‘We’re Coming Down The Age Cohorts’

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This morning.

Brussels, Belgium.

Taoiseach Micheál Martin has said there would be no additional supplies of mRNA vaccines in July and that emphasis now was to expand the vaccination roll-out ‘through younger age cohorts’ with AstraZeneca and Johnson and Johnson doses.

Via RTÉ:

Mr Martin said there was “some research going on” in terms of mixing of vaccines, and that he had spoken to the Chief Medical Officer about administering vaccines to younger age groups.

He said: “Operationally what we’ve been doing has been very effective and very efficient, coming down through the age cohorts, [with] very high uptake rates.

“And I know that the Chief Medical Officer…indicated to me that he would be engaging with NIAC in respect of the application for administering vaccines in terms of age restrictions and particularly the context of AstraZeneca, and Janssen (Johnson & Johnson), and that would really broaden the portfolio of vaccines available for July and August,” he told reporters on day two of an EU summit.”

Vaccines needed for younger cohorts quicker – Taoiseach (RTÉ)

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41 thoughts on “‘We’re Coming Down The Age Cohorts’

  1. freewheeling

    This is inexcusable – administering vaccines based solely on available supplies, to cohorts they are currently not authorised for (due to higher prevalence of AZ clotting in those age groups). Watch Holohon get the authorisation conditions changed. Medical malpractice of the highest order. Again.

    1. SOQ

      Well yeah but on the other side I have kind of got to the point where if for their age groups some people are so ignorant of the risks- then so be it.

      Its not like they side effects are not all over social media or anything- you’d need to be living under a rock not to see them. I know it is more visual than most injuries, but the videos of people having seizures is absolutely horrific.

      1. Bitnboxy

        Sources for the mass horrific side-effects please? Glibly stating “shur it’s everywhere” – rather convenient, no?

        1. SOQ

          Oh here we go again- you do know how to use a search engine now don’t you?

          Nobody has a responsibly to educate on such matters- go check EudraVigilance and openVAERS.

          1. Bitnboxy

            SOQ – I’ll need a bit more evidence than “Google it” and “lockdownsceptics.com” below .

            I have Googled all the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration who are all anti-lockdown. You will admit you have quoted them widely and approvingly in the past. Interestingly, all of them are pro-vaccination and promote them. No mention from Prof. Gupta (an icon of yours) of any mass side effects. So, what has changed?!

          2. SOQ

            If you bothered to read the link below you would see that the figures are a summary of https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting ? GOVERNMENT FIGURES- but you didn’t now did you?

            As for the rest of you ramble- I am not ant vax, not even these ones. I am however against placing people at risk of injury who are not at risk of Covid-19. And again, if you bothered to do your research you would see that is quite close to Sunetra Gupta’s position.

            She, like a number of other commentators on another thread here today, has been arguing that on a global basis- high risk vulnerable people should be vaccinated first.

            To my knowledge she has not made any statements on the rest, but I very much doubt she would be in favour of vaccinating people whom are unlikely to get sick from CoVid-19 in the first place.

          3. Bitnboxy

            Hold on there now!

            I am still waiting for evidence of what you claim is “mass, horrific side-effects”. Gupta as you allude does not consider vaccines unsafe. What I am not getting is any serious evidence about mass side effects you glibly trot out above.

            My problem with your posts is the hyperbole. You can’t help yourself sometimes. I don’t know why you do this, as it simply destroys every other point you make even if there is actually a good point there. I feel like I always need a filter when I read your posts.

          4. SOQ

            If you bothered to read the link below you would see that the figures are a summary of https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting ? GOVERNMENT FIGURES= but you didn’t now did you?

            As for the rest of you ramble- I am not ant vax, not even these ones. I am however against placing people at risk of injury who are not at risk of Covid-19. And again, if you bothered to do your research you would see that is quite close to Sunetra Gupta’s position.

            She, like a number of other commentators on another thread here today, has been arguing that on a global basis- high risk vulnerable people should be vaccinated first. To my knowledge she has not made any statements on the rest, but I very much doubt she would be in favour of vaccinating people whom are not going to get sick from CoVid-19 in the first place.

          5. SOQ

            Actually “Gupta” has reservations about vaccines as any intelligent person would- but she plays a political game because that’s academic funding for you.

            You are reverting to the usual ad hominem when beaten- so we’ll leave it there.

          1. SOQ

            Key Summary of Adverse Events for UK Yellow Card reporting ALONE- and that is only up to 20th May which is over a month ago. The total number of fatalities reported is 1,178

            Acute Cardiac events = 8,858
            Anaphylaxis = 946
            Blood Disorders = 11,409
            Migraine = 7,547
            Eye Disorders = 12,762
            Blindness = 212
            Psychiatric Disorders = 15,926
            Spontaneous Abortions/Miscarriage= 135
            Abdominal Pain = 9,346
            Facial Paralysis incl. Bell’s Palsy = 915
            Disturbances in Consciousness = 10,874
            Strokes and CNS haemorrhages = 1605
            Guillain Barre Syndrome = 253
            Tremor = 9,404
            Thrombosis & Embolism (All types) = 4,347
            Seizures = 1,786
            Paralysis = 668
            Haemorrhage (All types) = 2,616
            Vertigo/Tinnitus (Inner Ear) = 5,391
            Reproductive/Breast = 5,099

            https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/05/23/vaccine-safety-update-2/

      2. Joe

        If you are gullible enough to believe the mis-information and lies on social media that the anti-vaxxers pollute it with!

        This link displays an epileptic seizure (not caused by vaccination) and debunks the same widely shared video that the anti- vaxxers lie and wrongfully claim is caused by vaccination
        https://www.boomlive.in/world/fake-news-covid-19-vaccine-side-effects-seizure-12275

        Highlights more garbage from anti-vaxxers and debunks their lies
        https://www.wired.com/story/they-claimed-the-covid-vaccine-made-them-sick-and-went-viral/

        Highlights more garbage from anti-vaxxers and debunks their lies about seizures
        https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-262998603187

        And other supposed vaccine side effects garbage anti-vaxxer mis-information debunked by Reuter’s
        https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-bells-palsy-photo-idUSKBN28O2WD

          1. Tony

            Eh Bodge i believe the burden of proof is on you to show how Reuters, AP, Boom and Wired are ‘heavily pharma funded’

            Someone put the kettle on.

          2. Bodger

            The Thomson Reuters Foundation has accepted funding from the Novartis drug company (https://www.trust.org/media-development/opportunities/?sfid=a053z00000sw3RgAAI&sfProgId=a15D0000018EzjZIAS&areaOfFocus=Climate%20Change,%20Environment%20&%20Resilience&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=MediaDev%20Health%20reporting&utm_content=MediaDev%20Health%20reporting+CID_da45b07d6cd9fdb8c0ecbf7901b22caf&utm_source=Campaign%20Monitor)

            AP, owned by Hearst, is actually in the health business (https://www.zynxhealth.com/news-resources/news-item/hearst-corporation-announces-formation-hearst-health/ heavily and also involved with the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation

            Wired owners Conde Naste are in bed with pharma https://www.condenasthealth.com/ and rely on their ad dollars https://www.fiercepharma.com/marketing/conde-nast-s-digital-healthfront-buying-plan-hit-home-for-pharma-looking-to-shift-dollars

            I’ll come back to you on the Boom Live guy.

          3. Aon Duine

            Broadsheet is funded by Google. You still try to give what you think is honest and helpful information. What’s your point?

            If you have evidence that a particular pharmaceutical company sponsored any of those articles, please do us all a favour and print the details.

          4. Tony

            ah now Mutey I’m not sour. It’s so rare for Bodge to be accountable for his woo (thanks Bodge!) but I’m seeing nothing that proves any of those media are compromised by pharma. Just the usual 2+2=q.

            A small drop of organic soy milk there is fine

        1. SOQ

          People who consent to having videos of their injuries posted on social media, usually by family members- or in some cases by themselves- are not antivaxxers if they have already taken it?

          Actually on second thoughts- they probably are now.

          1. Daisy Chainsaw

            What kind of family member’s first thought is to record a seizure? Filming someone you supposedly love as they release the contents of their bladder and bowels to pwn big pharma is a bit on the perverse side.

          2. SOQ

            As far as I know seizures don’t always mean what you describe- but if you look at the list of injuries above, you will see there is seizures and tremors- I am not sure what the visual difference between those two is mind.

            As for the motivation to record and post such goes- I get that. They are trying to warn others. And, I expect, they are angry- a righteous anger- which we would all feel if it happened to one of our own.

            An anger which is heightened by the deafening silence from the media of course. They are being told to shut up and stay quiet- when even the doctors don’t really know what is going on.

            An awful situation to be in.

          3. Daisy Chainsaw

            Angry enough to humiliate your pee and poo stained relative by putting footage on youtube. Yikes.

          4. SOQ

            You are actually judging people who have nowhere else to turn but social media in order to find out why they are having such symptoms? That’s a new low in sneering, even for you Daisy- so much for left wing politics eh?

            And what about those who are posting their own symptoms eh? What about those who have been told by their doctors they are not sure why and not sure if such will be permanent?

            Get off you high horse darlin because there for the grace of God goes any of us.

          5. Daisy Chainsaw

            Turning to social media to diagnose health issues? Yes I sneer because that’s beyond stupidity, but exactly the kind of thing attention seeking idiots do.

      3. Micko

        Ah round and round we go. “Anti-vaxer” “sheeple” Whatever your poison.

        Comere…

        How’s about we fully open up the country when we reach the stage that there’s more people in NPHET then there is in hospital with Covid.

        Coz we’re not far of it lads. ;)

        Making dopes of us all they are.

  2. eoin

    No additional supplies of mRNA jabs? Wonder why? Would it be down to the fact that anyone who’s had the Pfizer jab is producing 5x less core antibodies when it comes to fighting off any new viral infection? Meaning you will need booster shots for life. So that’s why the pharma companies insisted on waivers of responsibility.
    Even the Indo ran a story on this weeks ago.

    https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/pfizer-vaccine-recipients-have-lower-antibodies-targeting-delta-variant-study-40501371.html

    1. Cian

      I advise you all to read that linked article.

      Because eoin’s summary is almost completely wrong.

      1. f_lawless

        Can I ask you a question Cian – and Joe too – what is your opinion on the following scenario:

        an individual – who happens to be in relatively good health- decides that they want to hold off on getting a Covid vaccine at this current point in time and not before they personally feel that they have a clearer picture about their own risk-benefit ratio. Do you think they are entitled to take such a stance?

        1. Cian

          I’ll think about that. Can I ask you a similar scenario (actually it is the same scenario for a different vaccine):

          An individual that has a baby (who happens to be in relatively good health) decides that they want to hold off on getting their baby’s MMR vaccine at this current point in time and not before they personally feel that they have a clearer picture about their own baby’s risk-benefit ratio. Do you think they are entitled to take such a stance?

          1. Micko

            Just to point out, the MMR vaccine has been in use since before I was born. Early 1970’s I think.

            Scientists are fully aware of any long term complications.

            The two are not compatible Cian

          2. K. Cavan

            Cian, Measles & Coronaviruses are not in any way equivalent, the virions are very different & Measles is easily tested for by looking for Syncitia in oral swabs, under a normal microscope. Like Sars02, it was not very dangerous, with a fatality rate of 0.2% but it is highly infectious & health authorities had access to an easily-produced Immunisation Vaccine, using attenuated live virions, which had very few side-effects, unlike Coronaviruses & there was no pandemic, as is claimed for Sars02.
            There was a campaign to eliminate it, because it was easily done, with very little risk, so nobody would have a problem working out a risk/benefit ratio.

          3. Cian

            @Micko & K
            I know MMR is older and better known *cough* autism *cough* – it might change the cost-benefit ratio. But that doesn’t change the scenario.
            The benefit of MMR isn’t huge. The cost isn’t huge.

        2. Cian

          Since vaccinations aren’t mandatory: yes they are “entitled” to take that stance.
          And yes people should make an informed decision (listen to experts not youtubers).

          If I were high-risk the best outcome for me is to take the vaccine. The benefit of not getting Covid outweighs the (low) risk of a serious side-effect.

          If I were low-risk and totally selfish the absolute best outcome for me is that everyone else in the world takes the vaccine and I don’t. Everyone else takes the risk (and because they all get vaccinates and Covid disappears) I get the benefit. Hurrah!

          But if everyone acts totally in their own self interest then we can’t end up in a scenario where “everyone except me gets the vaccine”.

          Another consideration is that vaccines aren’t designed to only protest the individual. We take vaccines to protest others as well. Looking at it that way the risk-benefit ratio changes. The risk remains static (there is the same risk to me in taking it) but the benefits increases – it is now both for me AND for others.

          The best outcome for society as a whole is for everyone to get vaccinated (and to do so as quickly as possible).

          To answer: People can sit on their decision to vaccinate or not as long as (a) they are using reliable sources (b) have the wisdom to apply the knowledge get from sources, and (c) their decision doesn’t slow down the vaccine rollout. [what I mean is if all 3million unvaccinated people in Ireland suddenly said “I want to think about it” and there was a gap in the rollout]….

          …but I’ll still judge them.

          1. K. Cavan

            People who decide to take the mRNA treatments should also be sure they are well-informed, which is definitely not the case in any individual I know who has taken the injections, not a single one has the slightest clue what they are being injected with, they think it’s a Vaccine.
            If you’re relying on the Legacy Media for information, well barely 25% of what they’ve said or printed is accurate, as far as I can see but much worse than that, they have repeatedly lied and continue to lie, directly & by excluding information, on extremely important factors. They are interested mostly in keeping their outdated economic model afloat by taking money from interested, wealthy parties & will just turn to reporting the tsunami of deaths, as if it has nothing to do with them, should that occur…

    2. paval

      Look, none of what you said is true. Even a casual reading of your link explains the reduction in effectiveness is against the Delta variant vs the original variant and not *any* viral infection. There are no additional supplies because of the accelerated delivery of planned Q3 stock into Q2. This site is getting worse by the day.

      1. Fergalito

        Eoin is a pretender who pushes codswallop and doesn’t engage unlike other more sincere posters on this site. That is my opinion anyway, i’d just scroll on by.

  3. Mr. T

    CDCs recent updates show incidence of myocarditis in younger people between 10 and 200 times the background “expected” level in vaccine recipients, depending on age group.

    By all means vaccinate the old and vulnerable, but forcing it on younger cohorts is dangerous

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