Edwin Poots

This morning.

“People are listening to the biggest load of rubbish, and someone said to me the other day that everybody who has taken the vaccination will all be dead in three years, and this is the sort of nonsense that has been spread amongst a small cadre of people.

“But the outworking of that is that people who need cancer care in hospital and other major surgeries, life-saving surgeries, cannot get it because those beds are full of people who haven’t been vaccinated – the intensive care units are full of people not vaccinated.

People need to catch themselves on and go and get the vaccination.

It is not going to be some new world order thing, it’s something that has been worked out by hundreds of different scientists from different institutions across the world, and we need the vaccination to be rolled out to as many as possible.”

Edwin Poots, Northern Ireland Agriculture Minister and former DUP Leader.

Bout ye.

Vaccine conspiracy theorists should ‘catch themselves on’ – Poots (RTÉ)

Previously: No New World order, Says New World Order

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53 thoughts on “No World Order

    1. Nigel

      I suppose it’s the difference between a crowd calling a gay man a pedophile and a government minister making a factual statement that can be verified though some elementary journalism, since two things can be true a) he’s awful, his party is awful, and b) what he’s saying. It’s an easy obvious point to make, and perhaps pandemic truthers could have made a similar point about that homophobic group and what and who it represents, yet pandemic truthers flailed and lashed out in defensive aggression rather than attempt to be objective about things. Now we have this as some sort of effort to balance the scales, which shows the priorities of the pandemic truthers – not to find and tell the truth, but to score points off normies along the lines of one of the nastier online massage boards.

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        1. Nigel

          It’s a lot of words to say that just because Edwin Poots says it doesn’t mean it isn’t true. Does this angle of attack mean you now agree with that homophobic gang?

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          1. Nigel

            Do you think there’s a formulation of words whereby I catch myself out and ‘agree with Edmund Poots’ that will make you right and me wrong? Because that’s not how the truth works.

      1. Micko

        Sure Nigel

        It’s the exact same. As in;

        “People ‘X’ act awfully and are terrible and they think similarly to you on ONE single subject. Therefore YOU are awful”

        Absolute rubbish.

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        BTW, I don’t think Poots and people like you on Broadsheet are comparable or even similar. To do so would be moronic beyond belief.

        Just highlighting the absolutely ridiculous carry on that went on yesterday between people on this site attacking Bodger.

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        1. Nigel

          Well, I agree. I think you’ve shown yourself to be wrong without needing to link you to that nasty shower. On the other hand that doesn’t mean that the wider issue of the antvaxx/pandemic-truther movement can’t be looked at.

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          1. Micko

            Ah targeting me now. I’m “wrong” am I? (not that there’s anything with being wrong on something – only a complete melon insists they are correct all the time)

            Weak reply Nigel

            What the hell is the ” antvaxx/pandemic-truther movement ” btw?

            You and other here are deliberately ignoring the nuances in a situation and associating someone with undesirables merely because they share an opinion on a single subject.

            And as I’ve quoted here before and was said by a very wise man…

            “Tyranny is the deliberate removal of nuance”

          2. Nigel

            ‘Ah targeting me now. I’m “wrong” am I?’

            It’s just a more blunt way of saying ‘we disagree.’ I’d be pretty shocked if you didn’t think I was wrong.

            ‘You and other here are deliberately ignoring the nuances in a situation and associating someone with undesirables merely because they share an opinion on a single subject.’

            On the contrary, you’re trying to narrow down the discussion to a comfortable middle ground while other people are trying to broaden it out and point out that there are some scary extremes involved while trying to keep it grounded in as factual a reality as we can. On your own end you can hardly think that the people who support pandemic measures actually like or trust our current government. Meanwhile Bodger and a whole bunch of commenters are trying to turn a complex, difficult and fluid situation into a simple paranoid fantasy of good versus evil. THAT’S a removal of nuance on a grand scale.

    2. U N M U T U A L

      …doesn’t Edwin have his own ideas on the newness of the world,… 6,000 and 10,000 years is the ballpark figure.
      That’s some top science advice from a, wait for it….young earth creationist.

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    1. george

      He’s not leader anymore though, he only lasted a week or two.

      Jeffrey Donaldson has said similar things though without the “New World Order” reference.

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  1. Dell

    Of course the difference being that none of us are going to any of your houses to call you paedos because we think you are wrong on this, not even this guy and he’s pretty hardcore when he thinks he’s right. He’s an absolutely awful excuse for a human at the best of times but he has stopped short of what your associates have been doing.

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      1. Dell

        Yes I believe you are very insincere.. but you know the first step towards healing is admitting it .. well done rat on fire. I think you are very rat-tled by me .. you don’t seem to be able to stay away from anything I say. Sweet but also kind of creepy . Now back to the box room in your parents house with you to do some more important research.

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        1. Man On Fire

          You’re not saying anything for me to follow, you’re actually typing it.

          See, neither you or your comments are sincere.

          Correct me if I’m wrong.

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          1. Dell

            Correcting Grammer is what you’re reduced to? ROFL

            Was that because you learned about verbs to do with the spoken word versus the written word today in school ? Well done rat led boy . Nice way to avoid addressing you’re somewhat stalkerish behaviour of my comments . It’s ok , you can keep stalking them , I think every time.you comment you remove any doubt from anyone’s mind about what kind of nasty individual you are. Skuttle skuttle rat boy

          2. Dell

            Heads up though little rat on fire, I’ve had my fill of bodger based hypocrisy and amnesia, conspiracy riddled comments and nasty rat-led cheerleaders for a while again and I’ve gotten some new orders in this afternoon which is going to keep me busy again for a while so I won’t be on for a few weeks if not months . Try not to miss me too much and keep the head down and you’ll do grand in the leaving cert.

          3. Dell

            You often do that , accuse people of having more than one name /handle on here. I wonder is it because you do that yourself ? Projection as you so fondly accuse others of doing. Now given that you spend an enormous amount of time defending and praising everything bodger says could you possibly actually be bodger?. food for thought or maybe all of you conspiracy nuts have rubbed off on me? Either way some of us do have a life outside of this and I’ve wasted far too much time on here the past couple of days. If you are bodger, get a grip man!! But if you’re the teenage rat that I originally thought you were , I’ll have a word with the locals in the day care centre to light a candle for you come exam time.

  2. White Dove

    If – which I doubt, as it does not reflect my experience, the vax/non-vax distinction is causing difficulty in hospitals, this is because the Irish/Northern Irish governments did not prepare properly for the inevitable situation in which people might decide to exercise their human right to bodily integrity and not get vaxed, instead adopting a policy of media pressure to obscure this human right from people and bully them into waiving it without informed consent.

    One has to ask – why was this policy adopted? Was it cackhandedness – or financial pressure from abroad. Should human rights be subject to financial pressure.

    Also… where’s the 93% now? Only 7% unvaccinated should not be causing problems in terms of hospital treatment of the other 93%.

    None of this adds up.

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  3. White Dove

    If – which I doubt, as it does not reflect my experience, the vax/non-vax distinction is causing difficulty in hospitals, this is because the Irish/Northern Irish governments did not prepare properly for the inevitable situation in which people might decide to exercise their human right to bodily integrity and not get vaxed, instead adopting a policy of media pressure to obscure this human right from people and bully them into exercising it without informed consent.

    One has to ask – why was this policy adopted? Was it cackhandedness – or financial pressure from abroad. Should the human rights of Irish people be subject to financial pressure from outside?

    Also… where’s the 93% now? Only 7% unvaccinated should not be causing problems in terms of hospital treatment of the other 93%.

    None of this adds up.

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    1. george

      Covid-19 patients in hospital take up a disproportion amount of resources due to additional measures required to prevent the spread of their infection. There are hundreds of unvaccinated people in N.Ireland in hospital with Covid-19 who would not be there if they were vaccinated at a time when the hospitals are very busy.

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      1. GiggidyGoo

        What was the excuse pre- Covid? Record breaking numbers on trollies, waiting lists, cancellations year on year. No covid to blame then. What was it?

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        1. George

          There is no excuse being offered now and there was no excuse before. If your hospitals busy you’d prefer not to have hundreds of people admitted unnecessarily. That is a simple fact.

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    2. SOQ

      Of course it doesn’t add up- the vaccines are failing, it really is that simple, because otherwise the ONLY people in hospitals would be the non vaccinated.

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      1. White Dove

        Totally. The kindest analysis from point of view of the government is that they failed to plan not only for a less than 100% vaccine take up rate but more importantly for the possibility that the vaccine might not be 100% effective.

        It’s the usual blame the public for our own mistakes, what makes it more egregious in this case is that it is not just excusing government mistakes by blaming the public but it is excusing government mistakes by blaming the public for exercising their right to bodily integrity which is one of the most fundamental human rights.

        Stop spending money on bullying the non-vaxed and start spending money on health to deal with the consequences of vaccines not being fully effective.

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      2. George

        60% of those in ICU with covid are unvaccinated despite being only 9% of the population. 40% of those ICU are under 50.

        Not getting vaccinated isn’t working.

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        1. GiggidyGoo

          Does that mean then that 40% – 40% – in ICU suffering from covid are vaccinated? Not a great figure to be producing to try prove a point is it?
          Going by your figures (wherever you got them), vaccination isn’t working either.

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          1. george

            I wonder how you could figure out where I got the figures. Take a second to google. They come from the HSE, the people who run the hospitals.

            If vaccination didn’t work then 91% of people in hospital would be vaccinated and 9% not.

            Do you know how numbers work?

            Last month Ronan Glynn said 95.5% of the people who have died of Covid-19 in the previous four months had also not been vaccinated.

          2. Micko

            I don’t think anyone is saying the vaccines don’t don’t work, just questioning who needs them seems to be the theme.

            Is there a link to those actual percentages reported by the HSE George? I did Google it and all I found were articles claiming different percentages.

            Probably a good idea for the HSE to release the exact numbers of Vax’d vs Unvax’d in hospital as they would encourage people to get vaccinated.

            No?

          3. Nigel

            ‘I don’t think anyone is saying the vaccines don’t don’t work,’

            SOQ and Giggidy are saying they don’t work, there are four or five others who are saying they’re designed to wipe out and/or control the global population, to say nothing of Bodger who thinks they’re the worst, albeit unspecified. evil ever inflicted on the human race.

          4. Micko

            Well then I’d disagree with that. And the lads can defend themselves I’m sure. See! “nuanced opinions” :-)

            My only issue is jabbing over 90% of the adult population with a new medicine in a tiny space of time.

            Never really been done before

            Save it for who really needs it. And I’ve been bloody consistent in my opinion. I am pro vaccines

            But do you think publishing the figures would help?

          5. Nigel

            Rock and a hard place. The disease which has killed 4.6 million people or something developed by modern medical science to protect you from the disease. If you don’t acknowledge that a) that’s the choice and b) the perfect is the enemy of the good, then you are ignoring nuance.

          6. Micko

            Except while the vaccines have worked in stopping deaths, they vaccines don’t seem to have lasting effects. as we are seeing in Israel.

            Who are now talking about a 4th booster and restricting the movement of those who don’t have 3 doses now.

            Now if you’ve your entire population tied into a system that only allows you to retain your rights to free movement if you are currently vaccinated, can you not see how that would be a massive problem in the future?

            Even how if it could POTENTIALLY be a problem?

            Now if you’re willing to accept that, that is our future (ongoing boosters) – then that’s where we differ. If as you say “that’s the choice” – the ONLY choice

            I don’t think a future like that sounds like something I be into tbh.

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