66 thoughts on “Saturday’s Papers

  1. GiggidyGoo

    After the website debacle last week, good to know that some government heads realize the folly of establishing a totally new website (complete with misspelling at that), and have now brought the function under a .gov website banner.
    They must read broadsheet.

        1. GiggidyGoo

          Have to keep the wheels of commerce in motion. Today’s consignment, you’ll be particularly glad to know, is a mix of baby soothing cream and talcum powder.

    1. goldenbrown

      GiggidyGoo, whilst there are some pockets of excellence the state’s overall approach to IT has always been weak as ****

      this particular incident? no doubt tis a bit on the rough side but I’ve witnessed ones a lot worse (and I’m not even talking about all the burnt money)

      the ongoing security disaster at the HSE tells you all you need to know about our attitude

      1. GiggidyGoo

        I just wonder who made the decision to register a .org domain outside of the gov or hse domain and put up the application. Then, because of a spelling error, a second .org domain was registered and proceeded with putting up the same application, and now a week later the application is (where it should have been all along) on the government website and the other two websites are defunct.
        Was someone’s paws being greased?

        1. Cian

          One website;
          Three URLs; a domain costs a few bucks;

          The spelling mistake (and buying a second domain name) probably cost the HSE less than €100.

          Getting a blah.org takes a few minutes and a credit card; getting a blah.gov.ie (I’m guessing, based on working with large multinations) takes time – a lot of paperwork and sign-offs;

          1. GiggidyGoo

            You’re not too well up then. The .gov domain and website has been established for years, A sub domain costs the state on that ….nothing. I’m not guessing either by the way. To put up content on that sub domain costs….well, costs the same as putting up content on the ‘blah.org’ domain.

            So your guess is way off the mark. I guess you don’t work for a multinational after all. If you do, and you’re suspicious that they’re wasting money on sub domains, then you should draw their attention to the likes of Go Daddy, Blacknight and check out sub domain ‘costs’ on them. (There aren’t any)

            I’m not questioning what the mistakes cost, by the way. I’m questioning why the HSE or whoever chose to go down that route in such an unprofessional manner, and if there a private financial beneficiary of setting up the .org sites. Maybe a dail question would get to the bottom of it.

          2. Cian

            Try reading what I actually wrote.

            And don’t lecture me on the web. You don’t understand the difference between a URL and a website.

          3. GiggidyGoo

            Cian – I know well the difference. I write from experience. You write from guessing.
            Your post just now confirms your knowledge, which is zilch.

            The two .org domains had their own URLs. The .gov has its own URL. The sub domains on the .gov – there is no charge to register a sub domain on your own website. sub-domains are portions of URLs.

            By the way – I never mentioned URLs. That was just another districting, diversionary, ducking and diving attempt by you. You jumped in, all guns blazing, but the bullets were blanks.

            In fact, by your posts on this thread, you haven’t an iota about what’s involved in running websites, domains, sub domains etc.

        2. Cian

          Read what I wrote.

          You are the one saying there were multiple applications – one on each domain.

          1. GiggidyGoo

            Cian. There’s a time when you need to stop digging . You’re looking very very foolish now.

            Slowly now….

            irishcovidcertifcateportal. org (The misspelled one) had the application on it.
            irishcovidcertportal. org (the replacement for the above) had the application on it
            covidcertificateportal. gov. ie/update-cert/ has the application on it.

            Three domains. Three websites. Three URLs (to keep you happy) Same application on each.

            Which part of that don’t you understand?

          2. Cian

            Strange. The other ‘GiggidyGoo’ poster (who isn’t very technical) said that the HSE’s irishcovidcertportal.org site was hosting in Chicago.

            Now; once more for the hard-of-thinking.
            One website; (one application)
            Three URLs (Three domains).

            This site is still hosted on;
            This still resolves to Microsoft.

            All they have done is given the original website a new name (within the .gov.ie domain).

            And nobody’s “paws were greased”.

          3. GiggidyGoo

            The application being spoken about is the application for the cert. Poor try.

            And I suggest you have a word with someone who knows what they are talking about as regards websites, domains, URLs etc. before you make a complete fool of yourself.

            Type in those numbers you’ve quoted by the way. “This connection is not private. This website may be impersonating to steal your personal or financial information. You should close this page” The Secure Certificate authority is not valid.
            Your is NOT within the .gov webspace. You need to vet who you’re getting your information from – they’re making a fool of you.

            Now type in the actual website names – zilch. Nada.

          4. Cian

            Oh my.
            And you think you’re an “expert”? You have “experience”.

            You dont understand the difference between hosting a webpage and a domain name. You don’t know what an ip address is.

          5. GiggidyGoo

            Enjoy the headache in the morning. Don’t forget to have a read back. When you pull yourself together, here’s some light reading for you and whoever is making a fool of you. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Building-Websites-All-One-Dummies/dp/1118270037/ref=asc_df_1118270037/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=311000051962&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13624492916281134664&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=t&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1007850&hvtargid=pla-492801914285&psc=1&th=1&psc=1

      2. Clampers Outside

        In fairness, welfare/Dept of Social Protection did a good job of the pandemic unemployment payments through mywelfare.ie. Credit where it is due and all that.
        Yeah, there were some mistakes out of the hundreds of thousands that used it, but overall I believe it worked, all considering.
        I’m no It / web guy btw :)

  2. Steph Pinker

    Nothing turns me on like a heterozygous cricket player – well, other than one who can go down like a soccer player…

  3. Gabby

    I’m enjoying good news about Irish Olympic medals. Keep it up. We need lots of cheering in July and August.

    1. goldenbrown

      yep going well, c’mon the boxers!

      I really enjoyed that mixed triathlon relay thing last nite

      although I have a bit of a problem with the golf (millionaires arriving on private jets to play 4 rounds…erm)

      does anyone know if the the Irish relay team are still in the 4×400 competition now that the US got themselves reinstated??

      1. GiggidyGoo

        Yep, the Golf in my opinion shouldn’t be classed as an olympic sport. Golf isn’t exactly tough on the body and joints, strolling around a course and having an assistant to carry the instruments used. And winning is about putting a ball into a hole without any other persons being able to physically stop you by force. I’m sure the ancient greeks would turn in their graves to see such namby pamby stuff classed as olympic sport.

        1. scottser

          The very first Olympic medal won by the free state was awarded to jack b yeats for his painting ‘the Liffey swim’ in Paris 1924. There have been all sorts of events in the Olympics that didn’t require exertion over the years including music and cookery. Next Olympics, also in Paris will feature breakdancing.

          1. GiggidyGoo

            Flipping hell. As I say, I learn something new every day. Thanks for that.

            If it was a competition today (is it?) it’d hardly be televised

  4. The Dude

    Nice for the GAA that 40,000 are to be allowed attend an event while small live performances are still banned.

    Yet again the GAA are given breaks while other sectors are let swing.

    Has there ever been a government that was more anti-culture and anti-Dublin?

    1. Bertie blenkinsop

      A possibility of 40k permitted at the end of August.
      Meanwhile, there’ll be 18k tomorrow in a stadium with an 82k capacity

    2. scottser

      I couldn’t agree more about live music. And the longer this nonsense goes on, the more we have to listen to fukn bressie. Like, who made him spokesman for the industry and he does a half dozen gigs per year?

    3. Cian

      A festival in the Netherlands has shocked officials after 1,000 coronavirus infections were linked to the event despite it requiring a “test for entry.”

      The Verknipt outdoor festival, which took place in Utrecht in early July, was attended by 20,000 people over two days. Everyone who attended had to show a QR code that demonstrated that they were vaccinated, had recently had a Covid infection or had a negative Covid test.


        1. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

          do you know I wondered that but am at the point where I didn’t ask because I’m not interested in the abuse you get if you ask anything, not me so much but other commentators, respect seems to be an expensive commodity these days.

  5. GiggidyGoo

    “We cannot say that all these people were infected at the festival itself; it could also be possible that they’ve been infected while travelling to the festival or in the evening before going to the festival or having an after-party. So they’re (the cases) all linked to the festival but we can’t 100% say they were infected at the festival,”

    So, a news item from 15th July that cannot link the infections to the actual festival location itself is proof of….what? That you can catch the virus on public transport, at a party after the festival where attendees may not have been at it, or going to the festival where they could have been in contact with locals? No word of hospitalizations.

    1. George

      The quote you posted explicitly says the cases are all linked to the festival.

      The point is if the festival didn’t happen those infections are unlikely to have happened.

      1. GiggidyGoo

        The point is that regardless of who was travelling on public transport (for instance) for whatever reason – could be people travelling for any reason, not a festival, – the virus would have transmitted. The quote on my post explicitly said “We cannot say that all these people were infected at the festival itself; it could also be possible that they’ve been infected while travelling to the festival…”
        So to make a news item alluding to the festival being the problem when the problem is the attendees picking it up somewhere else is pushing it. If they didn’t travel, then a different 1000 would have picked it up.

        1. Cian

          It doesn’t matter if you catch Covid at the festival, queue to get into the festival, or on public transport going to the festival.
          If they didn’t go to the festival they wouldn’t have been infected going to, or at, the festival.

          1. GiggidyGoo

            No – but a different 1000 would have been. The point is that the Covid wasn’t caught at the festival, which is what the report is intimating.
            Unless, of course the vaccinations don’t work?

          2. Cian

            If the concert hadn’t happened those people wouldn’t have been out. So wouldn’t have been infected. There wouldn’t have been a different 1000 people standing where they were to get infected.

            There is no evidence where they caught the virus – it may have been at the concert, it may have been travelling to it, it may have been in the local shops.

          3. GiggidyGoo

            ‘..standing where they were’. There you go once again. You’re trying to infer that they were infected standing at the festival.

            Now, if 1000 caught the virus en route to or from the festival, they caught it from people who weren’t en route to the festival. Those people who weren’t going to the festival and who would have spread it to the 1000, would have spread it to other people anyway.

            At least you admit that the story is basically a non-story as regards where the virus was caught.

            Maybe the headline should have read ‘Covid spread to people who were vaccinated and who were using public transport’

          4. Cian

            “Everyone who attended had to show a QR code that demonstrated that they were vaccinated, had recently had a Covid infection or had a negative Covid test.

            I’ve highlighted the relevant bit for you.
            You missed it twice.
            I suppose it was a long sentence.

          5. GiggidyGoo

            You’re really struggling now. You’re making my point for me in case you haven’t realized. Have a read back through the thread.

  6. ce

    Bad Auld Dose Report –

    ‘Thai hospital resorts to using containers to store bodies as cases soar. A Thai hospital morgue overwhelmed by Covid deaths has begun storing bodies in refrigerated containers, according to Reuters. Pharuhat Tor-udom, a director of Thammasat University Hospital near Bangkok, told the news agency: “There’s not enough space, so we bought two containers for bodies’ storage.”He continued: “During the tsunami, we used containers to store bodies waiting to be autopsied for identification. But we haven’t had to do that (again) until now.” On Saturday, Thailand reported a daily record of 18,912 new cases and a record of 178 new deaths, bringing the total number of cases to 597,287 and 4,857 deaths.””

    Sure ’twill be grand …


      1. ce

        ‘Pharuhat Tor-udom, a director of Thammasat University Hospital near Bangkok, told the news agency: “There’s not enough space, so we bought two containers for bodies’ storage.”He continued: “During the tsunami, we used containers to store bodies waiting to be autopsied for identification. But we haven’t had to do that (again) until now.” ‘

      2. ce

        Brazil has registered 37,582 new cases of coronavirus over the last 24 hours, reaching 19.92 million cases.
        The country had 910 new Covid-19 deaths in the period and the pandemic death toll total reached 556,370, Reuters reports.

  7. ce

    Maddest sentence of the day award – from a Guardian article about China, Tibet, and the next Dalia Lama:

    “It is now enshrined in law that the Chinese government must approve all reincarnations of senior Buddhist Lamas (teachers), including the Dalai Lama, a position that was strongly reiterated in a Tibet white paper released by China in May this year, on the 70th anniversary of its annexation of Tibet.”


    1. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

      I had many tibetan refugee friends in Paris, what china has done to that country and people is disgusting.

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