They Have Their Exits And Their Entrances

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Rachel O’Byrne from the cast of The Dead, An Opera at  the Gaiety theatre in Dublin on August 7-8

This morning.

Via Irish Times:

Vaccinated people should be allowed to go to the theatre if it means more venues would be able to open their doors to larger audiences, the general manager of Dublin’s Gaiety Theatre has said.

Ahead of the first live audience returning to the theatre this weekend for the staging of The Dead, An Opera – a musical adaptation of James Joyce’s famous short story – Laura McGuigan said the theatre would be open to it. “If it meant we could have more capacity, it would make sense,” she said.

She added that theatres would be well equipped to manage such a system if it gets the go-ahead from the Government. And she anticipated there would be broad support from the industry and theatre goers for any such moves.

Um.

Call for vaccinated patrons to be allowed go to the theatre (Irish Times)

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53 thoughts on “They Have Their Exits And Their Entrances

  1. Mr T

    Divide and conquer.
    Govt dont let you open at all, and then float idea of vaccine passes for a quicker return to normal.

    Can see why venues, pubs etc went for it – doesn’t make it acceptable though. There are worse things on the horizon for us following on from internal vaccine passports.

    1. Micko

      It’s the class system that’s been employed that gets me.

      All the way through the pandemic, the people who’ve been hit the most and are also the most likely to be vaccine hesitant are people in low paid jobs.

      People who can’t take time off work if a vax knocks them on their bum for a few days and people who might be more up in arms when they see the “ruling class” ignoring their own imposed rules. And yes these people would also be more likely to protest and may not be as well educated and are easy targets for ridicule.

      On the other end of the spectrum, is the people who jobs have barely been effected.

      People for whom the system works. People who are much more likely to get vaccinated and to enjoy the spoils that are doled out by our merciful government. They get to sit in germ free luxury, safe in the knowledge that no one around them is a walking microbial threat to them. (Except that’s a fantasy of course )

      Also these people tend to look down on the others and say things like ‘I’m pretty sure these aren’t theatre-going types anyway.” and call them “rats” etc

      Basically – ya ever seen Elysium?

      Well this is how you GET Elysium*. ;-)

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      *Of course you could argue that we already live in a world like that, with undeveloped countries paying the price for OUR luxury. So maybe we deserve it…

      1. SOQ

        Absolutely class driven- the same as when everyone ran to work from home while shop workers had to remain in their stations.

        Florida’s Gov. Ron DeSantis blasted Joe Biden for singling out Florida yesterday which is par of the course but he makes a very valid point about the black and Hispanic communities not having ID to vote in NYC, yet are expected to have vaccine passports now.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuAbLIexkAw

        1. Micko

          “ while shop workers had to remain in their stations.”

          Yup. Good point.

          I believe there also wasn’t huge outbreaks in shops either. Even when masks weren’t required.

          Hmmm… Must be something to do with the special arrangement the virus has with Tesco’s.

          Free club card points or something. :)

          Also Vaccine Id’s are a nice way for us to keep illegal immigrants away from us too. The dirty little blighters. As of course they won’t have ID or be registered in any system.

          Ah bliss… germ and undesirable human free bliss.

          1. Junkface

            Everyone dying in the southern states of the USA are unvaccinated. This is crazy stuff! It is totally preventable.

          2. millie bobby brownie

            Wow. Mic drop.

            I’ll remember that next time you pull out the UK or Sweden or Israel for comparison when making a point.

          3. Nigel

            ‘Pssst Cian’

            Bit odd that you didn’t psst at SOQ, who introduced Florida to the discussion.

    1. Cui Bono?

      The scientific evidence shows masks do not stop transmission of covid.

      Are you anti-science?

      1. (a different) andrew

        Nothing stops transmission, unfortunately. Masks reduce transmission. And this makes them worthwhile – alongside social distancing, hand washing, respiratory hygiene etc.

        1. Mr T

          The best way to stop transmission is to test people, and restrict access to those confirmed to have the virus.

          Relying on vaccine status or mask wearing does not work so well – hence why Ireland is still one of the most covid prevalent countries in Europe despite our high vaccine %.

          1. SOQ

            You can still transmit post vaccination- in fact, the term ‘vaxed super spreader’ is now being used.

            The safest way is to rapid antigen test everyone at the point of entry- that will give a pretty good indication of who is infectious, and who is not.

          2. (a different) andrew

            “You can still transmit post vaccination”
            To a far, far, far lesser degree than non-vaccinated.

            “in fact, the term ‘vaxed super spreader’ is now being used.”
            Oddly, I haven’t heard that term and I work in the area. Perhaps I don’t read the same Facebook groups or watch the same YouTube channels as you?

          3. Mr T

            Only a 3x reduction in likelihood that you catch covid if you are vaccinated.

            Lots of conflicting studies on viral load in said persons, some say its equal to unvaxed, some say less. Regardless its clear the risk reduction for spread is not nearly as much as people believe. Its far from a silver bullet – rapid testing (even with false negatives) would do a better job at managing cases.

          4. SOQ

            It doesn’t matter if the risk is a third or half or whatever, the bottom line is that people who are vaccinated continue to spread SARS-CoV-2.

            To then claim that such a risk is acceptable when rapid antigen will tell you on the spot who is and who is not infectious does not make sense.

          5. Micko

            “ Perhaps I don’t read the same Facebook groups or watch the same YouTube channels as you?”

            Objection Your Honor, hearsay and leading the witness…

            Please stick to the facts Mr Andrew. :p

          6. Nigel

            ‘It doesn’t matter if the risk is a third or half’

            Weird to see the zero-covid argument coming from you.

          1. Cui Bono?

            @Cian and ce

            There’s many studies over many years. Don’t be fooled by the poor observational studies and models that were used to introduce masks.

            A good summary with links to all the studies here https://swprs.org/face-masks-evidence/

            Look at all the studies and compare what happened in countries that don’t wear masks with ones that do. They make no difference.

    1. (a different) andrew

      Discrimination is the unjust treatment of different categories of people. Restricting access to something or somewhere based on vaccination status is entirely justified – and logical. Ipso facto it’s not discrimination.

      1. Cui Bono?

        When you categorise people into vaccinated and unvaccinated and then restrict access on one of these groups it is 100% discrimination.

        It’s also not logical because vaccinated can still catch and spread covid just as much as non vaccinated.

        1. (a different) andrew

          “When you categorise people into vaccinated and unvaccinated and then restrict access on one of these groups it is 100% discrimination.”
          No, because it’s justified.

          “It’s also not logical because vaccinated can still catch and spread covid just as much as non vaccinated.”
          This is complete rubbish.

          1. Cui Bono?

            @ (a different) andrew

            it’s not justified because you can be unvaccinated and 100% covid free and still not permitted to eat indoors, when at the same time a vaccinated person who has covid is permitted to eat indoors where they can spread it.

            It’s true that vaccinated can transmit covid just as much as unvaccinated. Lots of data and studies coming out on this recently. They do not provide immunity.

        2. Micko

          @Cui Bono

          Don’t worry about it man

          Hang on for 6 months. The EU has just done a deal with NovaVax for 200 million doses.

          https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-seals-deal-with-novavax-up-200-million-covid-19-vaccines-2021-08-04/

          NovaVax is a more traditional protein based vaccine and doesn’t use mRNA. It used tech we’ve been using for years.

          Get the jab off them in a few months. Sorted.

          Early adopters always get burned anyway.

          Same reason I didn’t buy the first iPhone. ;)

          1. Cian

            If you want to avoid mRNA vaccines you can get either of these two approved vaccines::
            – AstraZeneca–University of Oxford vaccine
            – Johnson & Johnson, aka Janssen vaccine

          2. (a different) andrew

            He’s a spoofer. He said yesterday – repeatedly – that he won’t take a vaccine because there isn’t “long term safety data”. But he can’t say say how much time is sufficient or what he’s basing his view on. It’s nothing to do with mRNA or anything else. Just a knuckle-dragger.

          3. (a different) andrew

            @Micko

            Micko, I could explain it to you, with links and everything. I could explain why there is sufficient data to prove the safety of the vaccines, why there are no unknown risks etcetera, but I honestly don’t think you’re open to considering the opposing perspective. That’s unfortunate (for you).

          4. Micko

            Ok cool. That’s nice.

            So not only am I ignorant and stupid. I’m now “unfortunate” also. Hehe

            I also note, that for a very busy person who has a big career “working with vaccines” ( I presume you’re out in Pfizer in Citywest ) that you have a serious amount of time on your hands

            Eight comments on this thread alone. How many across the site today?

            Do you just pull a lever on the production floor out there or what?

            Did they do your training in pantomime? ;)

            “Boing boink Si si” – DS

          5. (a different) andrew

            @Micko

            “So not only am I ignorant and stupid. I’m now “unfortunate” also”
            I like to think I wouldn’t have been quite so blunt about it, but yes.

            “I also note, that for a very busy person who has a big career “working with vaccines” ( I presume you’re out in Pfizer in Citywest ) that you have a serious amount of time on your hands”
            I didn’t say I work with vaccines. I said I work in the area. And, no, you presume wrong – I’m in the UK. And, yes, I do have a little more time on my hands at the moment – at home this week with a fractured tibia seeing as you’re asking. I overestimated my prowess on a mountain bike trail.

            “Do you just pull a lever on the production floor out there or what?”
            Is there something shameful or demeaning about working on a production floor? But, no, I don’t.

            “Did they do your training in pantomime? ;)”
            No.

            ““Boing boink Si si” – DS”
            I don’t know what that means.

          6. Micko

            Ok cool.

            They were rhetorical questions ;)

            But, in the interest of keeping the peace – nay World peace ;) Let’s not do this all day and I hope your leg feels better soon.

            Also, The reference you seek to my last comment is in here.

            Enjoy.
            https://youtu.be/QsPDT5qHtZ4

    2. millie bobby brownie

      Not getting vaccinated is A Choice

      Not being permitted to eat inside is a consequence of said choice.

        1. millie bobby brownie

          It’s not.

          You choose not to be vaccinated. You don’t choose your race, nationality, skin colour, sexual orientation, gender etc.

          1. Cui Bono?

            No, you are choosing to not see it as discrimination because you only want to believe that discrimination is only for “race, nationality, skin colour, sexual orientation, gender etc.”

            but in reality, discrimination is to categorise people into groups and then to treat each group differently.

          2. (a different) andrew

            If your local cinema categorises people into those who have paid for admission and those who have not paid for admission, and then proceeds to treat these two groups differently – refusing entry to one group – is that discrimination?

          3. Mr T

            I dont want to allow HIV positive people in my nightclub.

            They chose to partake in a risky activity that ended up with them contracting it – so being refused from my nightclub is the consequence of that choice.

          4. Cian

            I dont want to allow Covid positive people in my nightclub.

            They chose to partake in a risky activity that ended up with them contracting it – so being refused from my nightclub is the consequence of that choice.

          5. millie bobby brownie

            In Ireland you can only be discriminated against under the following categories:
            Gender
            Civil status
            Family status
            Sexual orientation
            Religion
            Age (does not apply to a person under 18)
            Disability
            Race
            Membership of the Traveller community

            “Discrimination is defined as less favourable treatment. A person is said to be discriminated against if they are treated less favourably than another is, has been or would be treated in a comparable situation on any of the grounds mentioned above.”

            https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/justice/law_and_rights/irish_human_rights_commission.html

            It has nothing to do with what I want to believe, and everything to do with how we currently define discrimination.

          6. Cui Bono?

            So if you are only basing your view on what Ireland officially deems as discrimination, do you think we should add “Covid19 Vaccination Status” as a new category to the list?

            because these covid vaccines do not provide immunity and stop transmission.

            An unvaccinated covid negative person should have every right to eat food indoors if a vaccinated covid positive person does.

          7. millie bobby brownie

            Yes, I appreciate that is your opinion regarding vaccinated people and non vaccinated people and while I feel differently, I’m not going to tell you you’re wrong for holding that view.

            But it’s still not discrimination in Ireland, which was your original point, and I’ve addressed that – which was my intention.

          8. ian-oG

            @ Mr T

            Your description of people who are HIV positive is quite nasty, even if meant as a joke.

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