Take What You’re Given

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This morning

Those who refuse an offer of the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine will go to the back of the queue , according to the Tánaiste Leo Varadkar.

The rollout of the AstraZeneca jab has been restricted to people over the age of 60 because of concerns about a blood clotting side effect in younger people.

Via Irish Times:

Asked what would happed to people who refuse the AstraZeneca vaccine, he told RTÉ radio’s Morning Ireland “they will have to wait until the end”.

People who refuse AstraZeneca vaccine will go to back of queue, says Varadkar (Irish Times)

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45 thoughts on “Take What You’re Given

    1. george

      Allowing people to pick and choose what vaccine they get would be great way to reduce vaccine uptake. You’d end up with a load of unused doses and there won’t be enough of the other vaccines to make up for it.

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      1. Bruncvik

        Not allowing people to pick may cause more unused vaccines, as people may not want to risk that they’d get AZ. But I’m not a public health expert, and I’m the very lowest priority category for vaccination anyway, so I’ll just sit back and see what, if anything, comes out of this.

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        1. Micko

          Well the UK just opened back up with what -50% of their people jabbed?

          So hopefully it’ll be the same here.

          So only another million or so to go here!

          Ah ffs..

          :)

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    1. alickdouglas

      I had to check that on UD, it’s not in Roger’s Profanisaurus. I shall incorporate that into my vocabulary, it’s a very good description, and seems to pass the censor.

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        1. alickdouglas

          UD definition: “n A cloth or rag used to wipe ones anal region. However, most Jamaicans use it as a substitute for the word f**k to express anger or surprise.”

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          1. Pat

            bumba clot
            A severe profanity thought to originate from jamaica by peter tosh, the unsantitary nature of the female period (blood clot).

            (Urban Dictionary)

          2. Janet, chatty mammy

            like I said I was gonna go for bloodclat …which would be your definition as it was a closer play on words but didn’t want to upset anyone…ye can’t win

      1. Junkface

        Jesus baz. No need to woke police people having the craic.
        I detect an upper middle class overtone to that remark!

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  1. Micko

    Considering that people are concerned about the AZ jab and that no one knows the possible long term effects of these vaccines.

    Does it not make sense to give everyone going for this vaccine an antibody test beforehand. To see if they actually need the jab or not?

    Considering the WHO have stated that the global infection rate may be 10+ times the actual number reported.

    Would make sense no?

    Also, bit cheeky from Leo eh?

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    1. george

      The risk of getting a blood clot is the same as the risk of getting killed by a car in any given 6 week period. So no we should not be doing antibody testing on everyone.

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      1. freewheeling

        There are known risk factors, so pre-testing those in clot risk groups before vaccination, or delaying vaccination post-infection, is wise.

        “if a person with a recent or active COVID-19 infection is vaccinated, the highly effective and antigen specific immune response incited by the vaccine will, very likely, attack the inner lining of the blood vessel and cause damage, leading to blood clot formation [..] this risk will be highest in the elderly, the infirm and those with cardiovascular disease.”

        https://noorchashm.medium.com/the-safest-way-to-get-your-covid-19-vaccine-screenb4vaccine-d8a9b0bb7cbd

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        1. John

          hmm thats interesting as the current concerns on the Astra Zeneca jab are in younger people, which I suppose is why its most concerning as it is not following the expected risks.

          One thing for sure is that this disease is generating enormous amounts of data that scientists will be analysing for years to come.

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      2. Micko

        Yeah not really concerned about the blood clot thing.
        But, some people are.

        And,

        a) if you’ve had covid you don’t need a vaccine and your jab could go to a person who needs it more.

        b) Since we don’t know the long term effects of ANY medicine until an appropriate time as passed, we should proceed cautiously especially when offering any medication to people who may want to have children in the future.

        Seems reasonable to me to test people beforehand. Why take the risk on future generations?

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  2. dodonot

    Engineering scarcity is an old merchant trick (“Anyone for the last few choc-ices now?”)

    There is, however, a fine line between Leo’s salesmanship and Leo’s threats of coercion (Vaccine passports FFS)

    All heath officials and practitioners should be aware that no COVID “vaccine” is an approved medicine and using force, intimidation or coercion to induce people to take part in what amounts to an experimental gene therapy programme is a violation of the Nuremberg Code.

    Also, although “vaccine” manufactures are indemnified from any damage their “vaccines” may cause, the vaccine inoculations (doctors and nurses) enjoy no such indemnity.

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    1. U N M U T U A L

      @dodonot
      Let’s not forget the old… ‘hey look over there everyone… He’s skipping the queue!’…

      As for Leo, our very own Dr. Nick Riviera
      “Hyde everybody!”… ,” we particularly want to focus on the neglected groups, such as the Whipped Group, the Cocooned Group, and the Clot’ohtastic!!!! .”

      Don’t be surprised when they roll out the other classic… Kiddie Pester Power.
      Heart-wrenching stuff.

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  3. Daisy Chainsaw

    Meanwhile sensible women just shrug and say it’s several times LESS dangerous than the pill for blood clots.

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      1. Daisy Chainsaw

        You have a legitimate medical reason and should get the safest vaccine for you without the “back of the queue” balderdash. I’m glad Daddy Chainsaw got the Pfizer vaccine cos he’s had clots too. He had it done at his GP’s who’d know this, as opposed to one of the vaccine centres.

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        1. Hector Rameriz

          I’m sure they’d have a few questions on previous health issues that might conflict with suggested vaccine. But I’m sure we’ll have ‘I’m not giving my medical history to some random person’ crowd coming out soon enough to rail against that idea

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          1. Janet, chatty mammy

            I do hope thorough questions are asked on an individual basis for suitability, even at vaccination centers

    1. GiggidyGoo

      I think I’d take more notice of the sense that Denmark, with its scientific folk, and various other countries are showing, than people that aren’t so well up in the matter.

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      1. Junkface

        I’m surprised Denmark made such a move on the AZ vaccine. I noticed that there are similar rumblings in the USA about the J&J vaccine, which uses the same science behind it, but is a single shot vaccine.

        The mRNA vaccines like Biontech and others have no cancellations or suspensions, and US democrats want to start charging more money for sharing their formulas, during a pandemic!! I suspect some of the reasoning in these vaccine wars is profit, these shareholders want to be filthy rich, they have no ethics.

        I’m going to ask my local doctor can I take the AZ vaccine when my age group is ready.

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  4. eoin

    It’s a wonder he didn’t say the jabs were only for working stiffs…you know…the people Leo gets up for every morning. Dole scum can take their chances with the pox.

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  5. Dr.Fart

    yet another glimpse of how he see’s himself, and how he see’s the public. “my way or the highway” .. such a little dictator. Remember when he was defending his leaking in the Dail and at one point he said he believed he could take certain actions without consulting anyone because he was the Taoiseach. Only when the whole room gasped did he realise that’s not something he should say. But we all know it’s how he sees it and he acts accordingly.

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