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  1. E'Matty

    This has been known since Spring of 2020 but our media deliberately failed to report properly on it, and the Covid zealots refused to listen to any criticism of their beloved rulers. 85% of deaths in wave 1 were in nursing and Care Homes. It was these deaths the government, NPHET and the media have used to terrorise the populace into submission. The State engaged in a deliberate act with foreseen consequences that resulted in the deaths of our elderly. They then used these deaths to engage in their psychological terror campaign against the people to soften us up as they strip us of our liberties, expand State (and therefore theirs) Power, seek to assert the right to control any and every aspect of human life, crush small and medium businesses in favour of the corporate titans (take note Paul Murphy you sneaky goon), destroy rural communities and encourage us all to live digitally, socially isolated lives, all to protect us from deaths they actively participated in creating.

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    1. Nigel

      What are you talking about? Nobody ‘used’ those deaths, the government and the HSE were instantly blamed for most of those deaths, which were regarded by almost everyone as completely avoidable. Whether they end up being held responsible is another matter, I’ll grant you, but nobody saw those deaths as anything other than scandalous. CHRIST.

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      1. E'Matty

        They formed 85% of deaths in wave 1!! It was these exact deaths that were used to terrorise the public at that time. If they had not engaged in this act, the death rate would likely have been considerably lower and less useful for terrorising the people of Ireland.

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        1. Nigel

          And they were unnecessary and everyone said so and blamed the government and HSE. They highlighted the danger of the virus running through the population and the consequences of screwing up the pandemic response, but that wasn’t their ‘purpose’ FFS. We weren’t terrorised by covid, we were terrified the bloody government was going to screw it up leading to more unnecessary deaths, yknow, like the UK when they experimented with natural immunity and killed thousands.

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          1. E'Matty

            they acted like we had the Black Death running wild in the community!! We were all locked down and warned of the dangers yet, the community wasn’t ever under any real threat. How many deaths arose in the Community? The deaths were almost exclusively this elderly cohort, especially in these homes, as expected. Had they properly protected the Care Homes (and certainly not engaged in criminal negligence), this pandemic would have sailed on by and wave 1 would have been barely noticeable. Transmission in the general community is not a threat, and is certainly nothing justifying this hysteria riddled nonsense we are being fed day after day. Transmission in nursing and care homes is a threat, because those people are vulnerable to every bloody virus going every winter and indeed, all year round.

            Those elderly and vulnerable are now vaccinated, yet these gangsters want to segregate society. For what? There is now no danger of mass deaths justifying any of this ultra authoritarian behaviour. Oh, but what about a variant, they say. “Mutant variants” all media sang in chorus togther, clearly following the script assigned. Feeding us never ending nonsense and always selling fear fear fear. They have sold us nothing but fear, no solution but lockdowns and vaccines always the prime objective. Half the country are convinced the plague is at their door and due to this hysteria are behaving irrationally and demanding the State protect their weak, feeble and pathetic little selves. Oh, but they virtue signal as they do so, becuase, well, they just care so so very much for others, pfftt.

            People like you give these criminals a blank cheque day after day, always defending their gangster behaviour, attacking and vilifying anyone who dare question these mfs who played such a pivotal role in the deaths of so many elderly people and then used the deaths they helped create to attack our personal freedoms and Constitutional Rights. Hitler didn’t throw Germany into darkness on his own, nor did Stalin do the same to the Soviet Union all by himself. All tyrannical regimes rely heavily on quisling types and those who doff the cap to authority without fail. You are the faciltators for these criminals responsible for those deaths and the destruction of liberal society.

          2. Nigel

            This is babble. They locked down for so hard and so long because they neglected proper pandemic preparedness. They locked down care homes really, really badly. They developed vaccinations. Vaccinations protect the majority when enough people have been vaccinated to generate herd immunity. Most of the rest is your imagination. I asked you for proof of the calculated plan to murder old folks to scare the populace, by the way.

        2. K. Cavan

          Well Said, E’Matty, you have called it as it happened, The Truth. Nigel’s parroting of The Narrative in the face of your plain speaking merely serves to underline the veracity & seriousness of your words & the horrifying reality they describe.
          What makes the truth of your words undeniable is that exactly the same process occurred first in New York, then across Canada & numerous other locations, Elderly people were deliberately exposed to a virus that was deadly to them & them alone, by psychopaths, posing as politicians & public servants, in order to expedite their plan to terrorise the general population into obedience to the ludicrous, unscientific ”mask / distancing / lockdown / injection” regime.
          While it may be true that many of the perpetrators of this mass murder were rabbits caught in the headlights, people without the ability to lead or even think, never mind make a decision, incompetence is no excuse, neither is ignorance, stupidity or any of the other flaws that occupy the spot where their brains should be.

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          1. Nigel

            I do find myself feeling like a bit of parrot, because I have to keep asking the same thing over and over to no very good response: where is the evidence that this was A Plan?

  2. John F

    Sadly this conversation will ultimately lead to very very dark place.
    From a cold, calculating perspective, to sell the lockdown narrative and promote mass fear among the public huge numbers of deaths would be needed. What better way to achieve it than putting loads of medically compromised old people on top of each other in nursing homes.
    Given that this decision came from officials in the HSE, one could never rule out straight up incompetence.
    In any event, people need to be held to account.

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    1. Nigel

      So you are saying that our government deliberately mis-managed nursing homes to maximise the number of deaths in order to generate fear over a virus that, otherwise, would be, what, more or less harmless? Do you have any sense of how messed-up that accusation is? Bad enough it happened the way it did without adding this evil nonsense to muddy the waters.

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      1. E'Matty

        Yes, that is precisely what they did, just like they did in New York, Sweden and other places where clearly the policy was aimed at getting some deaths out of a virus that is not particularly deadly to anyone but the very frail and elderly. They literally focused on the one cohort who could provide their death count. These Psychopaths are happy to sacrifice elderly people. There’s a new world being built, don’t you know? Sacrifices must be made, and for this shower of predators, it’s only the beginning. There’s a reason the Malthusian overpopulation myth has become so prevalent on social media these past few years. People like you seem to know absolutely nothing about elite idelogy and beliefs.

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          1. ce

            You have to laugh really… anyways –

            I don’t think there was a big conspiracy, just run of the mill incompetence and institutional inflexibility to fix things as they spiraled out of control – I look forward to when you are running the show, and all will be well…

            I’m sure your department for “Putting Them Up Against A Wall” will bring great glory to the revolution

        1. Nigel

          ‘They literally focused on the one cohort who could provide their death count.’

          Fine. Prove to me that it was an intentional act of mass murder rather than medical mass-manslaughter not just here but everywhere it happened and I’ll turn up at the Phoenix Park waving an anti-NWO placard.

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          1. Nigel

            I’m talking about proving an actual deliberate policy of crowding vulnerable people together in homes to generate mass deaths to fighten the population, not standard Tory cost-cutting healthcare bastardry.This is horrifying, but no surprise coming from the ‘natural immunity-curious’ Boris and Co. If DNR orders are part of the deliberate mass murder policy, they come at the end, not the beginning when this was supposedly proposed and planned and carried out, and it should be possible to connect them to the wider alleged mass-murdering policy.

            Of course, when you think about it, the Tories went for the same mass murdering natural immunity policy advocated by SOQ and the GBD literally causing thousand of unnecessary deaths on top of the nursing home deaths,but the nursing hime deaths are part of a conspiracy, the natural immunity deaths… not?

          2. GiggidyGoo

            Not what you said above Nigel.
            ‘Fine. Prove to me that it was an intentional act of mass murder rather than medical mass-manslaughter not just here but everywhere it happened and I’ll turn up at the Phoenix Park waving an anti-NWO placard.’

            And when the proof is put before you….
            Changes to

            ‘I’m talking about proving an actual deliberate policy of crowding vulnerable people together in homes to generate mass deaths to fighten the population’

          3. Nigel

            The DNR orders are certainly mass murder to my mind, but ‘an actual deliberate policy of crowding vulnerable people together in homes to generate mass deaths to frighten the population’ was what E’matty was proposing, and not just in ireland and the UK,

          4. Nigel

            Any proof in any of those that there was deliberate policy to murder old folks to drive up the numbers to scare the populace? Because that was the claim.

          5. E'Matty

            Prove it? hey doctor, we have a virus that is circulating in the country that is very dangerous to the elderly. Oh right, lets gather those elderly together, not test them, and put them untested back into the care homes all together like a petri dish. That should definitely work out well. A child can see the flaw in this policy. Health practitioners certainly would. This was a deliberate policy to get a death count. Had they not done this, no wave 1 in ireland, no justification for attacking our personal freedoms. But yeah, people like just love to trust power. Then you feign shock horror when in a few years such crimes are exposed. They are obvious at the time too!! You’re the parishioner who knows Father Murphy likes kids but ignores it. Any suggestion that Father Murphy isn’t alone and that paedophilia is rife in the Church met by you with mocking scorn and sneers. That’s the role your kind always play in history.

      2. K. Cavan

        Yes, Nigel, that’s exactly what happened & you know it. Of course, these people are idiots who were only following orders but that excuse is of no consequence in the face of the seriousness of the charges levelled against them, a pathetic fig-leaf of incompetence is not an acceptable excuse, not now, not ever.
        You can carelessly drop a glass, you cannot use the same excuse for even a single person’s death.
        Incompetence gets you struck off, prosecuted, jailed, not excused.

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        1. Nigel

          I’m all in favour of striking off, prosecuting, jailing the people responsible. I am not prepared to believe that it was all part of a plan unless evidence to that effect is presented.

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  3. ce

    Definitely incompetence – or maybe lizards ….

    “In any event, people need to be held to account.” – may the vulnerable continued to be protected by your freedom fighting and may the sun continue to shine out of your all knowing unsullied bum…

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    1. E'Matty

      ah yeah, you lads always like to let them off with the auld “incompetence trick”. The Church only moved that priest from parish to parish due to incompetence. \No way was it official policy. They couldnt be that evil.

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  4. Cian

    You mean the HSE realised that a wave of Covid would fill the hospitals, so decided to move the most at risk out of the hospitals?

    How dare they pre-emptively empty the hospitals in preparation for the wave of covid hospitalisations? They should have left them in the Covid-filled wards.

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        1. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

          we are a country of incredibly capable people managed by the incredibly incapable, it is bewildering

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        1. Slave to the Rhythm

          Why do I get the feeling you haven’t paid an ounce of tax yourself in years Micko Wallace?

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    1. E'Matty

      so, let’s create this ultra high risk situation with those most vulnerable to the virus and then…not test them? Ah, seems like an honest mistake. Could happen to anyone. Oops, forgot my wallet, oops, forgot to get them vulnerable elderly tested before cramming them all back into homes with one another, oh well…my bad…

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    2. K. Cavan

      Cian,
      At the highest point of ”Covid Hospitalizations”, in mid-February, 2021 a total of 17% of our hospital beds were occupied by ”Covid Victims” (deliberately mislabelled Influenza victims, of course).
      By the end of February, this number had dropped off a cliff & The Narrative began it’s slow unravelling.
      The beds the elderly were moved from were NEVER required, in 2020 our hospitals had the lowest bed occupancy rates since records began.
      Stop spewing out your emotive spume and face the facts & the figures.

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  5. Micko

    If we all can agree that for whatever “reason” we failed to save the vulnerable, then once again – what was the point of it all?

    Why are we carrying on with this charade if hardly anyone is dying now?

    If the US have accepted that now, after the majority of the vulnerable are vaccinated, they are continuing to lose 0.0001% of their population daily (about 600 people daily)

    Can we not do the same? We do it for other things. Why not Covid?

    I’d be happy to let the same percentage a day die of we get back to normal life.

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    1. Nigel

      Believe it or not some vulnerable people survived. They’re not all dead. Really.

      And I’m not sure 600 people a day in one country by the same cause is ‘hardly anyone.’ I’m fecking appalled that you would suggest it is.

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      1. Micko

        Sorry there Nigel. .

        Are you suggesting that we do away with death?

        At the cost of our society. Are you mad?

        There has to be an acceptable amount of people we acknowledge will die from every disease.

        This is what “living with Covid” means, same as every other disease we live with. We try our best, but accept that some will die.

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        1. ce

          “This is what “living with Covid” means, same as every other disease we live with. We try our best, but accept that some will die.”… and by trying our best you mean make sure that you don’t have to do anything… protect the vulnerable, lock ’em up so we can all go to the pub!

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        2. Nigel

          ‘This is what “living with Covid” means’

          It’s what living with covid with a chunk of society who refuse to be vaccinated means.

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          1. Micko

            Do you think we should potentially risk the health of young people and future generations to save old people?

            Especially when the old and vulnerable are vaccinated.

          2. Nigel

            I think mass vaccination is the only way to protect all of society from covid 19, present and future.

          3. Micko

            “ I’d say 80% of adults ought to do it.”

            Cool.

            What year did you get your degree in Science / virology?

          4. Nigel

            Are you saying you haven’t seen this explained by people who have degrees in science/virology? No wonder you act so confused.

          5. Micko

            Are YOU saying you haven’t seen the exact OPPOSITE advice explained by people who have degrees in science/virology?

            Plus, how does it feel to have the “are you a doctor?” bit used back at ya.

            Bet it sucks eh?

          6. Nigel

            ‘Are YOU saying you haven’t seen the exact OPPOSITE advice explained by people who have degrees in science/virology?’

            I have never seen someone with a degree in science/virlogy who was unable to explain herd immunity through mass vaccination. It’s pretty basic science/virology stuff. The exact OPPOSITE would be not acheiving herd immunity through vaccination but presumably through infection of the population at large, which, again anyone with a degree in science/virology can explain, but very bloody few advocate.

            ‘Plus, how does it feel to have the “are you a doctor?” bit used back at ya. ‘

            I don’t know I’ve never used it. How was it for you?

          7. General Public

            Have you got a link for herd immunity through vaccination, and don’t use polio as it’s still alive and well in certain countries and the vaccine was only 50 to 60% effective..

          8. K. Cavan

            Your refusal to comprehend the very nature of illness, life, death, none of this excuses your use of Bio-Fascist nonsense like ”refuse to be vaccinated”, how dare you try to blame any group within society for the results of a virus & it’s effect on an incompetent Government & State apparatus, you charlatan!
            Your statement is totalitarianism, defined, punishing everyone for something that has nothing to do with anyone, seeking to victimise & ”other” some minority, the act of an out-and-proud Nazi.
            Nazis turn my stomach, Nigel.
            We can lose 3,000 people in Ireland, annually, from Septicemia, which develops into Sepsis, you simply have no understand of the statistics of Mortality.
            Within EU Mortality Statistics, no deaths of an over-65 is regarded as Premature & that’s 93% of those alleged to have died here, from Covid.
            The Median Age of these unfortunates was 1.5 years OLDER than our Average Life Expectancy.
            Over the last half-dozen years or so we have reduced Over-85 Mortality by 16%, we kept these people alive, we didn’t cure them of old age & it’s infirmities.
            Yet you drone on, childishly refusing to engage with any facts, while attempting to generate a fake ”Common-sense guy” persona.
            Your joke isn’t funny, anymore.
            Please stop.

      2. Cian

        @Micko
        600 people a day x 365 days = 219,000 people!
        US usually has <3,000,000 deaths/year
        219,000 is 7.3% of their deaths.

        I’d be happy to let the same percentage a day die of we get back to normal life.
        Ireland has 30,000/deaths per year, 7.3% would be, pro rata 2,190. Or 6 per day.

        It has been 500 days since March 2020; or 3000.

        Micko is willing to sacrifice 3,000 people (just the old and sick ones I’m sure) – so he can get “back to normal”.

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        1. Micko

          “ Micko is willing to sacrifice 3,000 people”

          Well actually I worked it out at about 1850 a year would die. But let’s not split hairs about it ;)

          Also, what’s with the “look everyone Micko is willing to let people die” bit

          Are you 8?

          Human beings live and die. Grow the fupp up.

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          1. Nigel

            I’m not sure I’m quite willing to give up the more life-enhancing, protecting, extending developments of civilisation just because Micko doesnt like them and thinks people should be allowed to die.

          2. Micko

            Yeah. Whatever.

            I’ll ask you again

            Are you suggesting that we do away with death?

            Are you willing to accept NO deaths from Covid?

          3. Nigel

            Doing away with death? What are you ON about? Of COURSE I think we should do away with death, I just don’t think we’re quite there yet, scientifically.

            I think it’s a bit late for a zero covid policy, to be honest, and with a section of society actively creating conditions for its spread, at least among their subgroup, that’s proabably not going to happen. i think the policy of herd immunity through mass vaccinaion remains the most viable policy, as I think I’ve told you several times. I really don’t know what’s so confusing to you about that.

          4. Micko

            “ Of COURSE I think we should do away with death”

            I’m going to assume that you’re joking there.

            Because I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt that you’re intelligent enough to realise that death is a important part of the human condition and that you’ve actually spent more than 5 fupping mins thinking about what our society would look like with no death.

          5. Nilbert

            ‘are you 8’, ‘grow up’, ‘grow a pair’. ‘don’t be a child’

            You really are outdoing yourself today.

            I always felt you just had difficulties understanding the situation, but this hysterical childish reaction… CALM DOWN KAREN!

          6. Micko

            “ Micko and Harold Shipman, a match made in heaven.”

            And Joe Biden too.

            He’s the one lifting all the restrictions in the states and willing to accept the daily deaths.

          7. Nigel

            I’m not saying it wouldn’t be a wee bit of a gamechanger, if it ever came about.

            ‘And Joe Biden too.’

            I think in the US states are in charge of lifting or imposing their own restrictions, not the President. Correct me if I’m wrong.

          8. ce

            I’m 98-99% sure that states are in charge of all restriction rules, with the exception of properties/installations owned or operated by the Federal Government

          9. General Public

            Emergencies, real or coerced, can be used to circumvent the constitution.

            Provide a citation for the states using their own laws as oppose to federal please, thanks in advance.

          10. Nigel

            I can’t provide a citation for anything since I’m not trying to prove anything. Micko said that Biden has been lifting all the restrictions in the states, via the CDC, since months ago. I’m prepared to believe him, I just asked for a non-YouTube link showing this since I prefer text.

          11. ce

            Yeah, federal emergencies can be declared that take over aspects of state government but it’s usually to free up resources for disaster relief, not to force states to open up etc… so far…. of course you can also go down the FEMA conspiracy rabbit hole if you want. as well, good youtube channel stuff…

            Again 98-99% certain, open to correction, I could be 98-99% wrong

          12. General Public

            Shoehorns fema into the conversation for no apparent reason.

            You’re talking nonsense now, take a break from the Internet and go back to your family mate.

          1. ce

            No masks, the vulnerable just aren’t worth the hassle…

            So if it’s not pints you’re missing, what is it – Ryan Air? Christmas Panto? Rub and tug parlor? Overpriced food served on a slate? non-Zoom in-person Knights of Columbanus meetings?

          2. Micko

            The fact that you can’t tell what we are ALL missing is worrying.

            Our society is completely fragmented.

          3. ce

            I know what I’m missing – beyond family, most of what I’m missing is not coming back until some manner of antigen testing becomes normal… that might take a while, if ever thanks to the powers-that-be…. But I know plenty of folks who are missing their respite and day services etc. because Johnny and Jilly Public can’t be bothered to wear a mask, isolate properly (and I’m talking about the ones who have the space/finances to isolate) etc…

            … but it never had to be this way or at least not so bad…

            … still we can waive some freedom flags outside the Convention Center or the Aras and that will help all the folks who are suffering now much better than… you know… taking responsibility for our personal actions

    2. Nilbert

      What’s your cut-off? Do you have an actual number in mind that you are happy to let die?

      Have you a list of vulnerabilities, or is it just vulnerable people in general?

      Maybe you haven’t quite thought this through. Or worse again, maybe you have.

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      1. Micko

        Eh. Well we have vaccines now.

        So it won’t be much of an issue. We’ll save who we can.

        Business as usual – same as every other disease.

        I think you lads need to decide whether vaccines work or not and whether we getting back to a normal society or not.

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        1. Nilbert

          what the point in replying? you know that not everybody can take a vaccine. but you believe in every man for himself yes?

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          1. Micko

            “ you believe in every man for himself yes?”

            Sorry now. Am I speaking to a bunch of 5 year old here?

            It’s always been that way. Don’t be a child.

          2. Papi

            The phrase “denser than a dying star” springs to mind. But you’re good for a laugh, Mick, I’ll give you that.

        2. ce

          They do, and they work even better the more people take them, especially in enclosed spaces when everybody is vaccinated… so looks like that’s not going to happen and we’ll get rid of some more vulnerable-commies instead… saves money in the long run …

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        3. Nigel

          And to think I called you ‘grounded’ earlier. If you’re going to argue against vaccines at least argue against vaccines as they are, and not what you claim to think ‘you lads’ think vaccines are.

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          1. Micko

            Not arguing against vaccines. Vaccines are great.

            Am arguing against potentially hurting the young to save the old.

            Try to keep up

          2. Papi

            Really coming across as a sociopath now, Mick. Your other team mate is culling the over 12’s, you’re up for stalking the bingo halls.
            Nice guys. Sane. Credible.

          3. Micko

            What are you talking about Papi?

            I’m not the nutters suggesting that no one should die of Covid ever?

            You guys are crazy. You’re acting like children.

          4. ce

            “Really coming across as a sociopath now, Mick. Your other team mate is culling the over 12’s, you’re up for stalking the bingo halls.
            Nice guys. Sane. Credible.”

            + 1, throw in a bit of soylent green for desert and I’m in

          5. ce

            It’s the lack of oxygen from mask wearing… why didn’t we listen when we were warned…

          6. Nigel

            No, you’re not arguing against vaccines, not as they actually exist and work, but some other thing in your head you have decided to arbitrarily call ‘vaccines’ which do not necessarily share those attributes.

          7. Micko

            Cool Nigel

            If one child dies from a Covid vaccine, a vaccine that they do not need. Will the vaccination program still be worth it?

          8. Nigel

            Dude. You are happy with six hundred deaths a day in one country, and are happy to see that replicated across other countries. Step the feck off.

          9. ce

            If you want herd immunity you’ll need to vaccinate children, that what herd immunity involves… People will die from reactions to vaccines… but a lot more people would die prematurely from Covid… take your pick…

            Still, imagine if we had of dealt with the pandemic efficiently, wore masks, limited international travel etc… etc…, and didn’t need a vaccine to fix all of our problems… too we’re here now, and now that’s the playbook for dealing with any pandemic in the future… so that’s pretty worrying… Waiving some flags (pics of which will get posted to the NP social media etc… at the Aras should fix everything…

            PS. we could also attempt a regional, national, continental eradication program… and maybe less people will die from both covid and vaccine reactions… but nobody wants to do that so …

          10. Micko

            Dodge the kids dying question there chicken. Boo bok

            “ You are happy with six hundred deaths a day in one country, and are happy to see that replicated across other countries.”

            I’m gonna say this real slow so you understand

            America has more deaths coz it has more people.

            It would be a very small number here. Like we have now.

            So I’ll ask you again. Should we keep up the restrictions until no one dies of Covid – ever?

          11. Micko

            “ but a lot more people would die prematurely from Covid… take your pick”

            Yep. Cool. I pick that!

            Let the older people die to protect the kids.

            See. Now we understand each other.

            This is what I’ve always said.

            Kids come first.

          12. Nigel

            We should keep up restrictions until roughly 80% of the adult population is vaccinated and we acheive herd immunity. Jesus Christ how many times must I tell you before it sinks in?

          13. Nigel

            ‘Let the older people die to protect the kids.’

            Are you advocating E’Matty’s New World Order population cull now?

            ‘Kids come first.’

            You know how in airplane safety demonstrations they instruct parents to put their own air masks on first before they put on their children’s?

          14. ce

            We should avoid being in enclosed spaces or crowds if un-vaccinated, wear masks properly in any situation were the vaccinated status of everybody is unknown, we should develop a proper antigen-test strategy and quicker/smarter methods for quarantine, and gradually pursue an eradication strategy region by region… that’s what we should do

            The hardest part of this is what to do with children – they need to have some better sense of normality, even if this is not perfect…. so the adults need to grow up and quit the tin-foil hat, mask don’t work, and let it rip debates which keep us living in mild chaos… and figure out an extended pod system for the kids, and stick to it… But that would involve a level of maturity never before demonstrate in Ireland… we’ll be too busy arguing about pints and the national herd….

            Also 80% of the adult population vaccinated doesn’t totally help, gotta be 80% of the whole population, and that’s difficult here as our population is relatively young

          15. Micko

            “ Are you advocating E’Matty’s New World Order population cull now?”

            No. I’m saying children come first. Before any adult.

            Christ! We used to know this stuff guys. This is the way it’s supposed to be

            What is wrong with you? All of you

            CE is talking about jabbing kids with vaccines with no long term data.

            You should be ashamed

          16. ce

            “CE is talking about jabbing kids with vaccines with no long term data.” – I’m not, what I’m saying is there are 3 broad options:

            – 80% entire population vaccinated forever
            – let it rip, the happy fun-time Bojo option
            – eradicate (likely to involve a high level of vaccination for now), still with outbreaks, but incredibly fast, nimble, autonomous public health team with TB eradication-type powers from ye good auld days

            I wanted something else from the beginning, I didn’t get my way, so these are the options we have as a country… I don’t want just those options… but that’s what it’s come to, so what do you want? I’d pick 3, but I know that won’t happen

            Also, not to be too he said she said… I could be wrong, but you’re talking about let it rip … with no long term data… it is possible that herd immunity never happens and it is likely that variants begin to target younger and younger people…

            So option 1, 2, or 3?

          17. Nigel

            I’m sorry I can’t take your posturing about the sanctity of children’s lives seriously. I can’t even form a coherent picture of your scientific, social or ethical position on any of this any more, let alone triangulate them. ‘We’ve failed and let thousands die, therefore the only thing to do is keep failing and let thousands more die. But the children are the future, therefore don’t vaccinate them.’

          18. Micko

            Cool ce

            I pick option 2.

            If it means saving children from you fupping psychos.

            You both have something very wrong with you if you would risk harming kids to save your own behinds.

            Good luck to ya

          19. ce

            Option 3 could perhaps avoid vaccinating children – again my preferred option – if the population did really simple things like wear masks, and social distance etc…. which you are certainly un-willing to do, but you’re happy to let any number of people young and old die, and die alone and in agony…. don’t hide behind the ‘think of the children’ nonsense when you’re unwilling to inconvenience yourself with a scarf…

          20. Nigel

            All the claims of deaths and harms done by vaccines you and SOQ and the rest have relied on to demonise them have so far proven suprious and vague and non-corroborated. By contrast, when an apparent correlation with blood clots arose they suspended the entire programme until it could be studied. So I don’t think you’re really all that worried about the children being vaccinated. It’s just the final refuge of someone who’s been wrong about everything.

          21. Micko

            “ Option 3 could perhaps avoid vaccinating children – again my preferred option ”

            Thanks for that professor.

            Where’s your medical qualification from then?

          22. Micko

            “ So I don’t think you’re really all that worried about the children”

            Actually Nigel, I’ve been pretty unbelievably consistent about how kids (and my own) have been thrown under the bus by you bunch of absolute effin nutters.

            And CE backtracking about his “vaccinating kids” statement above, just shows me how wrong you KNOW it is.

            Shame lads. Shame.

            I hope your wives don’t read Broadsheet

          23. General Public

            That was v delicate sir, you might be upset but you still managed to stay composed.

            Keep it up if you can.

          24. Nigel

            ‘Actually Nigel, I’ve been pretty unbelievably consistent about how kids (and my own) have been thrown under the bus by you bunch of absolute effin nutters.’

            That certainly has been your position, but your reasons and justifications have been somewhat changeable and as you have just revealed above seem to be based on an astonishing level of ignorance, even for a layman discussing these things casually for so long.

          25. General Public

            But your reasoning has also changed often and is based largely on ignorance so your point is moot..

          26. ce

            Everything is wrong at this stage – what you want will kill a lot of people

            As I said, don’t hide behind the ” think of the children” if you won’t wear a mask and are willing to see any number of people….

            Maybe we can just lock up all the immunocompromised kids and their parents somewhere while it all rips… and if it keeps ripping they can just stay there forever… sort of like in the group home in my estate, they have no services anymore outside of the house and only get out for an hour a day now, or the autistic kid next door who’s school hours are down to a bare minimum due to serious covid illnesses in his pod and who has deteriorated over the pandemic, or the family I know with four spectrum kids and an immunosurpressed father who is their only career… there are thousands and thousands of these people… want to wear a mask to help them, want to avoid unnecessary international travel to help them, want 100% of adults who can get a vaccine to take one to help them out…. no, that would involve effort…. let’s lock ’em up some more and let it rip

          27. General Public

            “what you want will kill a lot of people..”

            Same applies to your dogma unfortunately..

          28. Papi

            Micko” I’m prepared to sacrifice the elderly for children”
            “We don’t agree with you”
            Micko “You all hate children and are insane”

            Has no one ever disagreed with you before? You don’t seem to handle it well.

          29. Nigel

            ‘But your reasoning has also changed often and is based largely on ignorance so your point is moot..’

            No it Ent.

          30. General Public

            Yes it has.

            Its changed plenty, much like the “science” you speak so highly of.

          31. ce

            GP and Micko – “Maybe we can just lock up all the immunocompromised kids and their parents somewhere while it all rips… and if it keeps ripping they can just stay there forever… sort of like in the group home in my estate, they have no services anymore outside of the house and only get out for an hour a day now, or the autistic kid next door who’s school hours are down to a bare minimum due to serious covid illnesses in his pod and who has deteriorated over the pandemic, or the family I know with four spectrum kids and an immunosurpressed father who is their only career… there are thousands and thousands of these people… want to wear a mask to help them, want to avoid unnecessary international travel to help them, want 100% of adults who can get a vaccine to take one to help them out…. no, that would involve effort…. let’s lock ’em up some more and let it rip” – Want to talk about that or do you want to do secondary school debate club?… I presume it;s the latter, you’ll hide behind the “won’t somebody think of the children” to avoid doing anything or owning what will result from your bright ideas…

          32. Micko

            Oh Christ.. Now it’s the “ I care about the sick kids on my street” bit – eh CE?

            Do you have a black / gay and or Asian friend too that you can trot out to virtue signal. Just to let everyone know how “right on” you are.

            You’ve clearly nailed your colours to the flag above.

            You’d give healthy kids the jabs if you had the chance to save your own behind.

          33. Micko

            You misunderstand me Papi

            I’m not saying they’re insane literally. ;)

            I’m saying they’re figuratively crazy for even suggesting to give the vaccine to healthy children. That’s all.

            Coz ye know. Long term data etc.

            I mean… it’s not like a single Irish couple has had the jab, gone onto get pregnant and successfully had a baby.

            Coz ye know. 9 months is longer than 6 months.

            And we only started giving it to 30 years olds a couple of weeks ago.

            Maybe we should wait for long term data on that teeeeny weeeny detail before we start sticking kids and younger people with a medicine with no long term data.

            Oh and kids. Yeah. Don’t give to them unless the the risk is worth it.

            ie. very sick kids that Covid could actually kill them.

            Fair?

          34. ce

            “Oh Christ.. Now it’s the “ I care about the sick kids on my street” bit – eh CE?

            Do you have a black / gay and or Asian friend too that you can trot out to virtue signal. Just to let everyone know how “right on” you are.

            You’ve clearly nailed your colours to the flag above.

            You’d give healthy kids the jabs if you had the chance to save your own behind.”

            – Keep it classy and don’t answer the questions, well done, what do you say to people in those situations…. oh wait you don’t have an answer for them … and since you don’t want to do anything which might actually prevent the need for the mass vaccination of children … wow, what a freedom fighter you are, unleash Garryowen, Citizen….

            I don’t think I’m right, I don’t think there is a right answer….we are so far beyond that thanks to people like you who are incapable of wearing a mask, you’ve brought us to this point…. keep it up and we’ll all be free….

          35. Micko

            Jesus ce .

            Mask this Mask that. You’re mad for an aul Mask eh?

            “Is there anything to be said for saying another mask?” :0)

            Pssst… where does the air go?

            Ye know. When you breath out, with the 100k+ teeeny tiny virus particles contained in each breath.

            Where does it go? Does it magically disappear? Is the mask you’ve been keeping beside your balls for weeks have magic powers?

            If you watched the video above you’ve seen Biden cancelling the mask mandates in the States.

            Over 2 months ago. Is everyone in the US dead?

            You’re like a defunded preacher clinging into the word that must BE TRUE.

            Lordy lordy

          36. Micko

            “What do you say to those who will be cut off by the let it rip strategy?”

            Ummm… get a vaccine maybe?

          37. ce

            Yep, nothing, but I’m honest about it – and again….

            And again…If we had done what we should have at the beginning of this nonsense all our eggs would not be in the vaccine basket… but since the conspiraloons and contrarians have done/won’t do anything for others in all of this, it’s not much of a surprise where we’ve ended up… well played…

            Lots of people are going to die one way or the other especially if there is no eradication component to the next steps – my utterly unscientific guess is a lot more will die or have complications from virus than vaccines…

            In any event I await the revealing of your better plans, seriously, let me know what you’ve got, you’re generally a one-sentence bot, what else you got?

  6. ce

    “f we all can agree that for whatever “reason” we failed to save the vulnerable, then once again – what was the point of it all? “…. and it was only government incompetence, the mask-less freedom fighters protecting the rights of the vulnerable etc… those are the real heroes…

    Reply
    1. K. Cavan

      ce, we didn’t ”fail” to save them, the State & the Government deliberately put them in harm’s way, absolute criminality, the idea that nobody in the HSE could possibly foresee this is not a tenable excuse, they knew & they went ahead, why? Because in doing so, they basically created a Pandemic out of nothing, which was clearly & undeniably their aim.
      That’s the Truth, whether you or anyone else agrees or not.

      Reply
  7. Johnny 'Diego' Keenan

    Well done BS!

    I have posted this historical time line on many sites, since it was first published in June 2020.
    It doesn’t surprise me it is now read into the public record.
    So honest people and politicians might source it.

    Not ground breaking journalism, just consistent journalism.

    As BS tag goes,
    ‘News As It Happens’

    Keep up the great work Bodger

    Reply
  8. Liam Deliverance

    I tried to have a look at LIVE proceedings and catch Peadar in full swing but the signs says” Sorry, we are gone out to play, see you on September 15th, and by the way, Good Luck”

    Reply
        1. paddy apathy

          I’d hazard a guess that it’s falls in line with their belief that covid vaccines are unnecessary, as ivermectin or formally hydroxychloroquine, is sufficient to treat covid and vaccines are just big-pharma’s opportunity to profit from the pandemic.

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          1. K. Cavan

            mRNA injections would immediately have to be withdrawn, if any of the anti-virals were approved for use. Everyone who’s been paying attention knows this.
            The effectiveness of Chloroquine at inhibiting the reproduction of 226E, possibly the oldest Coronavirus, in cultures, has been proven, for almost half a century.
            On the other hand, neither the efficacy nor the safety of mRNA injections has a shred of scientific proof, they may not work at all, indeed, if boosters are needed, it’s rational to assume they don’t, not like Vaccines do, anyway.
            Like many others, I received inactivated Polio virus on a sugar-lump, as a child, some received an injection of dead virus & Polio is a thing of the past, no boosters required but, of course, our Public Health authorities were not dependent on donations from the Super-Rich, then, as they are now, which utterly compromises & undermines their veracity.
            Look who we have steering the ship of Public Health, here in Ireland, that goon Holohan, who first appeared on our radar trying to cover-up the Cervical Smear Test disaster. He’s grossly underqualified to run this response, the man doesn’t even have a PhD, for goodness sake. He’s a pen-pushing Civil Servant, who’s previous response to crises in health makes it clear he has no concept of Public Service, he automatically runs cover for incompetents within the Service, he has no loyalty to the People, the concept is probably beyond his grasp.

  9. Daisy Chainsaw

    So a few aul wans died, so what. It’s their fault you can’t go inside the pub so good riddance, eh?

    Reply
  10. K. Cavan

    Bodger – despite the comments section being over-run with disingenuous & dishonest Civil Servants paid to shill-from-home – has been a beacon of Real Journalism all throughout this utterly fake pandemic.
    That honesty & integrity accounts for the Shills, of course.
    The state of the nonsense issuing from the Shills says a lot about the calibre of our Civil Servants, people who passed their Leaving, decades ago, institutionalised to the point of cretinism by years of compliance & filing.
    To read them reducing attendance at Death-beds, Christenings, Marriages, Sporting activity, Music, Work, finding Love, the entirety of human existence, everything worth living for, all that passes ”between the forceps & the stone” to ”Pints” is literally nauseating but the Real Sickness is theirs alone, what dreadful lives they must live, that they can cheer-lead it’s destruction, then as supporters of obscene State Authoritarianism, they appropriate the right to decide, rather than the victims, to dismiss this appalling repression as ”nothing like Nazism”, they, rather than the victims, including the unvaccinated, get to pass judgement on this utterly indefensible Health Totalitarianism? Oh no, not today, MF.
    It’s akin to asking the guards how conditions are in the camps.
    What an appalling bunch of self-deluded cretins, no wonder my siblings & friends in the Service all rose so quickly to the top.
    Smart boy wanted, indeed.
    Next.

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