.
It’s funny that you think discussion about vaccines – which just about everyone in this country is desperately waiting for – should be controversial.
That’s why this government can get away with whatever it wants.
Funny how you rant about it day after day after day. Change the record you loser.
This and bags and bags of cans is all he has. Both are vomit inducing.
Maybe Charage is the reason SO’Q has suspended the SOQ Some Old Queen avatar
He had too work too hard to find space for him and his latest self & agendas, in between all the Chargers
That
Or some of his back catalogue, like the porno / gay escort scene links n’ posts, for example, have come back to haunt him
Can’t see the Emperor being to impressed
I doubt very much he was ‘ run off’ as JR said to Dr Marcus
Whatever tis SO’Qs at – tis all of his own making anyway
‘ certain of it
Not for the first time I have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about
I think SOQ bore the brunt of a lot of frustration that other commenters felt – mine included, at times – with the uncertainty of the Covid-19 situation, and we cling to certainty in crisis. But, as I said yesterday, he was well able to dish it out as well as anyone else here, and a lot of the time it seemed (to me at least) that he relished the debate, so to say he’s been ‘run off’ is a bit of a stretch. As you say yourself V, there’s room enough here for everyone’s viewpoints.
Yes, there is room enough here for everyone’s viewpoints. The problem with some posters however, is that their viewpoints are solely on other posters, and not the stories being commented on, or on the points that other posters make.
The attacks that SOQ had to put up with….many were attacks only on him if you look back…. it’s no wonder he’s removed himself from it. Using ‘frustration’ to excuse the almost non-stop as hominem attacks on him doesn’t cut it with me. You had a queue of attackers , one after another, demeaning his viewpoints, in each thread, points which were usually accompanied by sources.
What you now have is wall-to-wall Charger Salmons (No. 1 in Google results).
Threads started on today’s papers by him.
11:34
11:36
11:37
11:38
11:39
Papi’s comment about gaff and gaffe isn’t too far off the mark.
Getting what’s deserved?
actually, demeaning him, is what I meant to write.
Yeh, I thought the tans were going to keep all their fish? Shame they keep throwing that rotten salmon back to us, it really does stink the place out.
SOQ was pilloried for daring to question the official Covid-19 narrative. He supported most of his posts with links to highly respected experts in the field – Professor Carl Heneghan, of Oxford University’s Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine, being one of many.
He wasn’t seeking certainty in a time of crisis, he was seeking the truth in a time of bizarre politicisation and hysteria surrounding a public health matter.
And, strangely enough, anyone who questions the narrative – which is supported very strongly by an unquestioning media machine – seems to meet the same fate.
I hope he comes back. He was a very valuable commenter and certainly directed me to information I may not have otherwise become aware of.
The Broadsheet record is evidence of his contributions and the abuse he received.
I never understood the reaction to SO’Qs Covid posts/ research / advocacy and promo’ing other alternative research & channels etc
Then again I really haven’t engaged with that whole scene
Yet it was obvious that SO’Q for a long time was very much Anti-Scare Mongering, and arguing the damage lockdown was doing on a Human level, ie Mental Health
Rather than the rentagob+mob Anti-Masker, Vaccines are really 5G Controlled Bots designed to refuel on your Spinal Cord Juice contingent
Think I might have said so myself
But SO’Q has gone through a number of Genres here over the years Millie
At lot not his best moments
And they’re littered all over Broadsheet
100s of posts over the years
He has knowingly posted untruths here, and deliberately repeated them. And has doxxed and participated in doxing
So it’s only to be expected that there are regulars, commenting and lurking that will not trust what he has to say about anything
You’re right
There’s room for everyone, the More the Merrier
But he’s no stranger to asking for commenters
And columnists btw
To be cancelled
Himself
But for what it’s worth
He used to be the best craic here on Sundays, one time
A great lad for knowing where such n’such pictured in the Papers got their frock, shoes etc
Let’s have that Same’oh back
And maybe that Charage offal wouldn’t stick and mess-up the page so much
I’m confused by the gay porn / escort links and what’s being inferred by their mention. You’ve said it a few times is there any greater context? Do you think the subject matter Is unbecoming of the site or something? Or did he post it in a way with some kind of weird dynamic?
I agree with you SOQ posted a lot of lies. On purpose. And was a terrible one to play victim. Extremely traditionalist and conservative (very misogynistic I thought) and invoked his own homosexuality as a mechanism to shirk responsibility for his own statements (I’m gay too I’m allowed say it I think lol). I think anyone saying that he suffered any ‘attacks’ is forgetting how he enjoyed to provoke and did so in a very trollish and dishonest way, wanted to be treated with respect but offer others none.
His (what he considered to be) triumphant PWN re the death of another commenters’ friend from covid and using hearsay from nurses was really something. Fits in the grand tradition of the Irish sanctimonious overbearing man archetype. Them being gatekeepers of reality and what’s important, one rule for them and different for everybody else.
Excuse the rant!
What’s confusing about He posted links to Porno stuff
Been a while in fairness
But Take a look through some older threads that resurface under the ‘related’ tags
Some interesting stuff there
From a lot more that SO’Q
A devastating account of incompetence and nastiness at the heart of the SNP Scottish government.
Unfortunately the media in Scotland tends to mirror that here in Ireland with obsequious fawning, partisan journalists and a failure to investigate for fear of embarrassing those in charge.
This is cracking stuff however.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19034561.iain-macwhirter-like-fish-scotlands-crown-office-rotting-head/
On another note, Varadkar is in ‘Pledging’ mode again. Narcopath.
Hope everyone is enjoying the snow today. Kids have been out screaming and lobbing snowballs since 8.30 this morning out my way.
Made a mini-snowman with the snow that had accumulated outside my neighbour’s yard this morning.
He arrived shortly afterwards – and not aware of my childish exuberance – I pointed out my pride and joy. He politely acknowledged it.
Upon re-entering his vehicle, I heard him mutter FFS.
I blushed, self-consciously.
True story.
You know what you have to do.
Blare it at full volume.
https://youtu.be/h9nB5ZzbSO8
I’ve been singing it all day, Millie, looking under the door and through the keyhole.
Wow! Ch4 doing actual reporting… https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1353064961443061760?s=19
” ‘Children have been very seriously damaged’ by NHS gender clinic, says former Tavistock staff governor”
I expect once they’ve dismantled all the services for trans kids they’ll start on those for adults.
That sounds like a churlish conspiracy theory to me.
You simply cannot accept the proven, both in legal and medical terms, facts that it is child abuse that you support.
You’re an abusive idealogue who puts patient care last when it should be number one. And that’s demonstrated repeatedly in your comments. Sad.
It’s hardly a conspiracy thoery when you use language like this to justify it, it’s just hate.
“… to justify it”…
Justify what? You support the way GIDS/Tavistock operated… And knowing full well there were failings of care, you continually supported that abuse.
It is not ‘proven in legal and medical terms that it’s child abuse’ that’s just a lie. I don’t think Nigel is a doctor so why he would be involved in patient care is beyond me. Out of interest what about trans people is it that you hate so much?
Check the legal, by looking up the Bell case against GIDS/Tavistock where the judges ruled the “experimental” procedures needed court approval for dealing with children. This is a change in how they operate, a change imposed by legal ruling in the case. (there are other changes, this is just one example… Look the case up).
Then for the medical, check the report on Tavistock / GIDS that made them change the way they operate.
Replying to this post b/c something up with my emails – that doesn’t say anything about child abuse or prove either in a medical or legal way sorry, you’ll have to do better than that. You never answered my question about why you hate trans people so much?
The detail behind both points does say a lot about both.
See also… https://twitter.com/hannahsbee/status/1353986641136939008?s=19
Regarding your accusation of hate, please show me one hateful comment. Please note also that all my comments are informed by listening to trans persons and their opinions on the current state of Trans Rights Activism and its’ rejection of science in a preference for a pseudo-science based ideology.
Do your research Oro. Look at both sides. Maybe start with the book ‘Gallileo’s Middle Finger’.
Who is/was SOQ? I don’t post here that often
Can anyone fill me in on what happened recently.
Were they forced off or what?
Since the start of the Covid pandemic SOQ was posting that lockdowns don’t work and that we should be following Sweden‘s example. As the pandemic continued he posted more and more outlandish claims including:
– facemasks could cause cancer because they are washed in laundry detergent
– facemasks have not been shown to work in any country (links to studies disapproving this were provided)
– one of the vaccines causes Bell’s palsy
His claims were usually shown to be incorrect or taken out of context to push a viewpoint. He would ignore these counter arguments and then post the same claims the next day or on the next Covid thread. This went on for months in pretty much every thread on lockdowns and Covid.
We’ll leave the US election fraud claims aside for now.
Apparently people not slavishly accepting his claims drove him away.
Well explained: I had one exchange with him way back where he became very aggressive and irrational. I simply ticked the Avoid in Future box and left him to it from then on.
Thank you very much for that ReproBertie, I was not up to speed on what was going on there.
You’ve only heard one person’s opinion, Tommy – a biased opinion at that.
Search the Broadsheet archive and read the threads – and, then, make up your own mind.
Covid-19 started in March ’20, serious questions were being raised end of April/beginning of May
Search back a bit Tommy. You’ll find that Repro is giving one side of the story. Benblack above gives the other.
“facemasks have not been shown to work in any country (links to studies disapproving this were provided)”
Can I ask which studies which studies you are referring to? I know you repeatedly referred to a Canadian study but when I pointed out the obvious flaws with it, I didn’t get a response:
“f_lawless
December 14, 2020 at 12:14 pm
Would there be any point in pointing out to you that the study (I assume) you’re referring to by the Department of Economics at Canada’s Simon Fraser University (a) isn’t peer-reviewed and (b) seems to be cherry-picking data endpoints to fit a conclusion? The period chosen for the study was July to August, yet by the time the paper was released in late September, according to official statistics, “new cases” were clearly on the rise and have steadily continued to rise since.
The assumptions made my the economists who authored that paper now look extremely weak. The fall and subsequent rise in cases is better explained by the seasonal effect. Rather than flawed observational studies, why not look to more robust scientific evidence to form your opinion – the randomised control trial carried out in Denmark, for example?”
You also have repeatedly stated empathically that there’s no evidence at all that the Pfizer vaccine can cause Bell’ s Palsy. but it seems pretty clear there’s a reference to it in the official UK government information leaflet for the Pfizer vaccine:
“Package leaflet: Information for the recipient
…
may affect up to 1 in 1,000 people – temporary one sided facial drooping”
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/948518/Information_for_UK_recipients_on_PfizerBioNTech.pdf
No. We’ve been through the face mask thing a dozen times and I have no interest in doing it again. Your questions on the Canadian study were answered but clearly not to your satisfaction. I don’t care. Search the archives if you really care.
The Bell’s Palsy is a red herring and SOQ chose to ignore the details.
“Four volunteers developed Bell’s palsy after receiving Pfizer’s Covid-19 vaccine. This is true, but that’s about how many people in a group the size of the trial would be expected to develop it in that period of time. There’s no evidence it’s linked to the vaccine.”
https://fullfact.org/online/bells-palsy-vaccine-trial/
To be honest I’m sick of the constant need to counter the same anti-vax stuff over and over on this site so I have to remember that you can’t change the people around you but you can change the people around you.
https://fullfact.org/about/funding/
Almost £800,000 from Facebook alone in 2019 plus many others including Google.
No figures for 2020 – Covid-19 information year – yet.
“To be honest I’m sick of the constant need to counter the same anti-vax stuff over and over on this site”
Lmao. Poor you..
Popularising shortened clinical trialling and shady traceability for vaccines has a habit of coming back to bite you in the derriere.
Ask Brother Barnabas and Bisted.
Forced off for questioning lockdown restrictions and the efficacy of the vaccines.
He should have just followed my lead and instigated a Chump’s Corner where I imprison all the tiresome, unoriginal and dull posters in much the way you would ignore dullards and oafs in real life.
Then sit back and watch them compete for your attention like unwanted runts in a litter.
A couple of them have driven themselves demented – posting up to 15 replies a day to my erudite and witty posts begging for some sign of recognition.
It’s been going on for months and it’s hilarious.
They never ever get the hint and it’s very amusing.
https://youtu.be/9MR8Ym_H
That’s an unverifiable equivalence, SOQ wasn’t a tiresome troll like you.
+111111
Slurry spreader salmons.
The response from others is similar, though.
We are living care in the community for Salmons.. I’m sure SOQ will return.. interesting comments and always questioning.. and if a little ratty sometimes.. well, the clue is in the name. We shared this one evening long ago: if you’re reading SOQ, chill.. take care: kiasmos live: https://youtu.be/4fHw4GeW3EU
There are a couple others could take a chill pill and enjoy..
Good morning old boy/troll/keyboard warrior. So are you going to keep ignoring the wonderful job Bozo is doing with the virus in the UK? 5th highest out of 221 countries for deaths per million, heading closer and closer to the top spot, something you seem obsessed about with the UK. Nothing something to be very proud of. Almost 100,000 deaths from virus in UK. But as long as Tories are 1% ahead in the latest poll that’s all that matters. Much more important to be posting on that rather than the fact that the UK is nearly the worst as regards deaths per million from the virus. Things are pretty bad here, Ireland currently 46th in rate per million, with a figure of 593. The UK rate is 1,429. I know you’re not that sharp, so I’ll do the maths for you, UK rate is almost 2.5 times that of Ireland. Bozo doing a mighty job.
PS check your spelling and grammar before you post, especially when you are giving out to others about their spelling and grammar. I don’t know when I last saw a post from you without a spelling or grammar mistake. Back to senior infants for you clown man.
Marvelous.
Imagine being called out consistently on racist, misogynistic, bigoted posts?
The cheek.
Poor charger. Poor poor charger.
I for one question the lockdown restrictions – they are idiotic… and we are finally slowly moving to something prehaps slightly resembling a proper quarantine regime – but I don’t question the danger of Covid, the usefulness of facemasks, and the efficacy of vaccines that have been through full clinical trial (granted running sections of the trials simultaneously…. cause, you know emergency…) – big difference
Clearly you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Clinical trials are spread over time to analyse amongst other things, long term effects, adverse or not. Performing clinical trials after the release is bunk science and blatantly irresponsible.
I would agree that it is definitely not ideal – but vaccines, generally (yes, generally), don’t have long-term effects and we’re in an emergency. What was done was not bunk but yes has some risk.
As to I don’t know what I’m talking about – any Island that does not use it’s natural advantage in dealing with a pandemic and is relying on vaccination as a solution to all of it’s problems is idiotic… that much I do know.
Do you have a suggestion for how we should proceed?
“What was done was not bunk but yes has some risk.”
No it was 100% bunk. And insanely risky. To say otherwise is psychotic.
“Do you have a suggestion for how we should proceed?”
No matter what the situation, you cannot fast track clinical trialling. With a new technology like mRNA, the auditing and trialling would be longer and much more stringent.
Everything about this is reckless and irresponsible.
mRNA is relatively new, but not totally novel, it’s been around for a while – but never used in humans…. except for the fact that now millions of people who have taken it with no side effects beyond effects associated with other vaccines – time will tell if we all turn green and grow more nipples in 5 years, or we’re eaten by our own DNA.
Not all of the Covid vaccines are mRNA based
Trails are fast tracked for a variety of reasons all around the world
You have every right not to take a vaccine
But, for the sake of argument, let’s assume all the science is bunk and we all decide not to take a vaccine, what do you think we should do instead?
“mRNA is relatively new, but not totally novel, it’s been around for a while – but never used in humans…. except for the fact that now millions of people who have taken it with no side effects beyond effects associated with other vaccines”
And long term adverse effects?
“Trails are fast tracked for a variety of reasons all around the world”
No they’re not. That’s illegal.
“But, for the sake of argument, let’s assume all the science is bunk and we all decide not to take a vaccine, what do you think we should do instead?”
The science isn’t bunk. Vaccines, like anaesthetics, should be tailored to the patient. Mass delivery without careful analysis of the end users unique physiology and medical history is a recipe for disaster.
That would mean more stringent trialling which I have absolutely no problem with because I’d know the product was manufactured to the highest possible standard.
That is the whole idea of clinical trials.
“And long term adverse effects?” unlikely, and personally I’m willing to take the risk – you don’t have to take it. I walk outside of my house everyday and breathe in crap from cars and god knows what else, drink water out of victorian era water pipes, drink too much in general, did lots of other recreational things (with rigorous manufacturing standards!) when I was younger etc. They all definitely have long term effects, can’t imagine what the mass catastrophic long term effects of mRNA might actually be that would be more than everything I (and others) have done before. Given the long term effects I’ve seen with two people who’ve had Covid – they are cathastrophic – I’m personally quite happy taking vaccine … but that’s me and you don’t have to
Speeding up trials –
“No they’re not. That’s illegal”
Trials are speed up for a variety of reasons, sometimes phases are run concurrently, early regulation applications etc, like now and Ebola vaccine is another good recent example.
I fully agree that there is a long term risk to what is going on now – to say there isn’t would be a lie – but in the grand scheme of things I think the severity of the risk is overblown.
“can’t imagine what the mass catastrophic long term effects of mRNA might actually be that would be more than everything I (and others) have done before.”
Read the PIL attached to any drug. The cytotoxic drugs for instance, one potential side affect is fatality. I’m pretty sure you’re not ok with that, and it’s inclusion means that people who are physiology incapable of taking it have taken it and died.
” personally quite happy taking vaccine”
Its a free country, and it ought to stay that way.
“Trials are speed up for a variety of reasons, sometimes phases are run concurrently, early regulation applications etc, like now and Ebola vaccine is another good recent example.”
Nope. I’m afraid you’re wrong there. And that ebola outbreak turned into a military mess so who knows what happened with the trials. Either way it’s not really comparible.
” but in the grand scheme of things I think the severity of the risk is overblown.”
How can you possibly know in all fairness???
There are drug that are fast tracked all the time without complete trials – and yes technically trials that are meant to be complete after the fact, but that doesn’t always happen, sometimes for very good reasons sometimes for not so good reasons… And of course, in some instances there are certain conditions for which there are simply not enough people with said conditions to conduct a proper trial on. Running phases concurrently rather than sequentially happens in emergencies, has become a thing recently.
Certainly there could be long term problems in how trials are changing in the future – there are already there are examples of serious serious ones – but in some of these instances that are emergency situations, people have to make calls.
“” but in the grand scheme of things I think the severity of the risk is overblown.”
How can you possibly know in all fairness???”
In fairness, I don’t, I’m taking a guess/making a call in the full knowledge that I might be wrong, but there are very few – so far – short term effects on folks in the trials and real life situations of the 5 main Covid vaccines likely to get approval here. Long term – I think the 40 a day I smoked for 15 year will do more guaranteed long term damage than something that will make my body produced an immune reaction to a disease. As I said I could be wrong… I’ll let you know
Some reading for you..
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_vis=1&q=the+importance+of+traceability+in+vaccines&btnG=#d=gs_qabs&u=%23p%3DO8bWYoWrZO4J
Some reading for you.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_vis=1&q=the+importance+of+traceability+in+vaccines&btnG=#d=gs_qabs&u=%23p%3DO8bWYoWrZO4J
Can’t wait for the Lidl vaccines when the middle isle reopens
Flicking through tbe comments on Saturday’s and Sunday’s papers today. It’s almost unreadable. The same people insulting each other and posting the same comments reworded again and again.
It’s becoming more trouble than it’s worth to read now, which is a shame.
Lololol
This is all so embarrassing.
Lol
Here
https://twitter.com/DavQuinn/status/1353314122218270724?s=19
this should brighten up a rather sameish oul’ day for the Broadsheet in-house alt white & Hard Men
Personally, V, I found her recital boring, clichèd and so 1980’s.
Fake, yes, fake is how I found it.
Out of time and out of place.
All of you delighting in her gesticulation as if you’d never seen it before!
Talk to the hand, Biaatch!
Ridiculous.
A sign of the next four years.
+ 1
Good luck to the woman, she has a great career ahead of her regardless of what I think – but god awful lazy clichèd nonsense – although she’s not actually in power, I’m more worried about the god awful lazy clichèd nonsense from the new pres and his crew… hope they actually achieve something and not simply make the same mistakes as Democrats and mainstream Repubicans have been making for the last 30 years.
I’ll still take this god awful lazy clichèd nonsense over Dump.
Agreed. She’s a very good speaker and the poem for the inauguration was good, but clichéd. Perhaps that’s what the Americans need right now, I don’t know. In her defence, she’s only 22 and I don’t know many people of that age who are capable of nuance, beyond what they learn in college.
I would say she has an interesting future ahead of her, regardless of what David Quinn thinks.
How can anything be good, but, clichéd?
If it’s clichéd, it’s bad – in an off-Broadway theatre, it’s cringe-worthy – but a presidential inauguration – speaking to all nations of the world – it’s woeful considering how low the bar was set.
Never mind irrelevant D.Q tweets.
Is a cliché an inherently bad thing? If a movie, for example, follows a familiar format or uses popular tropes and is essentially a cliché, does that make it a bad movie?
There are countless movies which fall into that description, and not all of them are bad. The same could be said of any number of books or poetry, or almost any text we consume.
And we are agreed about DQ. The less said of him the better.
When the world was waiting for something new, Millie, and we got an African-American spouting some rap/poetry in the year 2021 that ‘The Sugar Hill Gang’ would be ashamed of, and the response to her powerful linguistic rhymes and intellect – I jest – could be best appreciated and remembered by the movement of her hands, gesticulating some tired old trope of modern day America – U2 had more creativity and do cliché perfectly because they create it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0Asx-p2r1nE
Sorry, Millie, I’m going to have to quote it all to make my point.
“Is a cliché an inherently bad thing? If a movie, for example, follows a familiar format or uses popular tropes and is essentially a cliché, does that make it a bad movie?
There are countless movies which fall into that description, and not all of them are bad. The same could be said of any number of books or poetry, or almost any text we consume.”
This is not a movie, a novel, a poem, or any text we consume – it’s life, and life is real, always authentic and always alive, never contrived and never clichéd.
But always true.
That’s a really great point. And it’s true. Life never adheres to clichés, not in the way they’re portrayed in media or text.
But regarding my original point, Amanda Gorman read her poem The Hill We Climb at the inauguration – as seen in that clip above. It may be real life, as you say, but it is also a text to be consumed, so in that respect, I’d say yes – it is subject to cliché, in the same way other texts are too.
Anyway, that’s just my take on it.
“it’s life, and life is real, always authentic and always alive, never contrived and never clichéd.” – in fairness, my life is a bit of a cliché… maybe I’m the only one
http://www.endyourclichédlife.com
Still doesn’t make it true, though, does it, Millie.
And life can only exist in was is true – everything else is a poor reflection or imitation of the original.
No?
Life as we know it, is not life.
*what is*
Obviously.
Conversely, I am the only clichéd person in this conversation.
Ah yis couldn’t help yerselves
Suckers!!!!!!!!
Well then, I’ll just take my opinion over to the Journal comment section and use more caps
Exclamation points, anyone?
None of us named or associated ourselves with your poster-boy, V.
So, hardly suckered.
Or, are we the Broadsheet alt-right white Hard Men?
Such a cunning trap, V.
cliché poetry – ha!
Really
80s
Yet tis this gaff that hosts Kevin Higgins FFS
This is about a 22 year old writer and academic
Not even a popular fiction writer, with a former career as a child star, and a sex tape
A Poet type of writer
Blowing industry pros, 000,000 + selling, back2back live 00,000 seater stadium tour gig ovation getting,
Oscar performing, World name established Superstars,
Garth Brooks, J Lo and Lady f’ing Gaga
People with merchandise and perfume called after them
Mega stars, who you heard of and knew about when Trump was inaugurated
got upstaged by a poet that 99.9999% – probably more
Of the planet
Never heard of
Yet an anti woman’s rights over her own body Man
Half her age
Whose wages are paid by religious Interests who have rules that discriminate against its own members
A man who took issue against equal marriage
Makes it about her own lifestyles
But shur’ that’s grand, this is man’s talk
Make it about cliché
Like woke ‘ism, and silly young ‘wans and their prochoice notions
Not more clichés from David Quinn, surely
At least ye didn’t try and ‘splain it off with a sly Mother & Baby
illegal adoptions, slave labour, human trafficking snort
So there’s that
And here’s the gas thing
David Quinn only talks like that from behind a screen
Whether tis Social Media or the telly
He’d poo poo himself before saying all that to anyone’s face
Least of all any one who’s been to Harvard
Or in front of the World’s Cameras
David Quinn big noo noos
As long as no one can answer him back
Hey Broadsheet, he’s so yere type
Lately anyway
All He /Him
I loved her movement and dancing words
Hand in hand, word by word
Bate the other three going on like they were after saving the planet
Like only for them there’d be no inauguration
More self importance than Donald Trump himself
Just get a pedicure, V.
*Not a peep all day, pops head up when thinks coast is clear*
I don’t hide
Never have
I’ve stood over, and up for every post and column I originated
And I’ve been here pretty much since the start
So what’s this
Not a peep all day, pops head up when thinks coast is clear*
Seriously WTF Folks
Despite it being pretty creepy, since the FK doxxing was a long running campaign amongst more than a few of ye, + burner logins
Am I being tracked and traced again by the local ProLife Latter Day Patriots, Make Ireland Holy Again, anti Immigration cranks and Q’wans
Much better way to spend my time watching this – https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/news/uk/in-video-animals-enjoy-the-snow-at-london-zoo/
Give this a try, ce!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h9nB5ZzbSO8
(And leave Charger alone)
Yeah – I’m sure the neighbours are loving my rendition, turned up to 11
They’re probably singing along, ce.
No, they couldn’t take it… I think… I think something terrible has happened…
Dav hates a woman.
Also water is wet.
Not when it’s Frozen!
I can expect that from him
Shur’ we all can
But that useless flaccid nothingness but an irritating creak on the stairs,
a man who’s never created anything in his life
Only copied and mimicked words from some historical nonsense
Owned by an organisation that is run by a man in a dress , who he has to kneel in front of and kiss the man’s jewellery
David Quinn just wanted to bring that girl down a peg or two
Cock his leg and mark his ground
Your war is internal, V.
You’re fighting with yourself.
Trust me, I know – from experience.
Really
G’wan
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