“I Haven’t Heard Or Seen Any Vilification”

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Michael McNamara and Aine Lawlor

This morning.

On RTÉ’s Morning Ireland.

Independent Clare TD Michael McNamara spoke on RTÉ Radio One’s Morning Ireland about prejudice against the unvaxxed telling the host Aine Lawlor:

“…now we’re vilifying the unvaccinated. Before it was students and, before that, it was people who travelled…”

Later…

Aine Lawlor: “You spoke about the unvaccinated being vilified. I don’t know whether you heard Professor O’Reilly or Dr Gary Stack [on the show] talking to us earlier about what they’re facing on the medical line, frontline and, you know, the impact Prof O’Reilly was talking about, for instance, if somebody and the people in ICU that’s being driven by the unvaccinated at the moment. If they’re taking up a bed that maybe somebody needs a lung cancer operation can’t get into ICU, how fair are they being on the rest of the community?”

Michael McNamara: “Yeah, but you know, people who smoke take up beds, people who drink take up beds, people who in all sorts of behaviour that might not seem very sensible take up beds. If you go to the A&E unit in Limerick on your average Friday night and you’ll see a fair share of people who’ve drunk too much there. I mean they’re taking up spaces too.

“I mean throughout history, we’ve seen groups of people being blamed unreasonably, in hindsight, for various pandemics and various endemics and sometimes, with the benefit of hindsight, that looks ridiculous. We started off, there was a big campaign…”

Lawlor: “Well I don’t know who’s blaming? I mean I most certainly heard no vilification or blaming at the NPHET briefing yesterday.”

McNamara: “No, but there’s been a fair share of, there’s been an outrageous amount of it on social media, and there’s been a fair share of it on broadcast media, including RTÉ television, it has to be said.”

Lawlor: “Well I haven’t heard or seen any vilification.”

McNamara: “[inaudible] to be honest and I don’t think it’s healthy to divide society along that basis. You know…”

Lawlor: “No, and indeed we heard Prof O’Reilly…”

McNamara: “Can we continue…”

Lawlor: “No, just to make the point. Prof O’Reilly in fact spoke about the way that he engages with those who aren’t vaccinated. All the doctors that we’ve been talking to have been talking about engagement. They have also been saying, and this is the message, that for the sake of protecting the community, they are particularly appealing to the 1 in 5 18-30-year-olds who aren’t vaccinated at the moment, to go and get the vaccination for the sake of community, for the sake of the people who won’t be able to get that bed in ICU at the end of November.”

McNamara: “I don’t, I mean, I’m not going to, I’ve never countered medical advice, I’m not going to go against that but what I’m talking about is not doctors, but are commentators who feel they’ve suddenly found a group that they can, you know… We have increasing political correctness in our discourse in our media, it’s perhaps a good thing…”

Lawlor: “What do you say to the unvaccinated?”

McNamara: “I say to the vaccinated, do your research, talk to your doctors.”

Lawlor: “And get the vaccine?”

McNamara: “Talk to your doctors. I mean I’m not in a position to intervene in people’s lives. I don’t know the reasons they’re not taking the vaccine, there are people who can’t take the vaccine. I say talk to your doctor. Everybody, almost everybody, in Ireland has a GP, talk to your GP, listen to what they have to say. I’m not a GP, I’m not a doctor, I’m not an immunologist.”

Lawlor
: “OK, well thank you for coming in to talk to us on Morning Ireland.”

Earlier: Blame From Spain Falls Mainly On The Plain

Yesterday: Insight To Hatred

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61 thoughts on ““I Haven’t Heard Or Seen Any Vilification”

  1. SOQ

    I somewhat wonder where all this spite and rancour is coming from because it is certainly not logical. There is absolutely no doubt but that certain parts of the media have been cheerleading it on, instigating it even, so now we see the likes of RTE back peddling- mainly because of the blowback.

    But it is passports themselves which are the core problem. Overnight they became the physical act of ‘othering’, except they cannot do as intended, because the vaccines do not do what they were intended, and there is as much chance of a spreader being inside as out.

    They serve no purpose other than to ‘punish’ those whom for whatever reason, have not taken these particular vaccines- absolute nanny state mentality.

  2. Fergalito

    I don’t know what rock Áine Lalor has been living under if she hasn’t seen or heard any vilification of the unvaccinated….?

    1. SOQ

      Yes well I don’t think the collective commentators of broadsheet.ie can afford to throw any stones.

      Some of the most offensive vilifications I have read anywhere, has come from certain individuals here. And ironically, or maybe not- also from the same who claim to be champions of minority rights, but clearly only when it suits.

      1. Nigel

        There are people who can’t get vaccinated who are incredibly vulnerable and probably disabled – the same is true no doubt of quite a few vaccinated people – and they have faced difficulties and obstacles and shoddy treatment and neglect all their lives, and it all got worse when the pandemic came along. You guys all CHOSE, as is entirely your right, not to get the vaccinated, chose to place yourselves in a vulnerable position – still not as vulnerable as the disabled, but trying to both claim the same space and loudly exaggerate the diffuclties you face as unvaccinated people durinfg a pandemic not as the consequences of public health measures and, at worse, idiotic confusion in restrictions which, now that I think of it, affect everyone.

        You have claimed the mantle of the victimised unvaccinated, when the people actually in danger and at risk and under severe inconvenience are the people who can’t get vaccinated, and the vaccinated people who are still vulnerable. You’re not a minority, except in the sense that hecklers are a minority. Now, despite all that I still think you shouldn’t be villified, it’s not only useless, it also lumps in the people aho can’t get vaccined, but neither you can’t possibly expect to come on here whinging and not get called out. And that seems to be the ultimate source of your worst opression – commenters here not buying your nonsense.

          1. Papi

            If you get into my car and choose not to wear a seat belt, you’re walking.
            They simply can’t get their narrow minds around that.

          2. Johnny

            ..who ‘gets in YOUR car’
            Like who?
            Ever made that choice
            You add nothing but more stupidly on here

          3. U N M U T U A L

            …i’m not getting in the car because your seatbelts are faulty/defective and you still have L plates on.

          4. Papi

            @Unmutual, grand, your choice, you’re still left on the side of the road, so stop your whining.

            Johnny, “You add nothing but more stupidly on here”
            In a nutshell, you’ve proved my point.

        1. SOQ

          And that is exactly what I am referring to- disrespectful ad hominin attacks instead of addressing the actual issues. Rat likers- conspiratoons- anti vaxxers- etc etc- all derogatory terms, intended to offend and insult- and why?

          Because some people have decided that they would rather wait and see how these experimental concoctions pan out before committing. Already a list of side effects as long as your arm has emerged – including fatalities- but that does matter to you zealots- you are right and everyone else is wrong.

          There is no communitarian argument to these vaccines- NONE. You can still infect others at exactly the same rate. It is a personal choice only but despite the data staring you straight in the face, you continue to attempt to shout down others. Opinions not just from lay people but from experts in their respective fields- but you Nigel, know better.

          You know better than gay people and you know better that Trans people and now it appears, you know better than the growing body of specialists, GP’s and nurses who are speaking out.

          1. Nigel

            None of you pandemic truthers are in a position to complain about name-calling and ad-hominem attacks so just stop, it’s as tedious as the name-calling itself.

            ‘Because some people have decided that they would rather wait’

            As is your right.

            ‘There is no communitarian argument to these vaccines- NONE’

            There’s exactly the same communitarian argument as there is for all other vaccines, multiplied by being in a pandemic.

            Your whole decision to abstain from vaccination is based on your own personal set of absolute irrefutable certainties that haven’t budged since the pandemic began, so, again, you’re in no position.

          2. SOQ

            Whether my opinion has changed or not has no bearing on the vilification and dehumanising of unvaxed people by authoritarian bullies.

            There are many reasons why people are reluctant to take these vaccines and nobody has any right to sit in judgement. Quite frankly, it is none of your business.

          3. Nigel

            Your right to make personal medical decisions without judgement or villification (within the limits of Broadsheet Villification Guidelines, obvs) ends when you come on here and bray those reasons out on a public forum and it turns out they’re kind of stupid and paranoid and weird.

          4. K. Cavan

            Is “pandemic truthers” the new label you’ve been told to tag unvaccinated people with in posts claiming they’re not being targetted, Nigel? Also, nobody can complain about exclusion or discrimination due to personal medical decisions, once they post on Broadsheet?

          5. Nigel

            No, that is my own personal term and coinage copyright and TM me, you adorable little paranoid you.

            ‘Also, nobody can complain’

            I’m sorry you seem to have me confused with a person who has the power to forbid or prevent anyone from complaining about anything, on or off Broadsheet.

        2. jungleman

          Very nicely put, Nigel. SOQ reminds me of the Cartman character in South Park with his endless games and make-believe. I’m pretty sure that for SOQ this is just a big game. He will eventually tire of Covid and find a new game to play (probably climate change denial).

        3. K. Cavan

          So, there’s no checking of vaccination status going on anywhere & no discrimination against the unvaccinated, other than being called names in Broadsheet?
          That’s your opinion, Nigel, is it?

          1. Nigel

            There is no discrimination against the unvaccinated, there are restrictions in place to reduce the risk and spread of infection which includes limits on access to public spaces by unvaccinated people, who are in a high category of risk.

            Also, there are unvaccinated people on Broadhseet who have opinions that are stupid and paranoid and weird and they don’t like being disagreed with and they call it opression and claim it applies to all unvaccinated people as if they were a distinct and homogenous group who all share the same stupid and weird and paranoid opinions and are therefore being attacked every time someone disagrees with them on Broadsheet.

          2. K. Cavan

            So, you think being called names on Broadsheet is the only exclusion or discrimination that we’re complaining about, Nigel?
            You’re declaring that the restrictions are justified, even though they’re not restrictions?
            Nigel, you support authoritarianism, based on no scientific facts whatsoever, at least stop making yourself a laughing stock as you tie yourself in knots of self-contradiction & own it.

          3. Nigel

            ‘So, you think being called names on Broadsheet is the only exclusion or discrimination that we’re complaining about, Nigel?’

            There is no end to the exclusion and discrimination you’re complaining of and it’s all bogus.

            I’m ‘declaring’ that the restrictions can and must be justified solely on the grounds of public health. They succeed or fail on those grounds and those grounds only.

            ‘you support authoritarianism’

            I support public health measures, justified as above, imposed by a democratically elected government during a global pandemic.

            ‘Nigel doesn’t know what the term ‘discrimination’ means.’

            There’s a lot of ‘not knowing what discrimination means’ about.

    2. Nigel

      Well she probably isn’t on Broadsheet therefore hasn’t had the local pandemic truthers milking every criticism for every drop it’s worth and screaming about Nazi Germany every five minutes, so either she needs to get out of her bubble or we do.

      1. E'Matty

        Are you suggesting the unvaccinated have not been blamed for the rise in cases Nigel? Or that the unvaccinated are the not accused of threatening to overrun ICU? All without any foundation or scientific basis. An attempt by the State authorities and media to wrongly attribute blame to a minority group and Nigel is in full support.

        1. Nigel

          Yes, I think people have unfortunately gone with what seems like the obvious hypothesis, that the rise in cases is because of the unvaccinated. It may be true, it may not, more likely it is one element in a number of complex factors – the delta variant, vaccine effectiveness, more social contacts, breakthrough infections, seasonal factors, movement of people – that we won’t understand without careful study and analysis, and the results of that sort of analysis are what should determine our response. What you term as ‘blame’ and ‘accusation’ seem to me more like pragmatic concerns, but they should not be the only pragmatic concerns. That this has translated to social media and talking heads criticising unvaccinated people is certainly true, but if you think this amounts to the equivalent villification of any given minority, you really are sheltered and innocent.

          Still, that sort of talk should be discouraged, if only to protect both your precious feelings and to avoid feeding your disproportionate sense of grievance, but also to shield those who can’t get vaccinated from unfair opprobium.

          As for government measures and guidelines, they’re consistent with all efforts so far to minimise transmission and protect the vulnerable, both vaccinated and unvaccinated, while avoiding lockdown, even the stupid contradictory stuff is consistent with how clumsily the governent handles it, which is frustrating for everyone. There is no evidence or indication in any of the measures that the unvaccinated are being victimised.

          1. K. Cavan

            The thing is, Nigel, there will be no careful scientific analysis of what’s causing the “rise in cases”. Who exactly do you think is collecting the data & carefully analysing it, Joe Duffy & Pat Kenny?
            Instead, the government & media will continue to blame the unvaccinated, despite the absence of any evidence, because it’s not about scientific enquiry or truth-seeking, it’s about pressuring people to get vaccinated.
            While the number of cases is most obviously a function of the number of tests being done & the fact that those tests can’t actually detect cases, the elephant in the room is the fact that the vaccines don’t work. Obviously, you have the same priorities as the authorities, pressure people to get vaccinated, while ignoring the fact that millions of doses later, with many deaths & vaccine injuries, the evidence that the injections are utterly useless just keeps on coming, justifying the stance of the unvaccinated. Meanwhile, the government suggest boosters as the only solution, doing more of the same while expecting a different result, the definition of madness.

          2. Nigel

            You’re just as guilty as the likes of Kenny and Duffy jin umping to pre-ordained conclusions without study and analysis, it’s what you’ve been doing all along, you literally never do anything else. Even if studies and analysis were done you would only accept or dismiss them based on whether they told you what you wanted to hear, meanwhile the real adults would have to devise policy based on those results for the clowns we elected to get tied in knots trying to implement. I know this because you have what decided ‘my priorities’ are based on what’s going on in your own head and not what I have written. You do that sort of thing a lot, it helps keep your world view inflated.

  3. Gavin

    Lawlor: “Well I haven’t heard or seen any vilification.” Says all you need to know about her as a journalist, another supposed journalist that gets her info from a script

  4. Nullzero

    The fact that Waterford (the most vaccinated County in Ireland) has one of the highest case numbers in Ireland should be telling in relation to the correlation between numbers of vaccinated persons and the numbers in hospital beds or ICU.

    Case numbers are increasing because of the false bill of goods people were sold by the government in relation to vaccination, ie vaccination = back to normal.

    Reopening pubs and clubs at the very time of year where respiratory viruses have always spread like wild fire and then blaming the increasing numbers on the unvaccinated (who aren’t by and large socialising, or at least by the logic det out by the introduction of covid certs shouldn’t be) is a cop out on the part of the government.

    If everyone in Ireland was vaccinated we would still be seeing these numbers. A back to basics approach is required to deal with coronavirus. Too many shops and supermarkets have already taken down notices about hygiene and social distancing. People are getting lax, and that’s understandable. After all blaming a hated group of people is the usual reaction to problems in human society, why should we expect any different with this situation?

    1. Chris

      There’s logic in what you say, but unfortunately the fear and propaganda has made many impervious to it.

      I’m not sure there’s anyway of cutting through. Perhaps when people’s freinds and close ones start dying in the upcoming booster campaigns. We know that vaccine injury’s, no matter how serious don’t even seem to register with most.

      1. Nullzero

        The biggest issue I have is the increasing calls for “Covid certs for everything” rhetoric that’s being pushed around over the last few days.

        There are various people appearing in Irish media suggesting that even going to a shop to buy groceries should require a Covid cert.

        That is creating a situation that goes beyond concern for public health and into the realm of the truly disturbing.

        What’s the next step after that? All unvaccinated people to wear arm bands to identify themselves? Interment camps?

        And then hat happens when all the disgusting unvaccinated people are firmly locked inside their domiciles and the case numbers still aren’t reducing? Are the unvaccinated given an apology? A financial pay out for their trouble for being dehumanized and excluded from being able to even feed themselves?

        The cretins making these arguments need to stop and think carefully before opening their mouths, wishful thinking I know.

        1. K. Cavan

          The most wishful of wishful thinking, Nullzero. Most people don’t want to even look at a chart of figures, if you quote any figures to them, they just imagine themselves back in school, doing sums, which are a thing they long-ago decided they didn’t want to do, ever again.
          So they’ve outsourced their thinking to the government & health authorities but they, in turn, outsourced their thinking to WHO or Bill Gates, as it’s better-known, so we have the ludicrous situation of the most important individual in this entire Pandemic operation being a college dropout software billionaire, a confessed eugenecist, who had to withdraw from his own company because his toxic, corrupt presence was landing them in constant trouble with the law.
          As a software mogul, Gates had a 50% success rate, every second Microsoft OS was a complete failure but I think he will be far more successful in achieving what he has stated as his aim with vaccines, namely, depopulation.

      2. K. Cavan

        While the government & media seem incredibly moved by the deaths attributed to Covid, deaths & injuries from vaccine side-effects are certainly not given the same prominence. We’re told that these are the trial stages of the rollout of these vaccines but the manufacturers aren’t even bothering to collect any information about their effect, that’s been left to various government agencies & individual medical practitioners, such reporting isn’t even compulsory, so it’s basically a “trial” that’s not even being monitored.
        The injection (& booster) campaign is not about Public Health, it’s about Globalists pushing their ineffective, experimental drugs, while being supported & financed, at huge cost, by taxpayers, for no sound scientific reasons.
        It’s about digital IDs & digital currency, it’s about power & corruption, it’s about control, those psychopaths don’t care about the health of the syringe fodder.

  5. GiggidyGoo

    Aine Lawlor kinda crashed and burned there. Usually I’d have respect for her interviewing skills – however she had to go back to the RTE hymnbook of silly approaches above and try catch McNamara out – she failed.

  6. des

    RTE is the virus

    A disease ridden organisation, filled to the brim with hangers on and morons

    And still hiring their sons and daughters, even though they are supposed to be bankrupt.

    1. Chris

      No they actually turned a profit for the 1st time, suddenly awash with funding – they’d rather sell out the public than risk their new golden goose.

          1. jungleman

            Google is your friend, Chris. Why don’t you do some research on the term. Might be a nice break for you from Covid conspiracy theories.

  7. Nigel

    You know, there have certainly been things said about the unvaccinated by non-expert talking-head types who presumably think they’re being no-nonsense truth-tellers. but most of the official stuff about the unvaccinated is concern that with cases on the rise THE UNVACCINATED ARE MORE VULNERABLE. They don’t actually want you to get sick, die, or end up with long-term injuries. They don’t want you, or anyone, to end up in an ICU. Now perhaps there are unvaccinated who are immune to some degree due to already having had covid, but their primary concern is people who are vulnerable and they can’t be putting in caveats and exceptions to constantly cater to the hyper-sensitive amongst you. And yes, the vaccinated are also vulnerable, though to a lesser degree, and there are enough of them for whom a breakthrough infection could be serious, but those people have to be aware of their own risks even with the vaccine and behave accordingly, what do you want even more micro-management?

    1. E'Matty

      “THE UNVACCINATED ARE MORE VULNERABLE.” Again, a bit misleading from Nigel. The currently unvaccinated are predominantly healthy under 40s who have never been, and still are not, at any great risk from this virus. Also, as an unvaccinated person, I don’t want nor need you to “protect me” . I’ll do that myself. Nanny State to Nanny Citizens thinking they can impose themselves on others, for their “own good”. Classic authoritarian behaviour.

      1. Nigel

        I don’t really care what you want, this is a global pandemic, your libertarian ideas have no actual practical or rational application in these circumstances.

        Regardless of whether you are statistically at risk of severe covid, you are more at risk of catching it, and therefore spreading it, in fact the milder the dose the more likely you are to go out and about spreading it.

    2. K. Cavan

      Nigel, if you think that your assertion that the unvaccinated are more vulnerable carries more weight because you wrote it in upper-case, you’re mistaken.
      What would give it weight would be Waterford disappearing off the face of the Earth.

        1. GiggidyGoo

          Waterford has the highest number of infections
          Waterford has the highest number of injections

          That’s some correlation.

  8. K. Cavan

    It’s the old “if a tree falls in the forest & there’s no-one there to hear it, does it make a sound?” problem. If Lawlor has witnessed no vilification of the unwashed, sorry, unvaxxed, can we be sure any has happened?
    The “get vaxxed for society” argument is one of those that’s so ridiculous that it makes you wonder why they’re so intent on getting every single person vaxxed & boostered. If we’re really at 90% plus, the effect on society’s health of the tiny number of unvaxxed would be meaningless.

  9. CJ

    “do your research” he says.
    difficult to know from the transcript if he means Facebook and YouTube research or getting back to work in the vaccine research lab or something entirely different. Does he consider talking to your GP to be research? Is “do your research” a thing in Irish politics now?

    1. goldenbrown

      Daisy
      attention seeking sociopath attracts some attention
      his ideology is largely responsible for the state this country is in today, I’ll probably watch my children emigrate because of it
      so forgive me if I don’t give a flying fupp
      about whatever clowns are howling outside his gaff
      because I wouldn’t **** on him if he was on fire

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