After an average period of three to four months, fully vaccinated people were found to be 73% protected against infection and 90% protected against hospitalisation https://t.co/4QdrGtpdpb
— RTÉ News (@rtenews) October 5, 2021
This morning.
Pfizer vaccine prevents severe Covid for at least 6 months – study (RTÉ)
Meanwhile…
Last night.
Project Veritas released the fourth part of an investigations into the Covid vaccine.
Three Pfizer scientists told undercover journalists that natural antibodies are a better protection against Covid than the vaccine, with one saying:
“When somebody is naturally immune — like they got COVID — they probably have more antibodies against the virus…When you actually get the virus, you’re going to start producing antibodies against multiple pieces of the virus…So, your antibodies are probably better at that point than the [COVID] vaccination.”
Pfizer Scientist: ‘Your Antibodies are Probably Better than the Vaccination’ (Project Veritas)
veritas are a far right pro trump organisation, touting them as journalists at this point is embarrassing
Contempt prior to investigation….
I think we found another glow-bull-ist
You haven’t investigated Project Veritas to see if it’s a credible source? Shame on you in this modern age of fake news and disinformation, tsk tsk.
All media are biased and we know where Project veritas sympathies and bias lie but that in no way negates the fact the people they record say they things they do. The pathetic attempt to just ignore what’s being said despite it being fully recorded and documented displays the bias of you and Boe above.
Yes, we do know how awful and dishonest they are, but let’s hear them out.
He didn’t say that you should heard Veritas out, he said you should hear those interviewed.
All you’ve done with that comment is prove his point about your own bias.
Jeez, Nigel….
Your Reading Comprehension Score is a clear zero with that response.
If you need to go to a sensationalistic Project Veritas sleaze-show trying to big it up as an incredible revelation, sure, it’s a great place to hear someone talk about different types of immunity.
If it hasn’t been fact checked by Pfizer, Nigel doesn’t want to know
Checking facts is pharma fascism, apparently.
The convergence of the corporate with the state is fascism, there’s no ‘apparently’ about it.
Yeah, a right-wing-US billionaire-funded sleazy hit–media outfit is your best source on the dangers of the convergence of the state and corporations.
Yes and billionaire funded Thompson Reuters is totes legit..
More legit than Project Veritas? By a country mile and then some. Admittedly that’s a bar so low an ant could step over it, but there you go.
Wait’ll you find out who funds Project Veritas. Your conflict-ot-interest-ometer will explode.
Koch? Who’s foundation is also heavily invested in Pharma? It’s called playing both sides of the coin. I don’t see the Project Veritas allegations as anything that wasn’t already known, I wouldn’t be surprised if these leaks are intentional either.
It’s because in the US – and by extension it’s something they want to spread to Europe, as with Brexit – people like the Kochs can leverage culture war media hit-pieces like this into support for politicians that push privatisation and deregulation, which benefits big corporations, like pharma, who can then do more of the things we all hate them for with more impunity. You rube.
Nigel doesn’t understand the term ‘playing both sides of the coin’ & it’s objectives. There isn’t ‘good & bad guys’ just the elites whom you bend over backwards to defend. Rube indeed.
That’s funny, I just described it. It’s not even some sort of secret conspiracy, it’s pretty much out there in the open. If I was being played for a rube the way you are, I wouldn’t want to acknowledge it, either.
You described a narrative you’re been fed. You’re understanding of corporate geopolitics is as vapid as your insight into the ‘vaccines’.
No, I described a verfifiable series of actions and influences, you just make stuff up.
Verify them for us Nigel..
Enlighten us
I did.
Nope, bluster and whataboutery don’t count, verify what you’ve stated..
Can you point to the bit that’s too difficult for your poor wee brain?
More deflection, you were asked to verify your statement, with proof.
I’m genuinely curious as to which bits you don’t believe.
No you’re not. You’re unable to reply because you don’t know. You didn’t know Thompson Reuters were basically on the board of Pfizer. You haven’t a clue what you’re talking about outside of what the guardian and the national geographic tell you.
Wait, so you don’t think the Koch Foundation and other right wing orgs have funded Project Veritas, that PV is a right-wing media smear outfit driving outrage against Democrats and support for Republicans, that Republicans are in favour of privatisation, deregulation, not to mention oppose to action on climate change, and that this benefits people like Koch (an oil guy as well as a pharma guy?) Where am I wrong in any of that?
Green energy too Nigel https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/koch-engineered-solutions-and-fidelis-infrastructure-lp-partner-for-9-2-billion-investment-in-renewable-energy-ecosystem-in-louisiana-301272411.html
Both sides of the coin..
The chances of any schemes initiated by the likes of the Kochs being truly Green or sustainable or eco-friendly are pretty remote.
BS’s anti vaxxer bullpoo articles apart from being dangerous to health as they are designed to induce vaccine hesitancy and worse, are the equivalent of the Westboro Baptists sermons of being kind to your fellow man/woman.
BS is now mouthpiece for Veritas, suits it alright.
So why are you still here?
yes, and Boe_Jiden is a Pfizer funded, Democrat propaganda media bot located in the Peoples Republic of China, if you think this is a real person, you’re stupid
#VAXX4EVA
‘Probably.’ All you have to do is catch a disease that has killed nearly five million people worldwide, landed God knows how many on ventilators and in ICU wards, and left untold numbers with long-term disabilities. What a gotcha. Catch covd, take Ivermectin, you’re sorted, eh? ‘Probably.’
Just making up numbers again, eh Nigel?
Don’t you have to go somewhere and imply someone who disagrees with you is an evil fascist?
Why would I have to go anywhere when I can stay here and let them come to me?
So that’s why you sit here day after day ready to shame anyone who won’t bow to your endless nonsense.
Figures.
https://babylonbee.com/news/counter-cultural-rebel-believes-everything-athletes-reporters-actors-ceos-believe
Running like whipped dogs to Project Veritas is for people who don’t feel shame.
“whipped dogs”
proyección o fantasía ?
I’m not lapping up the leavings of the last surviving Koch and friends.
Nigel, it’s getting tedious to have to observe someone in the throes of cognitive dissonance filling up the comment sections with poorly conceived arguments. Is it too much to ask to request that you take a break from lashing out at others?
There’s already a wealth of evidence that has emerged that naturally acquired immunity is much superior to that gained from the Covid vaccines. This undercover reporting just us gives an insight to the paranoid oppressive working environment in Pfizer where inconvenient truths must be suppressed.
With so many millions of people around the world who have already been exposed to Covid and gained natural immunity, there can be no justification for the totalitarian vaccine passport system – as if there ever was. This video footage just underlines that fact.
You’re confusing the argument that naturally acquired immunity may be superior to that gained via covid vaccines with the argument that we don’t want everyone to catch covid and acquire immunity that way because lots of people will die or become seriously ill in the short and/or long term and even the best health care systems will collapse.
You’re also just making the argument that people with immunity acquired from catching covid should be included in the totalitarian vaccine passport system. Talk about cognitive dissonance.
Yeah Nigel, naturally acquired immunity against Polio, Measles and all the others is much better than those nasty vaccines.
Finally, Cian, you get something right. Real vaccines, like those you mentioned, create the exact same real immunity, powerful & extremely long-lasting, as exposure to any pathogen because they actually involve exposure to the actual pathogens.
The fake Covid vaccines are entirely different.
Well done.
Cian just got burned
Who’s arguing with you that we want everyone to catch Covid to acquire immunity? If you were being honest with yourself you’d accept that this is just a strawman argument that you have invented.
“You’re also just making the argument that people with immunity acquired from catching covid should be included in the totalitarian vaccine passport system.” I’ve no idea how you could honestly interpret what I’ve written in that way. The evidence that naturally acquired immunity is superior is yet another compelling reason why there’s no justification for the vaccine passport system. That’s my viewpoint.
If that’s not the argument, then what’s the argument?
‘The evidence that naturally acquired immunity is superior is yet another compelling reason why there’s no justification for the vaccine passport system.’
That’s not an argument, that’s a non sequiter.
You’re really churning out the comments today. The time limit of 6 months which has been incorporated into the vaccine passport system for the validity of naturally acquired immunity is completely arbitrary and is really just another form of coercion into this so called “biosecurity surveillance” system where the intention is that regular vaccinations will become a mandatory requirement in order to access various aspects of everyday public life.
The long-lasting, naturally acquired immunity stands in contrast to short-term immunity of vaccines which don’t even prevent transmission and this lack of acknowledgement is yet another reason why the passport system doesn’t stand up to scientific scrutiny and should never have been introduced in the first place – and that’s without even getting into all the ethical issues.
To assert that I’m actually arguing in favour of a vax passport system is troll-like behaviour and not a genuine form of engagement. Stop wasting mine and others’ time with your incessant need for one-upmanship. Find healthier ways to nurture your ego.
Since more poepe will have acquired immunity through passports than through infection, it only makes sense to have the system vaccine based. if you want to argue that immunity acquired through infection should count, too, go ahead, that seems entirely defensible to me.
Careful your authoritarian streak is showing again
It’s been dowhill to serfdom since they banned rabies.
Nigel, no health services collapsed. At the height of the fake pandemic 17% of our hospital beds were occupied by Covid victims. Even allowing for the fact that this was mid-February, so they were Covid victims with the flu, stop with the Chicken Little nonsense, the sky didn’t fall in.
It’s almost as if hospitals 17% full of severely ill highly infectious covid victims was in and of itself a bit of a disaster for reasons so obvious it’s hard to credit you don’t understand them.
#ItIsJustTheFlu
2019 C Span, fauci and Co discuss mrna and novel viruses and flu…
https://twitter.com/i/status/1445412549453828099
Keep highlighting the science Nigel you are doing an honest job.
You will never convince the educationally sub normal posters on BS whose main task is to deny medical science, induce vaccine hesitancy that may hurt their fellow man/woman even fatally.
Keep shining the light!
https://www.broadsheet.ie/contact/
John, Nigel is entirely ignorant of Virology, a fact he ably demonstrates with every ridiculous utterance here. Nigel gets his science from TV. The fact that you think he’s “highlighting the science” displays your even deeper ignorance.
You have no idea what you’re talking about, none.
Nigel, by engaging, you’re just as bad as the rest of them. I’d be highly surprised if you didn’t already know that.
Nigel’s daily schooling of conspiracy eejits is one of the best things about this place. No idea how he has the patience for it but it is genuinely entertaining
+1
Absolutely correct!
+ 3
BREAKING NEWS Scientist confirms scientific theory….
Its pretty much a given that if your body has to fight a live virus it will generate more antibodies than if it has to fight an inert placebo. Project veritas uncovers medicine 101, thinks they found a smoking gun
exactly – how is this even newsworthy?
Yet shills here try to dismiss at as untrue – lol
No i believe i said that it is true. Its common knowledge that vaccines dont produce as strong a immune response as live viruses. That applies to all vaccines not just the covid vax.
The only thing newsworthy of this is that an antivax crowd are trying to spin a pfizer employee admitting that the sun is hot is signs of some sort of grand conspiracy theory
Not directed at you but others who dismiss the entire statement..
Yes it is common knowledge, exposure to the virus gives the body a better immune response by producing antibodies for the entire virus not a protein subunit as instructed by mRNA vaccines.
There is a risk that the virus might injure or kill, but for many (>90%) this isnt the case.
max, some real vaccines actually use live virions, the oral Polio vaccine for example, others use attenuated virions. Exposure to a pathogen, whether by infection or inoculation produces the exact same immune response, resulting in strong, enduring immunity.
The fake Covid vaccines are not inoculations, they aren’t even proper vaccines & the immunity they produce has already been undeniably proven to be extremely short-lived & weak.
If you pop over to the nation’s vegetable patch i.e. The Journal comments, you’ll find loads of brainwashed fools utterly convinced a) natural immunity to Covid does not exist, and b) vaccine induced immunity is superior to natural immunity. The media helps feed these misconceptions.
Untrue. This is now ‘the new journal’.
Here’s a freebie for you and the lads, straight from the despicable and evil MSM but it fits your narrative like a glove so do go and gorge Mathew. ‘Is happening just like you said it would’ Mork Twain.
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2021/oct/04/bridgerton-emmy-winner-marc-pilcher-dies-covid
Safe and effective… Another vaccine death.
But basic medical knowledge is too much for the tin foil hat wearing brigade of posters.
They would rather believe in some mad conspiracy theories and anti science instead.
We are lucky they hopefully do not read anything on ISIS sites as they would be running around with suicide vests on
max, who is administering “inert placebos”?
What on earth are you talking about? You seem to have no idea what either “inert” or “placebo” actually means.
I’ve only seen this Project Veritas since it’s been on Broadsheet, but as far as I can see from their vids, their whole raison d’être on Covid seems to be around only a few arguments.
The main ones being;
1) Most young people and children aren’t statistically affected by Covid and don’t require vaccination since there are some risks from the vaccine.
2) The Antibodies are stronger and better with natural infection, so most healthy people don’t need vaccination and would be better off being infected.
3) There are possibly existing drugs out there that are helpful in treating Covid, but any discussion about these has been silenced for political and financial reasons.
4) People should have bodily autonomy and not be coerced or mandated into receiving a procedure or drug they don’t want.
The media have spun the actual danger from Covid so out of control, that it gives Project Veritas these “gotcha moments”, when really if anyone calmly and logically looked at the chances of being in real trouble from Covid, it’s very specific in who it harms. At which point everyone can make their own mind up for what’s best for them.
If we had a responsible media telling us the actual truth about Covid from the start we wouldn’t be in this mess and we wouldn’t be giving Project Veritas a foothold – coz they do seem a bit “whacky”
Their raison d’etre is to undermine a public health emergency because they are ideologically committed to everything being privatised, and in the context of the US ‘making your own mind up about what’s best for them’ is an argument in favour of their horrific system of private health insurance.
1 – the risks from the vaccines have been widly inflated by anti-vaxx people.
2. – you’re only ‘better off’ if you don’t end up in an ICU, on a ventilator, dead, suffering from long-term disabilities, or pass it on to other people who experience one or more of these things.
3 – anyone who develops or discovers an effective anti-viral that treats covid will not only NOT be competing with vaccines, they will make a fortune.
4. Nobody should have to run a higher-than-normal risk of catching a potentially deadly or disabling disease, either.
2.5 million vaccine injury’s in EU alone – wildly inflated. You’re so full of it it’s leaking through your fingers as you type.
QED.
vaccine injury’s[sic]?
Do you mean injuries like a sore arm? or tiredness? or a slight fever?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV81IUQS9w0
1 – the risks from the vaccines have been widly inflated by anti-vaxx people.
As have the risks from Covid, which have been inflated by the
“anti-relaxers” and the media. Which ones have more power to influence people again?
2. – you’re only ‘better off’ if you don’t end up in an ICU, on a ventilator, dead, suffering from long-term disabilities, or pass it on to other people who experience one or more of these things.
The odds of that happening are very low Nigel.
3 – anyone who develops or discovers an effective anti-viral that treats covid will not only NOT be competing with vaccines, they will make a fortune.
I said “existing” drugs.
4. Nobody should have to run a higher-than-normal risk of catching a potentially deadly or disabling disease, either.
The original plan was for everyone to eventually come into contact with Covid. Remember “flatten the curve”, to slow the progression down so there would be a bed available for you if you needed it…
‘As have the risks from Covid’
No, they haven’t. You just refuse to accept that it poses a serious risk to millions of people.
‘The odds of that happening are very low Nigel.’
We’ve mostly managed to keep the odds of it happening low through public health measures. Notable failures such as the care home dabacles and the re-opening last Christmas are illustrative of how and why these measures have kept that risk low.
‘I said “existing” drugs.’
And I phrased my response to be inclusive of creating a new treatment or discovering an existing drug that would act as a treatment – it’s not actually a trivial process in either case.
‘The original plan was for everyone to eventually come into contact with Covid.’
No, the original plan was to reduce the number of people who came into contact with covid as much as possible in the hopes that a vaccine would be developed. That’s still the plan.
“You just refuse to accept that it poses a serious risk to millions of people.”
As do vaccines..
“the original plan was to reduce the number of people who came into contact with covid as much as possible in the hopes that a vaccine would be developed. That’s still the plan.”
That’s simply impossible. Plus it may harm more than it saves.
‘As do vaccines..’
Except they don’t.
‘That’s simply impossible.’
Really? They seem to have done it anyway.
‘Plus it may harm more than it saves.’
The figures that followed the Christmas reopening seriously suggest otherwise.
“Except they don’t..”
Than why the indemnity?
“No, the original plan was to reduce the number of people who came into contact with covid as much as possible in the hopes that a vaccine would be developed. That’s still the plan.”
No it wasn’t Nigel. That’s just what it’s mutated into through greed and politics.
Here’s a Journal article from 17th March 2020. The word Vaccine isn’t even mentioned in it.
https://www.thejournal.ie/what-does-flattening-the-curve-mean-5047757-Mar2020/
Dr Kim Roberts, leader of the virology research group in Trinity College Dublin.
“So we slow down how the virus spreads through the population and we reduce the size of that peak so that although overall the same number of people might become infected, it will be over a longer period of time and the health service won’t be overwhelmed.”
“THE SAME NUMBER OF PEOPLE BECOME INFECTED” she says
“OVERWHELMED” she says
But, I’m sure she doesn’t know what she’s talking about…
Seems so quaint now… long before people lost their minds and we were dragged into madness.
‘“THE SAME NUMBER OF PEOPLE BECOME INFECTED” she says’
That’s if you assume no vaccine will be developed, which I suppose was a possibility that had to be acknowledged. I’m not sure how the development of vaccines meant the plan ‘mutated through greed and politics’ as opposed to through the development of a life-saving medicine.
“I’m not sure how the development of vaccines meant the plan ‘mutated through greed and politics’”
Hmmm… I suppose it was when we decided to give it to healthy children for no reason, other then to protect other people of course.
Here’s another article from March 2020 (Seems such a sensible time now eh)
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/parenting/coronavirus-and-children-the-red-flag-symptoms-to-watch-for-1.4213919
“Covid-19 is, therefore, NOT an illness we need to fear in our children” they say
Even taken at face value with the risks wildly overstated, that’s still the tail end of the ‘plan’ at best, and fairly half-hearted by comparison with the rest of the roll-out which has protected lives and enabled opening up with massively reduced risk. ‘Will no-one think of the children’ is the last bastion of anti-lockdowners who turned into anti-vaxxers and have nowhere else to go but still feel the need to justiy their contrarianism.
Honestly Nigel, I’m sick of providing you with actual links from actual scientists to make my point about things.
While you just give your opinion and rabbit on about anti-vaxxers and Donald Trump or whatever American rubbish you’ve been radicalised into thinking is true.
It’s not very impressive.
I’m sorry you’re unable to maintain your position in an argument without having to bow out because you run out of things to say.
As for references to American rubbish, we are commenting under an approved posting of a Project Veritas video – someone is being radicalised by the US anti-vaxx right, that’s for sure.
It was big tinfoil that dun it amirite
No, it was Bodger posted it.
It was big tinfoil, you said it
Stop calling Bodger that it’s mean.
‘Jab everyone’ is the last bastion of the cowardly – who think that if they play along with their corporate masters, they may be granted a return to ‘normal’. Long term health risks to children? Feck that I want to go on holiday. Selfish.
‘Make this life-saving medicine available free to as many people as possible’ has been the most civilised thing to happen for decades, albeit seriously marred by the paucity of vaccines made available to poorer countries.
@ Nigel “‘Make this life-saving medicine available free to as many people as possible’ ” – the virus poses almost no risk to children and indeed less than the annual flu. Like a corporate shill or useful idiot you’re on here each day preaching the vaccinate everyone mantra.
But it does pose a risk to some children, and the vaccine is available to them, for free.
The vaccine poses a risk to some children too
Not especially.
But it does pose a risk to some children
Nigel, the risks from the fake Covid vaccines are unknown but they’ve already killed more people than all previous vaccinations combined, nobody could possibly inflate such dreadful results, they’re an unfolding, unmitigated disaster.
Existing anti-virals have been proven effective, especially if administered at the earliest stages of infection, the results from different parts of India make that undeniable.
The fact that the use of these anti-virals has been suppressed, in favour of these failing gene therapies is, as you well know, all about profit & power-grabs & nothing to do with science or medicine.
It’s clear to anyone who reads your comments, however, that you support this ruthless profit-seeking & the machinations of power-crazed politicians.
First paragraph – just not true.
Second para – also not true – no existing ant-virals have yet proven usefully effective.
Third para – vaccines and anti-viral treatments are not in competition with each other, one or more of each does not cancel out the other.
Every point he made is true. You can’t just wave away the truth because it doesn’t agree with you erroneous assumptions.
He made it all up.
Stop lying Nigel, you’re embarrassing yourself. I’ve linked in this very thread to UK death numbers directly atributed to the ‘vaccines’ – nearly 1700, that doesn’t include all the vaccinated that have died of ‘Covid’.
It’s quite callous to deny these deaths, they were people Nigel.
How many of them have been confirmed as directly caused by the vaccine?
You have so much factually incorrect statements in that post it is painful to read.
Try reading some verified medical science sites, Covid is a filthy frequently long lasting and often fatal disease but you must know that but apparently fail to comprehend it.
“so much factually incorrect statements”
Like what?
John, anyone who tries to assign value judgements like “filthy” to a virus clearly has no familiarity with science & is in a state of deep emotional confusion.
Get a grip!
Your comments have an awful bang of the first year science student about them.
It’s very funny.
PS – are you studying in UCD?
Clearly you’re not
Another tremendous offering.
Take a look at your offering. Not much of a leg to stand on in fairness.
Oh, child.
‘The media have spun the actual danger from Covid so out of control, that it gives Project Veritas these “gotcha moments”, when really if anyone calmly and logically looked at the chances of being in trouble from Covid, it’s very specific in who it harms. At which point everyone can make their own mind up for what’s best for them’.
The media have done a bad job of explaining the difference between individual risk and societal risk. If your risk of dying from something is 1 percent then you aren’t likely to be phased by the danger it represents to you personally but if it is something that affects an entire population then that 1 percent represents 10,000 people per million. This is something a government would be negligent to ignore but an individual wouldn’t necessarily be.
Personally I think you are giving the media way to much credit in their intentions jonboy. They have pumped out max fear from day one and are now nothing more than Pharma propaganda units.
Even on here we can see the resulting mindless ‘them and us’ one-upmanship at play- despite the fact that vaccinated are just as much of a societal risk as non.
It’s amazing. Vaccinations have reduced the risk of contracting the disease or of infecting others allowing us to open up again and you’re still mad.
Do you have any info on the medium to long term effects of these ‘vaccines’?
In the medium term, they’ve had the effect of allowing us to gradually open back up. In the long term, they should have the effect of allowing us to open up completely and remain open.
Do you have any info on the medium to long term effects on people’s health? No, you don’t Nigel because vaccines take at least 8 years to reach the market.
Any previous animal testing with mRNA tech doesn’t bode well ‘wild strain’s’ etc. But such is your religious zealotry in Scientism™ – these facts you’ve chosen to ignore.
‘Do you have any info on the medium to long term effects on people’s health?’
More people will be alive than if they didn’t take the vaccine. That’s pretty good, health-wise.
That doesn’t negate the possible effects on the medium to long term health of everyone that has taken part in these trials.
At least they’ll be alive to experience them, if any.
Median age for death from Covid is 82.
Are you really that dim about the huge comprehensive factual medical information freely available on multiple quality websites in multiple languages across the planet.
Try reading something other than bullpoo on BS, you may even learn something
82 year olds deserve to live healthy lives too.
@ John – are you really that dim that you didn’t know the median age of death? It would appear so.
Chris – do you not know what ‘median’ means?
There is absolutely no evidence that over any prolonged period of time, Covid-19 vaccines reduce the risk of contracting the SARS-Cov-2 virus- quite the opposite.
Even at their primary function- which is to prevent severe COVid-19 disease- it is now apparent that the efficacy wanes over a relatively short period of time.
No, it seems pretty clear that they do reduce risk quite considerably. You have to ignore a LOT of data on vaccinated versus unvaccinated infection rates to say otherwise.
If the vaccine’s effectiveness fades, theres a pretty strong chance natrually acquired immunity will fade, too.
Then why is infections at record levels in countries with high vaccination rates? It just doesn’t add up- and you know it.
Natural immunity from SARS1 is still strong after nearly twenty years INCLUDING inoculation against infections and transmissions. There is no reason to assume any different with its SARS2 divertive.
The protection afforded by Covid-19 vaccines largely dissipates between 3 and 6 months and doesn’t prevent infection or transmission- and, we are told that is only for a specific strain or variant?
There is no comparison- natural immunity wins every time- it always did.
It does add up, just not in a way you’re interested in.
‘There is no reason to assume any different with its SARS2 divertive.’
There is no reason to assume it will be the same, either.
‘There is no comparison- natural immunity wins every time- it always did.’
Except for the dead people, the people left with long-term disabilities, the people in ICUs., the people on ventilators. Winning.
The reason to assume similarity is because there is proven inoculation to SARS2 in people who were infected with SARS1? Similar does not mean the same of course.
There is dead people either way, the only difference is CoVid-19 figures are grossly over counted while from vaccines, so under reported that the only indication may be when unusual patterns appear in the overall death figures.
Like this one.
https://theexpose.uk/2021/10/04/teen-boy-deaths-increased-by-63-percent-since-they-had-covid-vaccine/
Has there been a single death in the UK directly linked to the vaccine, or are they just fecking about with the stats?
Exactly how are they fecking about with stats- it is ONS data?
@SOQ that ‘article’ is totally misrepresenting data.
2020 (from April onwards) had exceptionally low teen deaths (top deaths for teens are #1 accidents, #2 cancer, and #3 suicide. #1 & #3 dropped due to lockdowns.
2021 is back to normal. The alleged “increase” is due to extraordinary low deaths in 2020.
‘it is ONS data?’
Cherrypicked ONS data.
I suppose the lovely “fact checkers” at the Thompson Reuters set it straight yeah?
More chance of them than you.
More chance of them having a conflict of interest, which ignoramus’ are unaware of..
And yet they still do a better job than you or Project Veritas.
@ Nigel, at the expense of children’s health with ‘vaccines’ that didn’t even undergo animal trials. Malevolence at it’s finest.
Which of the Covid vaccine didn’t undergo animal trial?
A single death? Wow, I knew you were misinformed but that really takes the biscuit – https://yellowcard.ukcolumn.org/yellow-card-reports
1672 – And that’s by the extremely narrow paradigm by which they’ll accept a death as directly attributed to the vaccine. The true numbers are I’d imagine a lot worse.
Nothing recent? Or relevant to current events?
The data’s less than two weeks old, what current events are you prattling on about?
1672? VACCINES WEREN’T INVENTED IN 1672!
1672 deaths directly attributed to the vaccines.
Their source data comes with this:
The MHRA has received 544 UK reports of suspected ADRs to the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in which the patient died shortly after vaccination, 1,091 reports for the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, 19 for the COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna and 28 where the brand of vaccine was unspecified. The majority of these reports were in elderly people or people with underlying illness. Usage of the vaccines has increased over the course of the campaigns and as such, so has reporting of fatal events with a temporal association with vaccination however, this does not indicate a link between vaccination and the fatalities reported. Review of individual reports and patterns of reporting does not suggest the vaccines played a role in these deaths.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting#annex-1-vaccine-analysis-profile
I don’t trust gov explanations, especially when the are befret of detail and compromised. Pfizer should not be working with policy makers – it’s fascism (conflation of the corporate with the political).
BMJ wrote an editorial last November on the corruption underway, It won’t link for some reason but it’s well worth a read.
jonboy, there is no such thing as “societal risk” from any disease, chronic or infectious, there is only the risk to individuals within that society. Your manouvres with percentages are utterly meaningless.
The risks of infecting others with Covid are entirely dependent on your risk of catching it, what don’t you understand about that? You cannot give what you haven’t got, it’s simple as that.
Perhaps you’ve been fooled by the entirely fictitious, entirely unscientific fakery of “asymptomatic transmission”, which was invented in 2020 to panic the public?
Lipstick on a pig. How many more jabs before people realize this isn’t a “vaccine”? Israel up to 4 and still counting.
6 should do it – that is destroy an semblance to an immune system you once had.
It’s funny how underwhelming the Project Veritas ‘revelations’ are compared to the hysterical claims made by pandemic-truthers, yet they’re seen as ‘proof’ that the pandemic-truthers are vindicated. How come nobody got caught saying the plan all along was to get people permanently hooked on vaccine boosters in order to destroy their immune systems?
“We’re Like Bred And Taught to be Like “Vaccine is Safer Than Actually Getting Covid.”
Quote from a Pzier scientist in the Veritas video.
Here’s some more:
“I feel like I’m working for an evil corporation”.
“Your [COVID] Antibodies are Probably Better than the [Pfizer] Vaccination”
“They’re tracking everyone with the vaccine”.
Excellent to read how profoundly gullible you are quoting a Veritas video.
I suppose its better to let someone think you are gullible than to open your mouth and prove it
Like I said, underwhelming, and even more so when compared to the lurid conspiracies of Bodger and friends.
Because we didn’t know how leaky, ineffective & dangerous the fake vaccines would turn out to be, Nigel. They are not addictive, it’s just that governments are addicted to forcing them on people.
The results of continually administering deadly injections is inevitable, sooner of later you will succumb &, in the meantime, the temporarily surviving lab rats will be subjected to a neo-fascist public health dictatorship, via vax passes.
You, of course, whether through complicity or delusion, will continue to deny the reality that’s unfolding in front of you,
Except they’re not deadly, dangerous, ineffective or leaky. Otherwise, spot on!
https://www.broadsheet.ie/contact/
It’s not young people dying. In fact the average COVID age of death is 82. Lol which is higher then the average age of death without COVID in the stats. How can they explain that. It’s ludicrous
They can’t explain it, just run around in circles doing their corporate masters bidding.
But, location de voiture
YOU might have a chance of dying!!! Do you realise that? Like, YOU personally!!!
So, exactly the same as any other day that you’re thankfully alive on a little ball of mud floating through the vastness of an endlessly expanding universe then…
Although, I find it’s best to just not think about it… and just potter along whistling the Smurfs theme tune. ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWzg9o-uovI
Yes, the whole thing has been a manipulative exercise into creating a sense of fear & panic. As has shown, it really does bring out the most selfish attributes in many. “Jab the kids!!! or we might catch a cold!”
Unlike ‘this is all a plot to hook you on vaxx boosters then destroy your immune systems with HIV and cull the global population!’
Are you just crossing your fingers hoping your T cells switch themselves back on? It’s a plan I suppose, just not a good one.
https://www.ukcolumn.org/index.php/article/stabilising-the-code
I’m waiting for the Project Veritas video of some Pfizer Pflunky cackling over their scheme to switch off my T cells.
The mechanism of action has been described by a consultant in the UK, he explains it in the link I provided.
Come in, Nigel, times up for your predictable Strawman arguments.
Is it Mr T, pitying fools who mess with his cells?
Yes, Chris, the “jab the kids” brigade have damaged my faith in humanity the most, in a time when it has been shaken by a host of obscenities & insanities.
Utterly evil.
Wrong. The median and mean ages of Covid are lower than those without. (UK data)
Absolute rubbish, Cian, nobody’s buying that. We all know median ages of Covid victims are higher than average life expectancies, all across the planet.
The waters will be muddied now, as governments attempt to pass off younger vaccine victims as covid victims but the data is clear.
You can keep your beliefs.
But the facts are the facts.
The median age of Covid deaths is lower than life expectancy.
And what would you know about facts..
“They probably have more antibodies…”
That’s NOT science.
I think they mean in general Paul. But, yes you’re right.
We should probably be giving every single person who’s had a previous infection or vaccine an antibody test, to see if they still have a good immune response.
Would negate the need for a booster and it would ensure that people have had a good response to the vaccine – as a good antibody response isn’t guaranteed, especially in those with compromised immune systems.
That’d be science. But I don’t think this is about science anymore.
It was never about science, Micko. Imagine this, all the various cumbersome vaccine injury report systems are entirely voluntary, no medical practitioners are obliged to report any vaccine injury.
So, not only are those being injected with experimental gene therapies part of a medical trial, it’s a trial so badly-run that it’s clear it’s results are moot, these therapies will be dropped or sent back to the lab for more work after their job is done.
We are not witnessing a miraculous new medical discovery at work, it’s far more sinister than that.
Neither is saying “that’s not science”, Paul.
Nigel, this is for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVSN9DMvl6I