A vaccination centre in Vienna, Austria

This morning.

Via Sky News:

Austria is to become the first country in Europe to make COVID-19 vaccines mandatory by law and has announced a full national lockdown from Monday, amid a fourth wave sweeping the continent.

Chancellor Alexander Schallenberg said the coronavirus lockdown would run for a “maximum of 20 days”.

He also announced it would be a “requirement to get vaccinated” in Austria from 1 February.

COVID-19: Austria to enter full national lockdown amid record case surge (Sky News)

Pic: Sky

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83 thoughts on “No, Vienna!

  1. E'Matty

    It’s almost like us so called anti vaxx conspiracy theorists have a playbook telling us exactly what comes next. We predicted this 100% from day one and they idiot crowd refused to believe. One must wonder what exactly would have to happen before these believers think, hang on a minute, something is not right here? My guess, they’ll never get it and will go to their early graves still believing we were fighting a virus. The dumb herd types will be the death of us all.

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    1. Chris

      It seems almost inevitable at this point. To consider how many sacrificed their lives to achieve liberty – only to throw it away for a flu. Pathetic.

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    2. freewheeling

      There are a significant number still being told (and believing) that hand-washing will help us out of this. I wouldn’t hold out much hope for a radical shift in the awareness of those people.

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    3. Jim

      Let’s be honest here: “anti vaxx conspiracy theorists” is a very accurate description of a lot of people on Broadsheet.

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  2. Broadbag

    I’m pro-vax but have to say this isn’t something I could get behind, people have to have a choice. With this precedent being set how long before Ireland introduces something similar?

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    1. Micko

      To change the Austrian constitution all that is needed is a majority of two-thirds in the National Council.

      We need a referendum.

      Thank fupp…

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        1. Micko

          Because the constitution gives us the right to bodily integrity.

          Bodily integrity
          You have a right not to have your body or person unjustifiably interfered with. A person can only interfere with your body with a valid justification and in a proportionate manner. Similarly, you have a right not to be subjected to torture, inhumane or degrading treatment.

          Since there IS a risk (however small) with the vaccines, it would go against that.

          You also have a right to a livelihood, so again they can’t make you get one for work.

          The right to earn a livelihood
          As a citizen, you have a right to work and to earn a living, whether you are male or female. However, that general right doesn’t mean that you can insist on being employed in a particular role or area or by a particular employer.

          The State has a general duty to protect your right to work and earn a livelihood from unjust attack.

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          1. Cian

            Can you show me where bodily integrity is covered in the Constitution?

            The right to earn a livelihood isn’t condition-free. I can’t be a lorry drive unless I pass a test and get a licence. Is this unconstitutional? no, there are lots of laws that prescribe prerequisites needed for certain careers.

            Either way it is moot as – Article 45 says it is a guideline for the Oireachtas, not a legal right.

            Unless you can show me a specific article that would forbid mandatory vaccines… it would fall under normal legislation.

          2. Micko

            Cian, I’m getting my info from the Citizens information website

            If you think I’m going to spend anytime going through the constitution just to please you… well. Yeah

            But, perhaps you’re right. Let’s see what happens.

            Beside, you’ve already gone through the constitution to please me – so why don’t you tell me what it says

            Go on…

          3. E'Matty

            Cian, Constitutional Law is not limited to the document itself and unenunerated rights have been confirmed and follow legal precedent and case law. In 1965 and Ryan v Attorney General, a landmark case, Kenny J ruled that there was a constitutional right to “bodily integrity”.

          4. Cian

            In that case you forgot to include the following from that same page on Citizens information

            Fundamental rights are not absolute – they can be limited or restricted by the Oireachtas for certain reasons, for example, for the common good or public order.

    2. freewheeling

      As soon as we let them. Like everything in Ireland … they’ll wait and see how it goes elsewhere first and how to play it here.

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    3. Gavin

      Youre not allowed to be pro-vax and anti mandate ….it confuses people….badly. I’d be in the same boat, if a small group doesn’t want it that’s their life choice, it doesn’t affect me I got the first 2 jabs. Though I wont be getting boosters.

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      1. scottser

        there are four now in my house who are covid positive. it’s only a matter of time before i get it but i’m not too worried as it’s just a mild dose; nobody’s laid out with it, thankfully.
        so when i get natural immunity i’ll be happy to go for a scoop with anyone and give them this mild dose and then we can all move on from this nonsense.

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        1. George

          That’s not how viruses work. There isn’t a “mild dose” in your house it is just not badly affecting the people who have it. There are others who would be badly affected if they were in your house. You don’t have some special mild version of the virus and after you have developed immunity to it you will no longer be transmitting it.

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    4. K. Cavan

      Just so you know, Broadbag, there are no people in here, as far as I know, who are “Anti-Vax”. I’ve never seen a single anti-vaccine statement in these pages.
      I know what caused the incredible increase in Autism & it wasn’t inoculation.

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  3. E'Matty

    Reading comments from the zealous Vaxx everything brigade today, they appear very emotional and upset by anyone who is declining these vaccines. They appear to be rather annoyed that they now have these vaccines in their bodies, with whatever future consequences that will result in, for almost no actual benefit, and others chose simply to say no. There’s a smell of desperation off them as they call for ever more authoritarian measures as each day passes and the absolutely rubbish nature of “vaccines” becomes ever more evident. They can never argue their point using the science because the scientific argument for vaccinating any healthy person under 55 simply isn’t there. They cling to the idea that there is some major difference between the vaccinated and unvaccinated, desperately hanging onto ICU numbers as their last stand in this regard, despite those figures being unsubstantiated. There’s is a castle built on sand which is rapidly crumbling before our eyes.

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      1. K. Cavan

        Yes, D. you are upset, even disturbed, don’t think your bravado & bull will hide it from anyone.
        You’re probably double-jabbed but soon you’ll find yourself Not Fully Vaccinated any more. You’ll get boostered but soon afterwards, you’ll find yourself, OMG, Not Fully-Vaccinated, again. So you’ll get Double-Boostered but soon after that, guess what,? You’ll be exactly the same as the Unvaccinated, again, and again, and again, for as long as your poor body can take it.
        Each toxic injection is a round of Russian Roulette, increasing your risk of death or injury, each injection gives you maybe a few weeks of slight resistance to serious illness if you actually catch one type of cold, while exposing you to massively increased risk from the four endemic Coronaviruses & a host of other infections. If reality is slowly making its way into your consciousness, you’re right to be upset, you’ve been conned & the only way out, that you can see, is to sign up for another con, then another. You’ve signed up for Boosters Til You Die.
        The current science, from Japan, is that everyone will be dead or seriously injured by number 8.
        Start counting…

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  4. Verbatim

    This could definitely come to pass in the whole of Europe, one European country could not make a decision like this without a nod and a wink from the top.
    The only way out is if there is a legal way to stop this, (like what happened in the US with The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) who suspended enforcement of the Biden administration’s COVID-19 vaccine mandate for large private businesses after a federal appeals court upheld a stay on it last week.)
    This is terrible news.

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    1. George

      “one European country could not make a decision like this without a nod and a wink from the top.”

      Of course they could. Health is an area of national policy not EU policy.

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      1. K. Cavan

        George, George, George, stop being so utterly naive, that won’t protect you or your loved ones from what’s coming. Nothing is being decided by national governments, sovereignty is an outmoded, old-fashioned concept, dontcha know.
        Or were you cracking a funny?

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    1. SOQ

      Fair point but when Vaccine passports were first floated, people said they would never happen here, and then, near over night, they were implemented.

      You have to admit that governments all over the world have been acting with remarkable synchronicity since this whole thing began?

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  5. George

    This isn’t about forced vaccination which I don’t support but there isn’t a better place to post this.

    There was a post on here a while back about the lower vaccine uptake among immigrant communities with a comment that they don’t listen to the Irish media.

    The CSO have released some stats today which includes this: 28% of those who contracted COVID-19 in September and October and were admitted to an ICU were not born in Ireland and 90% of these reported being un-vaccinated.

    Also:

    The CSO also found that more than half (54%) of those admitted to ICUs in September and October said they were not vaccinated and of those that said they were vaccinated almost all (97%) had an underlying health condition.

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      1. George

        I don’t have that statistic. Go look for it. I’m not the CSO.

        Vaccine uptake among those with underlying conditions was very high though so I think you’re clutching at straws there.

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        1. SOQ

          Unless something has dramatically changed, right from the beginning of this thing- comorbidities were the biggest factor in ICU admittance.

          The selective use of comorbidity figures for one side only- is highly questionable.

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          1. George

            Vaccination of over 90% of the population including the vast majority of people with underlying conditions is indeed a massive change. I believe age was the main factor in ICU admission. Most older people took the vaccine.

            If you believe that unvaccinated population contains such a high percentage of people with underlying conditions compared with the vaccinated that this accounts for 10% contributing 54% of admissions well good luck to you.

            Feel free to go look up any stats you’re interested in. I’m not your PA.

          2. Cian

            There is also a correlation between old age and comorbidity.

            The older you are the more likely you have one or more comorbidity.

            There was a study done in the US and, if i remember correctly, said that the percentage of a group was similar to their age. So 20% of people in their twenties had at least one comorbidity. 30% in your thirties, 40% in your forties, etc… This includes obesity so I’d guess the percentages in Ireland are a bit lower.

        2. E'Matty

          George you don’t have the statistic because they have not been made public. Though, I would be happy for you to correct me on that. They are only providing that detail for the vaccinated hospital cases but not the unvaccinated. Why is that do you think?

          All to serve their narrative. Use those stats so ppl like yourself will say all those vaccinated people had serious underlying conditions and then act like the unvaccinated were not similarly afflicted. It’s disingenuous and blatantly deceitful. You of course delivered exactly as programmed.

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          1. George

            They have. They’re in the CSO release today. Clearly you’re too lazy to look.

            30% of people in ICU who said they weren’t vaccinated had no underlying condition compared with 3% of those who said they were vaccinated.

            30 is ten times as big as 3.

            There is also age to be considered which I’m not going to drill into now but the unvaccinated population is younger on average.

  6. Junkface

    Austria will not fall into permanent authoritarianism due to this. Get a grip! They’ll probably loosen the reigns once they control their numbers more.

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    1. K. Cavan

      Junkface, get a grip, we are never returning to Democracy, that’s over. Welcome to The New Normal.
      What, you thought Klaus & his WEF was just a conspiracy theory? You think you can just ignore the WEF, despite the fact that billionaires & politicians & even Simon Coveney flew over every year to his planning meetings?
      Do you actually believe that if we just get through Convid, we’ll be left alone to live out our lives in peace? Bless.
      It’s only started, Junkface, this is just Round One & it won’t stop until our population starts a serious downward trend.
      Alternatively, we can wake up and fight for survival because without that fight, we are indeed a herd that deserves to be slaughtered.

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      1. Junkface

        Democracy is over in Austria? C’mon Maaan! I work with many Austrians, they don’t think that at all.

        I know the digital age is different to 100 years ago, but these kind of reactions are almost identical to the Spanish Flu era. Things went back to normal, and by normal I mean, in Europe they had enough time to start a World War. Read history, you will find human behaviour repeats itself and often totally forgets the past.

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      1. Jim

        Not if indoor venues restrict entry based on vaccine status. And good enough for you as well.

        You can stand outside shouting about 9-11 or whatever it is you resurch on youtube.

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          1. Jim

            They’ll most certainly ask you for a pass if it means they can’t open otherwise.

            Can’t believe you referencing anti-everything clown John McGuirk as a way to defend your nonsense.

          2. Chris

            The numbers don’t lie. And no they won’t, much to your disappointment . Not everyone is a Fascist, thankfully.

    1. SOQ

      Why do people always confuse hospital numbers- meaning who gets sick- with infectiousness?

      Vaccinated people are just as infectious so limiting the freedoms of those who are not, makes zero sense- why is this so hard to understand? There is no clean and unclean.

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      1. Jim

        Again, NOT TRUE.

        You are FAR less likely to get infected when you’re vaccinated, which then means you are far less likely to pass on the virus (because you have lower chance of being infected). Plus, we now know that vaccinated people, when infected, shed the virus much quicker than vaccinated.

        There’s a reason that the 7% of unvaxxed adults are taking up 2/3 of ICYU beds.

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          1. Jim

            I can guarantee without a doubt that those figures don’t reflect the true picture. AS was mentioned in the tweet, some of the deaths stats are from the before last week. And if you want get some more data that proves vaccines SIGNIFICANTLY reduce deaths, there’s a mountain of evidence out there to prove it.

            ALSO:
            Total ICU admissions 48
            of whom 23 fully vaccinated, 5 partly, 20 unvaccinated
            UNVAXXED COME FROM 7% OF THE POPULATION.

          2. Chris

            Impervious to logic, you’re a lost cause. The unvaccinated in ICU are immunocompromised. There are NO young healthy people ending up there with Covid-19.

            ‘The true picture’ – they’re the numbers! Branch Covidians are really oblivious to reality.

        1. SOQ

          Taking into account the rapid waning of these vaccines. please provide the update evidence which shows that over any decent period of time, vaccinated are not just as infectious?

          In Israel now they are concluding that boosters don’t even prevent infections.

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          1. Cian

            Really?
            One study (pre-print) in Israel does not equate to “they are concluding that boosters don’t even prevent infections.”

          2. SOQ

            OK let me reword that

            In Israel now they are asking if boosters even prevent infections?

            Better? T

            hat paper is only an count of data btw- I doubt if there is much can go wrong.

            Time will tell.

    2. Micko

      JIm, do you really think that “the unvaccinated” aren’t in the pub with you?

      The Covid cert system is a joke. The only way to truly enforce it is to a) make it mandatory to be digital 2) ensure that only one cert can be used at one time and c) and trace your location via the GPS on your phone.

      Which, besides being a horrible infringement on your rights, would also exclude al the old folks with no smart phones.

      Ye know – the ones we were supposed to “protect”

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  7. Jim

    If anything the benefits of the third dose are being undersold. Meanwhile, the Broadsheet flat-earthers will continue to swivel their eyes when they realise they can’t get a haircut, despite the harm they could do to the vulnerable in society by being unvaccinated.

    https://twitter.com/PaulMainwood/status/1461374201474998275
    “The control trials, and the real-world data agree. Boosters don’t just restore your protection against COVID. They make it *better* than it ever was with two doses.
    Result: we boost less than half of 80+s in the UK, and the observations nearly break my graph. “

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      1. Joe

        Nonsense, nonsense, nonsense.

        Even the interview with the consultant from the Mater on RTE news earlier was illuminating. The unvaccinated are dominating ICU. Particularly younger unvaxxed patients.

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        1. SOQ

          That does not mean anything when it comes to who is or is not infectious?

          Infection is the core argument here, not who is or is not getting sick.

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