Sajid Javid said most 12-15-year-olds will be able to give their own consent to receive a vaccine if parents object to the jab.
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— Sky News (@SkyNews) September 8, 2021
This afternoon.
The health secretary told Sky News consent will be sought from parents of 12 to 15-year-olds over COVID jabs as it has been “for decades”, but that if a child is believed to be competent enough to make the decision themselves, they “will prevail”.
His comments suggest most individuals in this age category will be able to give their own consent to receive the COVID-19 vaccine if parents object to the jab.
There you go now.
Earlier: Class Divide
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This won’t end well.
What I don’t get is why are they so hell bent on injecting children? There will be injuries and there will be deaths with absolutely no benefits to them- so why?
It’s twisted and sick.
They’ve dug their heels in so much that they can’t be seen to be wrong now.
Anyone here advocating for this mess would have been absolutely disgusted by some of the things we’ve allowed over the past year and half.
Closing society down
Crushing small businesses,
Arresting people for having gatherings
Shaming people on the national news for travelling abroad
Charging people for not wearing a piece of cloth on their gob
Having piece of paper or an app to say where you can or can’t go
Having the Guards arrest people for going outside a certain distance
Forcing kids to wear masks for 6 hours a day
Firing people for not getting medical procedures
and now injecting children with medicine that won’t help them and only helps old people.
Can anyone here say that if presented with these options 18 months ago they would have
been “Yup – sounds great. Sign me up”?
.
.
You’ve come a long way baby…
It’s almost like there was a global pandemic or something.
The next two weeks are crucial…
Yes, Nigel, almost. There was, of course, a Pandemic on TV but like everything on there, it was fictitious.
…AND EVERYONE WAS IN ON IT!!!
Jaysuz lads, ye couldn’t make this up.
The word pandemic means nothing anymore because the WHO changed the criteria several years ago so that not even 1 person needs to die from a virus and they can still declare a pandemic. You should research the Swine flu scam – it’s a similar story to this covid scam. It’s real but not that bad.
Anyway the population continues to increase this year as it did last year.
Less four and a half million people, and counting.
Don’t worry Nigel, we made about 140 million new people to replace them.
Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss…
I’d doubt they can be ‘replaced’ so easiy.
55 million of us are replaced every year…. Barely an inconvenience.
Do you realize
That everyone you know someday will die?
And instead of saying all of your goodbyes
Let them know you realize that life goes fast
It’s hard to make the good things last
You realize the sun doesn’t go down
It’s just an illusion caused by the world spinning round
No one is ever ‘replaced.’
WORST PANDEMIC EVA!!!
+1 Haa
@micko
…and yet they keep digging.
Soon to come: 12 years old get the right to vote.
and order at the bar, married and join the army , sure why the hell not
Meanwhile antivaxxers stay true to their fascist origins by aping their National Front bedfellows’ dangerous tactics
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/sep/08/london-transport-staff-warned-of-razors-inside-covid-conspiracy-posters
You are actually arguing that children should be injured or die now? Because make no mistake, that is what is going to happen.
As above- twisted and sick.
Oh NOW you care about people dying?
And now you don’t.
Her narrative is crumbling and she’s becoming crankier by the day.
Spin and bluster..
I don’t want anyone dying from covid, or from very rare reactions to the vaccine.
Conspiraloons seem to be okay with the former.
The British government’s own advisors have stated that the risks to children are higher than the benefits.
Children WILL get injured from this decision and children WILL die from this decision and no amount of deflection will hide the fact that you are in support of it.
So own it.
“The British government’s own advisors have stated that the risks to children are higher than the benefits”
Wrong. They said the benefits weren’t sufficiently higher than the risks.
Daisy, I can’t figure you out at all, except for one thing: you appear to be the proverbial dog with a bone with this particular subject
I put it to you that this state-led drive (clearly) to vaccinate children makes no sense, none
I consider myself a sane evidence based professional person, not an anti-anything looper, I am only interested in the health, safety and welfare of my children
To date not one single solitary argument made on here/anywhere has convinced me to have my 12 y/o vaccinated and whatever about the various literature available and media opinions out there my family GP has said no…..so it’s no, I’ve written about this before.
what convinces you so much that I should drag my child into this? or any other happy healthy child? I’m not interested in attacking you but I’ve never read any solid explanation from you for your position and I’m wondering if you have one to offer.
She doesn’t.
I’m sure she will have no problems giving a power of attorney to her 12 year old grand-daughter, when the time comes for the nursing home and her own injections.
“ what convinces you so much that I should drag my child into this?”
For each a road
For everyman a religion
Face everybody and rule
Fupp everything and rumble
Forget everything and remember
For everything a reason
She got it…
The person behind the Daisy character is a narcissist, and probably a sociopath.
The subject matter doesn’t count as long as they feel they have won the game- it’s probably the only real emotion they feel- bless em.
Kind of weird how many personality disorders are popping up these days eh?
Oh SoQanon, keep on with the conspiraloon projections.
Keep ruining your own argument with the “Conspiraloon” and “ratlicker” by all means.
+1
name calling leads me to not even read comments
so that would be a NO then?
disappointing
next they’ll want to lower the age of sexual consent
This may be instructive.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gillick_competence?wprov=sfla1
Age of Competence and Age of Consent are 2 very different things.
They learned the hard way that under 16 aren’t mature enough to take puberty blocking drugs:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/01/children-who-want-puberty-blockers-must-understand-effects-high-court-rules
But now they’re mature enough to take experimental novel mRNA therapies with unknown long term effects?
The same antichoice groups behind the insidious anti Trans campaign will use Gillick to stop teenagers from taking the Pill which will lead to them stopping teenagers from accessing abortion care.
What if the parents want to get them vaccinated, but the child refuses? Are they competent then?
This is a rather interesting question…
Though I suspect in that case it’ll be “your parent knows best”.
I too am confounded as to why this age group require vaccination against the expert medical advice provided to the (in fairness) Tory scum. Rather than discuss consent surely the rationale for going against expert advice and proceeding with this plan would be a better service of interests.
But what would I know, fool that I am.
This is it lads. Q predicted this. #pizzagate
Seems like the conspiracy loons have always been with us. Say hello to the Anti-mask League.
https://www.history.com/news/1918-spanish-flu-mask-wearing-resistance
“a special officer for the board of health shot a man who refused to wear a mask as well as two bystanders.”
I wonder what you guys will be coerced into doing?
And I had to laugh:
“ “Today we can look back and see that they flattened the curve”
‘Flatten the curve’
How quaint…
…g’wan the Greta generation…hope…the biggest danger with this demographic was that they might decide that their vaccination might deny someone more deserving…I’ve been in awe of this generation…can’t wait until they can vote!
If you think it is right to inject children with an experimental vaccine so you can feel safe and you can you feel secure then you are the problem, not a virus.
…it doesn’t matter what you or I think…it just matters what the 12yo+ think…they will be able to make their own decisions…’your sons and your daughters are beyond your command’…you will off course be able to apply your magnet test to identify errant tykes…
Very childish commentary Bisted.
Step back and think about it.
…are you advising as the vaxxed…or the non-vaxxed, Giggser…
We went down that road a week or two ago – you high-tailed it from that conversation. Try harder.
…I’m sure your logic behind taking the vaccine was flawless…and apologies for not cataloging your reasoning…but a vaccinated ratlicker…
@Soq You keep saying that people are “injecting their children” so that “you can feel safe”.
What you seem not to realise is that most parents of children under 18 are in the 30-50 age bracket. The virus is not a huge risk for them individually. I think when they make the decision it’s not so that they can feel safe themselves.
I think it would be more correct to say (if you must use such inflammatory language) that people are “injecting their kids so that older and more medically vulnerable people can feel safe.”
But put this way, your argument that it’s done for selfish reasons is undermined though.
(Before responding, please note that I am not giving my view either way, I’m just trying to understand others reasons for their decisions. Also, this constant repetition of a clearly false motivation, projected by you onto your “opposition”, only makes you come across as a non-rational agitator and undermines your credibility.)
@Sten- make no mistake about it- asking young people to risk their health in order to protect older is selfish- particularly when the medium and long term effects are unknown.
That this fact leaves some people uncomfortable is not my problem because they do not have a monopoly on the moral high ground- injecting children for no benefit is as unethical and immoral as it gets.
Particularly now as it is becoming quite clear that these vaccines do not afford any notable level of inoculation against the actual SARS-CoV-2 virus- there is no communitarian argument.
This crap again. What’s experimental about it?
Round in circles we go- it has never been used for vaccines before- that is the very definition of experimental.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_Catcher
opportunities in a post pandemic utopia –
Tories be Tories
It can’t be a good thing for anyone,can’t really be necessary either
Or, better still, Can you tolerate this? https://www.independent.ie/news/anger-after-rte-crew-allowed-to-film-in-maternity-hospital-while-partners-were-told-to-wait-outside-due-to-covid-19-40830621.html
There’s Some c**p written on this above. It’s not an experimental vaccine. Secondly why vaccine children unless long COVID is thought to be an issue.? I suggest you vaccinate until we know for sure. To listen to some you would think they prefer millions of deaths instead of repressing the virus with vaccination. Look at Idaho or any mid West state in the USA where anti vaxers held sway. Hospitals struggling to cope. Has common sense left the planet completely.
mNRA has never been used in a vaccine before- what else could it be if not experimental? There is NO medium or long term safety data- NONE- they have no clue what the longer term side effects could be, so the safe option is to not inject children- at all.
This demographic of 12 -15 year olds are of little risk of CoVid-19 so why risk their health? It is completely irresponsible to do so- it is criminally reckless.
SOQ schooled me on this point a few weeks ago, (fair play). Although there have been many millions of vaccines administered we do not know/can not know of long term affects.
Also, is it a vaccination if the disease has virtually zero chance of harming you?
(We’ve a family gathering on Saturday, 3 siblings with kids, let’s see how it ends up!)
There is, to date, no evidence that the vaccines prevent Long Covid symptoms and affects.
Headline, first thought Manic Street Preachers, the band
Reads comment section, next thought, manic street preacher the phenomena
Carry on…
lol – indeed
also, literally a bunch of strays, mongrels and curs howling at the moon
If such strays, mongrels and curs then why the paid pounce upon a post?
Go check the comment timeline. While you are doing so- the rest of us will watch a Disco Cowboy >>>>
*\o * … 0/ *
https://www.tiktok.com/@craig_major/video/7000866716414774534?is_copy_url=1&is_from_webapp=v1&lang=en
Have you eaten a few space biscuits this evening?
Many of your posts are best understood in that context to be fair.
This from the commenter reported for bullying- more than once.
4 space biscuits? Or a whole packet?
Kudos to Bodger on the headline though, in fairness
When adults were persuaded, bribed, pressured, lied to, coerced, bullied, shamed, guilt-tripped, threatened, excluded, punished, criminalised & dehumanised to take the Fake Vaccines for the Fake Pandemic, you can be sure it was not “for our own good”.
In the case of this attempt to push toxic experimental gene treatments on our children, they don’t even attempt to make that argument & admit it has zero health benefits for children, so you can be damn sure that it’s meant to harm them & everyone knows it certainly will harm them, even kill some of them.
If a single child is harmed by these injections, nothing short of criminal proceedings against those responsible will be acceptable. No excuses, full liability, with the death sentence specially restored for such inexcusable, vile criminality.
Anyone who supports this is mentally ill, very, very stupid or evil beyond imagining.
All the Covid Cultists can ponder which of those categories they fit into.
+ 1
Bwahahaaa!
It’s not China
Ok it is China but they didn’t do it purpose
Don’t wear a mask doctors and nurses need those
They don’t stop the spread anyway
No wait they do stop the spread
You might not need them soon
No wait, better double up to be safe
10 days to flatten the curve
No wait, it should probably be 14
hmmm better make that 30
90 days should flatten it
Ok good job cases are going down
Uh oh we got too complacent they’re going back up
Vaccines might take up to 3 years
Oh wait here’s a vaccine after a few months
It’s been rigorously tested, promise
The vaccine stops covid!
Sorry, I meant to say it stops the SPREAD of covid
That is to say, it will keep you out of the hospital if you get it
But only for the original strain
The Vaccine will only be necessary for at risk groups
Oops, I think ever adult will need to get the vaccine
Better vaccinate the kids just to be safe
2 shots should do it
I mean 3
Actually it’s looking like 4
Why stop at 4, why not forever?. ..
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/novavax-begins-early-stage-trial-combined-influenzacovid-19-vaccine-2021-09-08/?taid=6138e63b6edf5a000104c0a3&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter
OK folks 2 for the price of 1!…
Flashback to October 2020:
Kate Bingham, head of the UK government’s vaccine task force, unequivocally states:
“People keep talking about ‘time to vaccinate the whole population’, but that is misguided. There’s going to be no vaccination of people under 18. It’s an adult-only vaccine, for people over 50, focusing on health workers and care home workers and the vulnerable.”
https://www.ft.com/content/d2e00128-7889-4d5d-84a3-43e51355a751
softly softly catchy monkey
Delta
*Deltoid
…ein volk, ein vaxx…
Anti-vaxxers against vaccines for 12-15 year olds shocker!
Formerly, what’s happening to your adopted country is shocking.
That’s true, the All Blacks really did annihilate them in the Bledisloe Cup and the Rugby Championship
Some seriously embarrassing comments in this thread.
SOQ – I’m scarlet for you. Was there a touch of projection when you said “The subject matter doesn’t count as long as they feel they have won the game” ?
Donkey- you are the one posting under numerous usernames, not me. Young people are going to get injured and some are going to die- do you understand that?
This is not some stupid narcissistic head game on the internet, it is the real world where people will spend the rest of their lives regretting having taken that injection.
Although given a few of the comments in this thread, it is quite obvious that at least one person’s grasp of reality is at best- loose.
Uh-oh looks like we might have to report you for ‘bullying’?
This site gets crazier and crazier by the day.
Charlie, you’d have to be a little touched to regard Jabid as sane.
Jabid?
Oh Javid! :-). Javid is Johnny Sensible compared to some of the knuckle draggers on here these days. It’s an epidemic.
That’s so odd. He seems like a sociopathic freak to me.
You are cooking on gas big dog, good to see you out the kennels, as big R keating sung on the explicit b side, life is a mf’ing rollercoaster.
Truth getting closer than Glenn now, wuuuuu huuuuuuu!
“he’s cooking on gas!”
this is really annoying me, I coulda sworn that catchphrase was belonging to the late great Sid Waddell but I can’t find a reference to it anywhere…anyone?
https://www.lardydarts.com/p/sid-waddell-quotes
(some other great ones here)