104 thoughts on “Meanwhile, In Baggot Street

    1. Micko

      Yes, she is not correct.

      The vaccines have passed all three stages of clinical trials (although the trials were sped up).

      They are not technically experimental. (Some would argue the semantics though)

      https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-vaccine-monitoring-idUSKBN2AC2G3

      They are however granted approval under “emergency use” with of course no long term data.
      Because, time etc :)

      So, the question is – are we still in an emergency? About 90 people have died with Covid since the Cyber attack in May.

      About 1 a day…

      Does the risk posed by Covid in the general populations now, outweigh the risk of vaccinating children?

        1. Mr T

          Yes but given we are now at a stage where about 1 person a day dies from covid (none of them children) is it really an emergency in that age group that requires them to be vaccinated?

        2. Micko

          Absolutely Liam.

          But what Mr T said is right…

          The vulnerable are protected now – there is no reason to risk children’s health when there is no emergency and statistically Covid is no danger to them.

          1. Nigel

            You seem to be absolutely convinced that the vulnerable are protected now, whereas I am pretty sure that there are in fact children who are vulnerable. Additionally I don’t know why people convinced that the long term effects of vaccines are tantamount to a death sentence are also complascent about the long term effects of covid.

          2. Nigel

            Unsolicited and unqualified medical advice? Stick it on a placard and go march on the Dail.

      1. George

        Where are you getting the idea that negative impacts of a vaccine are likely to develop after more than a year when the vaccine has long left your system? What precedent is there for this concern? What basis in reality has it got? It’s just a fabrication.

        1. Micko

          https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/history/narcolepsy-flu.html

          It took about 12 months for the Pandemrix narcolepsy issue to arise.

          Given that we know that the newly developed Covid vaccines are causing side effects rarely in some adult individuals and that the technology they employ to deliver the immunity has never been used in large numbers in humans or approved before Dec 2020, caution should be applied when it comes to vaccinating children.

          Especially as Covid statically is not a danger to them.

          I don’t think that my opinion is really that controversial. You seem to think it is.

          1. andrew

            Hi. Your opinion is not “controversial” as such but it is based on a lack of understanding as to how vaccines work. It is a common and unfortunate misunderstanding. I don’t mean to be rude in saying this. Apologies if it comes across that way.

          2. andrew

            Well, I don’t know if I’m detecting a snarky tone (?). If so, happy to just leave it. Not one for internet arguments.

            If not, however, am happy to explain.

            The part of your comment that is based on misunderstanding is “They are however granted approval under “emergency use” with of course no long term data.
            Because, time etc :)”

            This is entirely wrong and with the greatest of respect just displays an ignorance of what’s going on.

          3. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

            must be a different Andrew to the one I have had mega Barnies with so

          4. Micko

            Ok cool. Let’s break it down into the two parter then.

            Were the vaccines granted approval under emergency use?

            &

            Do we have long term data?

          5. andrew

            “Were the vaccines granted approval under emergency use?”

            Yes. Skipped some admin stuff. Totally irrelevant. And that admin stuff has now been done.

            “Do we have long term data?”

            Yes.

            By the way, the other part of your comment that I meant to flag was “the risk of vaccinating children”. This is just unfounded silliness.

          6. Micko

            So, they were approved with emergency use and YOU say that was just admin stuff.

            From Forbes: “ For emergency authorization, the FDA required two months of safety data versus six months for full approval.”

            Yeah safety data is just “admin” stuff… and they’re still not fully approved are they?

            https://www.forbes.com/sites/leahrosenbaum/2021/07/30/why-hasnt-the-fda-fully-approved-any-covid-19-vaccines-yet/amp/

            And also on the whole long term data thing, I’m sure the manufacturers will claim they have all the data in the world. I mean it’s not like the pharmaceutical industry to tell porkies now is it. Heheheh :p

            But, all that aside, just using your own common sense for just two seconds, are we aware of a single woman in Ireland who has had the vaccine, then gone on to get pregnant, and successfully had a baby.

            Given that:

            a) We’re giving out vaccines about 8 months in Ireland.
            b) It generally takes 9 months to grow a baby.
            c) We’re only vaccinating young women a couple of months.

            Waiting seems like the most prudent thing to me. Why risk kids and future generations when they aren’t statistically harmed by it?

            Cowardice?

            Because It’s cowardice to use kids as human shields to protect the old.

            And even worse to use it on people here in the west who don’t need it, when vulnerable adults in poorer countries are dying from a lack of vaccines.

            Even the WHO says so…

          7. SOQ

            “It’s cowardice to use kids as human shields to protect the old.”

            It is absolute madness- insane- child abuse. The long term impact is not known in adults let alone children who have their whole life in front of them.

          8. Micko

            Shhh SOQ… don’t be silly.

            Andrew says they do know the long term effects

            Coz…. ummm Time Travel or something ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

          9. Oro

            Pffft – they’ve completed Phase3 trials, and are continuing them, it doesn’t mean that they haven’t already passed the safety standards because they’re continuing the trials. I think you’re deliberately misunderstanding that in order to fulfill your vaccine fear.

            The reality is, safety endpoints have been met and the more time goes by the more corroborating evidence arrives in that the vaccine is safe.

            Your emotional response to feeling unsure about it is meaningless when compared to this info. Just because you say something is child abuse doesn’t mean it’s child abuse, the dramatics! That goes for the two of you.

          10. andrew

            @Micko Goodness. You’re conflating a whole host of issues there. I’m going to do by best here but I already sense this is going to be a frustrating one.

            1) “And also on the whole long term data thing, I’m sure the manufacturers will claim they have all the data in the world. I mean it’s not like the pharmaceutical industry to tell porkies now is it. Heheheh :p”

            Well, fortunately, we don’t rely on the assurances or endorsements of manufacturers. This is really basic stuff.

            2) “But, all that aside, just using your own common sense for just two seconds, are we aware of a single woman in Ireland who has had the vaccine, then gone on to get pregnant, and successfully had a baby.”

            Do you have evidence or anything at all to indicate that vaccines are a risk to pregnant women? Because all the reputable evidence I’ve seen clearly indicates not.

            3) “Waiting seems like the most prudent thing to me.”

            This really is the nub of it. And, if you don’t mind, it’s the one I’d like to address. How much do you think we should give this before declaring vaccines safe? Like, you repeatedly cite the supposed absence of “long term data”. Is there any precise time? And what do you base that on?

            4) “Because It’s cowardice to use kids as human shields to protect the old.”

            My fear (and I’m involved in this) is that emerging variants will pose a direct threat to children. We need to vaccinate children for their own safety (as well as that of wider society).

            5) “And even worse to use it on people here in the west who don’t need it, when vulnerable adults in poorer countries are dying from a lack of vaccines.”

            Yes, I agree with you there. But sadly you could say the same thing about clean water and food. Is it right that Westerners are overeating to the point of obesity and showering every day when so many are starving and can’t access clean water? Both are ethically and practically wrong.

            Interested in your responses to #3 if that’s ok.

          11. Oro

            From your own link:

            “The study found that vaccination with influenza vaccines containing the 2009 H1N1 virus strain used in the United States was not associated with an increased risk for narcolepsy.”

            “Researchers did not detect any associations between the vaccines and narcolepsy.”

            Are you sure this was what you intended to post? Because it contradicts your point.

          12. Micko

            Yeah ok Andrew, “Interested in your answer to #3”. Christ. I’m a lab rat to you. :p

            Ok

            Honestly, if you’re not going to qualify any of your points with actual data or even links confirming your said points and you’re just going to rely on the “reputable evidence” you’ve seen.

            Then what’s the point? It’s just your opinion. We’ve reached a stalemate.

            The simple fact is that (pre cyber hack) only 54 people in Ireland under the age of 45 have died from / with Covid in Ireland. Considering there is over 3 million under 45s in Ireland.

            Well, I’ll let you do the numbers. It’s a tiny risk. That is a fact.

            And, your concern that the virus may mutate and harm kids is EXACTLY the same logic I’m employing when I say I’m concerned for vaccine use in children.

            You potential concern is valid apparently, but mine is not.

          13. andrew

            @Micko

            With the greatest of respect, Micko, you’re waffling.

            I can substantiate every single claim I make. Ask and you shall receive.

            Can we focus on this supposed absence of “long term data”? You’ve brought it up countless times. Is it all bluster and waffle? If so, ignore – but you’ll an awful lot like an mindless anti-vaxxer who’s ashamed to show his colours (which, for what it’s worth, is, in my opinion, preferable to the ranty-street-protest ones). If not, explain – what kind of long term data would assure you of the safety of these vaccines? Like, how long? 6 months? A year? 10 years? 14 years? 23 years? Any explain too why that number is necessary, please.

          14. Micko

            “ Because it contradicts your point.”

            Holy moly Oro!!!

            Well done – you’ve cracked the case. Cousin Vinny schtyle. Bravo!

            Come’re… will ya let the HSE know though yeah?

            Coz they’ve shelled out a fupping crap ton of money to settle these cases over the past few years.

            https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/128m-settlement-for-16-year-old-girl-diagnosed-with-narcolepsy-four-years-after-swine-flu-jab-40400399.html

            But I’m sure they just did that to just to be nice, regardless of the evidence. ;)

          15. Oro

            My point was that your own link contradicts your position on the subject. Any link between pandremix vaccine and narcolepsy seems to be inconclusive, or at the very least has evidence to disprove any connection. You can go talk to the HSE yourself, maybe leave it til tomorrow though you seem a bit scattered this evening. I think Andrew has you rattled haha.

          16. Micko

            “ I can substantiate every single claim I make.”

            And yet, I’m still waiting…

            54 people Andrew. In two winter seasons

            Grow a pair

          17. andrew

            @Micko

            54 what? What are you talking about?

            I thought we were talking about the safety of vaccines and, in particular, your contention that there is no long term safety data, that they’re a danger to pregnant women, and that they’re a risk to children.

            So still waiting on your elaboration of what constitutes “long term” in this specific instance and why. Or should I infer from your resort to a personal insult in lieu of an intelligent response that you haven’t the faintest notion what you’re talking about?

          18. andrew

            @Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

            I am relatively new to Broadsheet – today is my first time commenting, although I have been reading comments etc. You won’t get any barnies out of me!

          19. Micko

            “ I think Andrew has you rattled haha.”

            You thinketh wrong m’lady

            Barely an inconvenience. But to answer his obsession with “how long” I would like to wait for long term information on ze jabs.

            Using my own metric of course. Whenever I feel like it baby. 1 year, 2 year 10 year – who knows.

            If I left all my decisions to a third party, I’d be walking around with a brand new rushed through medical procedure in my arm that I’d be crapping myself about. Like you two. .

            Let’s face it. If you were 100% convinced you made the right decision, you wouldn’t be here arguing.

            You’re like people when they get married or have kids, trying to convince everyone else to do the same.

            “When are you gonna get married / have kids / get injected?”

            Jokes…the lot of ya

          20. Oro

            Lol Janet *cringe* – when did everyone become so paranoid? Just because two people type and think rationally or cohesively does not mean they’re the same person using different usernames.

          21. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

            and speak in the exact same way….yeah I might be wrong but I doubt it, you have both laid into me in the same fashion too, an elephant never forgets

          22. Oro

            You’re wrong. Why would I even need a second username I don’t understand what the position would be as to why I would need a second one. I don’t comment all that regularly in the first place.

            Anyway I don’t have to explain myself to you or anyone else, but I’d suggest to you that your general paranoia and throwing those kind of accusations around generally lowers the tone of the comment section, lower than it was already lol. Also Andrew said earlier today is his first time commenting so you’re wrong on the other point too? No need to reply.

          23. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

            if you say so, I’m not given to accusations, just a coincidence I have been in the past attacked by both Oro and Andrew in such a similar tone I guess ….must have been différentes Oro/ Andrew,
            I generally enjoy lowering the tone ….

          24. Oro

            I do say so, but what does that prove? Nothing, it’s a redundant exercise on an anonymous site. We have had back and forths before (twice I think) but I can’t vouch for either of the andrews. I just think this kind of “oh such and such is actually such and such” with no mechanism in place to solve such accusation is a waste of time for everyone.

          25. Oro

            You’re scattered. It’s ok. I don’t feel like I’m wrong. It’s backed up by actual evidence and medical professionals. You enjoy your eh…1/2/10years decided by eh…yourself?

            Btw you’ve been rattling on about “long term testing” for months so I don’t think it’s Andrew that was obsessed ;)

            Your supposed “logic” is governed by your own prejudices, fears and lack of medical know how. Yet you’re on here advocating for changes to vaccination protocol having no expertise in the area. Shameful!

          26. Micko

            Jeasus. I never even thought of that Janet.

            Yer far more experienced in the ways of Broadsheet than me :-)

          27. andrew

            @ Micko

            “Barely an inconvenience”
            I actually thought we were having a discussion. Apologies for the “inconvenience”. I also thought, however, that you might be able to substantiate and back up your repeated assertion. Got that wrong too. Who could have guessed it would collapsed so pathetically at the mildest probing?

            “Using my own metric of course. Whenever I feel like it baby. 1 year, 2 year 10 year – who knows.”
            Right, gotcha. Not very, eh, scientific, is it? A tacit admission that your views and opinions are nothing more than blather and guff.

            “a brand new rushed through medical procedure in my arm that I’d be crapping myself about”
            *Sighs” Rushed through…. but he doesn’t know how long it should have taken or how long he’d like it to have taken. Just seemed a bit quick… and that’s the basis of your obsession?

            “Let’s face it. If you were 100% convinced you made the right decision, you wouldn’t be here arguing.”
            First, once again, I thought we were discussing, not arguing. Second, I assume that assertion also applies to you? So not 100% convinced? Some hope for you so.

          28. andrew

            @ Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

            Hi. I honestly don’t know why you would say that. Or why anyone would play that game. I’m not here to argue or insult or score points etcetera. This is my first foray onto the Broadsheet comment section and, to be honest, I’m not finding it much fun. My only motivation in joining this conversation was to counter some really erroneous assertions that are being thrown around willy-nilly. Why? Because these are actually dangerous assertions. If the likes of Micko discourages someone from getting vaccinated, the consequences could be dire. And, bizarre as it seems when he – and others just like him – clearly cannot support their own assertions, they are having an impact on some.

          29. Micko

            “ you’ve been rattling on about “long term testing” for months ”

            Soooo, you’re saying you’re a fan then eh Oro? Watched me from afar eh? Hehehe

            But really, I don’t get you guys at all. You all jabber on about “anti-vaxers” and “vaccine hesitation” killing people etc

            Yet, the evidence is contrary to your statements.

            Vaccine uptake is MASSIVE in this country. Over 70% of adults have been fully vaccinated. Way more have the first jab!

            18 year olds are literally fupping queuing up around corners to get injected, so they can enjoy some semblance of their lives again.

            You’ve clearly won the vaccine debate. Congrats!!!

            But yet… you’re still here arguing. Why?

            I think you know why… but you won’t admit it.

            You won’t be happy until EVERYONE thinks and acts the same as you.

            YOU are the fascists.

          30. Oro

            Oh no lol you did the hysterical fascist bit. Ummmm, pointing out that you’re inconsistent, or your argument is incorrect or dishonest doesn’t make me a fascist. It’s just a discussion. Lighten up. As to my reasons, where I live the uptake is lower than Ireland and its because (in part) of people like you pushing misinformation like you are doing. I’m delighted that Ireland has such a strong uptake believe me. Anyway glad to see you’re gonna be sticking to the “back up opinion with data” based on your demands to Andrew, be interesting to see if you apply that to yourself going forward. I won’t hold my breath ;)

          31. andrew

            @ Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

            Sorry for the repeated @ but I missed this.

            “you have both laid into me in the same fashion too, an elephant never forgets”

            I have never laid into anyone – online or offline. You’re mistaking me for someone else. “Andrew” isn’t exactly an unusual name!

          32. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

            well must have been another Andrew… unusual enough on here actually to have same user name

          33. andrew

            @ Micko

            Look, Micko, I honestly don’t want to argue or offend or upset anyone. You seem upset now and I genuinely am sorry for my part in that. I thought we were discussing. Goodnight and all the best,

          34. Micko

            “ the likes of Micko discourages someone from getting vaccinated, the consequences could be dire.”

            Pfft…. I’m not discouraging an adult from getting jab if they want.

            They’re an adult. I just don’t think it’s a good idea for kids and pretty unnecessary for humans under 45’s who might still wanna have kids.

            As the data I’ve shown says. Only 54 under 45’s dead. The numbers don’t lie.

            But eh… still waiting on your data there sport ;)

            Edit:

            Ehh…. Ok. gnight. This was just banter dude. Not upset
            Tune in tomorrow when we argue about the same crap.

            But, I am still waiting on that data you promised. Just sayin ;)

          35. andrew

            @ Micko

            “But eh… still waiting on your data there sport ;)”
            Data on what?

            “I just don’t think it’s a good idea for kids and pretty unnecessary for humans under 45’s who might still wanna have kids.”
            So you’re saying the Covid vaccines are dangerous for children and cause infertility in women of child-bearing age? Is that a hunch or you actually have some evidence?

            “As the data I’ve shown says. Only 54 under 45’s dead. The numbers don’t lie.”
            OK. That’s great, I suppose. But I don’t know what relevance this has. Again, I thought we were talking about vaccine safety.

          36. Micko

            Aaaagh.

            I thought you’d gone to bed “just when I though I was out, they drag me back in“ eh?

            You said,
            “ I can substantiate every single claim I make. Ask and you shall receive.”

            I said. Still waiting.

            I know you’re new to this, but people tend to believe you better if you show, I dunno… actual evidence. Like links etc ;)

            Also, I’m not saying the vaccines ARE dangerous to young people / kids etc. I’m saying they MIGHT be in the long term and we should be cautious.

            In the EXACT same way that you’re saying that you’re concerned that one of the new variants MIGHT harm kids. It’s the same logic!

            Lastly the fact (for the hundredth fuppin time) that ONLY 54 have died under the age of 45 in 18 months in Ireland shows that this virus is not (generally) dangerous to that age group and that we should be cautious about introducing a brand new therapy that was never approved for wide spread use in humans before Dec 2020. Especially to a whole group in society that is responsible for producing the next generation.

            But look. It’s already happening. Young people are getting injected in record numbers apparently

            You’ve won the argument.

            So, hopefully I’m wrong. And everything is ok.

            Also, you seem to think that people are stupid and my opinion is somehow going to change theirs.

            People have already made up their minds to get it or not. The only way you’re going to make people get it is to take away their freedoms to a normal life. And that’s already being done.

            Congrats…

          37. andrew

            @ Micko

            “I said. Still waiting…I know you’re new to this, but people tend to believe you better if you show, I dunno… actual evidence. Like links etc ;)”
            Yes, absolutely with you on that. But I keep asking you what specific claim do you want me to substantiate and you keep just repeating that you’re waiting for links… so what claim that I’ve made do you want me to substantiate?

            “Also, I’m not saying the vaccines ARE dangerous to young people / kids etc. I’m saying they MIGHT be in the long term and we should be cautious.”
            So…. based on an uninformed hunch? Sorry but that’s utterly ridiculous.

            “In the EXACT same way that you’re saying that you’re concerned that one of the new variants MIGHT harm kids. It’s the same logic!”
            No, completely different. There is already emerging evidence that the Delta variant is more harmful to children. And this is consistent with how viruses mutate. My views are fact-based, yours are pulled out of thin air.

            “Lastly the fact (for the hundredth fuppin time) that ONLY 54 have died under the age of 45 in 18 months in Ireland shows that this virus is not (generally) dangerous to that age group and that we should be cautious about introducing a brand new therapy that was never approved for wide spread use in humans before Dec 2020. Especially to a whole group in society that is responsible for producing the next generation.”
            Conflating two unrelated things. Yes, it’s less harmful to younger people. But it can still be harmful. So it’s prudent to vaccinate. It’s a new vaccine, yes. But we already know it’s extremely safe. There is no basis whatsoever to the approach you’re advocating, which, by your admission, is based on nothing other than a blind supposition.

            “The only way you’re going to make people get it is to take away their freedoms to a normal life”
            That’s not why people are getting vaccinated. Despite what you might believe – and, again, with the greatest of respect, you’ve essentially admitted that your beliefs aren’t based on any actual knowledge or reasoning – there are very few people who hold your views. The likes of those who feature in the photos above are a tiny number. Irrelevant.

          38. Micko

            “But I keep asking you what specific claim do you want me to substantiate”

            Ok cool.

            How about the claim that delta is more dangerous to kids. Go for it. Numbers please – not scaremongering articles. And from a western country to where mortality rate and standards of living / medical treatment are the same as here please.

            “Conflating two unrelated things”

            How the fupp is weighting up your chance of harm from Covid and the chance of harm from the vaccine not related FFS?

            Hahahaha! Seriously man cop on! You’re making a show of yourself.

            “Yes, it’s less harmful to younger people. But it can still be harmful. So it’s prudent to vaccinate. It’s a new vaccine, yes. But we already know it’s extremely safe.”

            Cool. But if you class the teeny weeny tiny odds of dying from Covid as harmful.
            Well then, life outside is not for you my friend.

            (Just so you know 0.0018% is 54 out of 3 million under 45’s – again, me providing actual numbers there )

            “So…. based on an uninformed hunch? Sorry but that’s utterly ridiculous.”

            Have the shots caused clots and other severe side effects in people?

            Would you like to see that in children? I’m suggesting it might be a bad idea and a bad risk/ reward ratio for healthy kids.

            You’re like “Nah It’ll be fine – Plough ahead jabbing 5 year olds! To hell with possible future outcomes – that has literally NEVER happened in the past with any new treatment or vaccine”

            Except it has… we can agree on that yes? Thalydamide, Pandemrix Yes?

            “That’s not why people are getting vaccinated.”

            Now who’s throwing around wild claims without proof eh?

            Again, CLEARLY fine when you do it, but when I give what is an opinion based on my experience – whooo that’s not allowed. ;P

            There has been a massive spike in vaccinations since the government threatened and then subsequently introduced the Vaccine ID’s. Younger people are getting jabbed because they think it’s going to give back some sort of normal life.

            Oh and lastly. I’ve had Covid, so have about 10 of my friends. We barely noticed.

            But, since we’re all outside the 6 months, we can’t get a vaccine cert. If you could explain the science behind that decision to me as well there that’d be great. ;)

  1. Barnacle

    I can’t stand when people bring their kids to protests – no matter what the cause. If the parents want to attend, fine, but co-opting the kids to attend is just a knob move.

    1. Barton

      It could be a lack of a babysitter situation. Even that kid in the last photo had to bring her baby along.

    2. Daisy Chainsaw

      I’m sure little Jaxyn and Khaleeesie are having a great time standing on the street calling the president a paedo, just like mammy taught them.

          1. Micko

            Ooooh. The grammar Nazi tactic … the last refuge of the “I can’t think of a clever answer” brigade.

            Suit you sir

          2. Daisy Chainsaw

            I don’t need to waste my clever answers on you.

            Were you at the fash rally? If not, why not?

          3. Micko

            Of course I was there Daisy!!!

            Do you think I’d miss out an official meeting of the fascist party – it’s great fuppin craic!

            Psst… Come here to me…

            Would you believe, that’s actually me holding that sign in the first pic.

            It’s a real pity I made the sign so long, coz you can’t see my SS uniform and and genuine East German Stazi boots.

            And to think I polished my Star of David knuckle duster just for the occasion.

            What a silly boy I am…

          4. Daisy Chainsaw

            Desperately waiting on my every missive, eh Giggidy.

            Here’s one for you. How do you keep an idiot in suspense?

            I’ll tell you later.

    3. K. Cavan

      Those kids are now under threat of exposure to the most toxic substance ever injected into a human population (Fact!), which MIGHT give them immunity to a virus that has not killed a single child here (Fact!)
      But you can’t stand people bringing their kids to protests…
      What a silly person you are.

      1. andrew

        “the most toxic substance ever injected into a human population”

        That’s wildly incorrect.

    1. Daisy Chainsaw

      So my heel pressing on that bit causes a temper tantrum. If I press on a different bit of your tiny brain maybe I can make you dance like Flatley.

      1. Daisy Chainsaw

        Jackboots are part of the antivaxx fashmob uniforms, along with their brownshirts and/or yellow vests.

        I’m in fluffy slippers, showing off beautifully pedicured, lacquered nails, resting my feet on a tiny brain in some crank’s head.

      1. ian-oG

        You seem to think you are able to know how I feel about things.

        I’d say the only thing you’ll get right is your guess about how I feel about you.

        Go on, guess, I bet you get that one right!

        ;)

  2. stephen moran

    the daily muppett show from Bodger. champion of the Trump disinformation big lie also during Dec / Jan which he lost by 7.06 million votes…. ….Bodger while Bodger markets its Bodgerself as soft left Bodger is now little more than a hard right p propaganda vehicle on many issues…..the Irish version of the Express or the Daily Excrement for people whose IQ rises above room temp…which increasingly rules out large parts of Bodger’s Bodgership or just pure Bodgerish clickBodger…

    1. Micko

      Hey Steve.

      Explain to me what the right and left is there will ya?

      Coz it seems to change daily depending on a persons need to pop someone in a little box.

      1. White Dove

        We love Bodger here Stephen.

        Bodger gives us a cool place to hang out and show off in.

        They give a voice to alternative views and they’re ok with people who don’t share their views as well.

        Endlessly tolerant in fact. I would say too tolerant of bullies.

        Go away, set up your own site and post every 15 minutes and then you might just be worthy of touching the hem of Bodger’s garment.

  3. SOQ

    Interesting side note but they are actually advertising for medics to roll out the clot shots in schools in the UK.

    If they attempt this without parental consent, there will be absolute war.

    1. Cian

      Hmmmm.
      Considering the UK is only vaccination the 16-and-up it is a bit strange.
      Oh, and consent is only needed for the under 16s.

        1. Cian

          Is that a question or a statement?

          Do you have any evidence for your statement? or is it more bluster.

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