It Could Be You [Updated]

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Hans Kluge

This afternoon

The head of the WHO in Europe has expressed doubts about vaccines’ ability to put an end to the Covid pandemic, as new variants dash hopes of reaching herd immunity.

Faced with the possibility that the virus may be around for many years, health officials must now “anticipate how to gradually adapt our vaccination strategy,” in particular on the question of additional doses, Hans Kluge told reporters.

In May, the WHO director had said “the pandemic will be over once we reach 70% minimum coverage in vaccination”.

WHO expresses doubts about vaccines ending pandemic (RTÉ)

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This afternoon.

Meanwhile…

This morning.

Via The Irish Times:

Up to August 31, more than 6.84 million doses of the coronavirus vaccine had been administered, with the Health Products Regulatory Authority (HPRA) receiving 14,844 reports of suspected side effects in the same period. Of these, 8,686 related to Pfizer or Moderna mRNA technology vaccines, while adenoviral vector vaccines (AstraZeneca and Janssen) accounted for 6,059 reports.

The HPRA says it received 78 reports of suspected side effects among adolescents aged 12-17 years who had received an mRNA vaccine. The agency is “closely monitoring” any reports related to teenagers and overall the symptoms are consistent with those reported in adults.

There have been 60 reports relating to inflammatory conditions of the heart in people who had received an mRNA vaccine. Of these, 18 were suspected myocarditis, 26 suspected pericarditis and 16 were a combination of the two.

Nine reports of blood clotting combined with low platelets were reported among people who had received the AstraZeneca or Janssen vaccines.

Nine reports of a rare immune disorder of the nerves, Guillain-Barré syndrome, have also been received following vaccination with AstraZeneca or Janssen

There have been 86 instances (75 involving an mRNA vaccine) where an individual who had been vaccinated subsequently passed away.

Nearly 15,000 reports of suspected Covid vaccine side effects made to HPRA (Irish Times)

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73 thoughts on “It Could Be You [Updated]”

  1. tom2

    About to tear it up on a pub crawl in a few hours. Thank you vaccines! Have fun at home Bodger, I’m sure you’ve got plenty of great youtube docs on the NWO to keep you going.

    2. E'Matty

      So here we have one of the more fanatical vaxx lunatics stating he is about to engage in a pub crawl. Pretty sure you’re more of a virus spread risk than anyone else on this site with actions like that. Hypocrisy one of your strongest traits it would appear.

      1. SOQ

        His point is that doctors do not have the time to be spending twenty minutes per report, The same criticism has been made about the northern reporting system of course- that it has been made deliberately time consuming and overly complicated.

        If my time in state and semi state is anything to go by mind, I would say it is just some clueless idiot who couldn’t care less.

        1. Cian

          My point is the doctor doesn’t have to do it.

          If you (or family member) have an adverse affect from any medication you can report it yourself.

  4. username already in use

    Lol… Is this the new “anti-corruption Ireland” support group site? Gemtrails or Ben Gilroy not enough for ye?

    Anti-vax misinformed waffle mixed with Nwo fantasy. Does the world really need an Irish dimestore InfoWars???

    Thankfully, over 90% of Irish citizenship don’t listen or look at this nonsense.

    3. Zaccone

      “this site is absolutely terrible!!”

      Says one of the most frequent commentators on it… Mustn’t be that bad if you’re spending so much of your time on it eh?

  5. Micko

    Regardless of us arguing over the same crap every day about who should have the jab or not

    The fact is millions have taken them, and I would like to ask.

    Does that not seem like a pretty high number of issues to be having with vaccines? Is it just that its a short period of time (9 months) that there’s so many?

    I know lots (millions) have taken them and 15000 is a VERY small percentage of those.

    But, how do they stack up to older vaccines that we give out? MMR, polio etc?

    Are they in the same ballpark regards types of side effects?

    Especially when looking at the 78 more severe issues caused.
    Of course they would be smaller groups spread across years as we don’t each get an MMR jab very year.

    Does anyone know?

    1. Mr.T

      Established vaccines for children and adults have an order of magnitude lower side effects.

      For any epidemic in the past, if a vaccine had as many side effects as these (even though in absolute terms they are still a low number), it would be pulled. Several swine flu vaccines, in the last decade, and another in the 80s(?) were marred by vaccines that had to ultimately be pulled from use due to unacceptable levels of side effects. They were “safer” than current covid vaccines.

      1. Micko

        Thanks Mr T

        That initially would seem to be pretty worrying alright.

        Could you give an example of what a “pre-covid vaccine’s” safety record would be like? And what level of side effects would cause a vaccine to be pulled previously?

        Also, does anyone disagree?

          1. Cian

            There have been more adverse events reported.

            But if you blindly accept that all these adverse events are caused by the vaccine, then you should add all the people that blame autism on the MMR vaccine to the 1990 list.

        2. Micko

          Thanks Chris.

          Would you know if those injuries would see a similar amount if we extended them out over the same period of time.

          Obv we’re jabbing people 9 months with Covid jabs, but if we say hypothetically stretched them out out over 31 years (1991) would the numbers be comparable.

          And does anyone disagree with Chris?

    2. George

      Side effects include nausea and mild headaches. The number doesn’t seem high. The actual number would be much higher as most people aren’t going to report experiencing nausea or a headache for one day.

      1. george

        The actual reported symptoms are below. They are not confirmed as caused by the vaccine.

        10313 – general symptoms and local reactions e.g. chills, fatigue, ‘flu-like’ feeling, fever, injection site pain or swelling

        5821 – Nervous system e.g. dizziness, headache, lack of energy, pins &
        needles, fainting or feeling faint

        3971 – Muscles, tissue, bones or joints e.g. general muscular pain or
        weakness

        2952 – Gastrointestinal e.g. nausea, vomiting, diarrhoea

        2363 – Skin e.g. rash, itchy rash

        1188 – Reproductive system, obstetrics or gynaecology related e.g.
        menstrual disturbance

        1165 – Respiratory e.g. cough, shortness of breath

        879 – Behavioural, emotional and mental health e.g. insomnia, trouble
        sleeping

        655 – Cardiac (heart) related e.g. palpitations

        642 – Social circumstances e.g. need to rest in bed or take a break
        from normal daily activities

        613 – Blood and lymphatic system e.g. swollen glands

        587- Eye e.g. eye pain, vision blurred

        522 – Procedural issues and complications e.g. injection site bruising

        511 – Abnormal clinical or laboratory result (i.e. where information is
        provided on results of relevant tests) e.g. high temperature (via
        thermometer), increased heart rate or blood pressure (via BP
        monitor)

        432 – Blood vessel related (i.e. veins/arteries) e.g. pale complexion

        407 – Infection e.g. local or general such as influenza or cold sore

        365 – Ear related e.g. earache, tinnitus

        246 – Metabolism and nutrition disorders e.g. decreased appetite

        125 – Immune system related e.g. hypersensitivity, allergic reaction

        73 – Kidney related e.g. change in frequency of urination

        17 – Liver related e.g. jaundice

        13 – Endocrine (hormone)

        7 – Cysts and polyps

        2. GiggidyGoo

          ‘They are not confirmed as caused by the vaccine.’

          Like the deaths that are not confirmed as ’caused by covid’, yet are counted as such?

        3. DaithiG

          “642 – Social circumstances e.g. need to rest in bed or take a break
          from normal daily activities”

          How is that a symptom?
          Wouldn’t you do that if you suffered from fatigue? Which would be the actual symptom?

      2. Cian

        So does the flu vaccine: But people expect these and most don’t bother to report it.


        What are the side effects that could occur?

        Common side effects from a flu shot include soreness, redness, and/or swelling where the shot was given, headache (low grade), fever, nausea, muscle aches, and fatigue. The flu shot, like other injections, can occasionally cause fainting.

        Can severe problems occur?
        Life-threatening allergic reactions to flu shots are very rare. Signs of serious allergic reaction can include breathing problems, hoarseness or wheezing, hives, paleness, weakness, a fast heartbeat, or dizziness. If they do occur, it is usually within a few minutes to a few hours after receiving the shot. These reactions can occur among persons who are allergic to something that is in the vaccine, such as egg protein or other ingredients. While severe reactions are uncommon, you should let your doctor, nurse, clinic, or pharmacist know if you have a history of allergy or severe reaction to influenza vaccine or any part of flu vaccine.

        There is a small possibility that flu vaccine could be associated with Guillain-Barré syndrome, generally no more than 1 or 2 cases per million people vaccinated. This is much lower than the risk of severe complications from flu, which can be prevented by flu vaccine.
        https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/flushot.htm

    3. freewheeling

      These are only short-term adverse reactions records. The real concern is what long term vaccine-induced complications might arise. The whole population is acting as one big experimental clinical group to ascertain that data. The percentage of those having long term “reactions” to the vaccine will be higher than what’s recorded as short term adverse events. There’s already indications of what those longer term problems could be (due to a better understanding of the spike protein behaviour and distribution), and there’s also some vaccine-linked events happening that many GPs/patients aren’t even aware to monitor for yet, as they don’t appear on the vaccine info. leaflets and will be specific to those having other conditions too (e.g. reactivation of old viruses such as shingles, and some dormant cancers too). We won’t get the complete picture for years yet of what we’ve been injecting.

      1. Micko

        Yup I completely agree on the potential long term effects freewheeling and that’s the reason I won’t personally take it (and I’ve had covid) and why my child won’t be getting it either.

        But, since none of us can tell the future. We probably have to go with the data presented to us right now and look at that.

        What do you think of the numbers above?

        Plus, as a bonus – no ones calling anyone names. ;-)

        Yet…

        1. freewheeling

          ADE. Scuppered every previous attempt to develop a vaccine for coronaviruses. Develops when you next contract the actual virus after the vaccine protection has waned.

          1. Mr.T

            And before anyone says this is theoretical – it was teh reason why Dengue Fever vaccines failed to progress through Phase 3 trials. Encountering separate strains of Dengue led to a higher risk of death in those vaccinated.

      3. Micko

        I think the narcolepsy side effect from Pandemrix took a good while to be detected George and then even longer for the injured to be believed.

        I don’t know the exact dates though.

        Anyone?

    4. alickdouglas

      Tricky; couple of things to consider

      1) adverse event reporting is now easier than ever (via internet for example)
      2) people (vaccinees and drs) are now more aware that they can/should report adverse events.

      If one agrees with the above, one could assume that adverse events for previous vaccines were under-reported, and adverse events for COVID19 vaccines are over-reported. To do the analysis you are suggesting then, one would need to correct the imbalance. In theory this is a relatively straightforward practice, essentially it’s correction for confounders (sometimes incorrectly called covariates). The head scratcher is about what magnitude of correction one puts in. Convention would suggest that the most experienced epidemiologists are the most likely to make these corrections appropriately.

      Ultimately the agencies that attract the most qualified epidemiologists and who have the most experience with these large database analyses are folks who have the easiest access to the databases: this would include Kaiser Permanente in the US, whatever the English are calling PHE these days, and Clalit in Israel (there are others, just stopped at the 3 with the biggest reputation). Those agencies analyses generally suggest that the reacto profile of the vaccines isn’t fundamentally different to the predecessors. On a side note, those agencies generally publish pretty thorough supporting data for those results, so scrutiny is generally possible. That said all of those are certainly touched by the hand of Bill, so take from that what you will.

      1. SOQ

        Well US VAERS has traditionally been grossly under reported pre CoVid-19, which is the only real template.

        As for over reporting- apart from the few of the one event- the rest are just lying surely?

      2. f_lawless

        I think another thing worth considering is the possibility that there have been many people reluctant to report their adverse reactions and would only do so if and when they crossed a threshold of becoming sufficiently alarmed by them.

        There’s so much societal pressure being put on people to become members of “good citizen vaccinated club”, and there may be a fear that by speaking out in some way against the vaccines risks getting yourself associated with the “anti-vaxxer mob”.

        I’ve seen many examples on social media of people saying that they had a really rough reaction to the vaccine but were under the mistaken belief that this just meant they were developing a really strong immune reaction.

        Another example: a young colleague of mine got vaccinated a few weeks back. The next day had to go home from work feeling weak and suffering from a headache. Out of work for four days. Upon his return told me that he still wasn’t feeling great and one night he didn’t get out of bed for 13 hours. I asked him “Did you contact your GP for some advice?” He just frowned and said “No. These kinds of reactions are normal enough, right? Just a got a bad dose I guess”. As though he was psychologically reluctant to have himself officially registered as someone who had an adverse reaction

      1. SOQ

        Yes remorse is definitely becoming a thing now- new levels of vaccine related hypochondria are set to emerge.

    2. John Moore

      I put that down to a nagging doubt in their minds now the narrative has moved on to boosters being required

  8. hmmm

    That Citi-Group graph is the coup de grâce for the pro-vaccine agenda.

    I expect the apologies for SOQ and Bodger will be (lost in) the post.

      1. SOQ

        OK I feel it is time broadsheet.ie went in a different direction- a funeral home maybe?

        The motto shall be- welcome to the broadsheet.ie funeral home- you jab em, we slab em.

  9. DaithiG

    Swelling of the arms, fatigue for a few days, that’s considered a side effect which are reported. I had that after both doses. I’d rather be tired for a few days with a sore arm than get Covid, or worse, pass it on to someone I love who might die from it.

    What are the stats for hospitalisations from the vaccine. Do we know that the 86 deaths were caused by the vaccine, I hate to upset people but people die all the time. The old correlation vs causation thingy.

    You are highlighting absolute figures to scare people. 10s of thousands sounds really frightening, but 14844 out of 6.8 mill is 0.2%. And we don’t know for sure that in every case these are actual side effects and not just a coincidence that someone got sick for whatever reason, again, correlation vs causation.
    That’s not even that much of a correlation.

    1. Hank

      I’m surprised a pain in your arm where you were injected is counted as a side effect, Every single person I know of, myself included, who’s been jabbed had a slight pain in the arm the day after.

    2. E'Matty

      “I’d rather be tired for a few days with a sore arm than get Covid, or worse, pass it on to someone I love who might die from it.” Daithi clearly oblivious to the fact he can still contract and transmit the virus when vaccinated. Jaysus, at this stage how are people so behind the curve?

  10. SOQ

    Quote of the day- “A vaccine which is held in higher regard than a negative test from the actual virus, is sketchy.”

    1. Cian

      Quote of the day:

      “The vaccinated think the anti-vaxxers are crazy,
      The ant-vaxers think the vaccinated are crazy,
      The vaccinated want the anti-vaxxers to get jabbed.
      The anti-vaxers want the vaccinated to get ADE”

      1. hmmm

        Is that a quote from yoursefl Cian?

        No conscientiousness objector to the coerced pointless COVID vax wants any of the vaccinated to get ADE.

        That’s an inflammatory slur and you should withdraw it.

        We, the critically thinking proponents of medical autonomy have dozens and hundreds of friends and family who have taken the dodgy vax. Why would be wish harm to them? Thinking we would wish them harm is the crazy.

      2. Cui Bono?

        The last thing I want is for anyone to get ADE – most of my friends and family have taken the covid vax.

        I’m not an anti-vaxxer either – I just see no logical reason to take this particular vaccine.

        1. Chris

          This is really the thing, I’m waking in cold sweats at the thought of what could happen. The one’s wishing death really seem to be the most vocal vax supporters (see Reddit) its chilling but I’m beginning to understand why. At least a decade of mind rot from smartphones and social media.

          Brainwashed and lost their humanity.

      4. Micko

        Sorry now. What’s ADE?

        Missed a lot of this, just outta the cinema.

        Went to Marvels latest. Not good. Starts out ok – but the end Christ almighty.

        Should be renamed ‘Bored of the Rings’ ;-)

      5. E'Matty

        “The anti-vaxers want the vaccinated to get ADE” No, I’d prefer to not have to watch my parents, sister and brother-in-law die of ADE. Weird comment to make. Something I’d expect from Daisy but not you Cian.

    1. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

      poor show, I watched ladies in tears in the waiting rooms of emergency franticly texting partners outside, the atmosphere reminded me of a down at heel dog pound, tense and sad and lonely, while I presume RTE could swan in ?

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