For All Mankind

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This afternoon.

Do it.

DO it.

DO IT!

Meanwhile…

Meanwhile…

Good grief.

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32 thoughts on “For All Mankind

  1. Just Sayin

    Year Deaths Population Deaths/Million
    2008 28274 4485100 6303
    2009 28380 4533400 6260
    2010 27961 4554800 6138
    2011 28456 4574900 6220
    2012 29186 4585400 6364
    2013 29504 4593100 6423
    2014 29095 4609600 6311
    2015 29952 4635400 6461
    2016 30390 4673700 6502
    2017 30484 4792490 6360
    2018 31116 4857015 6406
    2019 31134 4921496 6326
    2020 31765 4977443 6381

    No excess death year, in fact deaths below average of previous 5 years.
    Why do I need to be a part of a test for an experimental vaccine?

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    1. SOQ

      Because otherwise you will kill granny- assuming she’s not in a nursing home and has already passed from getting jabbed of course.

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    2. SB

      What about Jan/Feb/Mar 2021? Or is it ok because a lot of the old people would have died before December anyway?

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      1. K. Cavan

        That’s pretty much the definition of “anecdotal evidence” which is pretty much the opposite of “the science”. But regard it as proof of whatever you’re claiming, if you like, even if no-one else will.

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    3. scottser

      a block of numbers means nothing to me; i can’t read the matrix.
      haven’t you got a nice pie chart instead?

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  2. Joe

    Broadsheet is in full hysterical anti-vaxx panic mode judging by its continuous anti- vaxx propaganda posts.
    The anti-vaxx posters and commentators must be experiencing extreme frustration at their total impotence and failure to negatively influence vaccinations.

    Excellent to see the majority of the good citizens of Ireland doing the right and ethical thing in receiving vaccinations.

    It is truly excellent to see the vaccination program working so well across Europe and developed countries.
    Even better when all of the world is vaccinated.

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    1. Micko

      What about the 200k 60-69 year olds who didn’t register in Ireland?

      They said so on Primetime, so it must be true …eh Joe.

      If sure they’ve all registered now though. Pfizer please – no Astra for them ;)

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      1. Oro

        But you acknowledged that older people should be vaccinated – so to rephrase it, would you feel any shame or responsibility at contributing to the lies that have maybe influenced some of the most vulnerable from being vaccinated?

        As the reality is showing, the amount of adults not being vaccinated is small, but as you say there are some in at risk groups not yet vaccinated, leaving them at risk until herd immunity is reached.

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        1. Micko

          No.

          I do not.

          Putin pays me too well

          Feck! – did I say that out loud?

          Inside voice…outside voice…Mick… inside voice.

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    2. Kdoc

      Indeed. I think the problem relates to age: The young anti vaxxers have no memory, or knowledge, of kids struggling to get around in calipers as a result of polio. As a senior citizen I have witnessed the success of various vaccine programmes and I appreciate them. Of course, there were no bogeymen in corporeal form like George Soros or Bill Gates, beloved of the anti everything crowd, around back in the day.

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      1. SOQ

        Young people, meaning teens and early twenties, without other associated conditions, have a minuscule risk of developing serious CoVid-19. It happens but there is plenty of data now to show that it is very uncommon.

        Never in my lifetime have I seen such a campaign to vaccinate those who have little risk of every getting sick in the first place. It does not inoculate against SARS-Cov-2, only reduce the symptoms of Covid-19, and even the efficacy of that is now under question.

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        1. Cian

          @SOQ

          What about the Rubella vaccine?

          This is routinely give to all baby boys and girls in Ireland.
          Why? Rubella isn’t a particularly nasty disease. These boys and girls have little risk of every getting sick in the first place. But there are major campaigns to get them vaccinated.

          Explain that.

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          1. SOQ

            Rubella inoculates- Covid-19 vaccine does not. Otherwise it would be called the SARS-Cov-2 vaccine- Pharma does not make those sorts of mistakes.

            They still can’t explain the menstrual issues- strokes, tremors, clots, heart conditions, skin conditions, DROPPING DEAD- and that is only what we know about so far. And if the antibody dependant priming does actually happen- there will be hell to pay.

            It is grossly irresponsible not to mention illegal to be coercing young people to risk all of that- for next to nothing.

          2. Cian

            more scaremongering SOQ?

            What does “Rubella inoculates- Covid-19 vaccine does not” mean? Do you mean the rubella virus? or the disease. Oh wait, they are called the same. Confusing – huh?

            – The Rubella vaccine inoculates (most) people from getting the rubella disease, and becoming infectious, when they are exposed to the Rubella virus.
            – The Smallpox vaccine inoculates (most) people from getting the smallpox disease, and becoming infectious, when they are exposed to the Variola virus.
            – The Chickenpox vaccine inoculates (most) people from getting the chickenpox disease, and becoming infectious, when they are exposed to the Varicella zoster virus.
            – The Covid-19 vaccine inoculates (most) people from getting the Covid-19 disease, and becoming infectious, when they are exposed to the SARS-CoV-19 virus..

            Look at that – when the virus and disease have different names the vaccine is named after the disease, not the virus.

            Oh, the Covid-19 vaccine(s) do inoculate.

  3. Kdoc

    Indeed. I think the problem relates to age: The young anti vaxxers have no memory, or knowledge, of kids struggling to get around in calipers as a result of polio. As a senior citizen I have witnessed the success of various vaccine programmes and I appreciate them. Of course, there were no bogeymen in corporeal form like George Soros or Bill Gates, beloved of the anti everything crowd, around back in the day.

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    1. Micko

      Kdoc, no one is suggesting that someone of your age shouldn’t get the vaccine.

      Of course you should. Everyone at risk should.

      It’s the giving it to young people that’s the issue. Especially considering that the tech involved had never been approved in use for humans before Dec 2020. We could potentially mess up future generations.

      Your analogy to polio doesn’t really make sense as that vaccine was tested for over a year by Salk and his team and was given to 1.8 million participants before release to the public.

      It was also using technology (ie weakened or dead virus) similar to earlier vaccines

      Thes new ones are brand new. Caution is needed to protect young people.

      We cannot throw the young under the bus to save the old.

      Sorry

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      1. alickdouglas

        So there’s a lot of aul guff that circulates about the ‘Salk’ trial, and it leads to unfortunate expectations for how trials run in the real world. Some details below, but as briefly as I can: there were only 432k vaccinees, and only about half of those got all 3 shots. The rest of the 1.8 million got placebo, or were part of an ‘observational’ section of the trial where no injections were given. The time between first subject recruited and Francis reporting to the press was about a year, but it’s hard to get dates on when dose 1 was given and when the data collection stopped. It seems that for most subjects it was about 6 or 7 months after they received the first shot. I’ve found no evidence that there was any follow up after the press announcement by Francis. Also, it’s really hard to get information about the manner in which safety was followed. Follow up was mainly about asking parents/children what their side effects were, only a tiny fraction of vaccinees had any kind of blood work up and the blood work available then was quite primitive (there were big differences in how data was collected, state by state)

        Why is this important? The notion that ‘the Salk trial was great’ is nonsense, it was heavily flawed, and lest we forget, it didn’t control for the catastrophe that has been christened ‘The Cutter Incident’. Modern trials such as those that we saw for Pfizer are immensely better designed and more powerful (in a statistical and analysis sense) than the ‘Salk trial’. I don’t think they are perfect, and I think that the way in which vaccines are tested and licensed can be epically improved. However there is very little difference in actual terms between how the current batch of COVID vaccines were licensed, and most of the vaccines in the last 10 years were. And *anything* in the last 10 years is immensely better than the ‘Salk’ trial

        If you really want to dive more into the 1954 trial you can refer to: Monto A. Francis Field Trial of Inactivated Poliomyelitis Vaccine: Background and Lessons for Today, Epi Reviews 1999.
        Marks H, THE 1954 SALK POLIOMYELITIS VACCINE FIELD TRIAL 2008, or Paul JR, A history of poliomyelitis 1971 (that last one is good, but tricky to get, the other should be avail via google).

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        1. Micko

          Thanks for that Alick, always good to get a professionals opinion ;)

          Regardless, as shown by the numbers. This disease barely effects young people

          Do you think they should be coerced into taking it now that the elderly are protected?

          Also what’s your opinion on the narcolepsy caused by the Pandemrix vaccine from 2009?

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          1. alickdouglas

            My area of expertise is clinical trials and licensure, I leave policy up to the experts ; D

            The Pandemrix/narcolepsy investigation should be studied carefully by anyone who has an interest in vaccine safety surveillance. Anyone who tells you there is a black and white answer (either that the vaccine is responsible, or is NOT responsible) is talking through their hat. Nobody had an excuse to look surprised when the thromboembolic events signal was detected. The investigation into that should have been handled orders of magnitude better than it was simply because we know that the narcolepsy investigation was so difficult to conduct.

          2. Micko

            “My area of expertise is clinical trials and licensure, I leave policy up to the experts”

            Ah ya chancer – Bullet dodger :0)

            But seriously, what your opinion on it Alick?

            Good idea or bad idea? – considering how little Covid it effect the young.
            (The one saving grace of the whole thing)

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