This morning.
KN writes:
Was this one not banned/recalled/withdrawn?
Anyone?
Previously: ‘Not In Vain’
Ireland to cease deliveries of AZ, Janssen vaccines – Reid (RTE, August 15)
Update:
A letter from Dr Lucy Jessop of the HSE’s National Immunisation Office, which was sent on August 11th, said that any unused or expired AstraZeneca or Janssen vaccines should be returned and could be removed from fridges.
“As the Janssen Covid-19 vaccine single dose programme is now nearing completion, and Vaxzevria (AstraZeneca) second dose vaccines have now nearly all been administered, any residual vaccines which are not required to complete cohorts should be returned to national cold chain service.
“As the Janssen Covid-19 vaccine single dose programme is now nearing completion, and Vaxzevria (AstraZeneca) second dose vaccines have now nearly all been administered, any residual vaccines which are not required to complete cohorts should be returned to national cold chain service.
“These vaccines can be removed from the fridge and prepared for return, but they must be retained in a secure area that can only be accessed by appropriate personnel.”
Pharmacists in vaccination centres warn of doses going to waste (Irish Times, August 21)
No, it wasn’t. But sure what would national pharmacy chain McCabes know about vaccine regulations, anyone?
Judging by my local branch, they wouldn’t know which end of the syringe to poke in, spectacularly incompetent, badly-run, no stock control, staff spend half their time dealing with irate customers, they regularly give me half my prescription & I have to call back for the rest, still, they are Irish, so you sort of expect them to be poo.
Pharmacies have been well-protected by anti-competition laws, breeding second-rate operations.
Years ago, auditing the books of another big Irish chain, I almost called in the Fraud Squad but they convinced me they were just incompetent, not bent.
Still, good enough for doling out fake vaccines.
‘Was this one not banned/recalled/withdrawn?’
Anyone?’
Even the slightest of handwavey pretensions at journalism would have driven you to do the bare minimum of checking. You literally could have picked up your phone and rung the pharmacy in question. E-mailed them. E-mailed the relevant authority. Done a google. Anything. Really.
Why did we cease deliveries of Jannsen? This is the same vaccine that young footballer from Waterford took.
Roy Butler.
Yes. He was 23 and a top athlete.
And he had a name.
Fake News.
The decision to stop both the AZ and Janssen vaccines was released to the media on 15 Aug 2021;
Roy Butler died on 17 Aug 2021;
His death had nothing to do with that decision.
Via the Irish Times: A letter from Dr Lucy Jessop of the HSE’s National Immunisation Office, which was sent on August 11th, said that any unused or expired AstraZeneca or Janssen vaccines should be returned and could be removed from fridges.“As the Janssen Covid-19 vaccine single dose programme is now nearing completion, and Vaxzevria (AstraZeneca) second dose vaccines have now nearly all been administered, any residual vaccines which are not required to complete cohorts should be returned to national cold chain service.”
You *know* that the decision pre-dated Roy Butler getting the vaccine – but you continue to publish misinformation suggesting there is a link?
That is a disgrace.
What’s this misinformation Cian?
“any residual vaccines which are not required” – its not that hard to comprehend is it?
Define residual, nilbert..
The misinformation is “Why did we cease deliveries of Jannsen? This is the same vaccine that young footballer from Waterford took.”
The decision was made before Roy Butler got his vaccine so had nothing to do with him. The misinformation is making it look like the decision was based on his death.
You got a link?
‘The misinformation is making it look like the decision was based on his death.’
I really must be dense because I could not work out what he was getting at. A crime against humanity and he doesn’t have the gumption to craft stories with even rudimentary clarity or cohesion? Only mentioning Roy Butler in the comments, and not even by name? When pandemic truthers praise Bodger for his brave ‘reporting’ on alternative views of the pandemic and vaccination, they’re setting the bar really low.
Why are you asking me? You’re the news aggregator, go aggregate the relevant news which answers these questions.
I just did.
It’s still woefully incomplete for the issues you seem to be raising.
He just did. What are you having a problem with Nigel?
Can you also highlight
“As the Janssen Covid-19 vaccine single dose programme is now nearing completion, and Vaxzevria (AstraZeneca) second dose vaccines have now nearly all been administered, any residual vaccines which are not required to complete cohorts should be returned to national cold chain service.
‘What are you having a problem with Nigel?’
Anyone?
Too difficult for you Nigel?
Too difficult for you, at any rate.
Do you want fries with that…
No it wasn’t banned, recalled or withdrawn. A decision was made in the last couple of weeks to focus on other vaccines and not to take in new deliveries of the Janssen or Astrazeneca vaccines as there are reliable supply chains for the other two vaccines not because there is something wrong with the vaccines. The Janssen vaccine has a shelf life of 3 months.
george, weren’t the pharmacies told not to use the stocks they had?
Were they? Great that this is being trashed out in the coments rather than presented in some sort of accurate and coherent form in the story itself.
That’s your gripe Nigel?
I dunno, Bodger thinks it’s a crime against humanity, you’d think he’d take the trouble to get a few ducks in a row before posting scattershot, inaccutrate, vague, incomplete… stuff. If it were all that important.
There’s a term for that. One that’s oft denied here. Clickbait I think they call it….
FIGHT!
You literally posted the answer to this:
As the Janssen Covid-19 vaccine single dose programme is now nearing completion, and Vaxzevria (AstraZeneca) second dose vaccines have now nearly all been administered, any residual vaccines which are not required to complete cohorts should be returned to national cold chain service.
I think it means that given they are nearing the end of their shelf-life, please ensure that they are packed up correctly and sent back to the relevant authority.
You may possibly be reading too much into it Bodger.
Maybe it’s a Chinese knock off–Janssen has one n and two ss.
That is really odd.
Pretty big error if it’s a typo alright.
…the grey market?.?
Remember this…
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/11/the-fda-reportedly-forces-jj-to-scrap-about-60-million-doses-of-its-covid-vaccine-.html
KEY POINTS
Federal regulators have decided to scrap about 60 million doses of J&J’s Covid vaccine produced at a troubled Emergent BioSolutions plant in Baltimore.
About 10 million doses of J&J’s vaccine manufactured at the plant will still be distributed in the U.S. and donated to other countries.
I must say this thread is a classic example of huffy deflection by the usual suspects and not one of them will give a clear answer- I asked the very same question last week when the community pharmacists were complaining about not getting the excess- was there an instruction to return all unused or not?
And just a point on the timing of such institution- if it was issued before Roy Butler’s death AND it is confirmed that he died from the jab- which given he started taking fits one hour afterwards is highly likely- who is liable?
was there an instruction to return all unused or not?
According to Bodger’s quote above. No. there was not an instruction to return all unused.
The instruction quoted is “any residual vaccines which are not required to complete cohorts should be returned “. Any that were ear-marked for use were to be used, and any remaining stock should be returned.
I understand it to mean that un-administered vaccines should be returned unless this is the only type of vaccine available. So if you have other vaccines stop administering this one immediately and use different vaccines. Ear-marked doesn’t seem to come in to it.
It doesn’t explain why this vaccine is being recalled.
‘ not one of them will give a clear answer’
We’re not the reporter/editor posting the story on a popular news-aggregator site, we’re just the commenters frustrated by what seems like deliberate vagueness and ambiguity, we want a clear and coherent reprting of the various facts, too, but we’re not going to get them from Bodger, so why the hell are you huffing at us?
Maybe try the https://www.huffpost.com/?