*pause* [Updated]

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This afternoon.

Earlier…

This afternoon.

Further to concerns over the link between the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine and blood clots…

…The US Food and Drug Administration has recommended a “pause” to the rollout of the Johnson & Johnson COVID vaccine so it can investigate reports of… blood clots.

The single dose vaccine has been given to 6.8 million Americans.

COVID-19: US recommends ‘pause’ to Johnson & Johnson jab rollout over blood clot fears (Sky)

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40 thoughts on “*pause* [Updated]

    1. chargersalmons@yahoo.co.uk

      Blighty administers 40 million vaccines in 4 months – a staggering achievement.
      While the EU plays the blame game over its own failures and Ireland jumps like a frightened child at every twist and turn of the clot saga the UK quietly and metronically bangs out hundreds of thousands of vaccines day in and day out.
      Effort equals reward with the UK now having the lowest infection rate in Europe.
      But thankfully here in Ireland – the EU has our backs™

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      1. f_lawless

        You must have missed the memo from earlier today. According to Johnson, it’s now the lockdown NOT the vaccines that’s has brought the numbers down. couldn’t make it up…then again..!

        BJ: “But it is very, very important for everybody to understand that the reduction in these numbers – in hospitalisations and in deaths and infections – has not been achieved by the vaccination programme. People don’t, I think, appreciate that it’s the lockdown that has been overwhelmingly important in delivering this improvement”

        https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/04/13/boris-johnson-says-lockdown-not-vaccines-responsible-for-drop-in-covid-cases-and-deaths/

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  1. GiggidyGoo

    Those US Food and Drug Administration crowd are some lot of ratlickers. Do they not realize that the vaccines must be pushed out regardless of the dangers?

    Or…………….has it finally dawned on agencies that vaccines that haven’t been thoroughly tested shouldn’t be fast-tracked, emergency or not?

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    1. lorcan

      6.8 million vaccines, 6 cases of blood clots

      6.8 million population, 11,784 deaths.

      Yep, the vaccine is not safe, I’d rather risk 6/6.8 million odds than 11784/6.8 million

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        1. U N M U T U A L

          Giddy
          Who knows? Sure half the country is on statins or blood thinners… Could be contraindications… Placebo group getting ‘reinfected’ as part of stage three trials up til 2023… The list is as long as your arm… Patience is a virtue in all this.

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      1. Cui Bono?

        The risk for covid is mostly age dependent.

        It’s not for the vaccines or at least unknown at this early stage.

        Anyone under 70 without serious co-morbidities doesn’t need the vaccine.

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        1. george

          Increasing numbers of younger people are ending up in intensive care due to the new variant in Brazil. If the virus isn’t suppressed in the general population there will be additional variants as the virus is allowed to reproduce and mutate.

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          1. Lizzy Borden

            Professor Sir John Bell, Regius Chair of Medicine at Oxford University, was on Channel 4 News a couple months back and admitted to Cathy Newman that the SARS-CoV-2 virus is seasonal. He said that while he did not think that was the case a year ago, he now thought it is. (He was answering her question about why it would take till autumn for boosters to be made available in the UK for these “variants”.) Brazil is entering its autumn now, so it makes sense that there would be a surge in cases, given it is in the Southern Hemisphere.

          2. george

            Seasonality has no bearing on what I said. I am talking about the age profile of those with very serious symptoms and the need for people of all ages to be vaccinated.

            There are are new variants. Scientists examine the structure of the virus and have identified them. They don’t just read things on the internet and then form an opinion on whether there are variants or not.

          1. U N M U T U A L

            A year too long for some. Annus horribilis, that’s where my pain is mostly focused these days. How about yourself?

          2. Cui Bono?

            Yes, and it’s usually called post viral syndrome or post viral fatigue but they’re well known and not as scary as calling it Long Covid.

      2. Oh...

        All cases were in women 18-48 as well though. So will be interesting to see if any more cases only fall within that demographic.

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  2. E'Matty

    @delacaravanio, Long Covid, lol. So we’re wrecking our economy and society for a big of breathlessness and fatigue after a viral infection?

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    1. U N M U T U A L

      Post viral syndrome as it used to be called, was quite prevalent in the 80s. Mostly affected worrisome middle class types who could afford the diagnosis. Not much chance of it on the PUP I’d imagine.

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    2. Lilly

      ‘a big of breathlessness and fatigue‘

      If that’s all you think long Covid is, I hope it’ll always stay fine for you, as my granny used to say.

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  3. eoin

    I don’t trust these rushed vaccine products and fear there may be serious issues down the line……but this business of withdrawing them due to a handful of blood clot related side effects is very odd. That’s two out of the five/six available vaccines being halted due to safety concerns. Really isn’t going to help win hearts and minds.

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  4. wearnicehats

    The Covid-19 adviser for the Irish College of GPs, Dr Mary Favier, said today:

    “AstraZeneca vaccine is a very effective one in terms of Covid, she said, and side effects are very low, but more prominent in the younger age groups. She added that Covid itself has a high risk of causing blood clotting and patients are more likely to get a blood clot on an aeroplane, or when taking the contraceptive pill for one week for the first time”

    Just get the jab and get on with it. Look at it this way – the miniscule miniscule chance of getting a clot and the even smaller chance of dying will add a bit of excitement to our otherwise mind numbingly boring existence. And it puts us one step closer to getting George Lee and co off the tv

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    1. U N M U T U A L

      @ chats
      +1 re Lee.
      Would Dr. Mary fly on an experimental aeroplane? Methinks she’d get the slow boat to China.

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    2. Charger Salmons

      Indeed.
      32 million people have received at least one vaccine dose in Blighty, half the entire population.
      About half of the UK’s vaccinations have been the Astra jab – the other half have been Pfizer.
      On the day that the UK opened up, Ireland suspended the Astra jab for pretty much everybody.
      If by the end of June the UK has had three months on the lash and is enjoying the Euros as part of a great summer and Ireland is still under the cosh stumbling from one vaccine cock-up to another there will be hell to pay.

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      1. f_lawless

        I see serial spoofer Boris Johnson was at it again this morning with yet another narrative shift.
        Since last May, UK citizens (and much of the wider world) have been told that lockdowns – despite all the collateral destruction they cause – are the only option in tackling Covid until the vaccines finally arrive. “Just hold on until the vaccines get here to save us all!” became the rationale.

        But now Boris is saying something else: the latest drop-off in Covid numbers hasn’t been due to the vaccine roll out, as one might have expected he would claim. No, according to hm the drop-off in numbers has been overwhelmingly due to lockdown – never mind all the empirical evidence tha’s now accumulated showing that there’s been no statistically significant relationship between the stringency or timing of interventions and Covid cases or death counts.

        BJ:: “The numbers are down – of infections and hospitalisations and deaths. But it is very, very important for everybody to understand that the reduction in these numbers – in hospitalisations and in deaths and infections – has not been achieved by the vaccination programme. People don’t, I think, appreciate that it’s the lockdown that has been overwhelmingly important in delivering this improvement in the pandemic and in the figures that we’re seeing.”

        https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/04/13/boris-johnson-says-lockdown-not-vaccines-responsible-for-drop-in-covid-cases-and-deaths/

        On that basis, he said that he “can’t see any reason” to change the roadmap for easing restrictions. There are ulterior motives going on here for bigging-up lockdown even at the expense of the vaccines, clear as day.

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    3. Junkface

      +1
      The low risk involved does not justify these suspensions during a pandemic. Politicians are operating on some other principles.

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      1. Mr. T

        +1
        The low risk involved with contracting covid does not justify these suspensions of freedoms.
        Politicians are operating on some other principles.

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  5. RidersOnTheStorm

    Johnson & Johnson has now announced their decision to “proactively delay the rollout of our vaccine in Europe”.

    Yikes.

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    1. U N M U T U A L

      Mortality salience… or Beware of Geeks bearing gifts. Take your pick. Either way it’s sad outcome for those left behind.

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    2. Daisy Chainsaw

      Either it was a waste of a vaccine because she was so old and was going to die anyway and then she died a couple of months later…
      Or the vaccine struck her down in the prime of her life and now we must mourn her as if she were our Prince Philip.

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