“I Have Never Seen Such Anger In Mothers”

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Last night.

The Tonight Show on VMT.

Journalist and mother Larissa Nolan discusses the new, rushed mask mandate for children over 9 in schools. Pupils from third class upwards must wear a mask all day or be asked to “stand down”.

Yesterday: Don’t Mask, Don’t Tell

Meanwhile…

…via Irish Times:

Can my child really be refused entry to school for not wearing a mask?

Department of Education guidelines state unmasked pupils in third class upwards will be refused entry to school if they do not have a medical certificate to show they are exempt from the rules. Schools, however, are being advised by the Government to take a “flexible” and “practical” approach to the new rules over the coming days.

Are these rules underpinned by law?

The guidelines are not statutory but, like existing rules on face masks for secondary students, schools are required to implement them. When asked if school principals will be legally protected when implementing the wearing of face masks, Taoiseach Micheál Martin said where they apply public health policy they will be “protected definitely”.

On what grounds can a child be exempt from wearing a mask?

There three main grounds under which children may be exempt from wearing a mask:

(1) Any pupil with difficulty breathing or other relevant medical conditions

(2) Any pupil who is unable to remove the cloth face-covering or visor without assistance

(3) Any pupil who has special needs and who may feel upset or very uncomfortable wearing the cloth face covering or visor, for example pupils with intellectual or developmental disabilities, mental health conditions, sensory concerns or tactile sensitivity Do children require a medical certificate to prove they are exempt? Most children will not require a medical certificate on the basis schools are best placed to identify children whose needs are such that the wearing of face covering may not be possible for them. In other circumstances, a medical certificate – from a GP, typically – must be provided to the school.

Q and A (Carl O’Brien, Irish Times)

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155 thoughts on ““I Have Never Seen Such Anger In Mothers”

  1. Cui Bono?

    It’s time to stop this hysteria once and for all.

    Masks do not stop virus transmission according to the scientific studies, so please follow the science for once.

    Surgeons wear surgical masks to limit the chance of a bacterial infection when operating on an open wound, they don’t wear them to stop viruses.

    1. Cian

      Masks do limit virus transmission according to the scientific studies, so please follow the science for once.

      Scientists every claimed that a mask totally stops virus transmission.

        1. Nigel

          I think the science might have moved on.

          https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj-2021-068302

          ‘Mask wearing and covid-19 incidence—Six studies with a total of 2627 people with covid-19 and 389 228 participants were included in the analysis examining the effect of mask wearing on incidence of covid-19…..Overall pooled analysis showed a 53% reduction in covid-19 incidence”

          https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33087517/

          ‘We found that cotton masks, surgical masks, and N95 masks all have a protective effect with respect to the transmission of infective droplets/aerosols of SARS-CoV-2 and that the protective efficiency was higher when masks were worn by a virus spreader. ‘

          1. Nigel

            Thought you wanted positive news – this confirms people who wear masks have been helping reduce the spread of covid all along. Such a small thing with such a big effect. That’s pretty good, right?

          2. Nigel

            ‘You have to debunk the studies that show they don’t work. This hasn’t been done yet.’

            Not necessarily. You perform more studies to broaden and deepen knowledge so that all the studies, taken together, can inform you of what is going on, resolving and explaining apparent contradictions and incosistencies. Science is iterative.

          3. Cui Bono?

            @Nigel
            Yes and if a study is showing they don’t work then it needs to be shown to be false. If it’s not shown to be false, then it’s still correct. Bring the 40 years of studies into compare with the new paid for biased observational studies and they all fail.

          4. Nigel

            That’s a bit of a zero-sum approach. The other studies may have had all sorts of reasons for their findings – different data sets, methods, aims, or conditions which can be illuminated through examining these studies. Thus the sum of all knowledge is grown.

          5. Cui Bono?

            @Nigel
            Yes knowledge can grow but

            Study A shows masks do not work
            Study B shows masks do work

            Study B fails because of Study A

            This is what’s happened but with many studies.

          6. Nigel

            Possibly, not necessarily. But it’s clear you want the science to have antagonistic sides engaged in tearing each other down rather than building actual understanding of complex things.

          7. Cui Bono?

            No Nigel, I just want the truth.

            If masks work then great but the current data and scientific studies says they don’t.

            It was a dark day for the world when we had mask mandates implemented last summer. The psychological impact of mask wearing on society is going to be felt for a very long time.

          8. Micko

            “The psychological impact of mask wearing on society is going to be felt for a very long time.”

            Was out for dinner in Malahide last night. On the way to the restaurant a young lad out for a run in a blue surgical mask jogged past me.

            Yup…

          9. Nigel

            ‘If masks work then great but the current data and scientific studies says they don’t.’

            Except for the data and scientific studies that say they do.

          10. Nigel

            ‘“The psychological impact of mask wearing on society is going to be felt for a very long time.”’

            The psychological impact of covid in general is going to be around for a very long time, and some of the traumas being endured put wearing masks in their proper context, which is pretty minimal. People who routinelt mock other people’s reasonable fears of a higlhy communicable disease terrified of masks.

          11. K. Cavan

            So, Nigel, they pooled the results, which contained results from N95 masks, making the results a mix’n’match, a complete waste of time.
            Next!

          12. f_lawless

            https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj-2021-068302/rapid-responses
            Not a good sign first response in – it’s pointed out that 2 of the (non-RCT) studies included in the meta-analysis are rated as having a high potential of bias yet they are assigned an equal, and a higher, level of weight than the well-designed, decently-powered Danish RCT conducted last year which found no benefit for mask users.

            ‘(1)Xu et al, reference 60, doi:10.2196/21372, is an analysis of self-reported results via online Internet survey – conducted via WeChat. Participants recruited by seeding the survey to students and staff at a medical college, and a CDC – along with whomever the study team could recruit. The authors are explicit this was not a random sample..

            (2) Krishnamachari et al, doi:10.1016/j.ajic.2021.02.002, ref 43, an observational study rated at “serious or critical” risk of bias. Yet this was also weighted more in the meta-analysis than the one RCT of Bundgaard, et al (Danish study).’

        2. U N M U T U A L

          …this science hasn’t changed.

          “Top German scientists have found that wearing certain types of face masks for long periods of time could result in potentially hazardous chemicals and harmful microplastics being inhaled deep into human lungs.

          Professor Michael Braungart, director at the Hamburg Environmental Institute and co-founder of the world-renowned Cradle to Cradle environmental standard has told Ecotextile News that mask wearers unwittingly run the risk of breathing in carcinogens, allergens and tiny synthetic microfibres by wearing both textile and nonwoven surgical masks for long periods of time.

          His recent findings have been backed up by another leading industry textile chemist Dr. Dieter Sedlak, managing director and co-founder of Modern Testing Services Augsburg, Germany in partnership with Modern Testing Services Global, Hong Kong who found elevated concentrations of hazardous fluorocarbons, formaldehyde and other potentially carcinogenic substances on surgical face masks: “I can only say 100 per cent that I have similar concerns to Prof. Braungart.”

          https://www.ecotextile.com/2021040127603/dyes-chemicals-news/exclusive-chemical-cocktail-found-in-face-masks.html

      1. Kali

        The government were about to introduce masks last year for cyclists and joggers outdoors based on peoples feelings, this is more of the same. Very little to do with following science and more to do with sentiment analysis. They are hoping this will appease the public as they don’t want to close down parts of the service industry as it generates revenue and provides jobs.

        No lives will be saved by this, but children and their families will be negatively affected.

      2. K. Cavan

        Cian, it matters not how many times you repeat lies, they actually don’t become the truth. If you ever find yourself doing open heart surgery, by all means, wear a mask but any mask that allows the wearer to breathe without difficulty will be far too loosely woven to prevent a virion from passing through, in either direction.
        High quality t-shirt cotton has holes in the weave that will allow 600 virions to pass easily through, side by side. Virions are so microscopic that they have never been seen by the human eye, even with the most powerful microscopes. I know such facts are hard to grasp but they remain facts.
        All the scientific investigation into mask usage, as well as into Social Distancing & Isolation has clearly & unequivocally denied their efficacy.

        1. Cian

          Haha. I’m not the one lying.

          Yes each virus is very very small… but they don’t float out of your mouth as billions of separate individual pieces of virus; they will be attached to/embedded within bits of vapour/spit. And it is this vapour (much much bigger than an individual virus) that may be trapped by the mask.

          Masks aren’t perfect, they don’t stop all transmission, but they reduce it.

          As for your “All the scientific investigation into mask usage, as well as into Social Distancing & Isolation has clearly & unequivocally denied their efficacy.” that is just wrong. Of course isolating stops you getting infected.

      3. TheFastnet

        Can you show a study that PROVES your statement, or should we just believe you blindly, like good sheeple?

    2. Jon Smoke

      Masks do stop virus transmission and there are numerous studies that prove this if you could be bothered to look.

      Some examples:

      “An international report published in The Lancet, which analysed data from 172 studies in 16 countries, found that by wearing a face mask there is just a 3% chance of catching COVID-19.”

      https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32525850/

      https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32525850/

      https://gh.bmj.com/content/5/5/e002794

      https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6928e2.htm

      1. SOQ

        And as above- there is over 50 studies that prove that they don’t. Besides, any (questionable) benefits should be measured against the risks, like any half decent business manager would do.

        In the case of young children there is no benefits because they rarely if ever develop serious CoVid-19. As for the risks- how many child phycologists who have studied the subject were asked for their opinions?

          1. K. Cavan

            So, Nigel, again, even your attempt at a comparative example uses unscientific thinking. The masks a spray painter uses are thousands of times more efficient than a surgeon’s mask. The former would work but they’re asking kids to wear the latter.
            Next!

      2. Cui Bono?

        Here’s 12 studies published by some of the most respected medical journals that show masks don’t work – https://swprs.org/face-masks-evidence/

        There’s also a lot more in there too and remember the website is simply sharing the scientific studies and data. If you have an issue then please do try debunk the scientific studies, not a website sharing them.

        1. SOQ

          It is how the propaganda has worked from day one- if there was a scientific basis for wearing of masks then you would have seen an impact on infection rates every time they were introduced- but there is not.

          1. Nigel

            In your nightmares. Imagine if masks actually work and all the time and energy and digital ink you’ve spilled propagandising against them.

          2. Cui Bono?

            I’ve only shared the scientific studies Nigel and spoken about what they show. It has nothing to do with me. I was not involved in making them.

            The propaganda parroting comes from you and the studies you shared were not very good as f_lawless showed above. You probably haven’t even read them.

      3. K. Cavan

        Jon, do you not question a “report” that claims that masks “reduce the chances of catching Covid to 3%”. 3% of what, exactly? What is the 100%? That’s a complete scientific non sequitar, it’s clearly nonsensical garbage, even if it is only a “report”.

  2. Optimus Grime

    I’m pro-vaccination for adults and teens and support masks in the main but how the primary schools have been handled is atrocious! Windows now open in the middle of winter – my daughter has a bit of croup from the constant cold air and now has to stay home. The government spent days debating the mask mandate for kids and gave schools hours to enforce it.

  3. Broadbag

    When her opening gambit is “I think it’s a form of child abuse” you can tell she’ll bring a lot of balance and nuance to the issue.

          1. Cui Bono?

            So who was the target?

            Do you think he wanted them to “look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety, and uncertainty” amongst themselves? to increase the ISAG members anxiety?

          2. Cian

            This was from a list of Saul Alinsky’s “rules for activists”. There wasn’t a specific target. It is a debating tool – push people out of their comfort zone.

            The item in question (one of 13) says:
            3. “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty.

            @SOQ, funny thing is you constantly resort to Sauls #5: “5. Ridicule is a man’s most potent weapon. “There is no defence. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating.

          3. Nigel

            Does Alinsky have a rule that covers ‘accusing people who disagree with you of being paid to do so?’

          4. SOQ

            Spin it how you will- the goal was to frighten people to force them to comply. That sort of behaviour has no place in a democratic society.

          5. Broadbag

            @SOQ stating ”the goal was to frighten people to force them to comply. That sort of behaviour has no place in a democratic society.” is fair enough, any chance that the anti-maskers might get on board with that principle rather than have us believe a child wearing a mask is ”a form of child abuse”, they’re ”being asphyxiated”, there will be long term psychological impacts, ”causes brain damage” etc…which is completely unfounded, hysterical rhetoric – any chance?

          6. Nigel

            ‘the goal was to frighten people’

            At no point was a ‘goal’ mentioned other than to learn a few agitprop techniques. The goal could just as easily been so as to know them when encountered in other situations. You can’t possibly be telling us that you and Chris and Hmmmm and K Cavan and Micko and Bono and Bodger aren’t all “looking for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety, and uncertainty. ”

          7. SOQ

            Forcing a child wearing a mask IS a form of child abuse- what else could it be?

            It is disgusting and it is wrong.

          8. GiggidyGoo

            ‘Wear your mask or else we won’t let you into school’ We’ll force you to Stand Down’
            That sounds like forcing someone to do something.

            You’re not on good form this evening Nigel.

          9. Nigel

            The same way they force the kids to wear uniforms, the monsters.

            (‘If wearing the mask bothers you, you can stay home.’
            ‘It’s fine.’)

      1. Nigel

        Honestly, you’re pretty far gone, or you’re stretching like a yoga master, if you claim to think that twitter feed has any equivalence to ‘masks are a form of child abuse.’

        1. hmmm

          Delusional is the Babylon Bee man who takes his public health advice from the same people who claim a €9 dinner will protect against a virus.

          1. Nigel

            So glad you’ve come up with a new catchphrase for replying to me to show that without one you have literally nothing else to say.

          2. Micko

            Nigel reminds me of Comical Ali from the Iraq war.

            There he is, on the telly telling everyone that everything is ok and there are “no American’s here.”

            And in the background there are US lads rappelling off blackhawk choppers and coming over the hills in tanks, blowing the bejesus out of everything. ;-)

            The government can do what ever they want to Nigel and he’ll bend over and ask for more and tell everyone it’s for public health.

            Clown

            https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EyRrNTIU8AAdQYD.jpg

          1. Nigel

            ‘Many people feel better in a few days or weeks and most will make a full recovery within 12 weeks. But for some people, symptoms can last longer.
            The chances of having long-term symptoms does not seem to be linked to how ill you are when you first get COVID-19.
            People who had mild symptoms at first can still have long-term problems.’

            ‘No, no, that is not the sound of long-term covid being potentially serious and lasting more than 12 weeks shelling Baghdad, that is all the people who got better after five weeks and minor issues clapping their hands.’

          2. Cian

            Yes, it is self reporting.

            4 weeks or more. This wasn’t that someone had symptoms for 29 days and then they got better. This is people that were still experiencing symptoms on 31st October which had been with them since at least the start of October.

            Of people with self-reported long COVID, 232,000 (19%) first had (or suspected they had) COVID-19 less than 12 weeks previously; 862,000 people (71%) first had (or suspected they had) COVID-19 at least 12 weeks previously, and 439,000 (36%) first had (or suspected they had) COVID-19 at least one year previously.

            Fatigue continued to be the most common symptom reported as part of individuals’ experience of long COVID (54% of those with self-reported long COVID), followed by shortness of breath (36%), loss of smell (35%), and difficulty concentrating (28%).

            https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/prevalenceofongoingsymptomsfollowingcoronaviruscovid19infectionintheuk/2december2021

      1. bisted

        …deffo Nick…more and more impressed with the Greta generation as the time passes…if we have a future, at least, it’s in good hands…

  4. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

    We have tonight been inundated with messages and emails from many distraught parents as a result of the Government’s acceptance today of NPHET recommendation regarding face coverings in primary schools for children of 9 years and above.

    ACT NOW! MAKE YOUR VOICES HEARD!

    Below is a letter you can send to the principal and board of management of your child’s school voicing your objection.

    School Principal

    Dear xxx

    Urgent – NPHET’s Face Mask Recommendation

    (Insert Child/ren’s name, date of birth and school)

    I write further to the guidelines issued to Schools on 30th November entitled ‘Face coverings in Primary Schools’. I confirm that I have also sent a copy of this letter to the Board of Management and to the Minister for Education.

    At the outset I wish to state that as parent and lawful guardian, I do not consent to my child/ren being required to wear a face covering in the classroom or at any time during school hours. No Risk Assessment has been published to date on the necessity and proportionality of this measure, nor has any consultation process taken place on a national basis with parents/teachers and children.

    It is most concerning that NPHET made the recommendation to reduce the minimum age requirement to 9 years and above without firstly instructing HIQA’s Expert Advisory Group (EAG) to conduct an updated review. I trust that you will be aware that HIQA’s EAG published Advice to NPHET on the reduction of the minimum age for the application of mask wearing on 4th March, 14th April and 20th September 2021. On each occasion HIQA’s EAG did not recommend a reduction to the minimum age requirement for wearing face masks. In the last Advice dated 20th September, the EAG clearly stated that:

    ‘The potential benefits of a requirement or recommendation for children to wear face masks must outweigh concerns regarding potential harms associated with face mask use’.

    The Covid-19 Evidence Synthesis team within the Health Technology Assessment (HTA) Directorate that HIQA conducts evidence synthesis to inform national strategic decision making at the request of NPHET to ensure access to the best available evidence relevant to COVID-19 to inform decision-making. It is noteworthy that the membership of NPHET does not appear to include any paediatricians or other specialists on the safety, health and wellbeing of children. HIQA’s Expert Advisory Group, on the other hand, has several such professionals, including two Consultant Paediatricians. It is also extremely concerning that NPHET consists of only 8 members, as opposed to 37 members of HIQA, and it is questionable that a small number of NPHET members are permitted to make a recommendation in such a manner.

    Any public health measures implemented in Schools must be in a child’s best interests. I wish to remind the School Principal and Board Of Management that you have a duty of care towards children and to operate under the auspices of the Department of Education, which is a statutory body with statutory functions in accordance with the Ministers and Secretaries Act 1924. The Department of Education is under a statutory duty to demonstrate that any administrative policies impacting children are objectively justified, rational and fair.

    The School must also, therefore, ensure that any administrative policies implemented do not contravene underpinning legislation as enshrined in Article 3 (1) of the United Nations Convention on the Rights of a Child (Resolution 44/25 of 20 November 1989) of which Ireland is a signatory.

    Article 3(1) states:

    ‘In all actions concerning children, whether undertaken by public or private social welfare institutions, courts of law, administrative authorities or legislative bodies, the best interests of the child shall be a primary consideration’

    In the absence of an updated Review by HIQA’s EAG and a Risk Assessment on the potential social, pedagogical, educational, emotional, psychological, and physical harm of such a face mask requirement, it has not been demonstrated that this policy is in my child(ren)’s best interests.

    Further, I refer to Page 17 of HIQA’s Advice of 14th April 2021 that states:

    ‘It was recognised that there is a lack of national data on parents’ and children’s attitudes and concerns regarding school mitigation measures. It was agreed that such data should be collected and considered when developing policy”.

    No such consultation took place with parents as stakeholders in their child(ren)’s education.

    As a parent and legal guardian, the welfare of my child(ren) is paramount. Irrespective of the guidelines which state that this is a temporary measure until February 2022, it is fundamental that the School acts in the best interests of children at all times. This positive obligation cannot be derogated in times of declared emergencies nor abrogated on a temporary basis. The United Nations Policy Brief ‘The Impact of Covid-19 on children’ published on 15 April 2020 at Page 1 is a stark warning of the potential damage that can be caused to children by public health mitigation measures implemented by national countries that are not necessary and proportionate considering the balance of harm test:

    ‘Children are not the face of this pandemic. But they risk being among its biggest victims. While they have thankfully been largely spared from the direct health effects of COVID-19 – at least to date – the crisis is having a profound effect on their wellbeing. All children, of all ages, and in all countries, are being affected, in particular by the socio-economic impacts and, in some cases, by mitigation measures that may inadvertently do more harm than good. This is a universal crisis, and, for some children, the impact will be lifelong.’

    I trust that you will be aware that my child(ren) cannot be denied an education under Article 28 of the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child and Article 42.4 of the Constitution.

    You might further note that I have stated my child’s position regarding mask wearing in this letter. You should note the position and that he/she is not to be asked questions as to why or why not a mask is being worn. As legal guardian I speak for my child and, in his/her best interests, I will not have the child questioned or confronted about mask wearing protocols. Any issues arising should be addressed exclusively to me.

    I await your confirmation as a matter of urgency that this policy will not be implemented and that my refusal of consent in respect of my child(ren) being compelled to wear a face covering has been formally noted. Please also note that I intend to hold you fully liable for any loss suffered by my child in the event that you do not act appropriately, lawfully and in the interest of my child(ren) in this regard.

    Yours sincerely

    ___________

    You might want to add in the email, (or email separately referring to your letter) that the issue of mask wearing is not to be discussed with child, in his/her best interests and in order to protect her psychological and mental well-being which the school has a duty to protect, the position being set out fully in the attached letter – if you are emailing the above letter to the school.
    The pressure placed on little ones can be immense as we know.

    1. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

      this is one response,
      if the government want to be obeyed maybe they shouldn’t skip vital dialogue or change their minds to suit the color of their ties each week.

      1. SOQ

        Don’t be silly Janet- you are just a far right cispiraloon according to Daisy et all.

        It IS child abuse- there is no other words for it. Blatant coercion of children to take vaccines they have absolutely no need for.

        1. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

          Was it the shiney boots and tash that gave me away ?
          I’m telling you right now when the boys were ten exactly how long that mask would have stayed on/ clean for … about five minutes before touched, nose picked, swapped with a friend, wore as a hat, have these people never met children ? Most adults can’t seem to manage CORRECT use, and isn’t incorrect use much more filthy and likely to do more harm than good ?

      2. Broadbag

        Where did you source that from Janet?

        It has a bang of ”I’m a freeman of the land” about it, and although it raises some very salient points it also creaks under the weight of it’s own self-righteousness, quoting UN conventions and such.

        1. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

          When I was about nine I was in contact with someone very very sick, they had their own towel and plate and we’re quarantined to their room, I developed a sévère phobia carrying around a bottle of detox and rinsing my hands in it after touching anything until my hands were just red itchy lumps, that lasted until that person got better which was months. To this day I’m a bit of a clean freak, the bathroom gets done every day new born or not and some other less constructive OCD’s that get more pronounced when I’m anxious/ can’t run them off. If that can happen to me what is happening to many many more children during this pandemic and how much more frightening when they are masked rather uselessly from their friends ?

          1. Rob_G

            Do you really think that an entire nation should base their public health policy on one child being a bit hysterical 30 or so years ago?

          2. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

            cheeky, I’m only 42 and despite Rob loving to call me hysterical ( he has form ) I’m actually pretty stoic.
            Kids react in different ways to being told someone is dying in the box room and that if you go in there or touch anything you could die too or give it to your little sister, hysterical not really, disturbed definitely.
            Kids depending on their parents and RTE have been getting similar messages for two years now, it’s going to have an effect, does adding masks to the mix, used mostly incorrectly help that?

    2. Micko

      Speaking to the Principal in my Child’s school this morn, she is absolutely furious over this new mandate.

      As are apparently the majority of Principals in the Northside / Fingal area. They have a Principal WhatsApp group. Northsoide unite! ;-)

      While a letter like that would probably be needed for a zealot(y) principal, a word with your own Child’s principal would probably go a lot further.

      Thankfully my Child is 7, so it doesn’t effect her. But I don’t think it’s going to stop there.

      1. johnnny

        ..genuine question,can you just stroll into your child’s school ( maskless/vax no vax ?) and wander up to or confront the principle and gossip ?

          1. johnnny

            …and all the parents,maskless /vax no vax ?
            or are you special ,she takes time in her morning,for a quick natter or gossip just with you about a policy that does not affect you or your child..oh.

            “Speaking to the Principal in my Child’s school this morn”

            i can fix it if you like-outside the school gates gossiping with some oul ….

          2. Micko

            I don’t know the other parents vaccine status as they don’t wear it on their arms (maybe sad saps in New York do) and some parents wear masks and other don’t. Although definitely not at the rate they used to anyway.

            The teachers and the principal at the gate wear masks, yes. Outside.

            I don’t consider policies that effect my child’s school and potentially may effect her in the future as “gossiping”. So yes I had a quick chat to gauge the principal feelings on it.

            But thinks for asking again Johnny. You truly are a rational and sane breath of fresh air on BS and your questions and replies always make sense.

          3. johnny

            a quick chat ?

            “Speaking to the Principal in my Child’s school this morn, she is absolutely furious over this new mandate.”

            outside the school gates
            she’s masked
            working and i assume very busy
            socially distanced
            greeting children
            but somehow

            FURIOUS

            MAJORITY PRINCIPALS

            – all gleamed this morning from that quick chat

            -As are apparently the majority of Principals in the Northside / Fingal area.-

            hold on there is more…wait for it ….a PRINCIPAL whats app group -yep :)

            “They have a Principal WhatsApp group”…ah stop Micko

            ah then best if parents have a WORD?

            are you really advising people who disagree with the health guidelines go around confronting principals to have a word?

            “…a word with your own Child’s principal would probably go a lot further.”

            wow cool story,bro.

          4. Micko

            Never assume Johnny.

            She’s actually a very chilled out lady who likes to greet the kids every morn.

            I’m very sorry that you feel the need to blow holes in another persons anecdotal tale.

            But while I have you please give me with another story of New York and or Marijuana or how you is a “big mover and shaker in de daddy’s buizinezz”

          5. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

            I enjoy the stories about the 3km “runs” while high or
            scumbags
            pram pushers
            white trash
            plastic paddies
            loosers who have never even done cocaine

          6. johnnny

            in your own words.

            “She’s actually a very chilled out lady who likes to greet the kids every morn.”

            …earlier she was FURIOUS sharing tall tales with ya,about the MAJORITY of other principals also FURIOUS over this new mandate…and a Principal WhatsApp group…

            WTF are you smoking there yourself,the Walter Mitty ?

          7. Micko

            Oh Little Johnny. She SAID she was furious about the mandate.

            Ye see grown ups use their words to communicate their thoughts and feelings to each other.

            You’re really struggling here aren’t you. You may want to sit down for a bit.

            You see, just because she was “furious” (her word not mine) about the new mandate, doesn’t mean she was shouting at me, nor does it mean she was rampaging around the school gates, wildly knocking over traffic cones and picking up children to eat them like some kind af Godzilla / school principal chimera hybrid type thingy…

            Now back off to your own personal drug fuelled fantasy island, where I’m sure you could have me “whacked” by one of your Father’s “associates”

            “Look boss, de plane! de plane!!”

          8. johnnny

            in your own words…

            “She SAID she was furious about the mandate.”

            she also said….

            -the other principals are ‘absolutely furious’ -she is your source here too ?

            “Speaking to the Principal in my Child’s school this morn, she is absolutely furious over this new mandate.

            As are apparently the majority of Principals in the Northside / Fingal area. They have a Principal WhatsApp group.”

            is she also your source for this-“They have a Principal WhatsApp group.”

            quite the exchange with a masked school principal socially distancing welcoming children first thing….yeah Micko…sure..yeah…course it happened…yeah…..

          9. Micko

            EXT A dingy alley In New York – Night
            A buzzing neon light with the name ‘JOHNNY’S JOINT’ flashes on and off.
            INT: The back room in a New York diner, dimly lit with a spotlight for an interrogation.

            A weepy skinny weasely looking man stands over another man who is tied to a chair. He is clearly on drugs and keep shouting repeatedly to the man in the chair. A spotlight is shining into the face of the mysterious man in the chair. The weezing drug inebriated interrogator hits the dashingly handsome stranger in the face.

            ———————————-

            RELEASE THE TRANSCRIPTS MICKO!!!!!

            WHAT DID THE PRINCIPAL SAY MICKO?

            He beats the handsome stranger.

            ———————————–

            Ok ok Johnny… I give up… not the face… anything but the face…

            I…I… made the whole thing up…sniff…

            There was no principal… I just wanted to look cool in front of the BS posse.

            Are you happy now? – ARE YOU? (shouts through sobbing eyes)

            You’ve broken me… you’ve finally broken me…

            THE LIGHT DIMS

            (End Scene)
            .
            .
            .
            *I’d like to thank the academy and my family, my agent and of course the director, without him none of this…”

    3. Nigel

      If it works, schools stay open and as the current wave recedes the masks come off. If it doesn’t schools could end up closing. I think most parents want basic covid precautions observed properly, and if they’re mad it’s beacause the government’s approach has been so slapdash. Otherwise most kids would not, in fact, be wearing their masks in school.

      1. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

        the governments approach makes a bowl of spaghetti look structured and well thought out

      2. Micko

        “If it works, schools stay open and as the current wave recedes the masks come off”

        Nonsense.

        Nov 1st 2021 – Cases of Covid

        5-12 yrs – 4888
        13-18 yrs – 1616

        Dec 1st 2021 – Cases of Covid

        5-12 yrs – 12302
        13-18 yrs – 3565

        Both groups have seen about a 2.5 fold increase. Yet the teenagers were ALREADY wearing masks!

        They will never come off

        1. Cian

          5-12 yrs – 4,888
          13-18 yrs – 1,616
          […]
          5-12 yrs – 12,302 [1,537 per ‘year’]
          13-18 yrs – 3,565 [595 per ‘year’]

          Did you notice that there are two and a half times fewer cases in the older age group. The group that is wearing masks. Interesting.

          1. Micko

            So why no masks before now for young kids if the numbers have been so high?

            Younger kids act differently – hence the bigger numbers.

            There shouldn’t be the same growth in different groups if the masks were making a difference.

            Spin as usual Cian

          2. Cian

            There shouldn’t be the same growth in different groups if the masks were making a difference.
            explain this to me.

            If masks are, say, 33% efficient (they reduce the likelihood of infection by a factor of 3). If there is low levels of covid in general, there will be 1/3 less in the masked; if there is high levels of covid in general, there will be 1/3 less in the masked.

            Masks don’t somehow work harder is there are more infected people.

  5. freewheeling

    This may be the issue that finally breaks NPHET’s spell on the nation.

    Never underestimate an irate Irish mother.

      1. Nigel

        I don’t think your presumption that Irish Mammys are mad at kids wearing masks at school rather than at the government ignoring the spread of covid in schools for months, threatening families with, at worse, death and serious illness, at best extreme invonvenience at having to isolate, and the same threat to teachers leading to the possible closure of all schools and now their flailing attempts to do something about it is a safe one.

        1. Chris

          Go away with your zero Covid fanaticism. It’s endemic, stopping the spread or any other measures are a farce to elicit control.

          1. Chris

            IFR is the same as the flu, which makes sense when you consider PCR tests can’t diferenciate between the two. It was no pandemic.

            Corporate capture of every citizen is the goal. Mindless cattle acquiesce, jabs every three months. Pitiful stuff really.

          2. benblack

            Tucker Carlson is the host, Nigel, and he says very little in this interview – justs listens attentively to a remarkable and brave man.

            But you knew that – and you probably think you’re an open-minded person, too.

          3. Nigel

            Just watching Fox News is hit enough, (in my defence it’s not just Fox, almost all television news is unwatchable, especially US televison news, utterly degraded and horrible, but Fox is evil) and appeals to open mindedness have little value these days since it became a rote part of any introduction to a conspiracy theory. Lies and disinformation love open minds.

        2. Chris

          I watched it Ben. Good stuff, Robert Kennedy is an astute and well researched man, that is an honorable voice against the lies and machinations of regulatory capture.

          1. Josh

            AHHHHHHH JAAAAAAYYYYYYSUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSS LAAAAAAADS
            Tucker fuppin Carlson, TUCKER FUPPIN CARLSON.
            Even the bodgadoodledoo has the sense/shame not to be posting that lad on here. If your powers of deduction are that far warped, you havnt a chance in life.
            He is the epitome of the new age grifter, I can understand some americans falling for that ish (just about) as they have been bombarded since birth, You have no excuses! Look at his face, he is internally laughing his rich arse off at all of his viewers, knows exactly what he is doing with his baiting and riling and let it be known he was one of the first to get the vaccine (of course he wont reveal that publicly) SERIOUSLY FUPPING HELL!
            Most of this lunatic ish I can get a laugh out of but that man, as is in Bodgwobs own words PURE EVIL! Absolute suckers!!! Get a grip of yourselves! You are genuinely scaring me about the future of Ireland now.

          2. benblack

            What a foolish comment from Josh.

            Tucker Carlson is the host, Josh.

            Robert Kennedy Jr. is the interviewee and, as I said in a previous post, Tucker Carlson says very little during this interview – he just listens attentively.

            Do you understand the difference?

  6. GiggidyGoo

    “stand down”?
    Gob…..tes.
    Children don’t go to school armed

    BTW
    “The guidelines are not statutory “

  7. U N M U T U A L

    …the reason for the mask,
    is to upsell the jab as a route out of the masks…

    Your caught in a gov/pharma feedback loop…

    …mask ➡️jab➡️green pass➡️varient➡️lockdown ⤵️

    ⬆️repeat as necessary

  8. K. Cavan

    Whatever about the chances of masks preventing transmission in adults, which lie somewhere between slim & none, their chances of doing that for children are certainly not enough to justify the other physical & psychological damage that will result. This is especially so, given the number of Under-17s that have succumbed to Covid.
    Which is zero, of course.
    I’ll repeat that for the visually impared, ZERO.
    I reckon anyone who has a child & is prepared to subject them to this torture & abuse is a nascent fascist, not to mention an unfit & abusive parent. If you’re childless, you have no skin in this game, so you should probably butt out, you can’t possibly understand what’s at stake.

  9. K. Cavan

    Of course none of this makes a shred of difference to the progress or otherwise of Covid, it’s just another goalpost-moving operation, designed to spread fear & confusion because confused, fearful people are easier to manipulate.
    Here we are in early December, well into both Flu Season & Coronavirus season, which preceeds the latter by a few weeks every year & 4% of our hospital beds are occupied by Covid victims, Flu victims classified as Covid due to fake tests & people who are in hospital for other illnesses being classified as Covid victims due to false positives generated by the fake tests.
    The Pandemic is over, Sars02 has become Endemic, like every other extant Coronavirus in history & the main danger the population now faces from this farce is death at the hands of the “Boosters til You Die” psychopaths.
    The game’s up, time for the trials to begin, soon as we all vote to bring back the death penalty for Crimes Against Humanity, of course.
    The clock is ticking, Varadker looks the likliest to make a run for the fence, his medical knowledge has exposed him to the greatest moral hazard & thus the most serious charges, when TSHTF.
    Run, Leo, while you still have the chance, Klaus Schwab ain’t coming to rescue you!

  10. f_lawless

    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/masks-for-primary-school-chilren-1.4744152

    The headmaster of Castle Park primary school, Dalkey, is taking a strong stand: We need more like him to show leadership and do the same


    “A chara, – As an educationalist, I have deep concerns about the safe and effective use of masks for young children.

    They pose a negative impact on children’s social and emotional development and interfere with the actual process of teaching and learning.

    In particular, they will have an adverse impact on children who have speech and language difficulties or for other reasons would find mask wearing a stressful occurrence.

    To be clear, in Castle Park School in Dalkey any child over the age of nine who wishes to wear a mask is welcome to do so, but it is not a requirement due to the lack of evidence, guidance or metrics that will steer its discontinuation. – Le meas,

    STEPHEN McKERNAN,

    Headmaster,
    Castle Park School,
    Dalkey, Co Dublin.”

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