All This Could Be Yours


This morning.

Fitzwilliam Square, Dublin 2.

Labour candidate for the Dublin Bay South by-election Senator Ivana Bacik lodged her nomination papers with the Dublin City Returning Officer, joined by former Labour TD for the area, Ruairi Quinn, who, as Minister for Education, abolished student loans, removed Catholic patronage of schools, replaced the hated Leaving Cert, did stuff.

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22 thoughts on “All This Could Be Yours

  1. Micko


    A non Covid / Vaccine story from Bodger???

    I’m sure all the heads complaining about his current content will be here any minute to leave interesting and insightful comments.

    Annnny minute now…

    1. Rasta Zeneca

      That’s not fair. 80% of broadsheet stories go with 0 – 1 comments (there’s a reason for that)

      1. Micko

        Ah I’m only joking Rasta

        This has already got more comments than I thought it would – so egg on my face ;)

  2. Tom

    “Removal of Catholic patronage of schools” means that I lose my right as a (taxpaying) parent to choose a school ethos that fits my religious and philosophical beliefs. Yea to pluralism of school ethos for all, and nay to the anti-Catholic spirit of the times.

    1. Cian

      Can you explain what you mean by a school “ethos” please?

      Please give examples of how this “ethos” is different to a Church of Ireland (or Presbyterian) “ethos”; and
      specify how this “ethos” is different to an atheist school “ethos”.


      1. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

        I hear in Catholic schools you are not allowed ask questions just repeat ” yes I’m guilty and the shame the shame ” :) That ethos ?
        What a load of twaddle, here’s to a secular society, keep religion where it belongs, at home or at your chosen place of worship.

        1. newsjustin

          Such an odd belief. That people’s views can only be tolerated in their own homes or prescribed locations where those views are shared.

          1. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

            Where else do you need your religion ? Rammed down other people’s throats, in government, in schools and in hospitals ?

          2. newsjustin

            People’s religious, philosophical, moral views on matters can and should be tolerated in civil society Janet. In fact, they are all the time, that’s why we’re having this conversation.

          3. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

            you didn’t answer my question, where else do you want or need religion ?

        2. Hyper real

          You are 100% correct Janet
          I went to a school with nuns and they were the most twisted, reactionary, bunch of l(€€

      2. Fergalito

        If you want to send your kid to any school that has anything other than a non-religious ethos then shell out for it. Practice your faith on your own dime and your own time.

        In terms of any “anti-Catholic” spirit, I believe this is not entirely true and has echoes of a biblical persecution narrative. Don’t confuse “anti-Catholic” with anti-abuse and all of the other heinous, vile crimes committed across decades and decades in this country. Catholicism was the cloak worn by the perpetrators and facilitators of these abuses and cover-ups. Individuals had free reign to commit physical, mental and ideological abuses. Victims are alive and coping with the trauma left in the aftermath of these crimes. I’ve nothing against anyone and what they choose to believe and practice but to speak to an “anti Catholic” spirit is false and misrepresents my experience and understanding of how, what has come to light continually since the 1990’s, has been processed.

        The old “woe is me” act is a bit thin.

    2. Bitnboxy

      The Roman Church should welcome attempts to divest schools further. Not only is the level of control of the RC church on schools in Ireland unhealthy and unparalleled compared to most other EU states, these schools are barely Roman Catholic in ethos – light-touch by necessity given that they are effective state schools and most parents are cultural RCs. The more secular and pluralist state schools there are, the remaining RC schools can be properly RC and fully inculcate the Roman dogma in students without parental rancour.

      1. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

        it might also stop parents sending Catholics to Protestant schools because of better class numbers, that can’t be what they are after

        1. Bitnboxy

          What I find interesting though is outfits like the Iona “Institue” that are actually pro-divestment of some RC schools. They, well, David Quinn argues for a quicker pace. What Quinn dislikes is the happy-clappy cultural Catholicism of most secondary schools and their attempts to be inclusive. Quinn sees this as inauthentic and dangerous and believes fewer but more properly Roman schools can fully teach Roman ethics with the backing of parents in lockstep behind the school. I actually agree with him (as one very pro-secular state schools). More choice probably equals better choice whether you want an inclusive or strictly religious ethos for your child.

          1. Hyper real

            Oh please do just shut up
            What the fupp are you even saying?
            Do you even know yourself?

      2. newsjustin

        Bishops are on record welcoming divestment. It would solve lots of problems for them and they know it makes sense.

        Most Catholics are realistic and support divestment….in the abstract.

        BUT (and its a big BUT) people don’t like change. Especially when it comes to their child’s education. So ham-fistedly telling a school its gonna change patron, ethos and name goes down like a massive lead balloon. Partly its a fear of change. And partly its that (prepare to be shocked here) an awful lot of parents like things the way they are. That doesn’t mean divestment can’t or shouldn’t happen. But it’s why it’s a tricky process.

        1. Bitnboxy

          What you are not saying is what you should be saying. Most parents aren’t fussed – why – most of these schools are not truly Roman Catholic and their kids aren’t really fed anything too strong in terms of religious dogma. In fact, these schools are barely RC. This is a good thing and the crazies have tried to change matters but to no avail but like the maternity hospital, this bizarre situation is neither healthy for the state nor the religion of the Church of Rome.

          1. newsjustin

            I totally agree with you – most parents aren’t fussed. UNTIL divestment is proposed for their kid’s school. Then many have a habit of getting fussed. It’s human nature.

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