Irish Examiner, September 23

Meanwhile…

Waterford News and Star, October 11

Um.

Ian Clayton tweetz:

Requires zero clarification…

99.7% of Waterford adults fully vaccinated against Covid-19 (Irish Examiner, September 23

Waterford Now Has Highest Incidence of Covid In Ireland (Waterford News and Star, October 11)

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165 thoughts on “Whisper It

  1. Gavin

    Its just bizarre at this stage, is there some sort of reasonable explanation for this. Maybe its just all mild cases similar to flu now that they have the jab, but the media as perusal is spinning it to increase eyeballs on adverts

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    1. chris

      The ‘vaccines’ cause a reduction in the innate immune response to infection. Higher vaccine uptake = higher the amount of infections.

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      1. TMan

        If that is the case and I have no reason to believe its not, what’s the problem. Why the constant reporting?. Why not say covid cases are high in Waterford but due to high vaccination rates the symptoms are mild so very little to worry about. I mean this is effectively what NEPHET are saying about the vaccinated.

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        1. E'Matty

          It wouldn’t fit with the media narrative that seeks to portray the vaccinated as pure and immune, whilst the unvaccinated are to be viewed as selfish plague carriers and transmitters. Doesn’t really work if both are virus carriers and spreaders. It becomes more a personal choice then and they do not want that to be the case. They want everybody vaccinate. It’s a cult thing.

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    2. Ronan

      So there’s a few issues here I think:

      1. Some people are conflating efficacy against serious disease / hospitalisation with efficacy against getting infected whatsoever.
      2. Efficacy against any infection seems to be overstated, I believe Israel are finding that 2 doses is only about 43% effective against stopping any Delta infection from taking hold i.e. against breakthrough infection of any sort.

      We have thousands of daily infections, which pre-vaccination would have amounted to scores of daily deaths within weeks, and an explosion of cases, as we saw pre-Christmas last year.

      This narrative of “if everyone is vaccinated, how come there’s still Covid?” is related to 1 above. The vaccines are demonstrating high efficacy in preventing unnecessary deaths, they are not demonstrating that much efficacy against people getting non-serious but symptomatic infection.

      I would say that by next Spring, everyone not shielding will either have been vaccinated, or infected at some point, or both.

      So what’s apparent here is that the vaccine is not as effective against Delta as was hoped for, but a decision was made that the least worst option was to plough on with Pfizer given the supply chain ramp up as a good or very good solution to bringing down deaths, but certainly not optimal in containing spread within the community.

      We’ll reopen with continued mask mandates but reduced social distancing, the hospitals will have a bad winter, an ‘acceptable’ amount of vulnerable people will die, and we’ll fall into an annual booster program.

      That’s it, there’s not much else we can do at this point but ensure that vaccines are available to anyone who wants them. An annual cycle will come, like the flu jab, that will try to predict the dominant variant for the next year.

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        1. SOQ

          Given that the latest out of Israel is that efficacy wanes after about three months- it is more likely to be 4 times a year.

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  2. scottser

    so are those 408 cases in hospital? loss of taste/smell? asymptomatic? previously vaccinated or no?
    i hate this nonsense of headlines without substance.

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    1. chris

      It’s hardly the unvaccinated 0.3% driving up the numbers. The ‘vaccines’ don’t work, there’s your substance.

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      1. SOQ

        Masks- masks don’t work- MORE MASKS

        Lockdowns- lockdowns don’t work- MORE LOCKDOWNS

        Vaccines- vaccines don’t work- MORE VACCINES.

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        1. E'Matty

          It kind of destroys the attempt of people like you to portray yourselves as virtuous and immune and the unvaccinated as the demon plague carriers. Turns out you clowns are spreading it around too.

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          1. george

            I was always known that vaccinated people can spread the virus. You don’t seem to know what immunity means.

          2. E'Matty

            Oh, I understand immunity perfectly well. You don t seem to understand that the logic underpinning the vaccine pass society is that the vaccinated are not serious transmitters of the virus, which they clearly are. They’re not excluding the unvaccinated from jobs or venues out of concern for their welfare, or a fear of them suffering serious illness from the virus. All the arguments are about vaccination to “protect others” which is clearly complete rubbish if they are transmiting the virus freely. How is being vaccinated protecting anyone other than the vaccinated person themself? Why should any unvaccinated person be denied access to any venue based on their vaccination status?

        1. SOQ

          Ok so give us another explanation for why vaccination and infection rates appear to be rising in tandem? This is a replicated pattern now, not an isolated incident.

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          1. Nigel

            See, if your source of information and knowledge is just demanding answers about headlines from random commenters you’re going to end up with a head full of unreliable rubbish. Bet if he can’t answer you’ll take that as vindication of your own conclusions, too.

          2. SOQ

            What is coming out of Israel is not ‘unreliable rubbish’- it is fact. There is a clear correlation between vaccination and infection rates.

          3. Nigel

            You have repeatedly refused to look beyond the Israel figures to see what’s going on in favour of using them to confirm your own pet theory, claimed that this a valid approach, even, why should this be any different?

          4. SOQ

            Singapore? As I said- the pattern is replicated, and now we have the same in a part of Ireland.

            How many times will this have to happen before you accept that it is actually a thing?

          5. Nigel

            It might be a pattern, but so is you not having a clue what’s going on and just pretending you do.

        2. K. Cavan

          That’s genuinely hilarious, scottser.
          Akin to someone f-ing & blinding about other people swearing.
          So much irony in that comment you could probably stick it to an injection site.

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    2. Micko

      Could it be that the population of Waterford up until a few weeks ago were super careful about COVID and were avoiding each other like the plague. (Pun intended) ;-)

      Then, when they heard that a whopping 99% of them were vaccinated in Sept they got super relaxed and this has led to an increase in cases.

      So a change in behaviour has caused this and maybe there’s other factors, like cases in kids etc

      I know it sounds a bit daft, but the only other explanation I can think of is that the vaccines are making people worse.

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      1. Nigel

        This is pure speculation based on absolutely nothing – not to single you out all the other pandemic truthers are doing exactly the same – which is the purpose behind an approach to journalism or reporting that poses questions then lets you filling whatever answer pleases you best. That’s how you breed disinformation and self-reinforcing circular thought processes.

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          1. chris

            There is no vacuum, thousands of medical professionals have quit and registered their protest.

            Other highly qualified voices have offered their expertise as to possible outcomes from this at best – foolhardy experiment.

          2. Nigel

            I don’t see any expertise being brought to bear on this story, just a bunch of people eager to confirm their pet theories.

        1. Micko

          Ha ha ha!

          Christ Nigel, here I am trying to think of any explanation OTHER than “vaccines don’t work” and you’re STILL wandering about Broadsheet slinging mud at me. LoL. ;p

          Is everything falling apart on you yeah?

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          1. Nigel

            Dude give me a break, yours was the LEAST off-the-wall speculation, and at least you were going for something humorous rather than taking it as proof that the New World Order is out to kill us all off.

          2. Micko

            “ yours was the LEAST off-the-wall speculation,”

            And yet you had a go. Makes no sense

            You’re starting to remind me of one of those WW2 Japanese soldiers who got trapped on an island somewhere and he doesn’t know the war is over and is still attacking people who are trying to be reasonable to him.

            The war is over Nigel. 93% of adults are jabbed. Why are you still arguing?

          3. Nigel

            I’m sorry, Micko, I think you’re over-reacting. I’m a Japanese soldier holed up on an island fighting a war that’s long pover because I pointed out that the theory you made up was a made up theory in a thread full of made up theories.

            ‘93% of adults are jabbed. Why are you still arguing?’

            If you actually read what I wrote you’d understand the point of my argument, but you don’t seem interested in that.

          4. Micko

            Ooooh. The over reacting card.

            That’s a good card. Well played.

            I would have also accepted “ you’re being hysterical” ;P

            What’s a “made up theory” btw?

            Is every “theory” not made up at one time or another.

          5. Nigel

            Well it’s not as wild as the holdout Japanese soldier card, I’ll grant you that.

            SOME theories are based on solid and detailed information and expertise. Or so I’ve heard.

          6. Micko

            The Japanese soldier thing was more of a whimsical analogy that think you’ll find.

            Yours was a card typically used when losing the argument :)

          7. Nigel

            In order for us to be having an argument you’d have had to respond to something I actually said rather than just griping about the fact that I said something.

      2. K. Cavan

        Or maybe the injections are making the virus worse by placing evolutionary pressure in it, causing the most vaccine-resistant variants to survive & multiply?
        Who knows, it’s an experiment, we won’t know for sure until a lot more people get sick & die.
        Either way, given that Coronaviruses have all previously naturally evolved into highly-infectious but mild variants because we weren’t stupid & rash enough to throw a half-baked medical technology at a non-problem, we’re in uncharted territory with pockets of deep shit everywhere.
        Unfortunately, I’m inclined to believe that was the plan, all along, Micko.

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        1. Micko

          The evolutionary pressure thing makes a lot of sense alright K. I heard Bret Weinstein talking about it a while ago.

          “Unfortunately, I’m inclined to believe that was the plan, all along”

          I still believe that it is not, but perhaps I am naive.

          I still think that this entire thing was a mistake and it’s just being used as an excuse to make money and for governments to exert more control. It’s also completely divided us and people have dug their heels in completely.

          Either way, this has to stop.

          The goalposts never seem to stop moving, the threat of lockdown or further restrictions still hang over us, even when other countries around the world like Denmark have removed restrictions completely.

          Can anyone actually say that they would like to see what is happening in Australia replicated here?

          I do have faith that people will eventually decide that they have had enough. I might take a while, but we’ll get there. ;)

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        2. f_lawless

          @K. Cavan This is what seems most plausible to me too after reading various expert opinion on it. I think this fanatical-like campaign to vaccinate near total populations with vaccines already known not to prevent transmission is reckless in the extreme. I’d go as far as to say that the technocratic elites, who are the driving force steering all this, already knew of the potential dangers but were/are more concerned with using the pandemic to impose the so called “Great Reset” and all that goes along with it – digital IDs for everyone, cashless society, ubiquitous surveillance, social credit score, etc.

          Virologist, Geert Vanden Bossche (worked with Gates Foundation, GAVI, oversaw the roll out of the Ebola vaccine in Africa), is one such top level expert who is sticking his neck out to go against the medical establishment and warn against the dangers of this mass vaccination program. I find him credible because back in the early part of the year when Israel’s vaccination roll out was being lauded as a complete success, he was warning that this was just a snapshot in time and that the tide would turn.

          https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/post/the-keys-to-unlock-the-golden-gate-of-herd-immunity-towards-sars-cov-2


          “Immediate steps to be taken for mitigating the pandemic crisis:

          – Stop mass vaccination (to stop erosion of strong innate immunity in young and healthy people and hence, erosion of herd immunity!)

          – As innate immune defense mechanisms protect the vast majority of the population, especially young and all healthy people should do whatever they can to get their innate immunity boosted instead of getting the shot! (e.g., exercise; healthy life style and food [manage your weight!], etc.).

          – Bring down the high infectious pressure (look how the infection rate baseline in countries with aggressive mass vaccination programs is now much higher than back one year or even 6 months ago) via antiviral chemoprophylaxis and prevention of overcrowding.

          – Once the infectious pressure has come down, younger age groups can again feel safe and get back to a normal life(*) (this will help to further dilute viral infectious pressure!). Once the infection rate has come down, these younger age groups should no longer be afraid of contracting the disease as i) it would be mild to moderate in over 99.99% of the cases (i.e., similar to the situation at the beginning of the pandemic) and ii) provide them with broad and long-lived immunity, thereby compensating the breakthrough in their innate immunity and, hence, contributing to herd immunity!). Any influx of young and healthy unvaccinated people will dilute viral infection rates and contribute to building herd immunity.

          – But even more importantly, and not just applicable to the younger but also to the older age groups: Covid-19 can be successfully treated if early multidrug treatment is used at an early stage of the disease, i.e., at the appearance of the first signs and symptoms. This not only prevents people from contracting severe disease but also provides them with broad and long-lived immunity in a way that is much safer, reliable and durable than getting the vaccine and also contributes to building herd immunity.”

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          1. SOQ

            What Geert Vanden Bossche is suggesting there- and he is not the only one- is that the vaccine somehow knocks out the naturally acquired immunity, which would explain how people who were post infection, then vaccinated, are still susceptible.

            Interesting point made by Dr Anthony Hinton is that natural immunity generates multiple antibodies to different parts of the virus, while a vaccine makes only one.

            Also, there is never any mention of T Cells when the efficacy of vaccines is discussed?

            https://twitter.com/C19Assembly/status/1433709951885660192

          2. f_lawless

            Have you seen this recent discussion between Vanden Bossche and Dr Rober Malone (mRNA vaccine tech inventor)? Worth a watch.

            Vanden Bosshe predicts that those countries which have very high levels of vaccination are exerting continued high-level evolutionary pressure on the virus and after a period of relative calm where the vaccine has prevented a certain number of serious cases, the big danger is a big wave will hit as a new highly infectious strain evolves to completely side step vaccine induced immunity.

            https://youtu.be/qP31cfD3YOY?t=1682

            Malone: I’m going to try to paraphrase what Geert just said in a simple way. The issue now, the truth is, that it’s the vaccinated who are creating the risk, not the unvaccinated. The unvaccinated, as he says are serving as ‘virus sinks’ (they reduce the pressure being exerted on the virus to evolve into a more dangerous form)..

            ..The real risk here in this whole equation is not being generated by the unvaccinated who then develop broad-based natural immunity to multiple antigens and epitopes that is typically long-lived. It’s the vaccinated that have received these very focused spike vaccines that all have a common epitope structure and are driving through selective pressure – evolution to escape those key epitopes that are present primarily on the receptor binding domain.

            Vanden Bosshe: There is one thing I want to emphasise. The problem is not the individuals who are vaccinated, the problem is the *mass* vaccination. To push a whole population to exert this widespread immune pressure. What we should have been doing since the beginning was to vaccinate the *vulnerable* people – a segment of the population.”

  3. E'Matty

    Well, those stats make it abundantly clear that they vaccinated can and do transmit the virus easily. Most vaccinated county, highest incidence in the country.

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    1. scottser

      the vaccine makers only promised that symptoms would be reduced. so are you going to judge them on that metric or are you going to clutch your pearls and shriek?

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      1. Mr.T

        The vaccine passports were based on the idea that vaccines would significantly reduce infectiousness

        Waterford county is an example of the opposite of this statement.

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      2. chris

        And now even that promise has been shown to be a lie. Also, he isn’t the one shrieking.

        Are you aware of the sunken cost fallacy?

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      3. E'Matty

        As Mr T replied, the idea that the vaccinated do not transmit the virus as much the unvaccinated do is the entire basis for the vaccine passports and the attempt to vilify and exclude from society those who decline the jabs. Why are vaccine hesitant nurses and lab techs around the world facing the loss of their job, simply for declining these vaccines? Why ate unvaccinated people being excluded from pubs, cinemas, concerts etc?

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        1. george

          It isn’t the entire basis of vaccine passports. If the pubs only have vaccinated people in them then the impact of pubs on hospitalisation is much lower.

          The two week situation in Waterford does not prove vaccination doesn’t reduce spread though. It takes bit more than that, and studies suggest that the vaccines do have an impact on transmission though that was never their purpose.

          https://www.news-medical.net/news/20211001/The-extent-to-which-COVID-19-vaccination-reduces-transmission-varies-with-vaccine-type-and-SARS-CoV-2-strain.aspx

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      4. Martina

        That is factually incorrect. Pfizers clinical trial (per the EMA approval documents) found that their vaccine (comirnaty) was “95% effective in preventing Covid” (direct quote). The makers claime was that of the 18,198 people who received the trial vaccine, only 8 developed ANY covid symptoms, vs 162 people in the control group. Nothing in the initial literature makes ANY mention of the vaccine reducing serverity of symptoms. The claim was that the vaccine was 95% effective in preventing Covid. That has now changed. No matter what your opinion on vaccine safety or efficacy, it is disingenuous to try and rewrite history to suit the new narrative that vaccines only reduce the severity of symptoms.

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        1. george

          Share the source if you’re quoting. That isn’t a direct quote. They don’t call it “Covid”.

          I think you mean “the study showed a 95% reduction in the number of symptomatic COVID-19 cases in the people who received the vaccine”

          and also

          “The impact of vaccination with Comirnaty on the spread of the SARS-CoV-2 virus in the community is
          not yet known. It is not yet known how much vaccinated people may still be able to carry and spread
          the virus”

          https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/overview/comirnaty-epar-medicine-overview_en.pdf

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          1. SOQ

            Fair enough but nobody can deny that the media in particular were in absolute full on sales pitch that the vaccines would provide inoculation against SARS-CoV-2.

            They even went so far as to create a new word called COVID- there is no such thing, there never was- only the virus called SARS-CoV-2 and the disease called CoVid-19.

            We were sold a pup.

          2. Martina

            I left out the -19 from Covid – my mistake. An earlier version of the same page you link read: “A very large clinical trial showed that Comirnaty was 95% effective at preventing COVID‑19 in people from 16 years of age”. This was also widely reported in media at the time. And yes, the clinical data does not rule out asymptomatic cases. 8 people developed symptoms. I didn’t claim otherwise. Nor did I mention the potential ability of vaccinated people to spread or carry the virus. My point is simply that a reduction in the severity of symptoms was nowhere mentioned. To state that the vaccine manufacturers only ever claimed that symptoms would be reduced in severity is inaccurate. The claims made for all of the major vaccines went far beyond a reduction in severity in symptoms. It is entirely possible to be in favour of vaccination and to simultaneously question the claims originally made for the vaccine’s effectiveness. It is also entirely possible to be in favour of vaccination and to be disappointed that the vaccine has not delivered as advertised.

          3. George

            “Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) is a contagious disease caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2).”

      5. K. Cavan

        The thing is, scottser, the Covid Cultists, yourself included I’m sure, were jumping down the throat of anyone saying that the vaccines only reduce symptoms & do not stop transmission, for more months than I care to remember.
        Hark, is that a different tune I hear?

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        1. Nigel

          ‘jumping down the throat of anyone saying that the vaccines only reduce symptoms & do not stop transmission,’

          Speaking of rewriting history. For months now anyone would think the idea of the vaccines reducing symptoms and reducing chance of infection were incomprehensible concepts on the level of the Theory of Relativity if your refusal to grasp them was anything to go by.

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          1. Nigel

            The Bishop of Ockham called and said to remind you that there’s another rule about answers that are simple, obvious and wrong.

        2. scottser

          again, you’re calling me a covid cultist without any clue. I have always been equally as sceptical of government and media agendas as the blinkered anti-vax statements from you, bodger, soq, hmmm, ematty, chris etc. you guys have taken a sensationalist headline, with little evidence to strengthen your position, light on context and heavy on conjecture.
          i will predict one thing though; there will be little appetite for a booster campaign. we all got behind the vaccine campaign but if cases go nuts again and they try another lockdown there’ll be hell to pay.

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          1. SOQ

            Advocating for safe sex is not the same as advocating for no sex.

            There will be another lockdown- the fear in the media, especially RTÉ which you directly pay for; is already being ramped up.

            Deal with it.

  4. Jonsmoke

    The 99.7% is of adults…under 12’s are not included.

    The Covid case rate is for everyone….under 12’s included.

    The vaccine does not stop a person contracting Covid in all cases, it reduces the severity of symptoms.

    There is not a like for like comparison here or a proper understanding of how the vaccines work.

    Headlines for Headlines sake!

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    1. E'Matty

      “The vaccine does not stop a person contracting Covid in all cases, it reduces the severity of symptoms.” What’s the justification for treating vaccinated and unvaccinated people differently then? Clearly the vaccinated can contract and transmit the virus very easily.

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      1. Micko

        Ah logic

        Refreshing Matty ;)

        The lads are tying themselves up in knots.

        They just reply with “it reduces transmission”

        Does anyone have actual numbers on what percentage the vaccine reduces transmission by or by what mechanism the reduction works?

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        1. Nigel

          ‘They just reply with “it reduces transmission”’

          That’s the answer to the repeated and highly deceptive claims that since the vaccines don’t work 100% as they were supposed to then they mustn’t work at all, therefore why bother. You might have started believeing in your own straw men, nobody else has.

          ‘Does anyone have actual numbers on what percentage the vaccine reduces transmission by or by what mechanism the reduction works?’

          You’d think everyine claiming the vaccines don’t work would be either clamouring for this data or blaring it out at the tops of their voices if it proved them right. Instead it’s an afterhtought at best…

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          1. chris

            “That’s the answer to be repeated” Waterford among many other places would disagree. It doesn’t matter how many times you repeat the lie it will always be just that. A lie.

          2. Nigel

            ‘It doesn’t matter how many times you repeat the lie it will always be just that. A lie.’

            According to a headline. Don’t want to look any deeper than that, might find something out.

            ‘So that’d be a no then Nigel.’

            I’ve been pointing out the lack of actual information in this entire thread full of theory-spinners and bias confirmation, don’t get narky at me for it.

          3. Micko

            ” this entire thread full of theory-spinners”

            Maybe you shouldn’t be visiting Broadsheet looking for actual scientific theories on how global pandemics circulate in an Irish city then.

            We’re all here for the same reason – the “debate” (and to give our fragile egos a stroking)*

            You’ve about the same clue as all us on here Nigel, no matter what you tell yourself about you knowing “what’s really going on”

            So sit down, type your drivel like the rest of us and enjoy the ride man.
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            *And the occasional picture of animals of course…

          4. Nigel

            ‘(and to give our fragile egos a stroking)*’

            Speak for yourself.

            ‘You’ve about the same clue as all us on here Nigel, no matter what you tell yourself about you knowing “what’s really going on”’

            Yes. That was, in part, my point. For feck’s sake.

    2. K. Cavan

      No, Jonsmoke, vaccines, even proper inoculations, have no influence whatsoever on whether someone gets infected or transmits that infection.
      Immunity only comes into the picture AFTER infection.
      I believe it’s you who has a completely cart-before-the-horse idea of how vaccines, immunity & transmission are related.
      The “magic injection” thinking is being exposed for the childish fantasy it always was.

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  5. Madam x

    The flu vaccine does not stop the flu. It can make taking it easier to get over i.e. less severe. Similarly with COVID . These headlines without qualification are just for grabbing readers. Lowest common denominator stuff. aka Star Sun etc.

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  6. Mr.T

    Vaccine rates and infection rates are based on same population cohort across all counties though.
    So even if it was all u12s getting infected, why are Waterford u12s getting infected more than everyone else? You would think having 99.7% of adults would stop the kids from getting it as bad either

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        1. chris

          And as is now unquestioningly apparent – your knowledge was based on a false premise.

          But go on, postulate as to how Waterford has both the highest vaccine uptake and the highest caseload.

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          1. Nigel

            There you go again. Obviously there’s an explanation (which begins with an assessment of the accuracy of the headline.) I don’t know what it is but I would be very interested to hear what informed commenters and relevant professionals have to say about it. The lack of any such cmmentary is stark, and allows you to say whatever the hell you want as fixed truth.

          2. chris

            “Informed” and “relevant” ie agree with the errant ‘narrative’ you bought. As for truth – I wouldn’t apply such a word in scientific endeavors, the same with ‘trust’.

            All we have is the data and it’s interpretations by scientist’s. Some of whom refused the Kool aid and got slandered as ‘deniers’ – another telling word

          3. Nigel

            You have a small selection of experts you claim are relevant who you cite support or prove your ‘truth.’ Everything else is just you hammering cherry-picked data into a shape that fits your theories.

          1. chris

            No, I’ve done it here. Are you going to keep going with your petty innaties? I suppose when they’re all you have left…

          1. Nigel

            Compared to what? Compared to where? For how long? With what severity? With what mortality rate? In what age ranges?

            You’d want to know all that and more if you were interested in what was going on rather than in forcing conclusions.

          2. Nigel

            Can you point to where he answered a single one of those questions? I understand that ‘not answering’ those questions is, to you, answering them ‘perfectly well’ because you have already made your conclusions and don’t want to be distracted by anything that would complicate it and therefore would have to be dismissed as ‘blather,’ but for those of us interested in what’s actually going on?

      1. chris

        The ‘science’ speaks through the anointed, the high priests’ we call ‘scientists’. What the ‘scientists’ say depends upon the humble benefactors that pay for the ‘science’. That the ‘science’ always makes them richer is just a coincidence of course.

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    1. E'Matty

      When you say they “work”, can you explain what exactly you think the vaccines are in fact doing? Some of the dumber elements in the herd thought they stopped one contracting or transmitting the virus. Clearly that’s not the case and there is no justification for vaccine passes or mandates.

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    2. K. Cavan

      Sure, Boe, The Science also says that vaccines are inoculation with dead or attenuated virions. What The Science doesn’t say is that mRNA Gene Therapy works exactly like a vaccine, because nobody knows.
      What part of “these vaccines are at the trial stage” don’t you understand?

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  7. george

    Donegal has one of the lowest vaccination rates and one of the highest incidence rates. And it doesn’t have any large urban areas.

    Oh.

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  8. Zaccone

    Just shows how utterly pointless vaccination passports are. Vaccinated people are spreading the virus plenty as things are.

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    1. george

      Vastly fewer end up in the hospital. Vaccine passports are about keeping those who chose not to be vaccinated out of our hospitals where Covid-19 patients take up a disproportionate amount of the limited resources.

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      1. E'Matty

        What rubbish. Nobody is claiming the vaccine passports are to protect the unvaccinated, who are demonized and vilified daily. The entire narrative is “get vaccinated to protect others”. It’s completely false. Collectivist nonsense based on lies which seeks to undermine the rights of the individual in society. Besides, based on the age profile of the remsining unvaccinated 7% of adults, they are at very low risk of requiring ICU.

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          1. E'Matty

            “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive.” – C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology

          2. Nigel

            Oh so now it IS to protect the vaccinated, but that’s tyranny. Cool. Does that include the immunocompromised who CAN’T get vaccinated?

      2. K. Cavan

        Utter nonsense, George, the proportion of our hospital beds occupied by “Covid victims” never exceeded 17%, at any stage.
        Next!

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  9. Nullzero

    If anything we’re learning that things can’t exactly go back to “normal” just because people have been vaccinated.

    All the other steps (hygiene, distance etc) need to be remembered. There’s an element of people needing a refresher on the basics of stopping transmission of the disease at this point.

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    1. K. Cavan

      The idea that you can stop transmission of a Coronavirus is insane. That, plus the fact that all Coronaviruses naturally become more infectious & less dangerous if left to evolve naturally is why nobody even bothered to try.
      You might as well try to stop the climate from changing.
      Luckily, Sars02, like all members of the Coronaviridae family, has low mortality, as shown clearly in Ireland’s perfectly normal mortality figures for 2020.

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  10. Centerest Dad

    good to see a thread full of public health experts again
    no speculation just FACTS that’s why I love reading about covid on broadsheet dot ie

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    1. Zaccone

      Fact: Waterford has the highest vaccination rate in the country
      Fact: Waterford has the highest covid infection rate in the country

      You don’t need to read much else really do you? The facts do speak for themselves.

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      1. Nigel

        ‘You don’t need to read much else really do you?’

        Only if you’re interested in what’s actually going on, whatever that might be. Otherwise, no, just make make your mind up about complicated things from simple headlines.

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        1. K. Cavan

          What are you blathering about, Nigel?
          It’s not complicated at all & you can’t deny facts by alluding to other, unmentioned “complicated things”.
          Any idea what manner of “complicated things” you had in mind when you wrote that genuine gibberish?

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          1. Nigel

            I know, let’s avoid context, trends, categories, severity of infection, mortality, comparisons with other areas, details from the ground, actual experts, that’s all complicated irrelevant blather, right?

          2. K. Cavan

            The rates of Covid, which is severe respiratory infection with Sars02, a type of pneumonia, are highest in the most vaccinated county.
            What facts among your “context, trends, categories, severity of infection, mortality, comparisons with other areas, details from the ground, actual experts” might contradict this? Let’s not avoid these factors, let’s give them a fair hearing, I’m all ears.
            You’re still alluding to mysterious “counterfactuals” to The Facts yet never revealing what they are, Nigel, merely suggesting wherein they MIGHT lie, IF they existed.
            You’ve no argument, not a sausage, bugger-all, stop typing for the sake of it, you silly boy.

          3. Nigel

            I haven’t mentioned ‘counterfactuals,’ I’ve mentioned your severe disinterest in the details that might be relevant to the progress of the pandemic and how it might affect our lives. For example, dismissing any notion that while covid rates might be up (relative to what?) but severity and mortality rates are low (relative to what? Amongst which groups?) as not of any significance is a bit of a giveaway that you are not actually interested in what is really going on. Zero clarification indeed.

            I don’t KNOW these facts and I’m in absolutely no danger of learning them from you guys.

          4. K. Cavan

            I’m interested in any facts presented, Nigel, I think it’s perfectly normal to not be interested in “facts” that haven’t been presented, merely alluded to.
            As for the severity of infection, well Covid is the severe version of infection with Sars02, clear?
            As for your ridiculous assertion that it’s someone else’s fault that you have no facts, because we didn’t teach them to you, well I hope you’re being paid by the word, because otherwise yours are entirely without value.

          5. Nigel

            Now you’re being dense. My point is you won’t get many facts here, therefore it’s a place speculation, disinformation and conspiracy theories thrive

          6. Nigel

            ‘As for the severity of infection, well Covid is the severe version of infection with Sars02, clear?’

            Some people die, some people barely notice it, and a whole range of in-between, that’s what I mean by ‘severity.’ It’s one of those unmentioned complicated things, the sorts of facts you won’t find here, the sorts of information you think is gibberish. Clear?

          7. Chris

            Where do we find this information then Nigel? The reasonable explanations for the rise of cases in heavily vaccinated populations?

          8. Nigel

            I take from this question that you, the truth-seeker, never even bothered to look for it. It never even entered your head that it might be relevant.

            Also, this isn’t about ‘reasonable.’ You’ve already decided what the ‘reasonable’ explanation is. You’re so sure of it you couldn’t be bothered to check.

          9. Nigel

            Yeah, if I was spinning conspiracy theories and ideologically committed to declaring the vaccines evil/broken I’d be pretty lacking. But I’m not doing that, so…

      2. Cian

        not really.
        Did Waterford has the highest covid infection rate in the country 2 weeks ago? They were #1 in vaccinations then. (answer no they weren’t #1 for cases)
        Will Waterford have the highest covid infection rate in the country in 2 weeks?

        Taking a single point in time proves nothing.

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        1. K. Cavan

          Yes, Cian, it proves nothing, except that the county with the highest vaccination rates has completely failed to halt transmission. The conclusion is unavoidable, yet you try to avoid it.
          You can’t cover up such a glaring hole in the Vaccination Narrative with such a small helping of waffle.
          You can’t justify Vaccine Passports when the facts completely contradict the only reason for having them.

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  11. Cian

    I’d love to know where the Irish Examiner got the figure of 99.7%;
    HSE would provide the number of vaccinations.. but where did they get the total population by county? I can’t find it on CSO.

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    1. K. Cavan

      You’re turning on the MSM, now, Cian. They haven’t told enough lies & half-truths, haven’t promulgated enough fake science & fear porn for your liking? Or you just don’t like it when facts start to contradict your narrative & the MSM actually publish those facts?
      You’d better get used to it.

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  12. K. Cavan

    Similar facts have been emerging in various highly-vaccinated societies across the globe & they make a mockery of the neo-fascist concept of Vax Passes but more seriously, they cast Vaccine Mandates as unjustifiable, recklessly genocidal coercion, for which some politicians need to pay with their career, if not their freedom.

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  13. K. Cavan

    I watched someone “registering” their “Covid test” with the government of a large European state at the weekend. It was an automated app & when you select the drop-down menu for “Test Result” the only option was “Negative”, no test was taken, no documentation submitted.
    It’s quite clear many of our European neighbours have already decided that the neo-fascist dreams of the psychopathic 1% are doomed to failure. The Irish, with the lowest average IQ in Europe, will probably be the last to realise that nobody else is doing more than paying lip service to this insanity.

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