Maternal Instinct [Updated]

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This afternoon.

The Dáil at the Convention Centre.

Earlier…

From top: Statement from St. Vincent’s University Hospital (SVHG)Minister for Health Stephen Donnelly; the Dermatology Department of St. Vincent’s University Hospital – this building currently occupies the site of the new National Maternity Hospital (NMH). St Vincent’s Hospital Group has rejected calls for the government to purchase the site in order to ensure the NMH is fully publicly owned.

This morning.

Via Irish Examiner:

The Health Minister Stephen Donnelly confirmed on RTÉ’s Morning Ireland. that despite a statement last night in which the St Vincent’s Hospital Group (SVHG) said it would not sell the land to the state, a meeting between the state and the religious order has been agreed.

He said:

“The people of Ireland fund St Vincent’s. I think the given that the people of Ireland are owed more respect than to be told by press release by St Vincent’s what is and is not going to happen,”

“The government’s position is the people of Ireland, or the women of Ireland, wants to own the land that their own maternity hospital is built on.

I would very much like to see that facilitated and I think it would be in everyone’s interest if that was.

“I think they should be cognisant and have a bit more respect for the people of Ireland who fund their hospital, I don’t think that’s the way to do business. These conversations need to be held and they need to be held respectfully,”

‘The people of Ireland are owed more respect than to be told by press release’ (Irish Examiner)

Government Needs to Play Hardball With Nuns (Newstalk)

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33 thoughts on “Maternal Instinct [Updated]

  1. Bitnboxy

    What the hell is going on? Peter Boylan and others flagged this glaring issue yonks ago and once again this nonsense rears its ugly head, now with SVHG digging their heels in. Assurances and undertakings are not enough. A mess of gargantuan proportions.

  2. delacaravanio

    State can (and should) CPO golf course next to existing St Vincent’s and get this nonsense over and done with.

    1. goldenbrown

      haha
      whom do you imagine the members are there?
      you’re kidding, right?

      greenfield, M50, it’s supposed to be the “National” Maternity Hospital

      1. Johnny

        CPO is intended to be used as a last resort,here it would result in years of lengthy litigation,given this statement I’m not sure the state would prevail,when “the people of Ireland” are evoked…..

        “The government’s position is the people of Ireland, or the women of Ireland, wants to own the land that their own maternity hospital is built on.“

        We shop for companies / opportunities on the boulevard of broken dreams,it’s littered with cannabis companies,one constant overpaid consultants always involved,this is just too big a deal for this 40 year old virgin.

  3. Johnny

    Stephen as a consultant never did a deal in his life,respect has nothing fo with it,it’s the golden rule.
    He who has the gold,in this case the land,makes the rules,he’s a schmuck.

  4. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

    respect and assurance and promises from the church toward the wemon of Ireland,
    pull the other one it’s got bells on

  5. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

    An Archbishop is automatically chair of the current National Maternity Hospital board. This means that no woman can ever be in the top seat. That cannot continue with the new hospital, which MUST be publicly owned and secular.
    Rally at the Dáil, 26th June, 1 pm. #MakeNMHOurs

    1. newsjustin

      To be fair, the last Archbishop of Dublin wrote in 2007 to Mary Harney(!) To tell her he had no wish to be Chair and has never attended a meeting. The Chair isn’t even listed on their website (just the Deputy Chair).

      1. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

        to be fair he won’t hold the position for ever and a predecessor may not feel the same

        1. newsjustin

          That fella has retired now and his successor shows no sign of being any different. That’s just by-the-by anyway. Clearly nobody actually wants the ABp to be Chair but he hasn’t been excused from the role.

        1. Paulus

          It’s an extraordinary situation to have arisen. Church control of schools is bad enough, but at least that has the excuse of being an historical legacy.
          Here they’re starting fresh from scratch and still can’t seem to get it sorted.

          1. newsjustin

            But they’re not starting from scratch. That’s the whole point. The Govt are planning to construct the NMH on a site owned, directly or indirectly, by a religious order. That’s not really the religious order’s fault.

          2. Paulus

            I meant starting from scratch when project was conceived, (hah), i.e. before any site had been considered.

          3. Lilly

            Cut the nuns out of the equation, this can’t go ahead on this site. Everything Peter Boylan warned us about will come to fruition.

  6. Johnny

    Respect is earned,not given,I like most rational people hold McKinsey employees and x partners like Steve in contempt for their ‘criminal’ acts or at least contempt for their role in the opioid crisis.

    If I was conducting any type negotiations and a MF started with this R E S P E C T poopa-loopa,espically a 40 year old white deal virgin,I’m out,so fast,gone,we never met,no no no,it’s not for sale ever,no no no tootle-oo I’m never selling it to you ever….

    — New York City and 21 of New York’s counties on Tuesday announced a lawsuit against consulting firm McKinsey & Company, accusing the company of contributing to the opioid crisis by helping create strategies to increase prescription drug sales.

    https://apnews.com/article/ny-state-wire-opioids-business-305a3b1e214be1ddcfa26e533aa36e97

  7. Daisy Chainsaw

    I wouldn’t believe a word from nuns when they can hide behind lies of omission to get around anything. Either CPO them or find a new site. No more religious interference in health matters, they’ve already done way too much damage.

    1. newsjustin

      Might be better to find another site. The nuns can sell their site for a fortune then. That’ll show them.

      1. Daisy Chainsaw

        Let them sell it! It is their land, after all. Theyll have millions of euros to play with to make up for the fact that they can no longer dictate medical policy.

  8. Johnny

    ….why not a green field site after the fiasco of the children’s hospital,Ireland could raise the bonds on the capital markets to kick start a project line this,locate it in a ‘strategic zone’.
    Add in some badly need educational facilities.

    ‘It’s been called a new chapter in Orlando’s history. The 650-acre health and life sciences park known as Lake Nona Medical City is a landmark for Orlando and a premier location for medical care, research and education. Carefully planned and laid out, Lake Nona Medical City represents a deliberate strategy to create a centralized focus of sophisticated medical treatment, research and education in Central Florida.‘

    http://www.cityoforlando.net/economic/lake-%20nona-medical-city/

  9. Ronan

    What could have been saved, one wonders, in terms of costs, lives, and time by having a co-located NMH, NCH, and National Obstetrics centre of excellence on a greenfield site?

    One new build campus, around the m50, with no religious ethos, with integrated care for:
    1. Women who need support trying to conceive
    2. Women who are expecting with complications
    3. Women with high risk pregnancies
    4. Women seeking options for medical/genetic/personal reasons
    5. Rapid transfer of premature/term babies with complications to state of the art children’s facilities
    6. Rapid transfer of expectant and new mothers with acute care needs to state of the art obstetrics care and after care thereafter.
    7. Equally accessibly to people around Dublin, with best case transfer times for those outside of it.

    The key spine left out of this is vessel/incubator – sorry, I mean, mother. If the care of mothers was present at the forefront of thinking, we’d never have these two national centres of importance an uncomfortable drive apart across city streets.

      1. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

        ah news
        5:21 (King James version): “Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not.” : :

        1. newsjustin

          Can you give more details on how the Government are afraid of the political power of the Church on this matter (what I take “belt of the crozier” to mean)?

          1. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

            I’d say it’s more a case of learning to unbend the knee, once you’ve been down there a while it’s hard to get up

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