This morning.

Via Australia’s 7News:

As Christmas approaches.. many of us will be faced with a new dilemma: How to handle unvaccinated loved ones. and whether you should spend time with them this festive season. So how do you find out who’s vaccinated? And how do you decide whether to invite them over for Christmas lunch? We’ve got the tips and tricks to help you avoid awkward encounters.

Meanwhile…

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126 thoughts on “The Unjabbed Guest

  1. Jim

    Given that the unvaxxed are far more likely to be infected and also more likely to pass on the infection, the answer is pretty simple: stay the fupp away.

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      1. Jim

        Absolute complete and utter nonsense. The main purpose of vaccines prevent infection, which they do. Which means if you are less likely to be infected, you are far also less likely to transmit. And even if you do get infected, it’s now been proven that you shed the virus much quicker if you have been jabbed. I know it’s hard for the various anti-vax conspiracy theorists to understand this. But do your best.

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        1. E'Matty

          “The main purpose of vaccines prevent infection, which they do” complete rubbish. These vaccines were not designed nor tested for reduction in transmission. The efficacy tested was only for serious illness and death. These vaccines do not stop transmission and claims of them reducing transmission are not properly evidenced at this stage. Indeed, looking at current rates in highly vaxxed populations, any reduction, if it exists, is likely negligible.

          I know it’s hard for someone like you Jim to analyse information, even when you genuinely try your best. Your kind are hardwired to not think and just follow whomever is the dominant authority figure in your group at that time. This is why your kind are known as sheep or cattle.

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        2. SOQ

          SARS-CoV-2 is a virus and CoVid-19 is a disease. They are called CoVid-19 vaccines for a reason. Pharma manufacturers do not make mistakes like that.

          Those vaccines were primarily designed to treat the disease.

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    1. Redundant Proofreaders Society

      That’s not true, Jim.
      The vaccine was designed to prevent hospitalisation, severe illness and death. Both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated have the same chance of becoming infected and to transmit.

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      1. Cian

        Not quite. The vaccine was designed to prevent infection.
        It hasn’t managed that, but it does prevent hospitalisation, severe illness and death.

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        1. SOQ

          Point me to where any of the manufacturers have ever claimed that their CoVid-19 vaccines would prevent SARS-CoV-2 infection please?

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          1. SOQ

            That is not a claim from the manufactures?

            Show me a single instance of the manufactures claiming inoculation against SARS-CoV-2 in their literature please.

          2. Cian

            https://www.fda.gov/media/151707/download

            COMIRNATY package insert:

            Page 1:

            ————————— INDICATIONS AND USAGE—————————-
            COMIRNATY is a vaccine indicated for active immunization to prevent coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) in individuals 16 years of age and
            older.

          3. SOQ

            is a vaccine indicated for active immunization to prevent coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)

            Which proves my point.

            It does not claim inoculation against the (SARS-CoV-2) virus.

          4. Cian

            Your moving the goalposts. you said:
            Point me to where any of the manufacturers have ever claimed that their CoVid-19 vaccines would prevent SARS-CoV-2 infection please?

            I showed you.
            COMIRNATY is a vaccine indicated for active immunization to prevent coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)

            Can you tell me what you think “inoculation” means?

          5. SOQ

            CoVid-19 Disease which means symptoms of the DISEASE. Nowhere does that claim to prevent SARS-CoV-2 virus infection.

            It means that when your body develops CoVid-19 disease FROM SARS-CoV-2 virus, then the vaccine will act- which post injection, over short periods of time it does not- but that is another story.

          6. E'Matty

            SOQ is right. Cian, surely you know the difference between SARS-COV2, the virus, and Covid19, the disease, by now? Even your example states “to prevent coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2)”. So it claims to prevent the disease caused by the virus, not to prevent you contracting the virus. Bit surprised by you not knowing this tbh.

          7. Cian

            Lets look at some other vaccines shall we?
            Same FDA insert:


            —————————-INDICATIONS AND USAGE—————————-
            HAVRIX is a vaccine indicated for active immunization against disease caused by hepatitis A virus (HAV). HAVRIX is approved for use in persons 12 months of age and older. P

            https://www.fda.gov/media/119388/download

            golly gosh, they exact same wording as on the Covid vaccine. They mention active immunization for the prevention of [DISEASE] cause by [VIRUS].

            others:
            fda.gov/media/80547/download
            PNEUMOVAX 23 is a vaccine indicated for active immunization for the prevention of pneumococcal disease caused by the 23 serotypes contained in the vaccine (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6B, 7F, 8, 9N, 9V, 10A, 11A, 12F, 14, 15B, 17F, 18C, 19F, 19A, 20, 22F, 23F, and 33F). (1.1)

            fda.gov/media/75792/download
            ACAM2000® is indicated for active immunization against smallpox disease for persons determined to be at high risk for smallpox infection

          8. SOQ

            Hepatitis A viral infection and Hepatitis A symptoms are defined as the same thing.

            A much better comparison is with HIV virus and AIDS disease. Until recently, where by accident, it was discovered that a couple of drugs also prevent infection- NONE claimed to prevent HIV. In fact I am not sure if they even do now- they may still be off label.

            The manufacturers of CoVid-19 vaccines never claimed to prevent SARS-CoV-2 infection- EVER. They function on the basis that the patient is already infected.

          9. Cian

            @SOQ
            you are clutching at straws now.
            “Hepatitis A viral infection and Hepatitis A symptoms are defined as the same thing.” LOL

            Remember this:
            Point me to where any of the manufacturers have ever claimed that their CoVid-19 vaccines would prevent SARS-CoV-2 infection please?
            I did.

            Admit it.

          10. GiggidyGoo

            Cian. Quit diverting, distracting and now digging (your own…)

            You’re wrong. Full Stop. Now move on.

          11. John Smith

            @Cian
            ‘Admit it.’

            On the contrary, Cian. SOQ is correct. You did not point to where any of the manufacturers have ever claimed that their CoVid-19 vaccines would prevent SARS-CoV-2 infection. You only showed where they claimed that the vaccine would work against the disease (Covid-19) and that is obviously not the same thing.

  2. Micko

    That was quite refreshing actually.

    The media pushing the “unvaccinated are dangerous” narrative as much as possible and the majority of people in the street are all like “nah, it’ll be grand”.

    Good stuff.

    Also, you can go to a venue and then you’re fine? WTF?

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    1. Jim

      The unvaccinated are far more likely to be infected and therefore also more likely to pass on the infection. Get the jab and stop being a little baby.

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      1. E'Matty

        Nah, will never get the jab and will still enjoy Christmas with the full three generations of the family, just like we did last year and do every year. There’s weak people who go along with the herd, are terrified of standing out and will do whatever authority tells them. Jim is one of those.

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          1. E'Matty

            No, where vaccines cannot provide individual immunity, vaccine induced herd immunity is not possible. You dopes fell for the “if we get enough people vaccinated, we’ll reach herd immunity” con. So gullible. All talk about hitting herd immunity now gone without a peep.

          1. Chris

            In order to be classified a vaccine, an efficacy of at least 50% is required – ergo, these are not vaccines. So it’s pretty hard to be anti something that doesn’t exist.

            I am however anti experimental mRNA treatments that haven’t undergone animal testing – that were approved based upon fraudulent data, provided by a known criminal organisation.

          2. Tom J

            They don’t do much animal testing these days. Maybe we should get the criminal assets bureau to investigate this known criminal organisation.

        1. Kim The Cardassian

          Morbidly obese people are more likely to be unvaccinated because they spend all their time reading conspiracy theories and Facebook memes online rather than exercising :)

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          1. Tom J

            Yeah, but you wouldn’t be interested.
            When someone close dies of Covid 19 you realise, yes it exists and is very contagious and should not be taken for granted.

          2. SOQ

            You don’t get to claim the moral high ground while being rude and trying to bully people. We are all entitled to our opinions- its a free country- well it used to be.

          3. Tom J

            I’m not bullying anyone, if you can’t take it don’t dish it out.
            If you don’t want to get the jab, fine, on your head be it.
            But don’t be talking out of your behind thinking that you are right all the time.

          4. SOQ

            What exactly have I been “dishing out”?

            You are the one hurling insults like a drunk old spinster in the corner of a wedding.

          5. John Smith

            @Tom J
            ‘When someone close dies of Covid 19 you realise, yes it exists and is very contagious and should not be taken for granted.’

            I doubt whether SOQ would argue that we are talking about a disease that exists, that is spread readily and should not be taken for granted, whether or not someone close to him has died because of the contracting the virus and developing the illness.

            What concerns SOQ, and most of those who are wrongly labelled anti-vaxxers (or any of the other insulting and erroneous terms applied to those who question what is happening), is that the measures taken are discriminatory, ineffective and based on false suppositions.

            If you disagree, present considered arguments, not insults.

          6. SOQ

            Not if they are antivaxer’s like yourself.

            Yes, and you are the ringleader.

            Stupid is as stupid does.

            Please, do explain what message you are attempting to get across because to the rest of us, they are just pig ignorant insults.

          7. Tom J

            The message I’m trying to get across is, everyone is open to ridicule, especially when they think they are right all the time.

          8. John Smith

            @Tom J
            ‘Call them insults if you wish.
            I call them quips and one liners, it gets the message across effectively.’

            The only message it gets across is that you are unable to refute SOQ’s statements with any kind of genuine arguments so you just resort to insults (or quips and one-liners, if you wish to call them that). Is that really the message you want to get across? It seems rather a pointless one and hardly supportive of your position as regards the case SOQ puts forward.

          9. Tom J

            SOQ, is not putting an argument across. He or she is saying I don’t have freedom of speech to say what I want.

  3. Gavin

    There’s an awkward conversation that needs to be had around what to do with the people pushing this fear porn once people come to their senses.

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    1. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

      + all the fear
      I have had one family member say they were concerned, I explained nicely that I’m breastfeeding, have no social life anyway and the only time I leave the house is to run in the lovely quiet dark, but thanks for the concern.
      Mum and Dad are boostered up to the back teeth and unless they want jam sandwiches for Christmas dinner or he wants to get the finger out, I’m cooking ( again ) and our lot don’t do hugs we are all naturally happy at least two meters apart.

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        1. E'Matty

          Yeah, there was a time in this country when pregnant women suffering morning sickness were advised to take thalidomide. Just because it’s recommended doesn’t mean one should actually do it.

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          1. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

            when children of vaccinated people are older and show hopefully no adverse effects I’ll be glad to have been shown caution was unnecessary but I’d rather not role the dice with my child, she’s not at risk from COVID, my risk is minimal so no thanks.

          2. Oro

            Ah so it’s an emotional rather than a scientific / medical reason.

            Seems more than a tad cynical to invoke the relationship between breastfeeding and certain activities (for instance alcohol) that are not recommended to do concurrently, in order to plaster over the worries of your relatives all while leaving confusing comments on a news forum implying there’s some kind of relationship between the two. But based on what other people write I suppose who cares really. What’s another random glaring piece of misinformation.

          3. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

            I don’t believe in drinking while breastfeeding either, it’s not cynical, it’s practical. I don’t believe my eight month year old will benefit from this in her body while it could long term cause damage, in a few years we will know. She’s on point for all her other jabs. As for emotional whatever that’s not really how my family operates, thanks for your concern.

          4. Oro

            I didn’t mean emotional in a Disney way I meant it in a non scientific way. You don’t believe drinking alcohol while breastfeeding is a good idea AND this is medically supported. Your not believing the vaccine is a good idea while breastfeeding is a personal emotional response to something and is instinctive and also irrational (I mean irrational in a scientific way I don’t mean you’re crazy), and is medically unsupported (it’s actually contradictory to medical advice). These two are not the same thing. However to say out loud ‘oh I can’t get the vaccine b/c I’m breastfeeding’ evokes the common understanding that it is probably advised against medically, like alcohol or certain foods. It takes advantage of existing realities to give credence to a random unsubstantiated opinion, that’s my point. That’s what I think is cynical.

          5. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

            as I said in a few years it MAY be medically supported…it may not I’ll wait and see, thank you

          6. Oro

            It is currently medically supported. Your saying it ‘in a few years it may be medically supported’ just isn’t true.

          7. Oro

            That’s all well and good, and I don’t think anyone should rush into it if they don’t want to, but a broad stroke ‘I’m not getting it because I’m breastfeeding’ is misrepresentation and I think a misleading statement, since it’s not the reality of why you’re doing it. I just think as a statement it’s unclear and a little dishonest, since it’s not based in a medical or scientific reason, but the way you present it, it sounds like it is. And I think that was intentional, to give a largesse to your amateur (and I mean amateur as an opposite to professional not in an insult way) opinion.

          8. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

            no that’s exactly the reason, my whole family are jabbed as is my partner. Do you think I think they are all lunatics or wish them unwell…get a grip.

          9. Oro

            Heh? With them unwell? How on earth could you get that from my comment. My point was that you saying “I didn’t get the vaccine because I’m breastfeeding” is like saying “I’m allergic to parsley” when you just don’t like it, it’s leaning (heavily) on a known medical reality that doesn’t exist in your specific case in order to endorse your own wonts. The reality is is that current medical advice is that breastfeeding women should get the vaccine and you’re talking as if the opposite is true.

          10. f_lawless

            Emotional? How condescending. It’s a risk assessment based on sound logic I would say. As she said, her own risk from Covid is minimal, her child’s is next to none. The Irish authorities have changed their recommendations from one month to the next on which vaccines are still considered safe for the different cohorts. There’s no long term safety data for these experimental vaccines. It’s like the Wild West of vaccine roll outs. The responsible thing for any individual to do would be to use their own judgement to decide for themselves and their children, rather than put blind faith in the recommendations of authorities which have an already badly tarnished track record.

          11. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

            exactly so, she’s my responsibility and I would rather be safe than sorry.

          12. Oro

            Just because your eyes mist over with every thought you have about yourself (and that seems to happen far too often) doesn’t mean I think everyone is ‘overly emotional’.

          13. GiggidyGoo

            Now, Oro, you’re putting your trust in the likes of this ‘expert’ (below) who has proven that he is actually a total waffler. I’ve posted this a number of times, and not one of your camp comments on it. Why is that?


            Here’s how history has already recorded Luke O’Neill’s pronouncements.

            – He stated ‘Vaccinations are stopping transmission.’ (No they’re not)
            – ‘When vaccination reaches a high level ‘the virus goes away’ ‘ (No it doesn’t)
            – ‘We can prevent Covid through vaccination’ (No you can’t)
            – ‘All of the vaccines, including AstraZeneca, will prevent you getting sick and ending up in hospital.’ (No they won’t)

            So, step up now Oro. Those quotations are all from his interviews on Newstalk. Are you saying you’re putting your trust in that kind of information? Personally, I’d place my trust in the common sense that Janet and other posters have displayed.

            Can you reply without a personal attack please?

        1. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

          Last year was Goose and a Pintade,
          the year before personalised Wellingtons because I obviously felt like torturing myself with different cuissons,
          This year I’m doing a stuffed whole salmon.

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          1. D. Ments. Yea?

            That’s great, did people like the goose?

            It wasn’t a great favourite here to be honest though I did enjoy it myself.

          2. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

            yeah, went down well, stuffed it with foie gras and mushrooms stuffing

  4. scottser

    two confirmed as positive in our house. one is grand, had a head cold last week, while the other is a bit flu-ey. everyone jabbed up and boosted where necessary. biggest pain in the hole is minding the kids while having to work. you’d think they’d sort some sort of force majeur leave for those having to isolate but are negative.

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      1. scottser

        ah, thanx j – everyone’s grand. the gas is thing is that one of the oldies hardly left the gaff in the last 2 years and she ended up testing positive. she’s morto, and well she should be the dirty ratlicker..

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  5. BigJay

    I don’t know, your grandparents dying of covid because you couldn’t be arsed getting a vaccine, or because you believe in some conspiracy nonsense (Oprah does not eat babies…)

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  6. BigJay

    The vaccine can’t stop you getting covid, it’s like the flu, it’s airborne, it lessens the chance of cytokine storm, where you’d need an ICU and a ventilator (this can happen very fast, it’s why Boris Johnson had two nurses watching over him day and night when he was in hospital for it). Vitamin D seems to have much the same effect, it gives a 25 fold decrease in the chance of getting to this cytokine stage according to a recent study, but scientists are saying it’s not a solution? (Scratches head…) Vitamin D is five quid in Tescos, it’s almost free and available everywhere. I don’t get it.

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    1. D. Ments. Yea?

      It’s really very sad.
      It’s like being at a very, very bad party with a terrible vibe and the taxi won’t be out for at least an hour

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        1. Verbatim

          Janet, I’ve got to salute you for putting your baby first and foremost. Can’t believe a man (Oro) would have the gall to call you out on your motherly instincts.

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          1. Oro

            Pfft I’m calling her out on her dodgy science and acting like her own opinions are scientifically organized, her instincts (motherly or not) are not my concern or my business. But saying things out loud that are misleading bothers me, and I was just drawing attention to the lack of clarity. Is nobody able to look at anything objectively anymore?

          2. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

            I’d objectively say based on my run ins with you before that you always try to get a rise,
            PS. I’m not like other girls..my testosterone levels say so ;)

          3. Oro

            Maybe there’s a smidgen of that maybe (for fun) but it’s usually based in an objection to some kind of non factual statement. Watch out for the testosterone, you don’t want to lose your hair!

  7. Sailor Gerry

    I think Oro is a man, 77th or part of that nudge unit they like in the UK.
    Kind of guy that would nudge his husbands poo back up the colon.

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  8. Judith

    My ‘ anti vaxx’ other half will not be joining me and my extended
    family for Christmas. There is a vulnerable baby to consider and I’m not going to be tangentially responsible for their demise

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